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Horrible, horrible. There is a Islamic holy war going on in the West as we have seen recently in Australia and now in Oklahoma. Non-radical Muslims really need to step up and take control of the direction of their religion.

“I am convinced those actions saved the lives of several other employees,” said Whetsel.

Here's a case where a lawful gun-owner saved a lot of innocent people from being killed or injured.

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Islamic leaders all over the world Must Condemn these "radical" Muslims. Many seem to quietly have no opinion and even seem to look the other way with these "Radicals".

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Sounds more like another American nutter than a Muslim extremist who's only available weapon to vent was a knife?

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Not at all zichi. This guy was actively trying to convert others into Islam. This guy likely will be found to have "sympathetic" or web research into ISIS. A direct copy-cat of what those nuts are doing.

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I a totallly pacifist and anti-gun, but I admit that if I had just seen this guy decapitate a woman and I had a gun in my hand, I would have shot him in the head to kill him instantly, not just shoot to injure. Just to be honest.

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Actually I'm glad he survived, cos he's going to have to face the consequences of his stupidity. Just maybe it might sink in that jumping on the newest (well maybe not so new) cult phenomenon isn't the smartest thing to do. This guy was claimed to be a recent "convert" but I bet you he probably hasn't even read a single word of the Qur'an, prayed a single prayer, just had a BLT a few days ago with some beer, saw stuff on the news and thought it was easy to just dress up a certain way and run around spouting ignorance.

But he's just going to go down for murder because he's a psychopath. Even I know that the Islamists don't like kafir fakers.

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Lots of these types of prison converts to Islam. Nutter, indeed. As well as being an ex-con, this individual obviously has a huge chip on his shoulder.

Thank Guns that the company exec was armed and trained. It's tragic that one person was so gruesomely killed by this savage. Now, let him hang.

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@Bgood41, according to Obama? You must be remembering the noted theologist G. "Dubya" Bush who borrowed the pacifist interpretation from the former prime minister of Malaysia, per wikipedia:

In September 2001, U.S. President George W. Bush publicly endorsed this latter view [of Mahathir bin Mohamad], stating that "Islam is peace": “ The English translation is not as eloquent as the original Arabic, but let me quote from the Koran, itself: "In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil. For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule." The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war.[12]"

Bush must have had a photographic memory to be able to quote the Koran like that! Hipster frat boy Yalies really know what it is "all about," don't they!

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"Sounds more like another American nutter than a Muslim extremist who's only available weapon to vent was a knife?"

I will never understand why even intelligent people cannot bring themselves to blame Muslims when Muslims do bad things in the name of Islam.

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I will never understand why even intelligent people cannot bring themselves to blame Muslims when Muslims do bad things in the name of Islam.

Where in the article does it say anything about the bloke going postal in the name of Islam? He'd just been sacked. Considering that he was barging into his former place of employment, and that there is no mention of him screaming 'Allah Akbar', isn't it reasonable to assume that he killed because he is a nutter, not because he is a Muslim terrorist? (The conversion to Islam could also be an indication of nuttiness, but I'm not going there....)

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Well, I am not an islamapologist, but in this particular case, the guy seems to have had mental issued already before he converted. Not that that helped, though.

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Hi, Cleo. This is from the article above.

"A worker who had recently tried to convert colleagues to Islam beheaded one of them in a frenzied knife rampage after being fired from his job, police in Oklahoma said Friday."

According to ABC news in the US his attempting to convert fellow workers to Islam was the main reason he was fired. SInce this is the first instance of workplace violence involving the removal of a head which just seems to be the M.O. of Islamic militants I think it's reasonable to reach the conclusion that this was done in the name of Islam.

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So this guy was fired for being a Muslim and trying to convert others... wow, I can think of a half dozen of my American colleagues who would be out of a job for trying to convert me if the same logic was applied to Christians. I've been "invited" to their churches about a hundred times (and I've gone to about a dozen of these events because I like these people and I can understand that their religion is important to them).

My point is that this guy lost it because he'd been fired for doing something that his Christian colleagues do every day. He's still nuts for deciding that the solution was to kill random people, but there's an underlying issue here that discriminating against Muslims seems okay in the US playbook right now, just like it was okay to discriminate against Russians during the Cold War. In that sort of environment, where someone is subjected to daily stress and discrimination just because of their religion it is inevitable that someone will crack.

