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Omicron surge in Brazil hospitalizing the unvaccinated

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Basically what the media is saying is: "the vaccinated is NOT being infected or hospitalized"...

will someone fact check this..

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The vaccinated are not ending up in hospital and especially in a serious condition compared to the un-vaccinated. They can still get infected but at lower levels ( marginally lower for two jabs for omicron) than the un jabbed.

Not rocket science.

If you have comorbidities or are over 65 years old then to not be vaccinated and boosted is rather foolish if you have the chance.

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Day after day, all over the world, in media of all political and ideological persuasions or even none at all, we read/hear/see the same story. The current worldwide surge of Omicron infections is putting disproportionately more unvaccinated people in hospital, and killing them, than it is vaccinated people. In the case of Brazil, the problems of that country have been exacerbated by the cynicism and corruption of Bolsonaro and his political and business cronies, for whom anything that threatens to get in the way of their personal enrichment program is to be slapped down or ignored - even at the cost of the health and survival of their own citizens.

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didn’t finish the three doses

They're counting anything under 3 doses as unvaccinated.

The hospitals are full of "fully vaccinated" people who have taken 2 doses.

Yesterday's "fully vaccinated" is today's "unvaccinated"

There's no evidence that vaccine free people are entering hospitals disproportionally.

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We have a broken record above. Same thing, day in, day out, jumping on one small line and fully taking it out of context, pushing it to prove his agenda, without regard for anybody else. That’s not misinformation… that’s disinformation.

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There's no evidence that vaccine free people are entering hospitals disproportionally.

Paragraph 3. This Doctor is lying? Why?

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There has been a renewed surge of COVID-19 in Brazil with the spread of the Omicron variant and, as elsewhere in the world, it is largely a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

Medical study after medical study shows that those unvaccinated are between 3 and 20 times more likely to become hospitalized and die from COVID than those vaccinated - yet the far-right in the US continue to follow Democrat scion RFK Jr rather than their exalted leader Trump...

So-called far-right media outlets and their pliant politician cohorts manipulate and con the MAGA,masses - taking their money, and now taking their lives...which they finally realize as they take their last breath....

Shortly before dying of Covid-19, a father in Los Angeles texted family members to express his regret over not getting vaccinated. Christian Cabrera, 40, tested positive for the coronavirus around Christmas. “I can’t breathe again,” he texted his brother, according to KTLA. “I really regret not getting my vaccine. If I can do it all over again I would do it in a heartbeat to save my life. I’m fighting for my life here and I wish I [had] gotten vaccinated.”

https://news.yahoo.com/father-dying-covid-regrets-not-230143683.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

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Paragraph 3. This Doctor is lying? Why?

No point, Bob. You're banging your head against a brick wall. If some people can read through an article like this one and all the countless others published worldwide about this and still come out day after day with some of the rubbish they post, they're beyond reasoning with. You'd be better off taking a walk, or making a cup of coffee, except, I know, that it's really, really hard to let them get away with it.

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Paragraph 3. This Doctor is lying? Why?

The doctor is not lying, he's telling the truth.

“We see that the people who are being hospitalized are those who either weren’t vaccinated or didn’t finish the three doses,

Did you miss the "or didn't finish three doses"

He's lumping vaccine free with people who have taken 1 shot and 2 shot.

Unvaccinated = 0 shots, 1 shot and 2 shots.

And they omitted the statistical breakdown of each, because it doesn't fit the narrative.

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The doctor is not lying, he's telling the truth.

‘She’. If you can’t manage basic reading I can’t give any merit to anything you say.

Why was your last account banned bb?

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Did you miss the "or didn't finish three doses"

He's lumping vaccine free with people who have taken 1 shot and 2 shot.

Unvaccinated = 0 shots, 1 shot and 2 shots.

And they omitted the statistical breakdown of each, because it doesn't fit the narrative.

In among the usual paranoia, walls closing in etc., are you trying to say the boosters work?

It’s sometimes hard to know what you’re trying to say.

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According to Our World in Data, 70% of Brazilians have received both shots,

"both" means all. They are fully vaccinated. A booster is an extra shot after a time of about 6 months in most countries. Until that time... 2 shots is fully vaccinated. 40% of Brazilians have received their booster. With such a slow start to things it appears Brazilians are not taking the disinformation. That's awesome.

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In among the usual paranoia, walls closing in etc., are you trying to say the boosters work?

It’s sometimes hard to know what you’re trying to say.

I'm saying that because unvaccinated means anybody with 2 shots or less there is no actual evidence that vaccine-free people are disproportionally hospitalized.

The people with 2 doses, 1 does and 0 doses should be counted separately for accurate data.

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I'm saying that because unvaccinated means anybody with 2 shots or less there is no actual evidence that vaccine-free people are disproportionally hospitalized.

The people with 2 doses, 1 does and 0 doses should be counted separately for accurate data.

Improving.

So you mean that those who have had a third jab are less likely to become seriously ill or die?

