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Every nation has its idiots, but racists in America take the cake.

(Full disclosure: I'm a white American who voted for Obama.)

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I stopped to return something to a neighbor with whom I have always had a friendly relationship despite vast politics differences. He went off on Obama using the "N-word," insisting he would "ruin everything, you just wait and see!" I've dealt with racism before, though mainly the cocktail party circuit variety, but this encounter left me very shaken up. I don't think I will ever be able to look at him in the same way again.

The result of this election were not an anomaly never to be repeated and perhaps this has dawned on tthose who are so angry about the results. Among other things, it demonstrated the declining importance of the South in the electoral college and the ascendence of the West. We expect more western states to turn blue; specifically Arizona and Texas both of which, like Florida, draw large numbers of people from elsewhere. Retiring Californians and those fleeing high real estate prices in the golden state did play a role in turning Colorado and Nevada blue.

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Pretty depressing stuff. As bad as the stories about kids with "McCain Girl" t-shirts being told by classmates (and with teacher's apparent approval) that they ought to be crucified.

It's a shame that political discourse has gotten this ugly. When it's children doing the trash talking you know they hear it at home first.

How do the major networks expect a ten or twelve year-old kid is going to respond to childish and hate-filled garbage like Keith Olbermann and his "Worst person in the world" routine.

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Maybe it would have been better if McCain had won. Time will tell.

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powderfinger,

I have to agree with you. I think Keith Olbermann is a bit over the top too. However, when you have the likes of ann coulter, rush limbaugh, bill o'reilly, sean hannity and ted nugent weighing in as well, I think the majority of hate talk over the airways leans to the right. But we could argue that until the cows come home.

One thing I think we can agree upon is that if the Secret Service were trading on Wall Street, we'd both want their stock. They will be busy over the next 4 years.

No matter who our president is, I think you have to really have a screw loose to wish harm upon them.

Taka

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There have been hundreds of incidents since the election, many more than usual.

I wish we had some specific numbers to deal with here as well as comparative figures for any spikes associated with other incidents in which black Americans have been in the news. Absent those, it's a little difficult to know the extent of the problem.

Some race-based reaction to Obama's election was inevitable. I think what is important is to continue to reject racism whether it is direct or whether it is covertly forwarded by proxy issues.

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I'm not really sure holding someone up to public censure is the best way to get at prejudice or offensive behavior. It probably makes those cited even angrier and reinforces their views which, the next time they choose to express them, they will take greater care to ensure their own anonymity.

In the case of my neighbor, I assume he had a very bad day (unrelated to the election). But we've all had bad days and nonetheless managed to exercise self-restraint around those whom we know disagree with us. I was certainly not going to engage him in what specifically he found objectionable about Obama's policies because he was so irrational there would be no point. I simply wanted to get out of his garage.

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Maaaaaaaaaaaan, all de bad racist people is against us . Now we run America OK!!! NOW, i get a new trailer and TV, and Obama will loook after me and not start war to get oil.

I had big party, man was spaced out for days. Anyone who threatens MY president, like kinda, should go to jail for life without parole.

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Generally speaking, when people make racist jokes they assume they are in their comfort zone and everyone else will find it funny. Miscalculations can be costly from the public relations angle.

There's a classic example in Michael Moore's first film, Roger and Me, made when MM was an unknown quantity. Bob Eubanks, another native son of Flint, tells an anti-Semitic joke. It's clear from Michael Moore's expression he doesn't find it funny and he busted him out amidst threats of legal action.

While residual racism still exists in America, we can take comfort in the large number of white men who did vote for Obama, he got more from this demographic, referred to by Sarah Palin as "Joe Six-Pack," than either Al Gore or John Kerry.

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Can white males take comfort in the knowledge that six different federal agencies scoured records belonging to 'Joe the Plumber's' with the intent of making them public via our supposedly neutral media?

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Can white males take comfort in the knowledge that six different federal agencies scoured records belonging to 'Joe the Plumber's' with the intent of making them public via our supposedly neutral media?

You complained the media didn't dig early enough into the status of Obama's elderly Aunt who'd ignored a deportation order, claiming they were cowed by the prospect of appearing "racist." In fact that information is confidential and was leaked at the last minute to embarrass him.

Since he hardly knew the woman it was not damaging and required no response on his part. This is quite different from those who beat the illegal immigration drum and are found, thanks to journalistic digging, to have such people in their employ as occurred with Mitt Romney.

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Like Frank Rich, I applaud the way Obama dealt honestly with the complexities of racism within his own family:

The original “racist for Obama,” after all, was none other than Obama’s own white, Kansas-raised grandmother, the gravely ill Madelyn Dunham, whom he visited in Hawaii on Friday. In “Dreams From My Father,” Obama wrote of how shaken he was when he learned of her overwhelming fear of black men on the street. But he weighed that reality against his unshakeable love for her and hers for him, and he got past it.

When Obama cited her in his speech on race last spring, the right immediately accused him of “throwing his grandmother under the bus.” But Obama’s critics were merely projecting their own racial hang-ups. He still loves his grandmother. He was merely speaking candidly and generously — like an adult — about the strange, complex and ever-changing racial dynamics of America. He hit a chord because many of us have had white relatives of our own like his, and we, too, see them in full and often love them anyway.

Reverend Wright was also demonized in cartoon character fashion. Among other faults, it was claimed he clearly hated America. Yet he'd volunteered to serve during a time of war, something not all of his fiercest critics could claim.

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White America in my opinion has past the test. They have in overwhelming numbers rejected those jurassic notions of race and its inherent right to leadership.

For those cross burners and "n" word users. You will be defeated it is only a matter of time, the meteoroid is inbound.

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"White America in my opinion has past the test. They have in overwhelming numbers rejected those jurassic notions of race and its inherent right to leadership."

It's a test you yourself have yet to pas if you feel that any and all opposition to Obama is racist in origin - and emanating solely from "White America."

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Can white males take comfort in the knowledge that six different federal agencies scoured records belonging to 'Joe the Plumber's' with the intent of making them public via our supposedly neutral media?

No kidding, huh. It's like Joe was a CIA agent or something.

Taka

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I wish the world couldnt tell the difference in color.. Then maybe people would look at the person for who they are and not what color they are.

Obama is a educated person with different views than around 50% of the Americans, and that is no different then Bush who is an educated man with views different then 50% of the people (at the time of his election).. It doesnt mean he is not able to run this country.And he isnt going to make this USA Ghetto, hell he hasnt even seen a real ghetto..

When some one uses race to belittle someone or to gain advantage of someone they just show how idiotic they are.. Color doesnt determine you intelligence, your beliefs, or your ability to do a job..

News companies help spread this type of view by making it the main point of view in their papers, websites, and tv news shows..

Sorry for the rant but I hate racism..

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My point is that racism lost the battle on that day. It was categorically defeated in that more people opted to make a decision based on the issues rather than race. A few more of these victories may one day win the war removing race as an issue in our society.

