Obama wants record $708 bil for military next year

Yeah, Obama, you go! You show those right wing fanatics that you can be just as tough as them. You make sure that they don't perceive you as weak. Can't have a soft president. And whtever you do, make sure your increased military speanding takes away money from other irrelevant things which it could go towards, say, healthcare, education, etc....Why is there not another revolution in the U.S.?

USNinJapan2 -

First, let's remember the fact the I've backed up my arguments where some of the neo-cons on this site accused me of not doing so.

Next, let's consider that simply calling your opponents' links "fluff" and "trash" is NOT a counterargument; rather, it's a desperate attempt to look relevant after having no defense of your own argument.

Last, let me actually comment on the results of the Military Times poll you linked for me. You sent me two pages of pie-chart; you did NOT send me any articles explaining how the poll was taken. For that, I turn to an article that Sarge tried (and failed) to defeat my argument with quite a while ago - you must've missed it. Let me go over it again for you:

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/10/military_poll_100508w/

(NOTE: Simply cutting and pasting the above link won't work for some reason; you have to Google "military times obama vs. mccain". You'll find a working version of the link about sixth from the top of the list.)

From the article:

Sen. John McCain enjoys overwhelming support from the military’s professional core, a Military Times survey of nearly 4,300 readers, indicates, though career-oriented black service members strongly favored the Democratic Party candidate.

McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times.

The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services. McCain’s majority wanes among women and disappears altogether among black respondents.

4,293 people, huh? Last time I checked, the US military was rather larger than that. So, you've taken one poll, on which someone has slapped the name "Military Times", and you hold that as absolute proof for your argument? I don't think so. You didn't even bother to check the rest of the article before you threw this poll in my face (like Sarge did), did you? Well, you should have. You would have learned that this one poll does not represent a large enough segment of the military to be considered all-encompassing.

USN, you made a point earlier about how your workplace is manned by people who tend to lean more to the right, whereas mine is manned by more left-leaning voters. Maybe this explains the disparity between your observations and mine. To that end, when you work on a base the size of Ramstein and you see overwhelming support for Obama, pre- and post-election, you tend to believe the obvious - the vast majority of the US military supports President Obama.

Until you're prepared to offer me a poll that takes into account the US military population as a whole, I see no reason to back down from my argument. There are just too many people around me daily who prove my argument right.

USAFdude

That's your answer to the link I gave you of an actual Military Times poll of active duty service members just prior to the last presidential election which provides hard numbers, percentages, and even demographics of who was supporting which candidate? If that's the best you've got that's pretty darn sad. That trash you cited was just fluff. The ABC article is even laughable. It's written as if the author was surprised to find even a small number of deployed troops supporting Obama. Why don't you actually comment on the results of the Military Times poll I linked for you instead of throwing up a lot of meaningless chaff that doesn't actually provide concrete contrary evidence?

The Pentagon projects that overall defense spending would be $616 billion in 2012; $632 billion in 2013; $648 billion in 2014; and $666 billion in 2015.

I wonder where do most of these money go. Dispatching soldiers, ammunitions, weapons, Air Forces, fleets, food/medical supplies, intelligence sources, communication gadgets, and what else?

He was for our defeat in Iraq.

You can't lose if you don't play.

Sarge continues to believe that everything is rosy in Iraq; it provably is not - do your research. Otherwise, we would have come home in victory by now.

The links I've provided above prove that the US military and President Obama mutually support each other - no need for me to provide more.

To the moderator, all I can say is "Wow".

"he was rightfully against the surge in Iraq"

USAFdude has admitted he was against the successful surge in Iraq which has enabled us to defeat our adversaries. And he continues to serve in the U.S. Air Force - incredible!

"President of the United States Barack Hussein Obama continues to enjoy overwhelming support from members of the US military"

Got a link for that? This should be good...

Obama was for our pullout of Iraq because staying there no longer served a viable purpose. Iraq has not been liberated; it has been rendered chaotic. For these reasons, he was rightfully against the surge in Iraq and rightfully for the surge in Afghanistan. Yet again, one of the reasons President of the United States of America Barack Hussein Obama continues to enjoy overwhelming support from members of the US military.

Why are your posts always so full of off-topic vitriol, hatred, defeatable arguments (see above) and bold-faced lies? Do you really think the rest of us don't notice?

"I'm sure you wish that were true"

It is true.

"just like you wish you could truthfully say Obama doesn't support the military"

He was for our defeat in Iraq. He would have voted against the liberation of Iraq if he'd been a U.S. senator but at the time he was still just an Illinois state senator. And after he became a U.S. senator, he was against the surge, which worked.

