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Yes, the Iran deal should go through. But this framing of the deal as the only alternative to war is the height of irresponsibility. There are several other options: first and foremost, the U.S. doesn't preemptively attack another country, counter the the U.N. charter. Iran has done nothing wrong, has violated no international law--very important to keep this in mind.

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I think he means war between Iran and Israel, which might end quickly or might become a new flashpoint. Israel won't accept a nuclear armed Iran lightly.

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US just love to make wars all over the place, by hook or by crook, the biggest bully on earth is US.

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If McConnell thinks Obama’s suggestion that Republicans had found “common cause” with Iran hardliners “goes way over the line of civil discourse,” I suggest he look at what members of his own caucus are saying.

For example, Huckabee says Obama would “take the Israelis and march them to the door of the oven.” Cruz says Obama is “the world's leading financier of radical Islamic terrorism.” Cotton says, "John Kerry acted like Pontius Pilate."

In truth, those against this deal on both sides want the whole cake, and if this deal goes down, Obama is correct in predicting results quite dire to both sides. There will be no better deal; Iran will face severe consequences if they cheat.

Fortunately, Congress has set itself so that it does not vote to approve the deal but to disapprove, so even if a bare majority do so, it will not stand Obama's veto. The GOP has a tendency to structure things so when they know they must do something but want to pretend they're not.

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Not Fit to Lead

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/07/iran_hearings_the_congressional_grilling_of_john_kerry_and_ernest_moniz.single.html

Inhofe: Secretary Rice [sic] said she has seen the deal with the IAEA. … Did you see it at the same time, or prior to the time, that Secretary Rice saw it?

Kerry: Senator, National Security Adviser Rice has not seen it.

Inhofe: Well she said she did yesterday ...

Kerry: No. She has been briefed on it. I had—I gave her exact quote to Congressman Poe. … She has been briefed on it but has not actually seen it.

Inhofe: OK, I will give you her quote and make sure it is in the record here. … “She said six days ago she had seen it and reviewed it, and that Congress will get to see it in a classified session.”

Kerry: Senator, you are quoting Congressman Poe, and—

Inhofe: Who is quoting her. This is quotation marks.

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I have less concern for what Israel wants than I do for what is good for America.

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Good point Peter. Iran constantly vows to destroy Isreal. But the Isrealis don't take that kind of crap.

@chub . . . . not all of us are bad.

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Soak up the sun......isn't that Obama's plan in 2009? Solar is the future. Let them cover some of the sand with solar panels and wind turbines. Why must it be nuclear energy? Suspicious....

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Deal or no deal, there will always be war as long as the U.S. is involved. That's a given.

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It is amazing what socialists can tell themselves for propaganda. If his statement is true, then Iran has every intention to go to war.

But let's look at reality. Obama is repeating the exact history of the 1930s and the mistake of making arms deals and non-proliferation of war treaties with violent war prone cultures run by megalomaniac psychopaths. When repeating history we can expect the same result. In the 30s , Germany in secret ignored all treaties, built it's army, created the weapons it agreed not to build and then invaded. The mistake by the league of nations was believing their treaties would be followed, so they didn't build up armies to protect. The only difference between 1930 Germany and Iran is motivation. Germany had revenge, an effective motivator. Iran has omnipotent beings and holy books motivating them to genocide everyone and people who think gods are telling them to kill everyone are significantly more motivated than revenge seekers.

The fact is signing this deal will lead to a war. It isn't because Iran will still build nukes, that's a given. The problem is the USA, UN, EU, will all pretend their fantasy about Iran is true and not maintain readiness against war. So when Iran starts invading, the west will again be caught with no clothed on and scramble to do something, which will be another war. People who repeat history are doomed to suffer the same consequences.

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Deal or no deal, there will always be war as long as the U.S. is involved. That's a given.

@genjuro- No there won't. In East Asia, japan in particular, there have been 70 yrs of peace. Jeez, that's nearly 1/4 shy of an entire century. Son, do you sleep well each night & enjoy ur everyday freedoms? I do.

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I have less concern for what Israel wants than I do for what is good for America. oh but a war between Israel Iran could easily spread in the middle east, thats when the US will get dragged into it. If Iran develops a Bomb having two nuclear armed rivals that close to each other would be very dangerous

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There would be far fewer wars if our Government did what was best for the people rather than Defense contractors.