I believe that most but not all the opposition to Obama was race based. There were many who bought into the proposition that he was a Muslim and a Communist, allegations that were so far off the mark it had to spur the mind to contemplate the real motivation.

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I think what is important is to continue to reject racism whether it is direct or whether it is covertly forwarded by proxy issues.

Yeah but we have to figure out a good way to do that. I can't say I have the answers, but this one is going to take a little more massaging than usual.

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powderfinger: It's amazing to see you on here doing everything in your power to actually avoid addressing the issue; and this from a guy who comes on here and will blame anti-bush people for said president's mistakes by constantly harping that, 'and yet, you don't denounce the (supposed) terrorists!' like in yesterday's acid attack article.

So, I see you on here criticizing a whole lot of people for denouncing racial attacks, but I don't see you actually agreeing that racism is wrong, etc. Shame.

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If the States spent some money on education this crap wouldn't even enter the minds of the educated. What a load of cavemen! Get with the 21st Century and the one race there is, the HUMAN race.

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I am a Black man who did not vote for Obama. I do believe that the racist comments talked about in the story have happened, and I know racism is real in America. But we are probably not getting the whole story.

No where is it mentioned, that since the passage of Prop 8 (anti gay marriage in California) that gay rights groups have been targeting churches and doing pretty much the "sore looser thing." Also, that measure passeed in CA because of the Obama factor. CA had more black voters in this election, and they voted for Obama, but they also voted against gay marriage (as well as the Hispanic vote and the Asian vote in the SF area). Don't believe me, just look it up on LA Times election results.

Bottom line, news reports are sensationalizing the reports of white against Black (Obama) events. Did they happen, I would say yes. Does America have a race problem, I say yes.

But just by looking at what the gay (mostly Democratic) supporters for Prop 8 in CA are doing, if McCain would have won, you probably would have seen the opposite effect. Some blacks would have done isolated incidents jsut as bad. Even before the election, there were cases of McCain supporters being labled as racist for supporting McCain, and acts of tearing down his campaign signs and one video of a teacher calling her student's parents racist becuase they supported McCain.

Race will remain an issue. Some whites will feel as if their world is changing too fast, just as some blacks will feel that now they have the opportunity to dish it out. I expect we will probably see more of these types of incidents, the question is, will the media report them when they happen from the left as much as when they happen from anti-Obama supporters.

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A sad state of some of the far right, that they are so mad that they lash out at anyone of race.

Now the right is trying to change the subject by claiming that Obama supporters are discriminating against them and their party. Comments like this are typical "change the story" ploys that the right has used for years. They claim to be the oppressed when in fact they seek to oppress

The story is not about Palin, McCain or Republicans being threatened. The story is about the Bigots and Racist lashing out at anyone they think is different.

The election is over Far Right and you lost. You can not handle that fact and now you are angry. You lash out at those that are different because you are scared of the change that is coming. Dont be sacred this is a normal reaction be those that fear change.

These folks that are doing this need to have their pictures/Videos taken and their words shown to the world. The only way to end Racism is to expose it. Show them at their rally tell the world who they are and what they say. That will force these low brow individuals to find the nearest rock and hide.

I agree with YangYong when he says;

If the States spent some money on education this crap wouldn't even enter the minds of the educated.

These people who hold these beliefs are ignorant and need to be exposed.

But first the children need to learn that this sort of reaction is a very bad thing.

Kids do not know any different they learn these sort of saying from their family and their friends family. Racism is not in the genes, Racism is taught from an early age.

End this sort of reaction Racism has reared it`s head in America too many times. We need to nip it this time before it takes deeper roots!

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Even before the election, there were cases of McCain supporters being labled as racist for supporting McCain, and acts of tearing down his campaign signs and one video of a teacher calling her student's parents racist becuase they supported McCain.

Unfounded conjecture. Where do you people come up with this stuff?

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I agree with YangYong when he says;

If the States spent some money on education this crap wouldn't even enter the minds of the educated.

These people who hold these beliefs are ignorant and need to be exposed.

Joe, the education system in America does spend money on racial education. From February (Black History Month) throughout the year, with Hispanic Hertiage month, Asian-Pacifici Islander heritage month, and November is Native American Heritage month; programs are in place to teach people about the contributions that others have made to make changes in America.

What will not change, is people's basic attitudes towards race. In America, no matter how much we work with one another, at the end of the day, we still go into areas of cities that would be described as ethnically homogeneous (i.e. white/asian/black neighborhoods). People tend to stick to their own.

Not only can we just say that racism is an American idea, but we see it globally, the conflict in the Congo (Tutsi against others), Darfur (Islamist against others) and even in Japan (treatment of Ainu and other foreigners).

So, I don't think it is a matter of the fact that the Far Right can't handle it. I believe they can, and probably will resort to at least some of the bitter name calling that was prevelant on the left while Bush was in office. I am not just beating the drum for Bush and the right, I think that they are screwed on a lot of their policies, but the left has a tendency to bad mouth, post racist comments (just do a google search of some of the cariactures of Condelezza Rice done by liberals) and you will see the open hostility they have done.

The press will continue to post the stories that will fit their agenda. As I said before, will they be honest enough to report reactionay deeds done by the far left. I doubt it.

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It's amusing how "patriotic" Americans are fervently wishing and hoping for the President Elect to screw up.

Country first? Hardly.

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Alphaape, writes the following: "...but the left has a tendency to bad mouth, post racist comments (just do a google search of some of the cariactures of Condelezza Rice done by liberals) and you will see the open hostility they have done."

Nowhere, no way, no-how, has anyone left of center called for Rice's assassination, or for Bush's. Nor was there ever any hassling of supporters of the two.

So stop trumpeting the golden mean and pretending there's some kind of moral equivalency to contradict the overt racism coming from the usual sources. There isn't, and your continuous attempts to attempt to rationalize this make you suspect as a self-hating black person, if you are indeed truly what you claim you are.

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Unfounded conjecture. Where do you people come up with this stuff?

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/12/crush-the-obamedia-narrative-look-whos-gripped-by-insane-rage/

Great posts Alphaape. I agree with everything you've stated. Thank you. I could not say it better myself. As far your comment

The press will continue to post the stories that will fit their agenda. As I said before, will they be honest enough to report reactionay deeds done by the far left. I doubt it.

My link covers it pretty well. Pretty vile stuff, and It wasn't like it wasn't out there for all to see. Media pretty much glossed over it.

One thing I don't like about this article....Where any of these people that did these things, where any arrests made? That is pretty disturbing if these things are happening at the scale the article seems to imply and not a single arrest made.

People that do hate crimes left or right need to go to jail no matter who that hate is directed agaisnt.

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It's amusing how "patriotic" Americans are fervently wishing and hoping for the President Elect to screw up.

Country first? Hardly.

rabblerouser, just go back to the campaign and Michelle Obama's statements that for the first time she is proud to be an American. that seems pretty unpatriotic to me. Has America done some screwed up things in my lifetime, yes. But no matter what, I am still proud of her, warts and all.