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I think it's reasonable to reach the conclusion that this was the work of a nutter. A nutter of a slightly different flavour to the usual American mass-killer nutter - uses a knife instead of a gun, runs riot in the workplace instead of a school, college or shopping mall and only manages to kill one and injure one, instead of the usual double-digit fatalities - but a mass-killer nutter all the same.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/fbi-says-mass-shootings-happening-at-an-alarming-rate-20140925-10lnlw.html

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" My point is that this guy lost it because he'd been fired for doing something that his Christian colleagues do every day. He's still nuts for deciding that the solution was to kill random people "

Well, you could turn that around and point out that Christian nutters do not usually behead people when they feel upset.

And don´t say that they could not find a reason to be upset, just open the news and check how often they are forbidden to use their words and symbols and whatever. It is not as if they could not concoct a reason to get angry from that.

Again, I agree that this guy probably had mental issues, but you can not whitewash the fact that concepts like jihad and martyrdom are particular to his new religion. So again, his conversion hardly helped.

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"My point is that this guy lost it because he'd been fired for doing something that his Christian colleagues do every day."

According to the report by ABC Nolen also threatened violence to people who refused his attempts at conversions. I don't know if Christians do that or not but either way religion should be a person's private business and the office is not the place to recruit. Full disclosure; I'm an atheist so I generally don't favor when group over the other except when violence is used.

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WillB

Well, you could turn that around and point out that Christian nutters do not usually behead people when they feel upset.

But they do knife and shoot them at pointblank range and in America in higher numbers than Muslims?

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"But they do knife and shoot them at pointblank range and in America in higher numbers than Muslims?"

Yes, we knife and shoot each other at an alarming rate but that is not beheading. Beheading is something that only Muslims and drug cartels from South America do.

"You mean like those Christian nutters from the dark ages that burned, drowned and hung people accused of witchcraft and heresy??" Can I deduce from this statement that Muslims are still living in the Dark Ages?

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Sounds more like another American nutter than a Muslim extremist who's only available weapon to vent was a knife?

No, more like a radical, Muslim extremist, enough with the formalities and let's call it what it is. Just like when Eric Holder called the Fort Hood shooting "workplace violence," what a joke.

@frungy

So this guy was fired for being a Muslim and trying to convert others... wow, I can think of a half dozen of my American colleagues who would be out of a job for trying to convert me if the same logic was applied to Christians.

Yeah, right. Make a list and let's compare how many Christians within the last year have beheaded people and match that to the Jihadists that beheaded thousands and thousands of Muslims and Non-muslims, I'll bet that list of Muslim radicals will go on for miles.

My point is that this guy lost it because he'd been fired for doing something that his Christian colleagues do every day.

Beheading people???

He's still nuts for deciding that the solution was to kill random people, but there's an underlying issue here that discriminating against Muslims seems okay in the US playbook right now, just like it was okay to discriminate against Russians during the Cold War.

Different. The Russians although wanting to impose a Communist ideology across the Globe weren't forcing people to adopt a religion that is oppressive towards women, female castration, non-believers, other religions, advocates public beatings, tortures, praying, eating a certain way.

In that sort of environment, where someone is subjected to daily stress and discrimination just because of their religion it is inevitable that someone will crack.

Then that person needs to be locked up and prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows and if they go around chopping off peoples heads, they should be locked up forever and do hard, hard time on top of that.

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@samwatters

SInce this is the first instance of workplace violence involving the removal of a head which just seems to be the M.O. of Islamic militants I think it's reasonable to reach the conclusion that this was done in the name of Islam. Slow clap

And @Frungy. It's widely known that muslims are treated pretty well in the US. Show me the widespread attacks against American muslims.

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'Islamic leaders all over the world Must Condemn these "radical" Muslims. Many seem to quietly have no opinion and even seem to look the other way with these "Radicals".'

Try googling "Muslim leaders condemn ISIS". But this doesn't usually get big headlines in the western media.

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The violence was exotic but disgruntled employees and ex-employees "going postal" is commonplace in the US. But since the murderer was a Muslim and beheaded his victim we would obliged, if following Obama logic, to bomb Oklahoma.

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For folks that believe that this vicious murder was just another workplace incident, well all I have to say is, look at what he wrote and what he thought about before he committed the murder.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/09/181797-8-chilling-facts-oklahoma-beheading-suspects-alleged-facebook-page-reveal-true-motives/

Jah'Keem Yisrael was a religious fanatic that supported ISIS and their radical views.

His facebook page if you want to waste your time looking into the mind of a religious zealot

https://www.facebook.com/alton.threadgill

Facts are easy to dispute if you just avoid them.

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He was trying to convert. That is an interesting statement. He had not converted. Had a mosque rejected him? Maybe they decided he was not suitable. We don't know. What does seem apparent is that he is American, so why don't we blame Americans and there culture of violence?

