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Motive a mystery in fatal California school shooting

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By STEFANIE DAZIO and JOHN ANTCZAK

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The remedy to firearm violence is clearly more firearms, more thoughts, and more prayers.

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The entire incident is tragic. But the question must be asked and answered. Where did the teen get the semi-automatic pistol? Whoever left the weapon unsecured should be held criminally liable. The NRA likes to prattle about responsible gun owners. Where was the responsible gun owner in this tragedy?

It’s sad all the way around. Adolescence is hard enough to get through. Add mental illness and the ease of obtaining a gun and it gets worse. What a world kids have to grow up in these days. My heart cries for humanity.

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“Where was the responsible gun owner in this tragedy?”

Its been reported that at least some of the guns found in the home were legally registered to the boy’s father. But the father died in 2017, which raises the question of what happens to guns after the death of an owner? It’s also been reported that the father was a chronic alcoholic and had either been divorced by the shooter’s mother or was in the process of that at the time of his death. So maybe, in spite of being a good student, athlete, Boy Scout, and fun and kind boy, he was dealing with a not so great home life?

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which raises the question of what happens to guns after the death of an owner?

They are given to whomever is named in the will or entitled to them under the intestacy statute of the state.

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The NRA likes to prattle about responsible gun owners. Where was the responsible gun owner in this tragedy?

The individual that didn’t secure the firearm properly.

It’s sad all the way around. Adolescence is hard enough to get through. Add mental illness and the ease of obtaining a gun and it gets worse. What a world kids have to grow up in these days. My heart cries for humanity.

Mine too.

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The remedy to firearm violence is clearly more firearms, more thoughts, and more prayers.

cant help but think of a revolving door meat grinder when it comes to gun violence on the US, just keep feeding in the students and theyll get mowed down on the other side, more tears more sole searching but nothing meaningful ever done , all in the name of the 2nd and an outdated ideology

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The individual that didn’t secure the firearm properly.

humans make mistakes always will so while weapons of death are easily available the slaughter will continue.

Its it strange that countries with low or restricted gun ownership have far less gun massacres as those that do.

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Chip StarToday  03:15 pm JST

which raises the question of what happens to guns after the death of an owner?

“They are given to whomever is named in the will or entitled to them under the intestacy statute of the state.”

So it’s possible they could be inherited by someone who wouldn’t be able to meet requirements to legally obtain and register them on their own? If that’s correct it seems there are some loopholes that need to be fixed.

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humans make mistakes always will so while weapons of death are easily available the slaughter will continue.

Until the end of time, that is unless you want to infringe on peoples rights and violate the 2nd amendment.

Its it strange that countries with low or restricted gun ownership have far less gun massacres as those that do.

But they have other societal issues and you don’t need guns to cause havoc and chaos in a community.

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The gun was at fault obviously, the tool user was compelled by some evil force lurking within. Failure to understand and address the new biological, chemical, and psychological processes affecting childhood will ensure flare ups will continue.

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Failure to understand and address the new biological, chemical, and psychological processes affecting childhood will ensure flare ups will continue

Don't often see those 'flare ups' in other countries wth those sames new processes. Wonder why. Oh yeah! It's all the guns.

Yous have to stop the scapegoating and address the actual problem.

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Until the end of time, that is unless you want to infringe on peoples rights and violate the 2nd amendment.

and I assume that the 20,000+ gun related deaths in the US every year is worth it so as long as people rights arent infringed. US homicide rate per capita is 5~10 times higher than any other 1st world country meaning your 5 times more likely to be murdered in the US that any other . Does this mean American are far more homicides than any other 1st world country or is there something else

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The greedy loudmouth NRA cult leader Wayne LaPierre is gloating today. He's been shrieking that 'so-and-so' is gonna take ALLLLLL our guns away, gonna search your homes, yeah! He don't care if his cult and the criminals are white, black, whatever and he cares only about spreading hysteria and raking in the moolah and influencing politicians. George H W Bush was wise to quit his NRA membership in 1995. That's when LaPierre praised the Murray building terrorist bombing in Oklahoma City by Tim McVeigh and other hatemonger scum.

Wayne LaPierre is a domestic terrorist and he is largely to blame for this violent climate plaguing the USA today! He doesn't care if it's at a school, music fest, shopping mall or who dun it. He is a lying scumbag.

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Modern culture has taught the young that there is no such thing as personal responsibility, that self reflection is unnecessary, that someone else is always to blame for your personal unhappiness, that we are victims.

In reality there has never been a time in human history when there has been more opportunities, the potential for positive change for humanity has never been greater, more people have climbed out of poverty in the last 30 years it is literally mind boggling.

Human nature seems to be to dismiss all of the positive and to encourage pathology. Blaming guns is to ignore a culture that is sick and out of touch with reality. The reason things are different now is not the availability of guns - which have always been available- but the social conditioning that raises a generation of people incapable of dealing with reality. It’s really sad.

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So it’s possible they could be inherited by someone who wouldn’t be able to meet requirements to legally obtain and register them on their own? If that’s correct it seems there are some loopholes that need to be fixed.

That is correct. In the US, inheretence laws vary by state, but to my knowledge there is no requirement that the executor run background checks on those receiving firearms. It's incumbent upon the recipient to disclaim the firearms of the recipient is ineligible to own firearms.

The firearms laws in the US a far too lax, full stop. Most places with strict firearms laws aren't islands. So, as in Chicago, firearms flow in from places like Indiana that have lax firearms laws.