So stop trumpeting the golden mean and pretending there's some kind of moral equivalency to contradict the overt racism coming from the usual sources. There isn't, and your continuous attempts to attempt to rationalize this make you suspect as a self-hating black person, if you are indeed truly what you claim you are.

yabits, so tell me, did you go see the movie "The Assination of George W. Bush" when it was out. No I am not a self hating Black person. Am I proud that America has its first Black President: yes. But, on the political front, I wish it were someone else. And since I don't know your racial make-up, what gives you the right to tell me how I should feel and what I should think? Being a bit paternalistic I imagine. Here's a memo to you yabits: not all Black (as well as white, asian, etc.) people think alike. We have differences of opinion.

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to those who constantly insist that discrimination/bigotry no longer exist in america, i ask: do you still wish to maintain your position? or do you require further evidence?

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did you go see the movie "The Assination of George W. Bush" when it was out.

If you are referring to the British fictional movie, I don't believe it has been released anywhere in the US yet. I did read that Hillary Clinton said of the film: "I think it's despicable. I think it's absolutely outrageous. That anyone would even attempt to profit on such a horrible scenario makes me sick". Is Hillary not a liberal?

I really don't understand your thinking on this, or on much else. Are you actually claiming that some Britons making a fictional scenario is the same thing as wishing it to happen?

And since I don't know your racial make-up, what gives you the right to tell me how I should feel and what I should think?

As audacious as it may seem, I feel I have the obligation to tell anyone who is coming across as just plain dumb to kindly dispel with the dumbness. And attempting to apply moral equivalency to the story in this topic with some fringe lunatics who we are told are on "the left" is just plain dumb.

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AlphaApe,

I saw the movie, "The Assination of george w. bush." It was disturbing but it absolutely was NOT glorifying or promoting the idea of assassinating bush. Just the opposite. The premise of the movie is, if you do something as stupid as killing the American president, the Americans will unleash hell on you in return. The amount of imagined revenge a person may feel is far outweighed by the level of suffering many would feel from feeling the full wrath of America.

It didn't call for bush's death. It called for people to think about the repercussions of their actions.

THAT would have been a wise premise for American neo-cons to learn too. They giggled with glee over bush's abuses of power, not once thinking that in doing so, bush was setting precedent as to what future president's can get away with.

So now, we have dumbasses making threats toward President-elect Obama. The door for tapping your phone, "just in case" has already been opened. Now, if he chooses, he can listen in to your phone calls, claiming he is doing it in the name of national security. The door for detaining people without charging them of a crime has been opened, you just need to claim it is for national security. If Obama so chooses, he can declare dissenters as enemies of the state and have them detained, no lawyer; no charges, for the sake of national security. I don't think he will do these things and I most certainly pray he won't, but...again, the door for that level of abuse HAS been opened and you know what they say about putting genies back in bottles. Obama most likely won't abuse his authority the way bush did (and I pray he won't), but when you combine the degree of hatred he has felt, even prior to taking office, with the ability to abuse his power, based on the precedents set by bush, you've got a potentially (and again, highly unlikely) dangerous situation.

It's a shame that neo-cons were so short-sighted regarding the Constitution.

Taka

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Taka: Agreed 100%. The sad thing is, if/when something as you posited COULD happen DOES (and I too pray it doesn't), the right will absolutely refuse to see that they elected into power the people that paved the way, and they themselves laughed and scorned people on the left for suggesting it was wrong, etc. They'll point at people like you (I can't vote) and say, "See what you've done?" when they were the one's who did it all along.

Fortunately, Obama's got a head on his shoulders, unlike bush, so even though all of these hate crimes are coming to light, I'm sure he'll keep his cool. In fact, he is now calling on all Americans to unite, and I believe if anyone has the power to do it, he does. He isn't doing so with the typical fear tactics of the Republican party, he's doing so in a style befitting former and wonderful leaders like JFK. He can heal the rift through welcoming with open arms those who are disgruntled, which he is doing.

Let's hope it works. The US, in my opinion, is at a cross-roads, and is very fragile. If anything were to happen to Obama -- even an attempt -- it would tear the country apart, literally.

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sailwind: "Glad to see you don't play the victim card. Yabits has a bad case of white guilt and can't fathom how a person such as yourself being of African descent would reject his "willingness" to help you see the light as to your downtrodden existence."

I don't believe yabits has stated his ethnic background, so aren't you guilty of exactly what you are accusing him of here? 'white guilt'? You assume he's white for some odd reason that has no relevance on this thread. I'm not assuming you're white, and I couldn't care less, I'm just pointing out your odd way of stepping around racial issues by being a bit racist (unconsciously, perhaps) yourself. I agree with AlphaApe in that one's background shouldn't matter when posting, although I don't agree with some of his other points. What's more, I love your talking down to AlphaApe in the same post ('help you see the light as to your downtrodden existence').

Ah well. It does take time, I suppose.

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sailwind: "Pretty strange a thread about racism and Yabits is showing just as much intolerance toward a person of African descent as any racist would just because you don't conform to his political views........Ironic isn't it."

It's not really ironic at all, being that you are misplacing your own feelings on Yabits' comments. You forget to look at all the posts by powderfinger and co. defending all sorts of people and not at all condoning the actions stated in the article. What's more, you come on here and take the posts of Alpha and pat him on the back saying, "Way to not play the victim card.... being that you're African and all" by showing such racist thoughts that he by all rights SHOULD be playing the victim card simply because he's black. Shame on you.

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Taka313 writes: "Obama most likely won't abuse his authority the way bush did.."

There is no way that he will. This, despite what that Congressional moron, Rep. Broun, claims.

Moderator: Stay on topic please.

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From the article:

The day after the vote hailed as a sign of a nation changed, black high school student Barbara Tyler of Marietta, Ga, said she heard hateful Obama comments from white students, and that teachers cut off discussion about Obama’s victory.

Cutting off discussion... hmmm... This is, again, a key part of the root of the issue. Whenever some uncomfortable truth starts to surface, it becomes too much for some people to bear. And so, under the guise of "keeping things civil," they supress the expression of thought.

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From California to Maine, police have documented a range of alleged crimes.

And not one arrest, a little strange don't you think. Not saying it hasn't happened but you'd think there would be at least some arrests to go with this.

I find that a tad bit puzzling, it would help the articles overall credibility. I can't really tell if this really a widespread thing, or just a few isolated incidents confined to the nutbag fringe. I'm leaning toward that. The article says hundreds of incidents. Okay, 2 hundred, 9 hundred way so vague?

Article implies that this is something going out of control but really offers no real proof, as in arrests of perps etc.

Does sell some ink though.

Just being my rational self looking at this and in the name of civility.

