Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., right, and Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich, talk about Israel's refusal to allow them to visit the country during a news conference Monday at the State Capitol in St Paul, Minn. Photo: AP
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Omar: Go to Israel, see 'cruel reality of the occupation'

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By STEVE KARNOWSKI

Democratic Reps. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib sharply criticized Israel on Monday for denying them entry to the Jewish state and called on fellow members of Congress to visit while they cannot.

Omar, of Minnesota, suggested President Donald Trump and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu were suppressing the lawmakers' ability to carry out their oversight role.

"I would encourage my colleagues to visit, meet with the people we were going to meet with, see the things we were going to see, hear the stories we were going to hear," Omar said at a news conference. "We cannot let Trump and Netanyahu succeed in hiding the cruel reality of the occupation from us."

At Trump's urging, Israel denied entry to Congress' first two Muslim women over their support for the Palestinian-led boycott movement. Tlaib and Omar, who had planned to visit Jerusalem and the Israeli-occupied West Bank on a tour organized by a Palestinian group, are outspoken critics of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians.

Tlaib, of Michigan, and Omar were joined Monday by Minnesota residents who said they had been directly affected by travel restrictions in the past. They included Lana Barkawi, a Palestinian American who's executive and artistic director of Mizna, a cultural group that sponsors the annual Twin Cities Arab Film Fest. The U.S. government denied visas to several Mideast actors and directors who had been invited to participate last year.

White House spokesman Hogan Gidley kept up the administration's criticism of the two lawmakers.

"Congresswomen Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar have a well-documented history of anti-Semitic comments, anti-Semitic social media posts and anti-Semitic relationships," he said in a statement. "Israel has the right to prevent people who want to destroy it from entering the country — and Democrats' pointless Congressional inquiries here in America cannot change the laws Israel has passed to protect itself."

Before Israel's decision, Trump tweeted it would be a "show of weakness" to allow the two representatives in. Israel controls entry and exit to the West Bank, which it seized in the 1967 Mideast war along with east Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip, territories the Palestinians want for a future state.

Trump's request to a foreign country to bar the entry of elected U.S. officials — and Israel's decision to do so — were unprecedented and drew widespread criticism, including from many Israelis as well as staunch supporters of Israel in Congress. Critics said Netanyahu's decision was a reckless gamble that risked turning Israel into a partisan issue and threatened to undermine ties between the close allies.

Tlaib and Omar support "boycott, divestment and sanctions," or BDS, a Palestinian-led global movement. Supporters say the movement is a nonviolent way of protesting Israel's military rule over the occupied territories, but Israel says it aims to delegitimize the state and eventually wipe it off the map.

Last week, Israeli Interior Minister Aryeh Deri said Tlaib had requested and been granted permission to enter the West Bank to see her aging grandmother. Deri's office released a letter that it said was from Tlaib, which promised to respect travel restrictions during her visit. But after the announcement, Tlaib tweeted she wouldn't allow Israel to use her love for her grandmother to force her to "bow down to their oppressive & racist policies."

The two congresswomen are part of the "squad" of liberal newcomers — all women of color — whom Trump has labeled as the face of the Democratic Party as he runs for reelection. The Republican president subjected them to a series of racist tweets last month in which he called on them to "go back" to their "broken" countries. They are U.S. citizens — Tlaib was born in the U.S. and Omar became a citizen after moving to the United States as a refugee from war-torn Somalia.

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What is Omar doing?

What does Israel have to do with her job as a politician in the US?

She is abusing her mandate...

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I am curious what exactly does Omar proposes as a solution? Does she want Israelis to just pack their bags and go back to Europe? That's what the Palestinians want. Does she know that Israel have proposed a Two State Solution to Palestine 5 times, and they have rejected all 5 proposals? So, what exactly does she want from Israel?

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kiripisu

Maybe she considers herself “woke” and thus a new standard of morality for everyone? (very common recently)

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So 2 Israel haters have “oversight” of Israel? Based on what exactly?

suppressing the lawmakers' ability to carry out their oversight role.

also was there any explanation about why Talib begged to enter, was granted a humanitarian entry, then threw it right back in their face?