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‘She’. If you can’t manage basic reading I can’t give any merit to anything you say.

Did you just assume their gender? Unbelievable.

/s

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So you mean that those who have had a third jab are less likely to become seriously ill or die?

The article does not provide evidence for that.

In Brazil, the number of people who have had 3 shots is a minority.

Of course they are a minority of hospitalizations.

True science would be to compare the hospitalization rates of each category relative to their proportion of the population.

However the real data does not fit the narrative. Thus the word games and manipulation of definitions.

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I'm saying that because unvaccinated means anybody with 2 shots or less

but it doesn’t.

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but it doesn’t.

Look carefully at the definitions used in the article.

didn’t finish the three doses

 haven’t completed their vaccination program

 with incomplete vaccination

It's all about people who started their vaccinations but haven't completed all 3.

Don't mix "not completed vaccinated" with "never vaccinated", those are separate groups and should be assessed separately to truly assess the situation.

Never vaccinated people in Brazil could actually be experiencing very low hospitalization rates but the article tries to dodge that fact with muddied definitions.

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Why not quote the whole sentences?

“We see that the people who are being hospitalized are those who either weren’t vaccinated or didn’t finish the three doses, who have comorbidities,”

The part with the three doses is obviously about those with comorbidities.

Of those hospitalized in Rio de Janeiro state, 88% haven’t completed their vaccination program, according to the press office of the state’s health secretariat.

Again looks different from what you claim.

“The chance of hospitalization for someone elderly with incomplete vaccination is 17 times greater than for elderly people with two doses or three doses.”

That quite clearly contradicts what you claimed also. According to you the sentence should read "...incomplete vaccination is 17 greater than for elderly

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I absolutely hate writing on this website using my phone...

"... incomplete vaccination is 17 greater than for elderly with three doses." Why doesn't it say that if two doses equal incomplete vaccination?

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“The chance of hospitalization for someone elderly with incomplete vaccination is 17 times greater than for elderly people with two doses or three doses.” ___

two or three. That means people with two or three doses have less chance of hospitalization. Let’s not forget that some vaccine programs only have a single dose. Incomplete means not completed. It doesn’t mean people with 2 shots or less are unvaccinated. Only people with zero shots are unvaccinated.

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Bronco...

They're counting anything under 3 doses as unvaccinated.

No they are NOT. Its still two but three is better. Not perfect but WILL make you much less likely to end up sick.

Its really, really simple. The more vaccine you have, the less likely you are to end up in the hospital. 3 better than two, two better than 1 and one better than nothing.

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but 4 was found to have no impact at all, strangely.

Israeli vaccine study finds people still catching Omicron after 4 doses

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.incomplete vaccination is 17 greater than for elderly

I argue that "incomplete" does not exclude people who don't have all 3 doses, people with 1 or 2 doses are included in "incomplete"

“We see that the people who are being hospitalized are those who either weren’t vaccinated or didn’t finish the three doses, who have comorbidities,”

The part with the three doses is obviously about those with comorbidities.

Ask your grammar teacher, the comma after doses means the comorbidities applies to both "weren't vaccinated" and "didn't finish three doses"

If the comma weren't there, you'd be correct.

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but 4 was found to have no impact at all, strangely.

dear sir please do not share wrong facts, there is no such conclusion!

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A fourth shot of the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine generated a fivefold boost in antibodies a week after the jab, according to preliminary results of a study made public by the Israeli government Tuesday.

This is what the Israeli study revealed.

Also as new variants develop vaccines need to be adjusted to handle them, this is common sense.

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dear sir please do not share wrong facts, there is no such conclusion!

my source is more recent than your Jan 4th article. so there is such conclusion.

The trial compared people with a fourth dose to those with three and found little difference.

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-vaccine-trial-catching-omicron-4-shots-booster-antibody-sheba-2022-1

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Which is very different from what the article says.

The trial compared people with a fourth dose to those with three and found little difference.

that is in the article itself near the top, thus is one of the primary conclusions of said article.

but nice deflection try. people can read the article if they care to.

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The trial compared people with a fourth dose to those with three and found little difference.

that is in the article itself near the top

Blacklabel says

but 4 was found to have no impact at all, strangely.

which is false. "Little difference" is a very different thing to "no impact at all".

Yes, people can read the article... and the comments here.

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BroncoToday  10:41 am JST

but it doesn’t.

Look carefully at the definitions used in the article.

didn’t finish the three doses

 haven’t completed their vaccination program

 with incomplete vaccination

It's all about people who started their vaccinations but haven't completed all 3.

You're flapping around the point that any of that gives people some more protection that NO SHOT AT ALL.

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Blacklabel....

but 4 was found to have no impact at all, strangely.

Again, not true at all. The vaccine does not, did not and will not completely prevent you from getting infected. It does help are varying rates depending on the variant. Omicron not so much.

What the vaccine WILL do is prevent you from becoming seriously ill. In the ratio of more shots the better.

But you know that, it just doesnt suit your narrative of anti vaccine.

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