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yabits.. here is some links of places and people who say kill Bush

http://tabacco.blog-city.com/quest_for_bush_new_electronic_jihad_computer_game_lets_you_h.htm

http://www.brendastardom.com/arch.asp?ArchID=531

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/george-bush-assassination/1938114668

http://www.nwitimes.com/articles/2007/06/26/news/top_news/docbde983d98b267a358625730600047544.txt

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2006/08/31/president-bush-assassinated-in-new-movie/

http://www.pierretristam.com/Bobst/Archives/CN123005.htm

Point is this, when someone is in the presidency and it isnt your man, someone in your political party is going to be extreme enough to do such a foolish thing as talk about, or try (suceed) in this type of action..

To say the left doesnt do that is just a show of political blindness and foolish to say the least..

As for Obama doing or not doing anything (because hes smart or hes going to keep his cool etc etc) we dont know and wont know until after he is in power...

History has a way of showing peoples predictions as not only wrong but dead wrong... Only thing we can hope for is that he doesnt abuse his power, he doesnt use his majority in congress to pass things we cant afford and dont need, but like all of history it has to become history before we can say what he did...

With all that said.. I hope Obama can be the one who keeps his promises and brings us out of the hole we dug, but as like anything you hope or dream of, we wont know until the fat lady sings and history shows us he did it...

And again hate and racist crimes are as bad as terrorism, and sometimes no different then terrorism... Let Obama take his swing at bat with us as the fans cheering him on, if he hits a homerun we all win, if he strikes out we can elect a new pres in 4 years..

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Second- and third-grade students on a school bus in Rexburg, Idaho, chanted "assassinate Obama," a district official said.

Were they arrested? Second and third graders part of a "nutbag fringe?"

"Four North Carolina State University students admitted writing anti-Obama comments in a tunnel designated for free speech expression, including one that said: “Let’s shoot that (N-word) in the head.” Obama has received more threats than any other president-elect, authorities say."

Were they arrested? More threats than any other president-elect? Someone had better inform Michelle Malkin.

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here is some links of places and people who say kill Bush

Some of your links don't work. A look at the third link -- the video -- will show how foolish the attempt is to equate that with the hundreds of instances of what is happening around the US.

I don't say "the left" doesn't do things like that. There are fringe nutcases who believe they are on the left, who really don't believe in much of anything. What I can say that it is against liberalism itself to engage in such acts -- and anyone who does so is not a liberal, no matter what they may call themselves.

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"Yet again, we see the source of this comment trivializing and demeaning a very serious issue, were some act of violence to be attempted to the president-elect."

The only thing I was trivializing is the melodrama here. The country is not going to 'literally' split in half if there is an attempt on the life of the president-elect or his eventual successor.

As for violence being done to a president, if a guy as harmless as Gerald Ford can be a target I think the nutjobs (and there are plenty on both sides) will go after anyone in the WH.

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Point of fact: If you examine all of the links given in the post above, you don't find but one example of an American who apparently wanted to take things too far with George W. Bush. And that obviously mentally unstable person's political affiliation was not given. And what would it matter?

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highlighting the stubborn racism that remains in America.

Enough said

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The country is not going to 'literally' split in half if there is an attempt on the life of the president-elect or his eventual successor.

And I totally disagree. The damage done to this country by an act of violence against the president-elect will be incalculable, and something I don't believe possible to be taken too seriously.

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sailwind: "And not one arrest, a little strange don't you think. Not saying it hasn't happened but you'd think there would be at least some arrests to go with this."

Don't be naive. If you were to walk out your front door to find a pizza box with all sorts of feces in it and called the cops, whom do they arrest? Do they go door to door asking people if they used a pizza box instead of a toilet? My point is, they have to CATCH the people committing the acts. If/when they do, you can rest assured there would be charges.

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"In fact, he is now calling on all Americans to unite, and I believe if anyone has the power to do it, he does. He isn't doing so with the typical fear tactics of the Republican party, he's doing so in a style befitting former and wonderful leaders like JFK."

Obama can call all he wants. You can't legislate goodwill between people. He needs to act. Start with dissolving ACORN. Face the Freddy Mac crisis squarely. Admit that forcing banks to lend to buyers who are not creditworthy but happen to be minorities is not sound fiscal policy, no matter how far it goes in satisfying many liberals' pathological need to believe they are saving mankind from itself.

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"And I totally disagree. The damage done to this country by an act of violence against the president-elect will be incalculable, and something I don't believe possible to be taken too seriously."

If by incalculable damage you mean the unplanned ascension of Joe Biden to president I would say I am in complete agreement.

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Yabits it was just a word search and I posted the links... It had 200k hits.. some had signs in pictures some had video I really didnt want to look at them, because I have seen and heard people say they want Bush dead before many times... Even on this site...

I just wanted you to understand your comment was "Nowhere, no way, no-how, has anyone left of center called for Rice's assassination, or for Bush's." now its changed to this..."I don't say "the left" doesn't do things like that. There are fringe nutcases who believe they are on the left, who really don't believe in much of anything. What I can say that it is against liberalism itself to engage in such acts -- and anyone who does so is not a liberal, no matter what they may call themselves."

One of those links has an article on an actual attempted assassination on Bush by an American....hers another about an attempt that was planned.. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24141366-401,00.html

See Yabits my first post showed those on the left (you didnt say only Liberal Americans) have talked about and even tried it on Bush.. not to mention almost every president we ever had, including Reagan, Bush Sr...

Both extremes have nutjobs, and both have about the same amount of extremist who talk such crap as assassination. How are we able to judge if any one of them was a true liberal, how do we decide if you are. I guarentee we can find a group of liberals who all say the others in the group are not true liberal, and also Cons--Neocons..

And what would it matter? Thats the best point you have made today... It doesnt matter if its an Arab, a black, A neo-Con, a Liberal, or a White guy.... its wrong to talk that talk and its wrong to do it... Humans are suppose to be the most intelligent, but we have problems overcoming color and sex.... Sad isnt it..

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Start with dissolving ACORN. Face the Freddy Mac crisis squarely. Admit that forcing banks to lend to buyers who are not creditworthy but happen to be minorities is not sound fiscal policy, no matter how far it goes in satisfying many liberals' pathological need to believe they are saving mankind from itself.

Yet again, we read another scurrilous attack on liberals.

I wonder how many of the hundreds of racist attacks mention ACORN or Freddie Mac.

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Nippon5, I don't know that any of the sources you cite are coming from left of center.

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See Yabits my first post showed those on the left (you didnt say only Liberal Americans) have talked about and even tried it on Bush..

No, Nippon5, your post showed no such thing.

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Nippon5 writes: "Both extremes have nutjobs, and both have about the same amount of extremist who talk such crap as assassination."

That is a completely unfounded statement. When George W. Bush was awarded the presidency in a hotly contested election in 2000 -- an election where he lost the popular vote to Al Gore -- did authorities report hundreds of death threats? No.

The case rests as far as "same number of extremists." You simply want to believe that both sides are weighted equally without any evidence to back it up.

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"Obama can call all he wants. You can't legislate goodwill between people. He needs to act. Start with dissolving ACORN. Face the Freddy Mac crisis squarely. Admit that forcing banks to lend to buyers who are not creditworthy but happen to be minorities is not sound fiscal policy, no matter how far it goes in satisfying many liberals' pathological need to believe they are saving mankind from itself."