Sarge -

Helter - I believe USAFdude's 8:50 AM post shows he is losing it.

I'm sure you wish that were true, just like you wish you could truthfully say Obama doesn't support the military (and vice-versa), but once again, the facts prove differently.

"moderate Democrats"

We always hear about "moderate Democrats" but we never hear about "moderate Republicans." What exactly is a "moderate Democrat" anyway? A Democrat that is not a radical leftist?

Helter - I believe USAFdude's 8:50 AM post shows he is losing it.

Helter_Skelter - Docweasel?! And you criticize MY sources? Wow, I realize I have you on the ropes, but damn, I had no idea you were THIS scared! ROTFLMAO!

No reason for me to take your assessment of the quality of my links seriously.

docweasel. LOL!

No reason for me to take your assessment of the quality of my links seriously. No reason to consider myself embarrassed. No reason for me to back down from the argument. I stand by the facts as I have presented them to you; sorry if none of you are man enough to admit I'm right, but then, it's not like I require your validation.

Keep going gang; this is easy-as-pie for me!

Um, dude, did you, like, see all the other links I posted?

Went through them all. Proof that quantity does not equal quality. You're not fooling anyone by listing a bunch of links that are at best anecdotal, and at worst simply blogs. Nice try but no one bought it. Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough already?

USAFdude's answers.yahoo.com link claims McCain is a nutcase. Heck, even Obama doesn't claim that.

"Sorry if the facts bother you"

Your "facts" are a joke.

Here's a real fact: Obama's latest approval rating is down to 47%. Unless you don't believe Rasmussen.

Helter - Um, dude, did you, like, see all the other links I posted? Give it a try.

Sorry if the facts bother you, but I stand by them. Any more takers?

USAFdude uses Yahoo Answers as a source. LOL! Dude, best just cut your losses and find another thread.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080905203215AAQEFK3

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2008/02/military-hates-obama-oh-really

http://docweasel.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/abc-66-of-the-military-personnel-in-iraq-support-obama-33-hillary-0-mccain-supporters-found/

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Story?id=4244798&page=2

http://washingtonindependent.com/11381/petraeus

Too easy!

But, USNinJapan, I appreciate your effort - far more than Sarge ever did, despite his claims.

SuperLib - I could be a jerk about this, but I think I've humiliated you enough.

hehe uh, guys....you don't get it. USAFdude knows his claim is false. He says it because he likes the way it sounds. Just something to remember if he ever "demands" proof for any claims you might make. :)

WayneRooney10

Thanks. Go Reds!

USNJapan. Back of the net, mate. Put in his place.

USAFdude

In general the USAF tends to be more liberal than the other three branches. I'm not surprised that you could be surrounded by more liberal coworkers on the average in relation to me, but when taking the military as a whole we uniformed service members tend to be conservative, not liberal. I'm sure more of us voted Democratic than in past years, but you're dreaming if you honestly believe that the majority of us voted Democratic/Obama in November 08. The poll below was taken barely a month before the election and it clearly shows it. I'm pretty certain these numbers didn't change significantly leading up to election day.

http://militarytimes.com/static/projects/pages/081003_ep_2pp.pdf

Super - I've already given military-related links on previous threads showing a clear majority of military support for McCain over Obama, while the USAF dude never came up with any evidence to the contrary.

USAFdude: Please show us where

Well considering that you're the man who tells us that the military overwhelmingly voted for Obama yet refuses to show any statistics, I'm not sure you're really the best person to demand evidence from others. Perhaps Sarge should just smile and walk through the paint as you do. :)

I can think of few thinks more abhorrent to liberals than increases in military spending.

Well, those of us who serve in the US military don't find it so abhorrent. Obama's support of the troops is one of the reasons we helped elect him. But hey, you already knew that.

Too funny listening to libs like USAFdude and adaydream trying to rationalize what must be a kick in the gut from their hero Obama. I can think of few thinks more abhorrent to liberals than increases in military spending.

Absolutely anybody, who has any amount of functioning brain power, who thought that Obama would cut military spending with two ongoing wars wasn't really thinking. < :-)

Sarge - that last statement of yours is probably the most laughable you've ever written. Obviously, you understand nothing about the liberal mindset, so please don't presume to know what I believe. Once again, predictably, I've painted you into a corner. Now, go back, regroup, and try again, only this time, put at least a modicum of effort into your "argument".

Dude, you may have never said on this site that you thought Obama would cut military spending, but as a liberal, you must have. Unless, of course, you adnit you are in the tiny minority of liberals who actually thought he would increase military spending! LOL!

