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My son is Army CID stationed at Ft. Hood. He said "It's gonna be a long night". I was glad to hear he was okay, and sorry about the others.

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sensei258: Good to hear your son is okay.

Other news reports in the US are saying there are 4 dead including the gunman who took his own life. Why does this keep happening? So sad. RIP to the victims.

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Yeah, great news that your kid was not one of the casualties. My heart goes out for the families and victims. I heard that it was a soldier on soldier situation. Reports sill kind of sketchy. But at least the shooter is dead. 14 injured, some critically and 4 dead including the shooter. So tragic.

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@sensei258. Just adding to bass4funk and Tahoochi; glad to hear your son is OK. And thank you to your son for serving.

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Thank you for your supportive comments. Let's remember the people and families involved.

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Yes, most definitely, thank you for your service and all you do to ensure our freedoms.

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"The gunman, identified as Ivan Lopez, 34 — an enlisted soldier — took his own life, officials said." - NBC reports

"Hasan is now partially paralyzed" - not paralyzed enough. That Hasan is still alive after his 2009 murders is amazing.

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Shocked to read this tragic news, god bless your son is safe and well.

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Maybe the base should be a "gun-free zone".

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An agent of the Separatist Army perhaps?

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(Obama) had just met with about 25 donors at a previously scheduled fundraiser for the Democratic National Committee

He was at a fundraiser. It's what a CinC does in times like these.

RR

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The shooter, who later killed himself, was being treated for multiple psych problems after serving in Iraq.

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OK, so it lasted two hours. Now imagine an Iraq family doing this for 8 years, 8 months, 3 weeks and 4 days.

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I don't mean any disrespect. But Americans are the most violent and hateful people on the planet.

The same violent people that has helped this entire planet time after time again throughout the last 100 years and not to mention funding most of NATO have given more in humanity aid than any other nation, yeah, so hateful and violent.

Also, how did Bush get involved in this? How is that relevant?

Just astounding!

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Are you kidding me? Americans have done and continue to show generosity, concern, and good will globally.

Nice joke. I'm sorry, but the US government has managed to kill over a million people in Middle East, and ruined the entire region.

But Americans probably think that America does nothing but help people in the entire world.

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Nice joke. I'm sorry, but the US government has managed to kill over a million people in Middle East, and ruined the entire region..

Again? Hmmmm, seems like Syria is destroying the entire country by themselves without the help of the US

But Americans probably think that America does nothing but help people in the entire world.

Funny, how people that never served and many Europeans can say things based on one-sided skewed media reports, not to mention, the same people that love to criticize the US are the same people that fail to condemn the how most of the people killed in the ME are killed by other muslims, but no one EVER wants to mention that.

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Well, let's get to the facts. Is America actually helping people all around the world? No. Actually, American economy would have collapsed without the help from the OTHERS. America is borrowing so much money from others, but can it ever pay it back? Hell no. It's economy would collapse if it did.

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"but the US government has managed to kill over a million people in Middle East"

I think you've mistaken Americans with the native inhabitants of that region, who have been killing each other in vast numbers long before the United States ever existed and will continue to do so after all the Americans pull out.

"America is borrowing so much money from others...."

Tell the Chinese, Japanese and others that they're no longer allowed to invest in US treasuries... and then see happens. LOL.

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T Anderson.....The statement were "Americans are the most violent hateful people on the planet". you refer to the government. Quite different in description!

As for the US military.....ANYTIME a nation has a disaster-US military Search and Rescue and humanitarian aid is there unless rejected. The Middle East is a mess and USA is NOT entirely to blame. The region has been a mess since Brits, French and Germans left. The war on terror was a failure. We spent way too much time in the region.

As for the economy....don't count on it! USA has incredible wealth within,

As for the nation as a whole....Leading the world in charities and child adoptions both US and internationally to start.

Not such a savage nation after all.

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What really ticks me off is the passivity of the American population accepting and condoning the false flags leading to illegal wars, striping of our rights, while going heavily in debt to fund the war and spying machines. The leadership of my USA is criminal! But hey, Walking Dead is on.