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Iran constantly vows to destroy Isreal.

Does it? Or is it just the same single statement constantly repeated in the media?

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Isn't Iran a peaceful country? I haven't noticed Iran on the front pages of any newspapers attacking anybody.....

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For example, Huckabee says Obama would “take the Israelis and march them to the door of the oven.” Cruz says Obama is “the world's leading financier of radical Islamic terrorism.” Cotton says, "John Kerry acted like Pontius Pilate."

The truth hurts.

In truth, those against this deal on both sides want the whole cake, and if this deal goes down, Obama is correct in predicting results quite dire to both sides.

Obama doesn't live in Israel, so he doesn't have to worry about the repercussions whatever happens to Israel and the Sunni states, so why should he care. He's leaving office in less than 2 years, why should he care other than building his own legacy?

There will be no better deal; Iran will face severe consequences if they cheat.

Yeah, like what? What about the secret deal that Iran has between them and the IAEA. What about the fact that NO American Nuclear scientist is allowed on the team of inspectors to verify any of the known sites? What about Iran's history about lying about EVERYTHING in the past? Who's going to punish Iran if they cheat? China? Russia? Again, Obama has just created an arms race in the ME.

Fortunately, Congress has set itself so that it does not vote to approve the deal but to disapprove,

As ANY normal and sane person with a clear and moral conscious should.

so even if a bare majority do so, it will not stand Obama's veto.

If more Dems join on board from the way it's looking, congress just might get the votes they need to override the presidents veto.

The GOP has a tendency to structure things so when they know they must do something but want to pretend they're not.

More like, they see the world and our enemies for what they are. Dems can't see because they have too many flowers blocking their skewed view.

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War is what Republicans want. They've said it, even though bass denies they've said it.

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israel's influence in american politics is sickening. why are we beholden to them? many of the problems in the ME have been caused by our support of israel. despite all of the support that we give them, they still act like spoiled brats. let the arab world do what it wants to israel. i could care less.

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War is what Republicans want. They've said it, even though bass denies they've said it.

Yeah, which ones? And if ALL want it, then you can equally say the Dems want it as well for their unwillingness to idly stand by and allow Iran to pursue nuclear weapons and allowing an arms race to break out in the ME.

israel's influence in american politics is sickening. why are we beholden to them?

They have been an instrumental ally for us in the ME not to mention that America has one of the largest Jewish communities outside Israel.

many of the problems in the ME have been caused by our support of israel.

And even more so from the Jihadists.

despite all of the support that we give them, they still act like spoiled brats. let the arab world do what it wants to israel. i could care less.

I feel the same when Israel bombs the radical Jihadists.

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bass: "Yeah, which ones? And if ALL want it, then you can equally say the Dems want it as well for their unwillingness to idly stand by and allow Iran to pursue nuclear weapons and allowing an arms race to break out in the ME. "

You've been told many times and given specific liks. Not our fault you won't listen. Cotton is back to saying how easy war with Iran would be. And no, seeking peace, as the Dems are doing with this deal, is not the same as seeking wr except to a person with the debating skills and logic of a Republican (ie. a petulant child).

It's hilarious to watch the Repub desperation as more and more support Trump and he has a Hancock of winning.

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I dont understand what is Mr Netanyahu waiting for, just bomb that iranian nuclear site, the consequences will be packed and fixed by USA in coming decades US has been troubling enough in south China sea, a turbulence ME is good to sway them away and not troubing in east asia. USA will be very busy to fix thosemiddleeast problems . even if she goes bankrupt

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Bet Jimmy Carter is smiling behind his hand.

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this :"deal" is being made just to embed a presidential legacy and to ensure mr oboma lives up to a previously given peace prize.

but it is neither a strong, or wise deal, there is no real oversight, and, Iran will have the bomb in 10 years instead of 5.

Korea is the next one on the checklist- Cuba, Iran - Korea is next- i can really see how everyone will be real happy when President Obama pulls a Nuclear Agreement with no oversight out of thin air.

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You've been told many times and given specific liks.

You mean links? Or do you mean specifically from partisan one-sided hacks? Everyone on the planet says this deal is bad. Chuck Schumer and 8 more Democrats are coming out against this, that's the real proof.