Here we go again... let's blame all these racial incidents and general intolerance on things that either happened in the 60s and have no relevance, or on bush's incompetence in economical matters leading to the current crises. Let's not talk about the racial problems -- let's just lash out against someone we have decided is our enemy simply because we lost the election!

Again, the usual childish drivel and misdirected anger from the righties who lost the election. Powder: why is it you cannot make a comment that says what the people in this article are doing is wrong? Do you condone such racism and the violent acts? How about actually addressing the issues? I make a comment about how Obama is reaching out to those who feel dissed by the majority of Americans voting for him, and you say the racist actions above are basically okay until Obama proves himself by fixing the economy.

Newsflash: reaching out IS action for battling racism; fixing the economy has nothing to do with the issue. You're point about 'action' is moot.

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Do the math.

According to the article there were "hundreds of hate crimes". Since it was the Southern Poverty Law Center that reported these "Hate crimes" my guess it's about 500 hundred just to be fair since the article doesn't give an exact figure.

There are 330 Million citizens of the United States of America. That would average out to likely 1 hate crime per 2 million americans. Not such a great statistic, but not so horrible as the AP tries to make it sound either

Remember also that the article said there was ONE case of physical violence in a nation of 330 million.

None of this is to justify hate crimes. Each and every one should be investigated and the perpertrators punished if guilty. However to suggest like the AP article did, that this nation has reverted to the rampant racism of years past is absurd and the numbers and just objectively reading the article bear that out.

This a slanted piece that is trying to pass itself off as objective journalism when it's not.

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And you dont know if any of the racist attacks on Obama are from the right...

Really Mark Thomas isnt a liberal? he says he is..

http://www.markthomasinfo.com/nsarticles/default.asp?id=7

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White guy death threats dont make good news... Sorry but thats the truth... Every president has had death threats against him coming into office, Obama just happens to be the first Black man coming into office and it makes Historic news to report anything related to a threat cause its a race thing now..

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"There have been hundreds of incidents since the election, many more than usual, said Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate crimes."

I don't doubt there have been a lot of hate crimes recently. Whether or not we have a rise in them I am not convinced, especially when the source is the Southern Poverty Law Center. The current definition, for political purposes, includes some pretty tame stuff. 'Hate crime' ia always out there. I believe it to be an unfortunate constant in America - and not America alone. For every crime like the ones detailed in the article above I would wager that there is not a little misguided triumphalism prompting Obama's supporters to also get ugly. Witness the fact that from the same web site where this report was probably culled from is one detailing how no less than six different federal agencies wanted to make private the records of this Joe the Plumber guy. In my book this is no less heinous than 'race hate', and I say that as someone who has more than once been a victim of a 'hate crime', though in modern America if you are or even appear 'white' and the perp isn't the agencies that monitor these don't consider your misfortune something to be classified as a 'hate crime.'

Each and every instance is unfortunate and morally indefensible.

Only an idiot would surmise that because you don't rush to frantically parade your conscience and your imaginary impeccable PC cred by denouncing them that you actually condone them.

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Also allot of the Racist things happening have been happening all along for years and years, now every racist thing that happens is because of Obama according to the news and lugnut political reporters...

I also hate Racism and thing people who are racist are morons, be it a black, white, yellow,brown, green, orange person being the racist...

As far as proof about if the left and right have the same amount of extremist, prove me wrong... But my opinion from reading many sites is that both have them and they seem to be equal... Also I read in the Latimes an article that explained the % of extremist and it was very close for each side.. I dont remember the article but it was this year I read it..

Real proof thats hard for either of us to prove since biased information is mostly what is out there..

I understand your logic, but its a shifting logic thats molding itself as you write, so Im just along to help finish the mold.. When you get it finished and have a firm statement it may be very accurate..

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sailwind: "There are 330 Million citizens of the United States of America. That would average out to likely 1 hate crime per 2 million americans. Not such a great statistic, but not so horrible as the AP tries to make it sound either"

You're right. We should be out celebrating there's not more hate crimes, instead of criticizing it.

"Remember also that the article said there was ONE case of physical violence in a nation of 330 million."

Oh my! Well, you all ought to go out in the street and shoot your guns up in the air in one big hoorah! Hell, if anyone gets killed by the bullets falling, you can just say, "Oh well... only 5 or 6 people in a nation of 330 million, so it's all good!"

"Each and every one should be investigated and the perpertrators punished if guilty. However to suggest like the AP article did, that this nation has reverted to the rampant racism of years past is absurd and the numbers and just objectively reading the article bear that out."

I agree with you on the first part, but I think you're taking the article out of context; it states that compared to threats against previous president elects and cases of post-election violence, incidents of violence and reported threats have been MUCH higher. And of course, much of them are racially driven, compared to with past post-elects, because Obama is half-black, and many racists like those quoted in the article think "they're country has gone to hell in the last few decades..." etc.

It seems only you feel like things are going out of control.

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Powder: "Only an idiot would surmise that because you don't rush to frantically parade your conscience and your imaginary impeccable PC cred by denouncing them that you actually condone them."

Says the guy who demanded to know why the 'libs' on this site weren't immediately denouncing the people in Afghanistan throwing acid in girls' faces. Sorry, powder, but the fact that you insist not agreeing with the war in Iraq equals supporting the terrorists, or likewise not immediately denouncing the enemies of bush, etc., means we support them, well... we can see through your hypocrisy. And you still haven't denounced the hate crimes going on -- you simply try to fob them off as being similar to media reports on the man McCain dragged into it; Joe the Plumber. Worse yet, you try to suggest that Obama supporters are happy with the racial incidents (where you are the one not denouncing them as you demand on other threads).

Tsk Tsk, my friend. Again, though, we can see through it all.

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"it states that compared to threats against previous president elects and cases of post-election violence, incidents of violence and reported threats have been MUCH higher."

Can we please bring just a little critical thinking to bear on this. Good old Yankee ingenuity (the internet, cell phones etc.) has resulted in greatly increased means whereby one can report such incidents.

So yes, I don't doubt that reports are up.

Up since the Catholic John Kennedy won the presidency? I don't know. I don't really care to speculate.

If the issue is race and the presidency, personally I'd say there are much, much bigger and positive stories out there.

It all depends on what your angle is.

I'm a little disappointed with the one this site has gone with.

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powder: "Up since the Catholic John Kennedy won the presidency? I don't know. I don't really care to speculate."

No need for speculation, it's a fact printed in the article and all others on the topic on the internet; the highest number of reported incidents EVER (post-election, against presidential-elect, etc.). There are definitely more positive stories out there, but does that mean this one should not be reported and people not made aware? I mean, it's not like this site, which you disparage, has ONLY this article on here.

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'powderfinger:"Each and every instance ["hate crime"] is unfortunate and morally indefensible."'

Well, good for you, then. It must have been tucked in with all your Joe the Plumber and other unrelated nonsense. My bad for not noticing. The rest of the comments hold true.