Hawaii, however, is an island and a great example of how firearms control laws reduce firearm violence. A slight amount of research demonstrates that the crime rate for other types of crime isn't as low as the firearm violence when compared to other states, which means it's not a result of "a different culture" in Hawaii.

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Modern culture has taught the young that there is no such thing as personal responsibility, that self reflection is unnecessary, that someone else is always to blame for your personal unhappiness, that we are victims.

If this is correct, how do you explain all the old conservatives that feel their is no such thing as personal responsibility, that self-reflection is unnecessary, and that someone else is always to blame? Donny, of course, being the prime example.

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Gun supporters are more concerned to protect their 2nd amendment rights than the rights of others to live.

No, it’s because I’m concerned about lives, I deeply support the 2nd amendment.

They are not even interested in new regulations which would improve the situation while still allowing them to keep their guns

I’m not for any regulation that would empower Democrats to chip away at the 2nd amendment.

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The greedy loudmouth NRA cult leader Wayne LaPierre is gloating today. He's been shrieking that 'so-and-so' is gonna take ALLLLLL our guns away, gonna search your homes, yeah!

If the Democrats had their way and if they had the White House that’s something that isn’t a fantasy or dream. That is a very possible scenario.

*He don't care if his cult and the criminals are white, black, whatever and he cares only about spreading hysteria and raking in the moolah and influencing politicians. *

Actually, he doesn’t need to do that The Democrats are already doing that what’s going on the campaign trail and expressing what they will do if they are elected, they’re actually doing the opposite, they’re helping to increase sales

George H W Bush was wise to quit his NRA membership in 1995.

Bush doesn’t need to own a gun he’s a former president with Secret Service to protect him for the next 25 years and guess what they all have guns.

*Wayne LaPierre is a domestic terrorist and he is largely to blame for this violent climate plaguing the USA today! *

that is something you would expect to hear from them haters and people that oppose the Second Amendment, no surprise, they're not trying to even understand the other side

*He doesn't care if it's at a school, music fest, shopping mall or who dun it. He is a lying *scumbag.

No he does cares, we all care we just don’t care what liberals and gun haters have to say and that is the reason why we want the option for teachers to be allowed to carry firearms in the schools if they so wish to or at least to be trained in the use of firearms and having the ability to access one, if need be.

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Modern culture has taught the young that there is no such thing as personal responsibility, that self reflection is unnecessary, that someone else is always to blame for your personal unhappiness, that we are victims.

True everywhere. What not true everywhere? Quik and easy access to guns.

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Motive a mystery in fatal California school shooting

Once again looking for 'motive' when it was just another case of someone carrying a gun using it.

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I’m not for any regulation that would empower Democrats to chip away at the 2nd amendment.

You are for depriving people of their liberty in mental healthcare facilities to prevent them from possibly using a firearm for a massacre.

Strip people their liberty just so you can have easy access to weapons.

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If the Democrats had their way and if they had the White House that’s something that isn’t a fantasy or dream. That is a very possible scenario.

No.

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The greedy loudmouth NRA cult leader Wayne LaPierre is gloating today. He's been shrieking that 'so-and-so' is gonna take ALLLLLL our guns away, gonna search your homes, yeah!

If the Democrats had their way and if they had the White House that’s something that isn’t a fantasy or dream. That is a very possible scenario.

If that were true then why didn't Obama start that up? He even half-jokingly quipped about that stupid myth himself. Obama was POTUS for 8 years and he didn't do anything close to taking guns from people. Nonetheless, Loudmouth LaPierre kept on yapping and his sheep followed obediently. Pathetic.

> George H W Bush was wise to quit his NRA membership in 1995.

Bush doesn’t need to own a gun he’s a former president with Secret Service to protect him for the next 25 years and guess what they all have guns.

This is the late George Bush I'm talking about, not W.

Wayne LaPierre is a domestic terrorist and he is largely to blame for this violent climate plaguing the USA today!

that is something you would expect to hear from them haters and people that oppose the Second Amendment, no surprise, they're not trying to even understand the other side

Ain't nobody opposing the 2nd Amendment - nobody. That's a crock and you know it. You don't need an M-16 to hunt bears and you don't need armor-piercing bullets or a rocket launcher to defend your home. And you don't need to have stupid loonies carrying guns everywhere - the Old West is long gone and concealed carry is just an excuse for criminal scumpots to murder people they don't like (Jews, Blacks, etc.) and use the obvious lie of 'he was gonna...' or 'he did it first' or 'I had to before he could even think about doing it...'. and all that blah blah blah. It's all an EXCUSE for the immature, sociopathic, weak-minded and hateful. And Wayne LaPierre is a domestic terrorist loudmouth who cares about nobody but himself. He causes nothing but trouble and he needs to shut up.

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Chip StarToday 10:07 am JSTI’m not for any regulation that would empower Democrats to chip away at the 2nd amendment.

You are for depriving people of their liberty in mental healthcare facilities to prevent them from possibly using a firearm for a massacre.

Strip people their liberty just so you can have easy access to weapons.

That's right, now. Deprive people of their Constitutional rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness (not to mention the right to live in peace) just to let some gun-worshipping fanatical hateful cretin get access to and openly carry a weapon like the unmanly criminal belligerent bully thug that he really is. People like that watch too many violent movies and read too many storybooks and they never grew up.

Ask any cop about these things. Any cop worth their salt would tell you all about their responsibilities and the risks they take every day because of these hothead bozos. They hate having to pull someone over because of the risk of a jerk disciple of the now-cult NRA.

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