Not our fault you won't listen.

Not my fault all you libs want to live a Bizarro alternate warped universe.

Cotton is back to saying how easy war with Iran would be. And no, seeking peace, as the Dems are doing with this deal, is not the same as seeking wr except to a person with the debating skills and logic of a Republican (ie. a petulant child).

Ahh, that's why Obama and Kerry tried to put this together in such a haste, Obama doesn't have much time, Kerry has his own ambitious goals. Isn't his new son-in-law a very high Iranian official? Hmmmm.... This disastrous deal is crumbling around these two knuckleheads! Hopefully more will join against this nightmare of a deal.

It's hilarious to watch the Repub desperation as more and more support Trump and he has a Hancock of winning.

What's even funnier is that, thank the lord that if there is a Republican president, everything that Obama mucked up CAN be thankfully undone.

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'For example, Huckabee says Obama would “take the Israelis and march them to the door of the oven.” Cruz says Obama is “the world's leading financier of radical Islamic terrorism.” Cotton says, "John Kerry acted like Pontius Pilate."'

Huckabee is a demented, bigoted religious crackpot ( he'd be laughed off stage in any other civilised democracy ). This lunatic along with the swivel-eyed, end-of-days Christians are part of the reason the GOP has turned into a circus and part of why US foreign policy towards Israel is what it is. Many of these clowns are expecting the second coming in the not too distant future.

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Huckabee is a demented, bigoted religious crackpot

Because he spoke the truth? A bit crude, but literally that is exactly what he is doing in a sense.

( he'd be laughed off stage in any other civilised democracy ).

Thank God, he's an American that can say whatever he wants, regardless if the truth is hard to take.

This lunatic along with the swivel-eyed, end-of-days Christians are part of the reason the GOP has turned into a circus and part of why US foreign policy towards Israel is what it is. Many of these clowns are expecting the second coming in the not too distant future.

The only lunatic that we have is the one in the White House that will thankfully be leaving in 459 more days!!!!!

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There should also be a map of US bases around Iran.

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'Huckabee is a demented, bigoted religious crackpot

Because he spoke the truth? A bit crude, but literally that is exactly what he is doing in a sense.'

Erm, no. It's because he's a demented, bigoted religious crackpot. He always has been. By the way, what does 'literally that is exactly what he is doing in a sense' mean?

'( he'd be laughed off stage in any other civilised democracy ).

Thank God, he's an American that can say whatever he wants, regardless if the truth is hard to take.'

Bass, it may come as a shock to you, but other countries would allow him to say what he wants. The point I'm making is that this knuckle-dragger wouldn't be taken seriously and you should be furious that numbskulls like this have turned the GOP into the 'stupid party' and a laughing stock

'This lunatic along with the swivel-eyed, end-of-days Christians are part of the reason the GOP has turned into a circus and part of why US foreign policy towards Israel is what it is. Many of these clowns are expecting the second coming in the not too distant future.

The only lunatic that we have is the one in the White House that will thankfully be leaving in 459 more days!!!!!'

I really have no defence against repartee at that level. The wit, the caustic brilliance, the originality and way you destroyed my point leaves me disarmed. How do you manage to do this so effortlessly?

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Everyone on the planet says this deal is bad.

Only in the bubble you live in Bass.

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Erm, no. It's because he's a demented, bigoted religious crackpot. He always has been.

That's your personal opinion, many people don't think so, but you are allowed to think whatever you wish.

it may come as a shock to you, but other countries would allow him to say what he wants.

Yes, it does come as a deep shock.

The point I'm making is that this knuckle-dragger wouldn't be taken seriously and you should be furious that numbskulls like this have turned the GOP into the 'stupid party' and a laughing stock.

As long as he sticks to his convictions, who the heck cares. They laughed at the Wright brothers as well.

'This lunatic along with the swivel-eyed, end-of-days Christians are part of the reason the GOP has turned into a circus and part of why US foreign policy towards Israel is what it is. Many of these clowns are expecting the second coming in the not too distant future.

If they do, that's their right.

I really have no defence against repartee at that level.

Because what I said was the honest truth.

The wit, the caustic brilliance, the originality and way you destroyed my point leaves me disarmed. How do you manage to do this so effortlessly?