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Only an idiot would surmise that because you don't rush to frantically parade your conscience and your imaginary impeccable PC cred by denouncing them that you actually condone them.

Well I was excoriated for missing a deadline to issue such a denunciation on this site imposed by another poster!

One of the problems in this debate is many people are relying very heavily on blogs for their evidence. Anyone can post on a blog and there's no validation of the accuracy of the information.

If someone has abused access to confidential information, they should be held accountable, be it JTP, Obama's elderly Aunt, or Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, both of whom had their international travels reviewed by someone with access to passport records.

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One of the problems in this debate is many people are relying very heavily on blogs for their evidence. Anyone can post on a blog and there's no validation of the accuracy of the information.

The NAACP also said it has been receiving reports of threats, firings and intimidating acts. But the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights and the U.S. Department of Justice report no uptick in official complaints since the election.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/20081115_Hate_crimes_up_on_campuses__group_says.html

Who to believe? Who to believe? I'll stick with the Justice Department and the Civil Rights Commission on this one.

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The state of our nation, this is what happens when an old out dated power base is removed for a new. Happens all the time in politics nothing new.

Funny thing is this time folks are using the name of JFK along with Obama. Almost seems as they want something to happen.

I wonder why far right wing folks always blame blogs for all their woes. I have noticed folks here claiming that all these these cases about racist attacks and threats are really just bs made up by bloggers.

Too bad there is real video and testimony to back up these claims.

Funny thing is that it is the far right wingers spreading lies. Funny how they try to brush away racism as just simple acts perpetrated by kids. Funny how the far right is making claims that they were the oppressed this last election. THey claim that the media was against them. They claim that they were the victims. Funny thing is most of the media is controlled by far right wingers. Yeah real funny....

Shall we play a game?

Hell, how about the North Carolina Republicans trying to intimidate voters into not voting.

http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/2008/10/voting-rights-watch-voter-intimidation.asp

btw there is a link to a youtube video there also watch it. See how those poor right wingers heckle those evil voters from across the street. Almost reminded me of scenes from South Africa during "the good old days" as some of their far right wingers there used to called it.

Nice try far right wing, real nice try. But with Obama and the Democrats cleaning up this last election your hold on our nation is slowly losing it`s grip. Maybe after another election that far right wing grip will be a memory and nothing more.

Hell this nation may even fund EDUCATION with a Democrat in office. Scares the Far right media, an Educated America, real scary huh?

Brought to you by Independents who voted for Obama and real change.

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Too bad there is real video and testimony to back up these claims.

Just ignore the partisan commentary and watch the images of what carrying a McCain sign can do for you in liberal educated country.

Lot's of tolerance shown here.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=nQalRPQ8stI

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"Hell this nation may even fund EDUCATION with a Democrat in office. Scares the Far right media, an Educated America, real scary huh?"

Watch where Obama sends his kids to school.

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Lmao..

When a political person puts his reelection dreams aside and actually does whats good for the nation then you may see changes in the education system that will make changes that matter.. Throwing money at Education isn't going to change the push through under educated athletes get, the fact teachers wont get paid what they are worth(when schools get more federal money they spend it on administration and not teacher pay), they won't change the fact that most public education outlets are just intrested in passing as many kids as possible, and not the real education they need, they also wont change the fact the only exercice the kids get is walking from class to class...

But hey dump that money on Education, throw money at the banks, throw money to those who don't work.... Its not called change when you do that its called waste..

TO make a change we need to reconstruct the education system, the welfare system, the regulation system for banks, insurance, and medical companies including hospitals..

Or we can just play tennis with the blame ball,,,, Lefty did it,,,, right did it,,,, lefty did it,,, righty did it....

That brought to you from an Independent who actually voted for the independent canidate.....

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I voted for McCain and I am disappointed at the results of the election, but I didn't vote for McCain because he's white and Obama's black ( well, half black ). I voted for McCain because I trust him and I don't trust Obama and I don't like his politics. That being said,I am totally against any racist attacks on Obama and especially assassination threats against Obama.

"I hope Obama gets assassinated." - boy on a school bus

That boy needs a slap upside the head and a proper upbringing. Heck, if I said that and my dad heard it, he would've slapped me upside the head.

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If the States spent some money on education this crap wouldn't even enter the minds of the educated. What a load of cavemen! Get with the 21st Century and the one race there is, the HUMAN race.

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"If the States spent some money on education this crap wouldn't even enter the minds of the educated. "

Where is your sorry nation's Obama?

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Nippon5 writes: "As far as proof about if the left and right have the same amount of extremist, prove me wrong... But my opinion from reading many sites is that both have them and they seem to be equal..."

You have already been proven wrong, and it takes only common sense to do so. Seem to be equal? The wing that is demonstratably most supportive of non-violent approaches to conflicts is the one that is left of center. The right wing is the side that has ALWAYS argued the loudest to keep violent options on the table, including assassination of foreign leaders. (Note the rapid increase in gun and ammunition sales in the days following the election -- an overwhelmingly right-wing reaction.)

So the right-wingers seem to want to have it both ways: They can accuse the left of being hand-holding, Kumbaya-singing pacificts AND also somehow be violent, assassination-advocating extremists on a par with the right wing. Again, such is right-wing logic.

Lastly, I think you are being done in by the word "extremist." A left-winger who called for the abolition of war as an option to conflict would be labeled as an extremist by the right-wingers. And doing so puts the perverse spin on logic that enables some people to then come along and claim that the two sides are "equal."

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I am nation free my friend, nation free. I am a citizen of the planet and am not emotionally bound by state, nation or line I live beyond them. Plus, unfortunately for your knee-JERK reaction, this is about the USA. If your governments had put a tenth of 1% of the money spent on --for example-- the Cold War into education... you getting the first pixel of a very big picture?

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One of the problems in this debate is many people are relying very heavily on blogs for their evidence. Anyone can post on a blog and there's no validation of the accuracy of the information.

The surest way to be seen as a person with no credibility is to claim that a Google search tells you things like "the number of extremists are equal."

Note that the Southern Poverty Law Center also keeps track of things like the overt racist activity by several of the really hard-core black religious cults. Are those leftist extremists, by the way, just because they are black? I don't think so.

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Yang - "If the States spent some money on education"

You're right - President Bush asked for a measly $54 billion for education spending in 2007. Pitiful.

"I am nation-free"

A fugitive, perhaps?

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sarge: "That boy needs a slap upside the head and a proper upbringing. Heck, if I said that and my dad heard it, he would've slapped me upside the head."

I agree with you there, sarge. And everyone who supports what the little boy says needs a slap upside the head, too... or perhaps a kick with a frozen boot if said people are adults.