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She is right..

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These two women are fighting hard for everyone except the people of Detroit and Minneapolis.

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These two are counterproductive. The messenger does matter in this case. Omar in particular has a history of very questionable comments on this issue. The US does have an appalling record of excusing Israel’s land stealing and other inexcusable behaviour, but all these two are doing is feeding Trump’s narrative and he’s loving it.

More sober minds are needed here.

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@IloveCoffee

It’s true that many Israelis are of Jewish European descent, but others are from families who fled Muslim majority countries at and after Israel’s founding.

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@mrnoidall These two women are fighting hard for everyone except the people of Detroit and Minneapolis.

And you know that because...? Or is that the usual partisan extremist response to limit an issue to only either A or B, that if a person is doing something the extremist doesn't like they can't be doing anything else. Life's pretty complex - except to partisan extremists.

What does Israel have to do with her job as a politician in the US?

How much money do US taxpayers, which include those in her district, give to Israel every day? Every penny sent to Israel is a penny not used for the taxpayers in her district.

So 2 Israel haters have “oversight” of Israel? Based on what exactly?

Revisit the roles of a US representative before flaming and oversimplifying.

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Omar and Tlaib continue to push anti-Semitism from their perch as leading newsmakers in the Democrat party. Pelosi and the rest of the party’s leadership are afraid to go against the bigotry festering within the American Left much as the British Labour party has become openly anti-Semitic.

The two Muslim congress members could have gone with the 70 other members that went to Israel last week. Tlaib could have gone to see her grandmother at Israel’s invitation. They passed up those opportunities to attack Israel and further prove their bigotry.

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the British Labour party has become openly anti-Semitic.

Fake news.

Anti-Semitism is a problem in the Labour Party, but it is not an ‘openly’ anti-Semitic party.

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Meanwhile, the Palestinian Authority has banned any and all LGBTQ activity on pain of god knows what. Omar, Tlaib are completely silent on it .

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17 muslim majority counties have a blanket ban on Israelis entering their countries. Omar and Tlaib have never said a thing about it.

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Omar and Tlaib continue to push anti-Semitism

Partisan extremists see issues as only A or B, nothing in between. They claim things like those opposing the Zionists who push a brutal apartheid system are anti-Semitic.

While ignoring the many Jewish groups worldwide, including Jewish groups in Israel itself, that oppose Zionist extremism.

Would you consider those Jewish groups who oppose Zionist extremism as anti-Semitic?

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I’m glad that these women were rebuked. They want a one State solution, they’re not interested in any dialogue whatsoever but the dismantling of the Jewish State, calling it Palestine wasn’t a smart move to start off on a good foot. Tlaib was later granted access entry to see her grandmother and then decided not to go, if she was really sincere in seeing her 90 year nana she could have after she renounced she wouldn’t protest or insight anything that could be deemed insulting or agitating the Jewish nation.

Meanwhile, the Palestinian Authority has banned any and all LGBTQ activity on pain of god knows what. Omar, Tlaib are completely silent on it .

Completely, wonder why that is.

17 muslim majority counties have a blanket ban on Israelis entering their countries. Omar and Tlaib have never said a thing about it.

Honestly, who’s surprised. Israel did the right thing. Good on them.

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Omar and Tlaib continue to push anti-Semitism

Speaking the truth is not anti-Semitic no matter how many times you scream that it is.

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So what have the said that was so bad?

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Speaking the truth is not anti-Semitic no matter how many times you scream that it is.

What truth is that? Israel has been under attack from day one and the attacks have never stopped in the seven decades since. Israel has tried time and again to negotiate a two state solution and the response to these efforts have always been intifada and more terrorist tactics. They never suggest constructive solutions- only attack Israel. Why? The answer is obvious. Omar and Tlaib want Israel to be gone. They do not support any other solution. Why on Earth would Israel agree to their own elimination?

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Speaking the truth is not anti-Semitic no matter how many times you scream that it is.