Maybe because I don't let my personal feelings cloud my judgement.

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Silly to think this is a good and sound solution. Iran is an instigator and supporter in the regions turmoil. That is fact! I assure you Iran will use its new 'technology' in negative ways.

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Obama's statement is endemic in US politics. Too many people in America see morality in Black and White with no shades of gray. IMO, the US should aim for neutrality as much as possible. We've got too many domestic problems, so shrinking our empire makes the most sense.

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Sorry folks... it's ALL about money. Nothing more... nothing less.

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Since the embargo on conventional weapons will be lifted after five years, the Iranians will work to significantly improve their anti-aircraft defenses. They can expect help from Russia, which needs the money to be gained from these projects, which are defensive in nature and therefore “acceptable.” Also, three years later the embargo on the Iranian missile project will also be lifted, and Iran will make every effort to progress in its development and production of precise missiles, particularly long-range ones that would allow it to threaten Europe initially (at a very early stage), and later the US. There is little doubt that within ten years, and certainly once the embargo is lifted, Iran will achieve these capabilities. It will be better protected from any aerial threat, and able to carry out missile strikes on many areas of the world. Iran will be able to withstand outside pressures. For example: Iran will stockpile spare parts for sensitive systems, Iranian banks will hold more foreign currency, and there will be more partnerships with large international companies, making any future sanctions program more difficult.

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bass: "Maybe because I don't let my personal feelings cloud my judgement."

Hahaha... no, not at all.

"Or do you mean specifically from partisan one-sided hacks?"

And then you pretend to claim you are not partisan when you are one of the most partisan posters on this site, and SCREAM that you are not emotional!

Sorry, bud, but the Republicans want war with Iran. You know it, and you support them in their seeking of it. No amount of trying to spin fact into fiction will change that. Period.

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We've got too many domestic problems

@jeff. So true. Another woman was killed in my home state (CA) by an illegal mexican

Yet obama doesn't deport any of these cats. There are so many safe harbor cities and bs bureaucracy in favor of these illegas, that you'd literally need to be holding their hands while they commit crimes in order to convince a federal judge to deport them.

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Yet obama doesn't deport any of these cats.

What's that I hear? A voice from the bubble? Yes, that's exactly what it is.

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Hi Strangerland. Naw dude, just sick of illegals who commit crimes, go to jail, get out & do worse.

Look at where we live (here in japan) it would be outlandish if dangerous foreign criminals went on crime sprees and allowed to remain. Japanese won't have that.

How would japanese feel if this "Gumo" cat (who murdered his lover & tossed her in the sea) was an illegal alien all along?

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Reminds me of when Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich Agreement with Hitler and Mussolini and went back to England waving a piece of paper saying "Peace in our time!"

In my study of history I have never found a single instance when appeasement accomplished anything; an enemy just sees it as a sign of weakness.

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Guess who's going to invest and finance that war... go ahead guess...

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The Israeli regime (you know, the military power obsessed, race discriminating, reincarnation of a state out of history that fires first but calls that defending itself, and considers itself exempt from international laws...hmmm, I wonder if the folks who call Obama an appeaser are upset about his approach to the state that has all those echoes of the regime Chamberlain was dealing with) military may have too many flaws to list here, but believing that they can attack an industrialized democracy that is many times their size and willing to fight for its independence and rights is not one of them. But the right wing of America, and all to many of what passes for the middle, would not react well to the world no longer appeasing their obsession with destroying Iranian independence and will almost certainly resort to war to get their way. That is the war Obama is warning will be the result of the Nukers killing the deal. And the willingness to ignore all the evidence that is part and parcel of being a Nuker means that when the American military commanders tell them the same thing that the Israeli military has told Netanyahu (if you order us to attack, we will, but it is a war we will lose) the odds of them not rejecting that and ordering the attack anyway is pretty high. Now, unlike the Israeli regime, the US doesn't need its military to keep its population from overthrowing it, and so the war would drag on, but odds are that the result of that will be a growing alliance of most of the world against the US/Israeli axis which will mean that only a total surrender of the US will be accepted.

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Obama warns rejecting Iran deal would spell war

Obama's argument that rejecting the Iran deal means war is ludicrous! No one - not even the Iranians - believe that Obama will invade Iran should Congress override his forthcoming veto.

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