Oklahoma has been a hotbed of terrorism since the 1990s or maybe even earlier. I am pretty certain Timothy McVeigh had no connection with Islam. The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, a white supremacist group, I am even more certain of. Don't blame Islam.

He probably worked out that if he shot someone, a common enough event in the land of the gun, it would not have been newsworthy outside local papers. Behead someone and you even get a mention in Japantoday, you go worldwide.

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wolfpack: "Here's a case where a lawful gun-owner saved a lot of innocent people from being killed or injured."

No proof the actions of the gun-owner saved a single soul, only hypotheticals. He did stop him, and for that the guy deserves the praise he's getting. No proof that he could not have done it without a gun, though.

samwatters; "I will never understand why even intelligent people cannot bring themselves to blame Muslims when Muslims do bad things in the name of Islam."

You should have just stopped at: "I will never understand...", because those who DO understand know that intelligent people do not blame the belief system of a quarter of the world for the actions of a few, even IF the actions are done in the name of said system. Here it is a LOT easier to assume the guy lost it because he was sacked than because of any belief system, regardless of trying to convert people in the past.

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Gaijintraveller:

" He was trying to convert. That is an interesting statement. He had not converted. Had a mosque rejected him? Maybe they decided he was not suitable. We don't know. "

He had converted in prison, and no mosque rejected him. He was fired, among other things, for getting into heated arguments with co-workers about "stoning".... according to his views, adulterous women must be stoned to death. And yes, we do know this, it is all on record.

Here is is facebook page. Nice guy. Why don´t you take a look, before speculating:

https://www.facebook.com/alton.threadgill?fref=ts

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cleoSep. 27, 2014 - 02:04PM JST

"I think it's reasonable to reach the conclusion that this was the work of a nutter. A nutter of a slightly different flavour to the usual American mass-killer nutter "

As if most Americans are mass-killer nutters, lol.

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WilliBSep. 27, 2014 - 02:22PM JST

" My point is that this guy lost it because he'd been fired for doing something that his Christian colleagues do every day. He's still nuts for deciding that the solution was to kill random people "

Well, you could turn that around and point out that Christian nutters do not usually behead people when they feel upset.

And that would be an entirely false comparison because Christian nutters are privileged. They know that they won't be fired for their nutty religious statements.

Just look at the anti-abortion "Christians" standing outside clinics yelling death-threats at women and girls, and the police do NOTHING.

This guy was fired, and that's a scary level of discrimination... more than enough to set off someone with underlying mental issues.

samwattersSep. 27, 2014 - 03:14PM JST

"My point is that this guy lost it because he'd been fired for doing something that his Christian colleagues do every day."

According to the report by ABC Nolen also threatened violence to people who refused his attempts at conversions.

Have you walked outside an abortion clinic? You don't have a point. Those "Christians" threaten violence against dozens of people every day, and have carried out murders, kidnappings, assaults, and bombings.

You don't have a point.

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nutcase.

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Nothing to see here folks. Just another case of "workplace violence." You know, like Major Hasan at Ft. Hood...

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We need to be thankful for the people that elect to carry guns.

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My point is that this guy lost it because he'd been fired for doing something that his Christian colleagues do every day

I am pretty sure you are incorrect. I believe most US businesses do not want you to proselytize on company time, no matter what the religion you are promoting is. I also believe they can fire you for it.

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Depending on what his conversion message was, it is going to be difficult for even the FBI to disentangle whether this case is closer to the 'fired employee snaps' scenario or a 'lone wolf in waiting' with ties to Imans and known terrorists, etc. or some combination of the two, most likely. And if anything there is a bias in favor of Islam. The 'workplace violence' angle is only getting national media because authorities have been warning for weeks to watch out for ISIS copycats but the feds would have been called in to investigate an extremist connection whether it was Christian or Muslim. Only law enforcement is banned from using religion as a marker to profile possible radical activity within mosques so of course those details are omitted in the press release....

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So this guy was fired for being a Muslim and trying to convert others... wow

No where in the article does it give a reason why Nolan was fired.

The reason why most people would suspect the crime was motivated by Nolan's religious views is due to the nature of the crime. Beheading is the method that jihadists use to terrorize.

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If this guy was from EL SALVADOR, beheading is a big part of the crimes down in that Banana Republic, but in the USA?? People just usually pull out a gun and bang, bang, bang, so I do believe this is more likely the start of ISLAMIC domestic terrorism right in the heart of the USA (Oklahoma)

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And @Frungy. It's widely known that muslims are treated pretty well in the US. Show me the widespread attacks against American muslims.