They are anti-Semitic, no matter how many times you scream they are not. Everyone with a pulse and a rational thought process knows what these women were attempting to do, they are nothing but trouble and I applaud Israel for doing the absolute right thing.

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Ilhan Omar is 100% correct. No more aid for occupation. If Israel wants to continue to hold millions of people under the boot-heel of military occupation, then let them do it on their own dime. It's outrageous that the American taxpayer is expected to fund human rights abuses, war crimes and apartheid in a foreign country. In fact, the Leahy Law already forbids the US from supplying military aid to foreign armies that commit human rights abuses. About time it was enforced.

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Ilhan Omar is 100% correct. 

Believe me when I tell you, No one is listening to that woman, as you have witnessed, she was rightfully denied entry into Israel. Let her talk and spew...yaaawn, that’s all these woman can do. We don’t have to listen to their hateful rhetoric.

No more aid for occupation. If Israel wants to continue to hold millions of people under the boot-heel of military occupation, then let them do it on their own dime.

Why would Israel reward any terrorist group that wants to undermine its very legitimacy?

It's outrageous that the American taxpayer is expected to fund human rights abuses, war crimes and apartheid in a foreign country.

You can make the counter argument for Palestinians that want to destroy the Jewish race. Speaking of aid, why do the Palestinians use it always to purchase weapons and to use Qussam rockets to target Israelis? Why don’t they build functioning schools? You think Hamas respects human rights?

In fact, the Leahy Law already forbids the US from supplying military aid to foreign armies that commit human rights abuses. About time it was enforced.

Yeah, good luck with that.

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They are anti-Semitic, no matter how many times you scream they are not. Everyone with a pulse and a rational thought process knows what these women were attempting to do, they are nothing but trouble and I applaud Israel for doing the absolute right thing.

You'll have to employ the "Donny isn't racist because he never directly mentions race" logic to understand the following, which means Trumpologists should understand it 100%:

Show me the exact words that mention Jewish people in a derogatory manner. You can't, which means these two aren't anti-Semitic.

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What truth is that? Israel has been under attack from day one and the attacks have never stopped in the seven decades since. Israel has tried time and again to negotiate a two state solution and the response to these efforts have always been intifada and more terrorist tactics. They never suggest constructive solutions- only attack Israel. Why? The answer is obvious. Omar and Tlaib want Israel to be gone. They do not support any other solution. Why on Earth would Israel agree to their own elimination?

Wow. Some people have bought the victim card hook, line, sinker, and boat.

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Omar, of Minnesota, suggested President Donald Trump and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu were suppressing the lawmakers' ability to carry out their oversight role.

What self-appointed "oversight role" is this? I would like to see Omar travel to Saudi Arabia, Iran and other middle eastern dumps and investigate the repression of women and murder of homosexuals in those countries. Will she criticise those countries for their appalling treatment of political opponents and minorities? I very much doubt it.

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Why would Israel reward any terrorist group that wants to undermine its very legitimacy?

What are you talking about? The post to which you were replying was talking about cutting off US funding to Israel. Somehow, you managed to turn it into a post about Israel rewarding terrorism. The bad faith arguments are blatant.

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What self-appointed "oversight role" is this? 

Yeah, what oversight role do two members of the house have over taxpayer money spent on foreign policy? It's not as if these women vote on appropriations bills! Oversight my aching arse!

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What are you talking about? The post to which you were replying was talking about cutting off US funding to Israel.

It all encompasses it.

Somehow, you managed to turn it into a post about Israel rewarding terrorism.

It’s the other way around. Israel barred the nut jobs that are promoting the terrorist and dismantling the take down of the State of Israel.

The bad faith arguments are blatant.

Then liberals should stop arguing the bad faith

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Seriously. I haven't been following this story that closely. What did she say?

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They are suppose to work for improving the American life, instead, they are abusing their position to bring their own religious agenda.

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It all encompasses it.

No.

It’s the other way around. Israel barred the nut jobs that are promoting the terrorist and dismantling the take down of the State of Israel.

No.