As to the rest of your comments, why you support a man who has proven to be even less trustworthy than bush (and I need not go into the dozens of lies he told and their results!), and not trust another guy simply because the person you blindly trust told you not to is beyond me. What's more, since you have said you don't trust Obama based on his 'inexperience', it's even more baffling that you go to bat for Palin, who takes the absolute trophy for lack of experience/knowledge about how things work. Fortunately, the nation saw through McCain/Palin's lies (and therefore the fact that you can't trust them) and voted in a man whom you can. Even more fortunately, because of him you're going to be able to continue to have our opinion and verbally express it, whereas with a Republican government they might continue along bush's path of taking away your rights and freedoms and turning the US into a communist country -- or rather, a capitalist country for the rich, and a censored slum for the rest of you (in which they can take you into custody for no reason and simply say it's for 'national security' if you don't agree with them).

But I'm getting way off track here. Again, I agree with your comment about the boy. Discrimination has no place in today's world, and should not at all be tolerated regardless of the age/sex/background, etc.

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For those who complain that unruly mobs who attended Obama rallies didn't get the same coverage as those at McCain/Palin events, presumably reflecting mainstream media bias, they are overlooking the different campaign strategies.

McCain decided to make his campaign about "the real Barack Obama," a man "who palled with terrorists." So when he got to the point of asking the crowd, "who is the real Obama?" it's not surprising he was told "a terrorist" which predictably led to cries of "kill him."

Michelle Obama apparently became quite concerned her kids' safety, an understandable reaction. McCain had to correct a woman who answered "an Arab." "Oh no, he's a good family man" explained the aging Senator.

When I read about that I wondered why he didn't just stick to the issues? Well, he couldn't explain them, specifically his health care reform package that included a tax credit (income redistribution!) Or he'd discuss problems on the Pakistan-Iraq border when they don't share one.

Ditto for Sarah Palin. As Dick Cavett observed with respect to her explanation for the importance of Darfur, "It’s admittedly a rare gift to produce a paragraph in which whole clumps of words could be removed without noticeably affecting the sense, if any." Charlie Gibson admitted "getting lost in the blizzard of words."

Some complained about the lack of substance in Obama's soaring rhetoric, but it never elicited responses of "kill him" from the crowd.

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Betzee: You raise some good points. They should merely be reminders for those who chose so quickly to forget, but they bring up the issue once again anyway. John McCain and Sarah Palin are largely responsible for the 'lack of trust' people like sarge feel for Obama. After all, as you pointed out, Betzee, they 'energized' the crowd -- or at least stirred them into a fury -- based on lies, extremely stretched truths, and then hardly bothered to correct any of the people that screamed out 'terrorist!' and 'He's an Arab!' as a result. Now that the saviours of the country were defeated, and Arab terrorist Obama won, the supporters of McCain/Palin are extremely let down and confused, and some nuts clearly think they are justified in the threats and attacks against the president elect.

Even people who aren't engaged in and don't condone these attacks still harbour unjustified and abnormal fears and distrust towards Obama thanks to McCain/Palin's lies, while claiming the latter are 'trustworthy'. Hahaha... it's frankly astounding how moronic some people can be.

If McCain had only stuck to being himself and speaking like he has as a Senator, I could have respected him more and seen some leadership qualities in him. More importantly, though, he wouldn't have fed into what a lot of bigots desired to hear, and likely there were be much less of what's going on actually going on.

Moderator: Readers, please stay on topic. This thread is not about McCain or Palin.

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Why are people so beastly to Obama? IWhy would anyone want to kill such a lovely man? It makes me want to cry? I hope nobody can hurt him, he won fair and square, it's called democracy.

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Sarge said:

That being said,I am totally against any racist attacks on Obama and especially assassination threats against Obama.

Excellent comment. It is great to hear you say that. I knew you were not a racist. I am not sure whether a comment I posted got pulled or not. I did say in a comment that I knew from your comments that you were not racist. I wanted to add that because I think it is important to say it came as no surprise whatsoever to hear you condemn racism.

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I just think it is funny how this election and its aftermath have really shown the who's who of the US electorate. I had always assumed that the republican base were a bunch of gun totting red necks who were often more closely related than most nations deem acceptable. Now, after so many of the less extreme have jumped ship for a more secure vessel, it is obvious. I would be embarrassed to be linked to that party. Unfortunately, there are just way too many of these lunatics gunning for Obama. I'm afraid the Republicans still have a little more shame to bring out.

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"it's not surprising he was told "a terrorist" which predictably led to cries of "kill him."

The Secret Service looked into these incidents. They never happened.

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I'm disappointed at the race/Obama attacks. This is the result of poor parenting to begin with, then there are the racist who even though their parents tried they hang around with KKK minded individuals.

It's not the result of poor schooling. Schools do a good job of teaching racial relations, it's what happens after they walk out of school.

Sarge said - Heck, if I said that and my dad heard it, he would've slapped me upside the head.

My mother would have corrected me and my grandmother would have washed my mouth out with soap.

My Dad was a racist though. Nothing could be said to change it. He wasn't raised that way, he just was. (Nothing I ever though from a really bright man.)

We just have to try harder to be Americans, not racist. < :-)

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I think the point is that there was no significant racism directed toward McCain or Palin. Black voters, considering the exit poll studies of how they voted, may have shown a lot of race favoritism. However that is hardly in the same league as the racism directed against Obama.

Obama's lack of experience was a real issue. However, nothing prevents a real issue from being used as a proxy for prejudicial rejection and racism. And when the real issue takes on the quality of a mindless chant and when those who take up the chant ignore the experience that Obama did and does have, there is every reason to suspect that the underlying cause is racism--and that is giving the benefit of the doubt that what underlies it is not simple stupidity.

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powderfinger,

The Secret Service could not verify that those incidents happened. Neither could they verify that those incidents did not happen.

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October 17 Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded By Andrew M. Seder aseder@timesleader.com Staff Writer

SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.

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Anything that is seen as a slight against Obama will be made into a big issue. There are so many similar incidents directed against Bush and Republicans in general. The worst incident was an ad by the Democrat's during the 2000 election. James Byrd's daughter associated the possibility of Bush's election as President as being akin to the dragging death of her father. Let's also not forget about the man in California who hung Gov. Palin in effigy.

All that being said, all of this anger against Obama using blacks as a proxy is ignorant.

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People voted for Obama because he was the best cabdisate,a nd hunky and cool. Mccain was an old fogey. people who want to kill Obama are Jelous of his intelligence and good looks and style.

America is great again, freedom for all, whooopeee!!!

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Racism wasn't an issue in the election? Judging by what the Secret Service is reporting, it would appear that wasn't exactly true.

The most disheartening thing here is the 9-year old hoping Obama were killed or a busload of 8 and 9-year olds chanting "assassinate Obama." You can be certain these kids didn't think these things up on their own, but rather were coached into parroting their own parents' racist garbage. How do you combat something like people using their children in lieu of having the courage to air their views publicly?

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I don't know why some whites keep insisting that Obama will ruin everything. Be advised that it has already been ruined. Who could possibly do any worst than what has happened in the last 8 years. Mistakes by white politicians seem to be ok but if he happens to be black then there will be hell to pay. They need to take a chill pill, Obama is arguable the most capable politician the world has seen in the last 50 years.