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One young man, possibly unstable even before going to ME, goes to ME and comes back to "civilization" certainly unstable. He was trained to kill. He killed. He regretted and killed himself afterwards. Who did he protect?

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bass4funk: "the same people that love to criticize the US are the same people that fail to condemn the how most of the people killed in the ME are killed by other muslims, but no one EVER wants to mention that"

Was this guy Muslim? If not, what's your point? besides moot, I mean.

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This kind of news always brings out the heavy haters. The loopiest fingers-in-ears exchange was when Romeo's Obama-blaming was upstaged by Zenpun's rant about George Bush slaughtering innocent animals down on the ranch. I want those two to weigh in again and tell us what % of the blame in this case rests with the President of their choice. Bonus points if blame can be attached to obscure politicians whose names are no longer familiar. Minus points if they go on a tangent talking about peripheral players like David Petraeus or Eric Holder. Quadruple bonus points if they budge from their predictable-to-the-point-of-calcification orthodox views. Scoring this is going to get tricky like Yahtzee.

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Tragic, but surely a symptom of war weariness even in the armed forces. Bass, i know you genuinely believe that NATO wars and US interventions are a good thing, but not sure that the results bear out the initial good intentions. as for Syria, it is entirely plausible to draw a line of causation for Syria and the Arab spring all the way back to the toppling of Saddam.

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Tragic indeed. Intolerable strain being placed on the US military fighting in wars in which many of them do not see the distinction between right and wrong. both Iraq and Afghanistan it is arguable that the US's "allies" are just as distasteful as their "enemies".

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(Obama) had just met with about 25 donors at a previously scheduled fundraiser for the Democratic National Committee

He was at a fundraiser. It's what a CinC does in times like these.

So sorry that the shooter didn't check with Obama's schedule beforehand.

Nice joke. I'm sorry, but the US government has managed to kill over a million people in Middle East, and ruined the entire region.

Those people would've ruined each other with or without the US involvement. Sunnis and Shiites hate each other.

People here seem to have this idealized view of the world that people all over the globe are peaceful by themselves. No, in many places, people kill each other for various reasons. That's the grisly truth of human nature throughout history.

Well, let's get to the facts. Is America actually helping people all around the world? No. Actually, American economy would have collapsed without the help from the OTHERS. America is borrowing so much money from others, but can it ever pay it back? Hell no. It's economy would collapse if it did.

Most U.S. debts are actually to Americans, though foreign debt is also substantial. U.S. economy would collapse, but other economies would collapse too because they're relying on Americans buying their crap. That's why they won't let the U.S. economy to collapse. Instead, they invest on the U.S. debt because they know that's one of the better ways to return an interest.

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@akbfan

Tragic, but surely a symptom of war weariness even in the armed forces. Bass, i know you genuinely believe that NATO wars and US interventions are a good thing, but not sure that the results bear out the initial good intentions. as for Syria, it is entirely plausible to draw a line of causation for Syria and the Arab spring all the way back to the toppling of Saddam.

I'm not saying that every intervention is ideal, Iraq is one thing, but as for Syria and Russia, I would proce with caution, but at least, I do think, we should have a side presense, particularly in the Ukraine more as a deterrent than anything else.

@fizzbit

I agree, another 2 more years until the nightmare is behind us.

@thomas

Well, let's get to the facts. Is America actually helping people all around the world?

No country is perfect, not even America, but it HAS done more good in general than any other nation over the last 100 years and that's a fact.

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These shootings can always be justified in the US only because Americans really believe they are helping the world. 'It's the price we pay for freedom'. What a crock. It is the US propaganda machine that is responsible for it and they are very good at it. But look at the trail of destruction and complete lack of exit plans by the US in too many countries. The list grows longer year by year. There is only one success story that the US helped bring about and that is Japan. Can anyone think of another US invasion that is a success story? It certainly ain't Nicaragua, Panama, Vietnam, Libya, Iraq or Afghanistan, and they are the ones that first come to mind.