Then liberals should stop arguing the bad faith

The good old, "I'm rubber, you're glue. What you say bounces off me and sticks to you." The failing of this argument is we can all read and quote your constant advancement of bad faith arguments, but you can't do the same for any "liberal" in this site.

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No more aid for occupation.

I couldn’t agree more. The Palestinians are currently occupied by Hamas, the PLO, and Hezbollah - terrorists all. The Israelis have agreed to aid Palestinians and allow use of their own territory to provide aid to them and what have they gotten in return. Tunnels, rockets, and BDS. Yes, no aid for the occupiers.

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The good old, "I'm rubber, you're glue. What you say bounces off me and sticks to you." The failing of this argument

There is no failing, Chip. Guess what? Omar and Tlaib lost, we can all rest soundly now, both of these woman won’t be sitting foot in Israel, thank God. They can scream, cry, do whatever they want on TV, it’s over. I’m happy.

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Scrote: Will she criticise those countries for their appalling treatment of political opponents and minorities? I very much doubt it.

Omar believes that Muslims can do no wrong. When she thinks of evil she can only see Jews. Her constant focus on Israel and blindness to the wrongful actions of fellow Muslims - shariah, religious oppression, the ban on Jewish people in the Muslim world - quite astonishing.

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> What does Israel have to do with her job as a politician in the US?

Nothing. She is not a politician, she is an activist, using her elected position in Congress,

to further her anti-Trump, anti-Israel agenda.

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Omar believes that Muslims can do no wrong. When she thinks of evil she can only see Jews. Her constant focus on Israel and blindness to the wrongful actions of fellow Muslims - shariah, religious oppression, the ban on Jewish people in the Muslim world - quite astonishing.

Any evidence to back up your assertion that she is blind to the failings of some Muslims?

Neing critical of Israel is not anti-Semitic no matter how many times you shreak otherwise.

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I couldn’t agree more. The Palestinians are currently occupied by Hamas, the PLO, and Hezbollah - terrorists all. The Israelis have agreed to aid Palestinians and allow use of their own territory to provide aid to them and what have they gotten in return. Tunnels, rockets, and BDS. Yes, no aid for the occupiers.

Hahahahahahaha. You write your own material?

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"Some people did something."

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"It's all about the Benjamins baby," Omar tweeted in reply.

Ah, I see. Because of the stereotype about Jewish people and money. I can see how one can make that link, but it certainly isn't limited to just Jewish people. Pretty much every political group has been accused of having too much influence over politicians, and money is usually mentioned. But in this day and age you can't make the link with Israel. I get it.

Her response:

“Anti-Semitism is real and I am grateful for Jewish allies and colleagues who are educating me on the painful history of anti-Semitic tropes. My intention is never to offend my constituents or Jewish Americans as a whole.”

Nice apology. You don't see that often from other members of government.

But Omar later dug in when she suggested pro-Israel interests pushed members of Congress to pledge allegiance to a "foreign country," drawing further outrage from her colleagues.

This one really isn't a big deal.

I thought there was more meat on the bone. We've all heard that stereotype and people in government have said it but this is the first time I can remember Israel banning someone from entry, but maybe I'm wrong?

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She is correct. Israel's brutal occupation and subjugation of the Palestinians, forceful evictions, continued land grabbing etc, are gross violations of the Palestinians human rights.

I pray that people like her will highlight the issue, leading to pressure on Israel to agree to meaningful compromises as part of a fair two state peace settlement.

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Omar and Tlaib continue to push anti-Semitism from their perch as leading newsmakers in the Democrat party. 

False.

It's interesting though that there are those of the far right will repeat such falsehoods whilst regularly using anti-Semitic tropes like globalists, NWO and so on.

The congresswomen are bringing to the attention of the world the horrific occupation and subjugation of the Palestinian people.

This is a good thing - we need more news conferences like this and more opportunities to see just what Israel continues to do to Palestinians.

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Iran will end this Israel apartheid state drama soon. Keep watching and enjoying the show......lol

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Dems and libs spending all their time defending the squad and Warren. Then listening to Hillary cry some more about 2016.