Sarge - Another swing and a miss from you! Please show us where I ever said Obama would cut military spending... Nah, of course you can't. Sorry Sarge, you can't lie you way out of this one! LOL!

"The main fact is that right-wingers swore Obama would cut military spending and now those same right-wingers are tasting shoe leather"

The main fact is that left-wingers swore Obama would cut military spending and now those same left-wingers are in utter disbelief, or in USAFdude's case, in denial.

Heh, the Nobel Peace Prize committee must be having some serious buyers' remorse right now.

expect more taxes (health care etc) to pay for this and future wars. The fiat money is worthless = this is about control of the populace and Obama is making the Federal Reserve owners very happy.

HelterSkelter and USNinJapan - LOL! Believe what you wish; why would I need to "spin" anything when I have the facts so overwhelmingly on my side?

The main fact is that right-wingers swore Obama would cut military spending and now those same right-wingers are tasting shoe leather. But, what else is new?

Guess they can fund the war from the interest they are getting from all the bail out loans they made...

Obama is just heeding the advice of his generals on the ground. The American population though are still against the Iraq and Afghan wars and wants to save the money for domestic issues instead. Who to support: Obama or the American population?

helter Skelter

AUSAFdude: All of us liberals in the US military never for a second believed Obama would cut military spending.

If this is even true, you're in the tiniest of minorities.

Simply being such a rabid liberal in the military already puts him in the tiniest of minorities. Now if he was just talking about the Air Force... : )

The congress can't refuse Mr Obama! Why? Because because he has a Nobel Peace Prize, and none of them do.

No one thought of that, did they.

With two wars and a surge in Afghanistan there's no wonder the military budget is climbing.

Whether it was Barack Obama or John McCain that got elected the budget was going to go up exponentially. With two wars, unemployment and everything else we're dealing with there's no surprise that next year's and on budgets will increase. < :-)

I am beginning to realize how the New Noble peace prize works, You spend more money on wars and the military.

The sad thing is all those American service men and women will hopefully make it home one day only to find that their highways and power stations, hospitals and schools are in disrepair and there will be no money left to fix it, Oh what the heck borrow another trillion.

Republicans should be happy.

AUSAFdude: All of us liberals in the US military never for a second believed Obama would cut military spending.

If this is even true, you're in the tiniest of minorities. Virtually all liberals voted for Obama believing and hoping he would cut military spending. It's part of what defines a liberal. There's just no way the libs can put a credible spin on this one.

USAFdude; you talk such great snese. I bet you are a dreamboat.

Obama is a smashing fella and great for world peace.

Helter - All of us liberals in the US military never for a second believed Obama would cut military spending. It's one of the many reasons so incredibly many of us voted for Obama.

Gravitybrakes - With pleasure, a sentiment echoed by the vast majority of my US military colleagues. There was (and is ) no way in hell we'll vote the party of NO back into power.

I didnt vote for him, I wanted McCain (less of 2 evils) but everyone bought into lies. Now ride the wave of the man you thought was gonna change the world, Yes we can!!! hahaha

"oh when will America learn"

Yes, oh, when will America learn to just sit back and let the rest of the world fight the terrorists?

Gee, wasn't it the right-wingnut contingent on JT who just swore on a stack of Bibles that Obama would cut military spending?

True, but how completely foolish must the libs feel who voted him into office believing the same thing?

The US is making a mistake committing so much to military spending when the enemy remains so vague, and the potential rewards minimal. Put some aside for the greater battle.

Gee, wasn't it the right-wingnut contingent on JT who just swore on a stack of Bibles that Obama would cut military spending?

Checking... yes, it certainly was!

Imagine how many years of free post-secondary education for all the US could have given -- not to mention free health care for all and their dogs -- they could have given if not for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the extremely huge military budgets. Obama is as bad as bush in this regard (now watch as the Right-wingers suddenly start crying foul about military budgets while demanding more troops!).

Boo to Obama on this.

Barack H. Obama = George W. Bush with a credit card.

Another way for Obama to funnel billions to union bosses in preparation for his re-election bid in 2012.

Foolish move.

Here's to more 5th generation jets, bigger carriers, and railgun as the standard for artillery by 2025. The future is bright because its illuminated by white phosphorus. Joy to the world for we may soon have HK416's in the hands of every soldier.

He wants to federalize the National Guard.

How much of that will be devoted to education? Without educating the children in Iraq and Afghanistan America has no real exit policy

oh when will America learn

with Obama they seem to keep breaking spending records.

if so start selling Treasuries to the developing countries.