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http://www.cfr.org/publication/9236/

People should read this its a report on what groups did terrorism and attacks based on political swing..

According to the report until the 1990 the left had the market on the terrorist activity inside the US and only recently the right has become a force in that department.

It also goes on to state that

Although environmental extremists were responsible for nearly all the domestic terrorist attacks between 2002 and 2005, right-wing extremists are still considered the most dangerous to the United States, says the SPLC

So it seems the potential for severe attacks comes from the right, but most attacks are from the left....

Good read if anyone is intrested in it...

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"They need to take a chill pill, Obama is arguable the most capable politician the world has seen in the last 50 years."

Arguably is right. Can you provide even one example, one act of legislation Obama has authored that would qualify your assertion? His only real executive experience appears to be the nonprofit education board he chaired, a job he got from the domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. They had a budget of 150 million. They wasted it on grants and programs which did absolutely nothing to improve academic performance in Chicago schools. Instead, the bulk of what they gave away went to questionable programs that sought to radicalize kids with the usual lefty emphasis on identity politics, victimhood and probably not a little of Obama's pet project of getting younger generations to eschew what his black liberation preacher called 'middleclassness.'

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godDonkey - Thanks.

Everton2: "Obama is arguably the most capable politician the world has een in the last 50 years"

He is arguably the politician with the most charisma in the last 50 years. He was capable of getting elected. That may be the extent of it.

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powderfinger at 08:17 PM JST - 16th November Watch where Obama sends his kids to school.

The only place his kids can be secure is in a school that is used to that kind of security. How can you or any one else who calls themselves Americans ask him to do any different.

With the amount of death threats against him and his family by the far right where do you want him to send his kids?

Obama is going to be the President of the United States of America.

Hey maybe for the Right Wingers here he should send them to a public school? Would you like that? Would you like to see members of the First Family put into harms way?

Wow you far right wingers here are real radicals sometimes.

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He is arguably the politician with the most charisma in the last 50 years.

I think Bill Clinton still holds that honor.

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And maybe even Ronald Reagan to a large extent.

Moderator: Back on topic please.

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Aaaaaaaaand . . . this thread is dead.

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The reality is that Obama saved all your American asses from being an international clown. The reports are that Americans are now experiencing a new level of tolerance. No longer do people burst into uncontrolled laughter when they enter a room or their permanently raised voices are heard. Barack Obama has rescued America's pathetic international reputation by his share calm, intelligence and charisma. That is exactly what the world believes that is why he continues to garnish all that international support from Britain, France, Germany etc . Too bad for some of you he is a black man, you should all be on bended knees.

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"Barack Obama has rescued America's pathetic international reputation by his share calm, intelligence and charisma"

America allowed Obama to share his "calm intelligence."

Why won't your country allow minorities the same? Where is your Obama?

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Everton2: "Obama is arguably the most capable politician the world has een in the last 50 years"

Someone could be in for a world of disappointment. He MIGHT be capable. The jury's out -- and that's the biggest understatement the world has seen in the last 50 years.

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If he runs the White House, the way he ran the campaign then it is all good!!!

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If he runs the White House, the way he ran the campaign then it is all good!!!

No doubt he'll continue to be a good puppet.

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that's why the Eurasian Union (E.A.U.) will succeed where the U.S. has failed. our integration will occur very gradually, very slowly over 10 to 20,000 years. remember the story of the rabbit and the turtle? rabbit lost.

there's a bipolar disorder present in the U.S. it's a 'you're an indian' and a black/white mindset that pervades the citizenry. it doesn't help when your country is founded on a crime against humanity, i.e. taking lands and forcefully evicting native peoples who've been there for at least seven thousand years or so.

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Am I the only person who sees that Obama is mixed race? Why does everyone refer to him as black or african-american? Doesn't his white heritage count?

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No, it doesn't count. Your only a mix if your ancestry doesn't have any African blood in the USA. I truly find that sad as it seems like its "legal racism".

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It shouldn't count for anything, being either black or white. But sadly, for some, it does.

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Teaabe,

I think you’re confused as to where you’re actually from. On one thread about Japan taking the lead in “a new global financial order,” you replied:

why should Japan shoulder the burden from a mess that was created by the U.S. in the first place? we are not a slave.

“We”? So, you’re Japanese?

Then on this thread you write:

that's why the Eurasian Union (E.A.U.) will succeed where the U.S. has failed. our integration will occur very gradually, very slowly over 10 to 20,000 years.

“Our”? Okay. So, you’re from the European Union? Which is it?

Meanwhile, you don't seem to have very exacting standards. From 10 years to 20,000 to integrate ethnic minorites? The United States has been working at it for almost 300 years, so we certainly fall into your range of “very gradually.”

What is it exactly that Europe does better than the U.S. in terms of incorporating its ethnic minorities, because I’m not seeing any distinct advantage. The 2005 ethnic minority riots in France in are a prime example. In terms of biggies, you might recall the ethnicity-driven wars in the Balkans throughout the 90s, culminating in the liberal use of “ethnic cleansing,” and requiring U.N. intervention, spearheaded by . . . The United States.

it doesn't help when your country is founded on a crime against humanity, i.e. taking lands and forcefully evicting native peoples who've been there for at least seven thousand years or so.

Europeans (if that’s what you really are) are probably the last people on the planet to be lecturing anyone about the evils of Colonialism and taking lands. Europeans raised it to an art form.

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Am I the only person who sees that Obama is mixed race? Why does everyone refer to him as black or african-american? Doesn't his white heritage count?

You should ask Obama that, since he's identified himself as an "African American."

Open-minded Americans, White and Black, need to unite against these bigots. The victory of Obama in the election is already reviving America's reputation around the world as a nation that keeps its fundamental promises and we can't let people like these morons praying for assassinations to ruin it.

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he's identified himself as an "African American."

I distinctly heard him identify himself as 'a mutt'.

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Take a look at the newest racial threats against Obama.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081119/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_al_qaida_obama

I'm sure these racist, Southern whites will be amused that their thoughts are in line with that of one of the highest ranked terrorists in Al Q.

I distinctly heard him identify himself as 'a mutt'.

Then you should take another look at his talks regarding the issue.

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I think they just need a hug.

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A guy gets elected who thinks it is okay to say: US of White America; US of KKK A; and the U.S. government created AIDS to kill blacks.

Looks like the chickens are coming home to roost.

Nothing in obama's history allows him to stake a claim of being racially neutral.

RR

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The US is doing okay. Colin Powell, Condi Rice, and now Obama. Not to mention all the non-white people in business, sports and the media. There will always be a certain minority who are racist, but every country has that.

I get sick of people accusing the US of being a racist country, and even more sick of people from racist countries accusing the US of being racist even after Obama was elected.

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A sweet cute, kindman is elected who loves all amnkind.

America is doing the right thing for once, god bless.

The chickens are coming home to roost!!!

Obama loves all creeds, minorities and persons of different sexual prefrences.

MB

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