I like that because you aren’t paying attention to 2020 at all. the gaffe machine Biden isn’t even allowed in public after dark.

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@Ilovecoffee, would you accept a two state solution based on the Palestininas getting 15% of the land and Israel 85%?........lol.......what a shyster you are?

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Omar believes that Muslims can do no wrong. When she thinks of evil she can only see Jews. Her constant focus on Israel and blindness to the wrongful actions of fellow Muslims - shariah, religious oppression, the ban on Jewish people in the Muslim world - quite astonishing.

She’s perfectly placed to do this. Unfortunately, that isn’t what many on the left want to hear. Another Somali-born woman, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, is often shouted down by the left for pointing out things like the ban on Israelis entering certain countries and the treatment of women, sexual minorities and dissenters. Hirsi Ali, as a woman who underwent FGM and left Somalia to escape an arranged marriage, knows what she’s talking about here.

It would be nice hearing these women campaigning as loudly for a change to this situation along with the behaviour of the Israelis which does deserve criticism.

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The congresswomen are bringing to the attention of the world the horrific occupation and subjugation of the Palestinian people.

They're also bringing attention to the forces that want to destroy the Jewish State. So yes, it’s good these women hold conferences that the world can see the evil that persists in these two women.

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Anti-Zionist and anti-Israeli politics should not be confused with anti-Semitism. Equating the three is a common tactic of Zionists. Is someone who disapproves of Netanyahu and his polices but likes Bernie Sanders, who is also Jewish, anti-Semitic. No, of course not, but such a person could well be anti-Zionist.

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So nothing can be anti-Semitic if it’s “the truth”. Whose truth? Wasn’t this exact idea the basis for hundreds of years of racism? “It’s not racist that (people x) are (thing y) - it’s just the truth.”

Speaking the truth is not anti-Semitic no matter how many times you scream that it is.

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From the US State Department website: "Some U.S. citizens of Arab or Muslim heritage (including Palestinian-Americans) have experienced significant difficulties and unequal and hostile treatment at Israel’s borders and checkpoints. U.S. citizens should immediately report treatment by border officials that they believe is discriminatory or hostile to the ACS unit of the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem."

It's outrageous that Israel treats American citizens this way. Imagine if Israeli citizens coming to America were singled out based on their religion or ethnicity. We'd never hear the end of it.

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@blacklabSo nothing can be anti-Semitic if it’s “the truth”

Why always all or nothing in the far right's world. Many things can be anti-Semitic. If you want examples, read alt right posts written here, especially the ones assailing 'globalists'. If you're unfamiliar with the term, read up on how it was used in 1930s Germany.

If you want to read more on issues pertaining to the alt right and anti-Semitim, here's a link to an Anti-defamation League article. Lots to say about the alt right so many posters support.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/alt-right-a-primer-about-the-new-white-supremacy

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@Wolfpack

Omar believes that Muslims can do no wrong. When she thinks of evil she can only see Jews. Her constant focus on Israel and blindness to the wrongful actions of fellow Muslims - shariah, religious oppression, the ban on Jewish people in the Muslim world - quite astonishing.

Agreed.

Any oppressive behavior is wrong no matter which country does it.

However this doesn't excuse Israel's ruthless oppression of the Palestinians does it?

Hopefully Israel will agree to a fair two state solution that gives the Palestinians realistic land and borders and security, rather than the hopelessly fractured fragments of poorly organised and impossible to manage and secure scraps they've offered so far.

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Omar has like a 9% approval rating. She just might actually not get re-elected in a state that gave Hillary less than a 2% more votes than Trump in 2016 and will definitely go red in 2020.

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@Concerned Citizen.......What you will witness is Iran driving these apartheid terrorist Zionists out of occupied Palestine. There days are numbered. And they know it. No kidding they are panicking.