That's right. Most that I know are doing very, very well. There isn't a widespread attack on Muslims, however the US is more careful with the Muslim and are more suspicious given the events that happened 13 years ago and the radicals in Europe, the US is taking precautions and measures are in place to make sure that kind of tragic event never happens again. If you want to call it profiling, then that's what it is and they should.

And that would be an entirely false comparison because Christian nutters are privileged. They know that they won't be fired for their nutty religious statements.

They are not beheading people.

Just look at the anti-abortion "Christians" standing outside clinics yelling death-threats at women and girls, and the police do NOTHING.

They are not annoying, rude and obnoxious, but they are not on a massive killing spree and beheading people.

This guy was fired, and that's a scary level of discrimination... more than enough to set off someone with underlying mental issues.

Maybe he wasn't a good employee, maybe he didn't follow company rules. The employer is NOT obligated to keep him on the job with pay if his performance is not within company guidelines.

Have you walked outside an abortion clinic? You don't have a point. Those "Christians" threaten violence against dozens of people every day, and have carried out murders, kidnappings, assaults, and bombings.

Yes, some doctors were killed and their were threats, but how many killings did Chrisitans do in the NAME of religion within the last 13 years? How many kidnapings and the threat of violence on a massive scale by Christians were committed over the last 13 years compared to Muslims killings and attacks. Chrisitans will not issue you a death penalty sentence if you don't convert, unlike radical Islam that will.

These are very valid points

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They are not beheading people.

Neither are the Muslims.

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No where in the article does it give a reason why Nolan was fired.

The reason why most people would suspect the crime was motivated by Nolan's religious views is due to the nature of the crime. Beheading is the method that jihadists use to terrorize.

_______________________________________________ They may have been referring to reports picked up from local papers that Nolen got into an argument with coworkers Thursday re: an Islamic teaching that said women should be stoned for adulterous offenses. He was fired and returned later in the day to commit the atrocity. It does feel like the religious aspect is a major detail that is being covered up but from a suspect with a long history and 10 arrests in as many years investigators probably want to make sure they have covered every base before jumping to unwarranted conclusions.

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It's most likely a religiously motivated attack. But it's fairly obvious the guy is a nutter. The average person, including the average Muslim, does not chop off someone's head because the person doesn't want to come to their religion. This guy obviously had some issues.

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Neither are the Muslims.

Which religious group have done more beheadings within the last 6 months? Christians? Jews? Atheists?, Buddhists? None of the groups. Now to be fair, the majority of Muslims don't behead people, I get it, but every radical Jihadists does at one point or another and recently, they've ratchet it up a notch. When you ask ANY person on the street about Islam, the first thing that comes to people's minds are violence, beheadings and the oppression of women, it may not paint the entire picture, but that is ultimately what comes to a persons mind when they think of Islam, negative thoughts. That IS the perception that they have given to the world. If more moderates would speak out, that negative perception might not exist, but as such...

It's most likely a religiously motivated attack. But it's fairly obvious the guy is a nutter. The average person, including the average Muslim, does not chop off someone's head because the person doesn't want to come to their religion. This guy obviously had some issues.

We all know that, but he was of the Islam faith and said he did it because they wouldn't convert, so we have a nut who is Muslim that that gave Islam a bad name....again.

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I see it as a policeman taking down the perp. He was just off duty at the time. However he has had the training civilians do not get. About the suspect, well he will go on trial for his crimes. DO not see this as a religious issue.

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There are billions of non-violent Muslims, and a few violent ones. Your 'logic' in attributing the violence to the entire religion and everyone in it is failed logic.

But that's not what I did, is it? Next time, try arguing against something I actually said.

And there are what, 1.7 billion Muslims in the world? How can there be multiple billions of non-violent ones? Do you apply that same math to your economics debates?

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Which religious group have done more beheadings within the last 6 months? Christians? Jews? Atheists?, Buddhists? None of the groups.

The group called Muslims have not done this either. Some people who are Muslims have beheaded some people. Again we are stuck with your inability to recognize that just because all A are B, does not mean all B are A.

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The group called Muslims have not done this either. Some people who are Muslims have beheaded some people. Again we are stuck with your inability to recognize that just because all A are B, does not mean all B are A.

No, not at all.

A. The beheadings are done by radical jihadists who practice a violent version of Islam.

B. The peaceful moderates also practice Islam.

Conclusion both belong to the Faith known as Islam. peaceful or not. This is the religion that we are talking about and the religion that has everyone up at arms and sadly, the violent jihadists are giving the entire religion a bad name, that's a fact.

