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Seems to me that the gays are the most intolerant people on the planet. I say they are heterophobes.

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Just imagine, you are in the middle of a fire fight against your enemy, but instead of being able to focus on killing your enemies, you have to look over your back because the huge, burly, muscular marine behind you thinks you are cute. No way to fight a war! They can always make like an all gay army etc...right?

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Just imagine, you are in the middle of a fire fight against your enemy, but instead of being able to focus on killing your enemies, you have to look over your back because the huge, burly, muscular marine behind you thinks you are cute. No way to fight a war! They can always make like an all gay army etc...right?

Not sure where you got that scenario from. I would find it hard to believe that in the middle of a firefight, non-mental people would have sex on their minds.

then there's the assumption you make that all males are sexual predators, therefore if a male is attracted to another male, logically, he would prey on any available male be they friend or foe. That's absurd.

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What is the problem?

If they are good soldiers now they still will be once their sexual orientation is known.

Come on you males are you so insecure in your own masculinity that you need to worry if the same sex finds you attractive and to the point that you can't do your job anymore.

Having worked with gays and lesbians most of the times you can only spot the "women" in a gay relationship and the "man" in a lesbian one.

And they are NOT interested in you if you are straight. Ever wondered why the chippendales, etc are all gay.

So what is the big fuss, why should there only be an upset in the US forces and other countries forces are fine.

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m5c32 - War (and combat in general) has often been described by combatants as being more erotically charged than sex. Tick put it well in his "war and the Soul", saying, "When we study the roots of war, we find this relentless darkside of eros at work." and "War transforms a combatant's relations to love and sex, and to beauty and order and form, in a way that compromises some of the most difficult dimensions of the survivor's inner world." both on p. 122, for those of you so inclined.

Elbudamexicano's central point stands, even if his suggestion of a separate all-gay army is ridiculous. Let the military sort this out on their own. They have been better at integration than civilian society in most other things (religious integration and racial integration both happened in the military before they happened in the civilian world).

Actually, the use of the courts to force this on an an uneasy military population will, in reality, lead to more recrimination, more discrimination, and more suffering for gays in the military. Expect more problems in the ranks if this trend continues. Why is it so hard for gays to wait for Sec. Gates to come out with his report? Why take it to the courts, who will hand down chaos in the wake of this ruling? The military is working on it, and will come out with a balanced, reasonable, gradual plan. But patience is clearly not a virtue for some people.

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There are gays in the military already;

The 1993 law says gays may serve in the military but only if they keep secret their sexual orientation.

Has there been a stories of "huge, burly, muscular marines" taking advantage of others in a fox hole? Honestly I'm at lose as to why people think the army would fall apart? Gays in the army but they can't say they're gay - No Chaos. Gays in the army but they can say they're gay - Chaos. Do gays magically turn more gay, if they say their gay?

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Just imagine your in the middle of a fire fight and the soldier behind you is a convicted violent criminal former (maybe not so former) druggy gang banger who got a special dispensation now that would be scary! Oh wait that is just what is happening now oh lets just forget I wrote that.

Well I seem the USA is still living under the thumb of the church!

Wait even ultra catholic Philippines allows gays in the military.

Oh an I guess the USA had better cancel all joint missions with NATO allies seeing most of them have openly gay soldiers serving in Afghanistan.

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The most interesting thing in all this is that there have been a couple of cases where officers and platoon leaders either outed themselves or where outed by other means while serving in Iraq and Afghanistan and their subordinates wanted them back because they were the best leaders they had!

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