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@gaijintraveller.......well put. Equating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism is a disgusting fraud. There are 20,000 Jewish Iranians happily living in Iran, which for them is a mother country. The largest Jewish population outside Israel in the entire middle east. Persian Jews have a significant history in Iran, and they know it. Can't put down Iran for standing up for justice here. Jews are welcome in Iran, King Soloman, the prophet Danial, Ezra, Esther, Mordechai and a dozen other Jewish subjects were all Persian Jews. Iran has ruled these people before as colonial subjects and believes in justice.

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Concerned Citizen.......What you will witness is Iran driving these apartheid terrorist Zionists out of occupied Palestine. There days are numbered. And they know it. No kidding they are panicking.

Iran is a revolting theocracy. I’d take the awful Netanyahu regime over that lot.

I hope you are not defending these people.

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@kurisupisu

What does Israel have to do with her job as a politician in the US?

Because "Israel" (needs defined), hand in hand with Right Wing Jewish-American elite, controls USA politics and, particularly Middle Eastern foreign policy and war making (needs explanation).

However, more accurately they should be described as Zionists so as not to slander religious Jews.

They are also behind the multi-million dollar "Islamophobia Industry", hence targeting these women politicians.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/03/30/100867/

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/06/groups-spread-hate-islamophobia-industry-170610092856852.html

https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745337166/the-islamophobia-industry-second-edition/

See;  “The Islamophobia Industry: How the Right Manufactures Hatred of Muslims” by Nathan Lean.

Please also be aware that there are good and Left Wing Israelis who are equally critical of the very same people and their crime against Humanity.

What I cannot understand is how the generally violent, aggressive and racist Right Wing in the US is taken in by them and increasingly acts as their war puppets.

These people can make, break, elect or remove foreign politicians to suit Israeli interest at will.

There was a very good exposé of them planning to do so in the UK recently so it is inarguable.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/08/israeli-diplomat-shai-masot-plotted-against-mps-set-up-political-groups-labour

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@JimizoT

Another Somali-born woman, Ayaan Hirsi Ali ...

Yes, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, is one of the Islamophobia Industry paid for puppets and a darling of the Right Wing racists in the US.

The joke is ... she became a Dutch citizen by illegally emigrating from Kenya having given false information about her name, her age, and her country of residence when originally applying for asylum, and admitted that she had lied.

But they make up all these false stories about Ilhan Omar instead.

When it looked like Ali would lose her Dutch citizenship (the controversy brought down the government), she ran off to America sponsored by a NeoConservative think tank American Enterprise Institute to promote Islamophobia.

You can't make this much crazy up but she has that "one day I hope to convert to Judaism" and proclaimed that Benjamin Netanyahu should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his 2014 bombardment of Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/may/21/jasonburke.theobserver

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Serrano:. Omar has like a 9% approval rating.

Only amongst the uneducated. They surveyed whites with no college degree.

That's not a joke.

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There are 20,000 Jewish Iranians happily living in Iran, which for them is a mother country. The largest Jewish population outside Israel in the entire middle east.

"Jews are kept away from senior government and military positions.Under Iran’s sharia law code, different penalties are laid out for Muslims and non-Muslims for a variety of violations, almost always disfavoring the non-Muslims. The government also insists that each of the Tehran Jewish community’s five schools must be run by a Muslim principal. If a Jew murders a Muslim, the proscribed penalty is death. If a Muslim murders a Jew, the payment of blood money is an option."

Sounds like paradise. That said, it is, compared to most other Mid-East countries. But Israel treats its Muslims better than Iran treats its Jews, so it's funny to talk about justice there - especially considering how much the Mullahs have destroyed the younger generations in Iran.

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But Israel treats its Muslims better than Iran treats its Jews

I don't follow. Are you saying that since Iran exists I can't criticize Israel?

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Serrano:. Omar has like a 9% approval rating.

Only amongst the uneducated. They surveyed whites with no college degree.

That's not a joke.

You know what, SuperLib? You actually have a point here. I am having trouble finding any other poll on Omar's approval, even RealClearPolitics doesn't seem to have one. Let us know if you find one.

Should be you can find one that has her at over 50%.