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War breaks people but keeps broken governments in place.

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America's military 'interventions' have been based on selfish reasons. That's understandable. Whether they have been good or bad for the countries involved is incidental.

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" War breaks people but keeps broken governments in place."

Isn't THAT the truth!

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These shootings can always be justified in the US only because Americans really believe they are helping the world. 'It's the price we pay for freedom'. What a crock.

Europe is doing fine, the same goes for most of Asia, load of crock, hardly.

It is the US propaganda machine that is responsible for it and they are very good at it.

Propaganda, only for the people that believe there is a propaganda going on.

But look at the trail of destruction and complete lack of exit plans by the US in too many countries.

That happens a lot in most wars.

The list grows longer year by year. There is only one success story that the US helped bring about and that is Japan.

There are a lot more. Please don't forget the humanitarian aid that the U.S. Provides to many third world countries.

Can anyone think of another US invasion that is a success story? It certainly ain't Nicaragua, Panama, Vietnam, Libya, Iraq or Afghanistan, and they are the ones that first come to mind.

That depends on what your definition of success is. Success doesn't have to be to YOUR personal liking, because you are not reaping any benifits from it.

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Someone asked how could George W. Bush be mentioned in regard to this 100% preventable tragedy.

Well, if prosecuting Wars based on lies and fabricated evidence for private profit and sending US Soldiers to their deaths and permanent disfigurement in off the shelf passenger SUVs sound like your cup of tea, then George W. Bush is blameless.

This soldier, as reported, suffered multiple deployments and was moved to Hood only two months prior to his meltdown breaking whatever continuity of care he may have had.

Somehow, somebody, mostly GOP-Tea pundits, want to blame Obama for Bush's lies and feckless administration. That may be politically satisfying to Americans who continue to lie about Bush/Cheney wars of private profit but this soldier deserved better as do all Americans who have loved ones serving their country.

Apparently ignorance is bliss and some prefer stupid to smart because it makes robbing them blind a cake walk. Americans have also been charged here as vicious. That is a baseless claim.

Americans are victims of the George W. Bush administration and the media seems only now waking up to the destructive results of Bush's private Wars for profit. This soldier, his mad act and the destruction Bush created can't be ignored, there are too many witnesses including the suffering of this soldier, his family and those who will suffer for years to come because of George W. Bush.

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What drugs was the guy on -- that is the one thing that never gets revealed in all shooting incidents.

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Someone asked how could George W. Bush be mentioned in regard to this 100% preventable tragedy.

And The U.S. Would have been better off with Saddam still in power, right? Not to mention, the oppressed Kurds and Shiites

Well, if prosecuting Wars based on lies and fabricated evidence for private profit and sending US Soldiers to their deaths and permanent disfigurement in off the shelf passenger SUVs sound like your cup of tea, then George W. Bush is blameless.

So then if you want to talk about lies, don't forget to include, the Brits, the Russians, the Israelis and the French all came up with the same intelligence, so they were lying as well, I guess. By the way, more soldiers died in Afghanistan under Obama just to set the record straight, not to mention as you said the permanent disfigurement and most of these men and women knew that that could be a possibility when going into battle. That's what soldiers do, they fight in wars.

This soldier, as reported, suffered multiple deployments and was moved to Hood only two months prior to his meltdown breaking whatever continuity of care he may have had.

I do think that somewhere the ball was dropped with this guy. If it were preventable, who knows.

Somehow, somebody, mostly GOP-Tea pundits, want to blame Obama for Bush's lies and feckless administration. That may be politically satisfying to Americans who continue to lie about Bush/Cheney wars of private profit but this soldier deserved better as do all Americans who have loved ones serving their country.

Obama is doing a great job of destroying the country by his lonesome self and if anyone is making a profit right now, it's the Dems that are allocating all of our resources and and downsizing our military and for what? To pump it into a socialized healthcare system that for the most part doesn't work and most people hate? China and Russia are increasing their military budget and we look like complete idiots.