I rest my case.

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Again we are stuck with your inability to recognize that just because all A are B, does not mean all B are A.

Conclusion both belong to the Faith known as Islam. peaceful or not.

Thanks for illustrating my point.

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We aren't against Islam or any other religion. We are against the fanatics that go around cutting people's heads off in the name of their deranged beliefs.

And that's how it should be. But many people condemn the whole religion because of a few nutters who pervert it to their own nefarious ends.

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I'd say this easy dismissal as "a few nutters" is getting a bit lame.

Not really, when you compare their numbers against 1.7 billion muslims. It's just a few nutters.

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Not really, when you compare their numbers against 1.7 billion muslims. It's just a few nutters.I

And a couple of thousand of these few nutters from the 1.7 Billion Muslims are throwing the world into complete chaos. The entire ME region is falling apart. Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Iran (trying to get Nukes) and what is the impression that these countries leave? Islam doesn't have a great reputation around the world and I am not interjecting MY personal opinion, but that's a fact. Whether you know well about the religion or not, with the violence going on, the average person has a total negative impression about the religion.

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And a couple of thousand of these few nutters from the 1.7 Billion Muslims are throwing the world into complete chaos

Exactly. A few thousand nutters. Not the 1.7 billion.

Whether you know well about the religion or not, with the violence going on, the average person has a total negative impression about the religion.

Which is exactly why I take the time to point out the facts, trying to educate those who have fallen victim to gut fear that the media perpetuates in order to make more advertising dollars.

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It seems that the left doesn't want to accept that Alton Nolen, oh sorry his new name is Jah'Keem Yisrael was a convert to Islam and a supporter of ISIS and it's radical take.

But, all one has to do is take a look at the links that have been provided to his FACEBOOK page and you will see what he is all about, and that is, HATE plain and simple HATE.

Jah'Keem Yisrael's wasn;t that of an outraged employee, his act was that of a terrorist following what he heard. He was, in his insane fanatical mind Defending Islam. But, to the left the idea of accepting the truth is too difficult.

Again, Alton Nolan is not Alton Nolan, he is in fact Jah'Keem Yisrael, a radical Muslim convert who murdered someone. Just like the scores of other Muslim radicals who have committed or have plotted to committee murder.

Funny thing is I always keep a copy of all my posts......... Jah'Keem Yisrael was a lone wolf terrorist who murdered and innocent woman he didn't know and almost murdered another. The second victim was lucky that the CEO of the company had a weapon and used it, if not she would have also been beheaded!

Facts and reality are things that the left would rather do without!

I give this post 25 seconds before it is removed.

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Think he is a lone wolf criminal. As a Catholic do not feel it is right to criticize billions of people for the actions of a few. It is all about not being afraid, we must be friends with the billions while opposing the radical. Again we must not let being fearful define us.

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YuriOtani:

" As a Catholic do not feel it is right to criticize billions of people for the actions of a few. "

But nobody critizised "billions of people".

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gokai_wo_maneku

I a totallly pacifist and anti-gun, but I admit that if I had just seen this guy decapitate a woman and I had a gun in my hand, I would have shot him in the head to kill him instantly, not just shoot to injure. Just to be honest.

Then you can no longer consider yourself anti-gun. You have recognized that guns can be used by good people to stop bad people. That is why the police carry them, and why I carry one.

Those who take a carry permit class in America (which is required) and those who work in law enforcement are taught to shoot "center mass", meaning the center of the torso. It is the largest target on humans, and also where the most internal organs are located. It also decreases the risk of over-penetration - the bullet exiting the other side of the subject and continuing on to possibly hit an innocent person. The objective is to incapacitate the subject as quickly as possible. They are not always fatal shots. Mr Vaughan was - in all likelihood - shooting for center mass. Mr. Nolan was - in all likelihood - not holding still so Mr. Vaughan could make a clean head shot.

I hope you have learned something from this terrible event. Now that you are better informed, perhaps you will make better decisions about important subjects such as the basic human right to self-defense.

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And a couple of thousand of these few nutters from the 1.7 Billion Muslims are throwing the world into complete chaos. The entire ME region is falling apart. Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Iran (trying to get Nukes) and what is the impression that these countries leave?

The problem is that there is a large number of latent support for the 'nutters'. I cannot understand how a few thousand can bulldoze over so many sane and peace loving Muslims. Why would billions of moderate Muslims allow their religion to be hijacked by crazed jihadi's? There is way too little opposition from the majority to the actions of the few. The West can only defend itself from Islamo-facism. It will take Muslims themselves to reclaim their religion's reputation.

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