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Last year's new Nation Law clearly shows Netanyahu believes Israel is only for the Jews and is not interested in a two state solution.

New elections in September because he was unable to form a government from the previous one. The majority of Israeli's don't support him.

He's still under criminal investigation fro freud which his wife took a plea deal over and accepted her conviction.

Israel continues to receive $3-$4 billion of American taxpayer money every year plus other deals. Trump stopped providing any money to the Palestinians.

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No need to get upset, Serrano. Unless that group describes you.

Should be you can find one that has her at over 50%.

Sure. 50% is much higher than anything Trump has done, but that's cool.

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I don't follow. Are you saying that since Iran exists I can't criticize Israel?

Nothing wrong with criticizing anyone, it’s not going to change these two women’s fate. Let them spew their hatred from some microphone to few people that care.

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@IloveCoffee

I am curious what exactly does Omar proposes as a solution? Does she want Israelis to just pack their bags and go back to Europe? That's what the Palestinians want. Does she know that Israel have proposed a Two State Solution to Palestine 5 times, and they have rejected all 5 proposals? So, what exactly does she want from Israel?

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@IloveCoffee

I am curious what exactly does Omar proposes as a solution? Does she want Israelis to just pack their bags and go back to Europe? That's what the Palestinians want. Does she know that Israel have proposed a Two State Solution to Palestine 5 times, and they have rejected all 5 proposals? So, what exactly does she want from Israel?

So far Israel has offered hopelessly fractured fragments of poorly organised and impossible to manage and secure scraps of land. All these offers were deliberately calculated to prompt a refusal whereby the Israelis could then accuse the Palestinians of rejecting peace. The end goal being that the Israelis can continue forceful evictions and land theft.

Jews returning to Europe is definitely not the answer.

Hopefully Israel will offer a fair two state solution that gives the Palestinians realistic land, borders and security.

Unfortunately the Israelis have absolutely no intention of such a reasonable settlement. Their ultimate goal is to obtain control of the same geographical region of the ancient Promised Land of the Biblical days of King David, Eretz Israel, to drive out as many Arabs as possible and subjugate those who remain under the rule of an apartheid Jewish state. This is the unfortunate reality.

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Gaza and the West Bank for the independent Palestinian State. Israel withdraws from the West Bank.

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@IloveCoffee

Israel have proposed a Two State Solution to Palestine 5 times, and they have rejected all 5 proposals

Israel "proposals" were on a par with America's response to Japan's efforts to avoid WWII, and to surrender at the end of it. That is the mantra but the reality on the ground is something else.

Whenever faced by anyone repating the "two state" mantra, just ask them to draw it out for you. Get them to draw the state they will allow the Palestinians. What's going to happen is that they are going to kill off or try to make life as unbearable as possible, until the Palestinians give up and leave for another State.

Palestinian loss of land map

https://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/check-msnbcs-palestinian/

The best "two state" solution for Israel would be Florida and Nevada, but there's an old joke about that.

The USA offers Israel to become the 51st State of the USA but Israel rejects it. Why? Because it would mean Israel would only get 2 senators, while at present they have 100.

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Bass: Nothing wrong with criticizing anyone.

Except in Israel, where you get banned. Now do a 180.

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Israel needs to either grant the Palestinians their own state or full Israeli citizenship. They are treating those people like North America treats their Native Americans. 50-odd years of military occupation is far too long.

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Or you could just visit an "indian reservation" in the western US and see much the same thing, minus the rubble and bullet holes...

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Meanwhile, the Palestinian Authority has banned any and all LGBTQ activity on pain of god knows what.

Maybe that's one reason why they hate Israel so much. Those Israelis have no sense of decency and let their LGBTQ community carry on all kinds of abhorrent behavior like same sex marriage, same sex cohabitation, and just all kinds of Haram homosexual activities. But all is not lost, Hamas has a plan for them.

Only amongst the uneducated. They surveyed whites with no college degree.

Ohhh...... Not the deplorables again. You gotta keep an eye on those irredeemables, they have a bad habit of voting. And you know what that can lead to. Just think, they let some people vote who haven't been properly indoctrinated in an American University. The horror!