Apparently ignorance is bliss and some prefer stupid to smart because it makes robbing them blind a cake walk. Americans have also been charged here as vicious. That is a baseless claim.

Agreed 110%

Americans are victims of the George W. Bush administration and the media seems only now waking up to the destructive results of Bush's private Wars for profit. This soldier, his mad act and the destruction Bush created can't be ignored, there are too many witnesses including the suffering of this soldier, his family and those who will suffer for years to come because of George W. Bush.

Sorry, Bush had no more to do with what this man did, for all we know, he could have been deranged because of the Obama military budget cuts, I mean, we will never know. So for anyone to make that kind of statement is so far off and is thinking like a true partisan. I know you liberals want to blame Bush for the solar eclipse, but this is happening under Obama's watch and by the way, when did Obama EVER care for our military? When? This is all NEW news to me. Obama and MOST liberals hate the military, but now some of you care. It's just completely nauseating when I hear this hypocrisy.

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@Bass

I guess I wasn't clear enough. Mu fault. The American government has been criminal since 1846. The illegal claiming of Indian land by the settlers could be classified under ignorance. But the flat out false flag attack by the illegal incursions of American troops along the Rio Grande, eventually instigating an attack by the Mexican troops, and leading to a Mexican loss (because they didn't plan for it) with America "occupying" the whole Southwest is total gangster mentality. And this was one year after the US annexing of Texas.

Well. after that story, how could Putin be so bad? The western elite loves this guy! Besides, Putin has just given them a 3% jump in their MIC stocks

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I guess I wasn't clear enough. Mu fault. The American government has been criminal since 1846. The illegal claiming of Indian land by the settlers could be classified under ignorance.

I see. But you're giving the British, the French, the Dutch, the Spanish, the Portuguese, the Chinese, the Japanese and pretty much virtually everyone that has profited handsomely and benefited from stolen and confiscated land, raped, butchered and brutally murdered millions between them a pass? So what would you call that, pure coincidental? No country was immune to that, that's how land was acquired, you didn't like it, guess what? You gave it up willingly (which most people didn't do) or you fought for it.

But the flat out false flag attack by the illegal incursions of American troops along the Rio Grande, eventually instigating an attack by the Mexican troops, and leading to a Mexican loss (because they didn't plan for it) with America "occupying" the whole Southwest is total gangster mentality. And this was one year after the US annexing of Texas.

This is not History 101! Again, I could go over country after country that has done far worse. Sorry, but you're NOT making any significant points.

Well. after that story, how could Putin be so bad? The western elite loves this guy! Besides, Putin has just given them a 3% jump in their MIC stocks.

Putin a bad guy? Naaaw! He just still thinks we're living in the 19th Century, therefore it's ok to do a power land grab. A 21st century KGB thug with 19th Century Czar attitude. So I guess it's ok for Russia to take the rest of the Ukraine (he wouldn't be THAT stupid) or how about the Baltic States and why we're at it how about letting China annex Taiwan and Tibet and the Senkaku islands?

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@bass nice retort!

So spare us these comments

Yes, most definitely, thank you for your service and all you do to ensure our freedoms

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People seem to focus on PTSD so much, to the exclusion of other possible factors.

There is a possibilty the shooter might have been victim of sexual assault. It's quite common in the U.S. army, according to their official statistics.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault_in_the_United_States_military#Sexual_Assault_Against_Men

The interesting part being that 1-2% out of 1.2M personnel is significant indeed.

Personally, if I would experience something like that, the perpetrators would be as good as dead the next time I'd get my hands on a gun with live ammo.

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@fizzbit

Why? It's the truth, whether you want to accept it or not. You should be thankful.

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@bass

I guess I should tell you you're talking to a vet. The only freedom I fought for was for the oil company's. I'd recommend you think a little deeper.

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@fizzbit

Oh, I do and I thank you for your services, but there are sadly some vets, that have completely left the range when making those kind of statements. You served, but there are thousands that served as well that don't prescribe to your personal viewpoint.

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Like John Kerry? lol

Well, have a nice weekend anyway.

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