I bet you won't be able to put down Iran in a face to face with me. You can write BS here, but talking crap in person is different. 

Hmmmmmmm........interesting.

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Does she know that Israel have proposed a Two State Solution to Palestine 5 times, and they have rejected all 5 proposals?

None of the 5 proposals has been a realistic proposal. All lack true sovereignty for the Palestinian state.

Eg not allowed their own defense forces. No sovereign airspace or sea space rights. All to be controlled by Israel. Nobody would accept such an offer, least of all Israel if the situation was reversed.

Come up with a true and fair offer for a two state solution and I am sure it would be given due consideration.

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No need to get upset, Serrano. Unless that group describes you.

I'm not upset, SuperLib, and no, I'm not in that group.

Looking foward to you finding any poll that has Omar over 9% approval.

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NO country is obligated to allow entry to supporters of an entity that is determined to destroy it. Self-preservation does not mean you allow scorpions into your house.

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Self-preservation does not mean you allow scorpions into your house.

They allowed Trump in, didn't they?

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They allowed Trump in, didn't they?

But he's a rattle snake not a scorpion.

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The Israeli government a supposed ally, has barred our duly elected lawmakers from entry to their country. This is an insult to our nation.

Cut all government funding from the U.S. to the Israeli government immediately.

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I wonder what liberals who really dig these two would think about their culture’s attitudes towards liberal ideas...

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I wonder what liberals who really dig these two would think about their culture’s attitudes towards liberal ideas...

Their culture is American, so it's a mixed bag, I'd say. Sensible Americans know that the congresswomen aren't a threat to society, aren't unpatriotic and are trying to draw attention to the terrible ongoing situation in Palestine.

Right wing Americans want to them to "go back", whatever that means.

So yeah, American culture's attitudes to liberal ideas ranges from the sensible to the insane.

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I wonder what liberals who really dig these two would think about their culture’s attitudes towards liberal ideas...

You people have shown exactly what Americans think about liberal ideas. I don't think you can blame these women for their culture though - America was already a mess before they came around.

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@Kuya808,

exactly correct.

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@Strangerland, “Anerica was already a mess...”

yeah, such a mess that people from all over - including Omar’s home paradise Somalia - literally risk their lives to go and live there.

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I wonder what liberals who really dig these two would think about their culture’s attitudes towards liberal ideas...

In Omar’s case, she has shown support for LGBT rights. That sounds pretty liberal.

One problem I had was with her comment about the evil of Israel and hoping Allah will open eyes. A large part of the problem in this part of the world is the support of evangelical Christians for Israel, the behaviour of messianic Jews and the excesses of Islamic faith. Rabble-rousing among the faithful of any faith is never a good idea.

We can do without this. It makes things more difficult.

Cooler heads, please.

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yeah, such a mess that people from all over - including Omar’s home paradise Somalia - literally risk their lives to go and live there.

Heh, pretty low bar you’ve set there. Meanwhile people from the first world are less and less willing to lower their quality of life to that in the US.

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@Strangerland,

Dream on, theyre clamouring to get into the US, by any means necessary.

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"We cannot let Trump and Netanyahu succeed in hiding the cruel reality of the occupation from us."

How about the cruel reality that Israel, the size of New Jersey, has had to fight for it's survival since 1948?

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@Jimizo,

Sure, Omar is pro LGBT in the US - how else can she maintain the pretence of being a trendy libby Dem? But its a whole different story with her where muslim countries are concerned. By all means show me if Im wrong.

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@Jimizo,

Sure, Omar is pro LGBT in the US - how else can she maintain the pretence of being a trendy libby Dem? But its a whole different story with her where muslim countries are concerned. By all means show me if Im wrong.

How do you know Omar isn’t being genuine here? I’m willing to take her at her word.

Why are you asking me to prove you wrong when I’ve already mentioned the appalling treatment of LGBT in the Muslim world? I even mentioned I’d like to see people like Omar be more vocal in her condemnation of it.

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