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Oregon bans guns from Capitol, demands safe storage in homes

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Jim Mischel, of Sheridan, Oregon, provided written testimony to lawmakers describing how his wife woke up when he was away one night in 1981. She heard a noise, went to investigate and saw a stranger in their home.

She tried to get a pistol that was in a locked gun box in the nightstand out but was unable to before the man got into the bedroom and threatened her with his gun, Mischel said.

mandating that a weapon should be stored in a safe and/or bound with a trigger lock is called infringing on the right to keep and bear arms.

IP 18 would ban the sale of assault-style weapons in Oregon. IP 17 would ban the sale of large-capacity magazines 

so is this. 'assault-style weapons' account for about 2% of all gun deaths in the US, but are the most popular sporting rifle in America. California has a high-capacity magazine ban but in San Jose recently, "authorities said the gunman Wednesday used all three (hand)guns to fire off dozens of rounds, freely reloading (12-15 round magazines) as he mowed down his coworkers. Sheriff Laurie Smith noted that reloading a semi-automatic handgun is “very quick.”"

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/05/27/san-jose-mass-shooting-killer-evaded-californias-tough-gun-laws/

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so is this. 'assault-style weapons' account for about 2% of all gun deaths in the US,

But what percentage of mass shootings? It seems pretty regular that these mass shooters are reported as using AR15s.

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mandating that a weapon should be stored in a safe and/or bound with a trigger lock is called infringing on the right to keep and bear arms.

Or as we like to call it in non-war zones, "sanity".

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I'm quite certain if someone was killed or injured because they obtained access to an unsecured gun the gun owner could face prosecution in most states - even before these useless laws were enacted. This is nothing more than "I help" optics to satisfy the rabid gun-control activists.

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But what percentage of mass shootings? It seems pretty regular that these mass shooters are reported as using AR15s.

"Handguns are the most common weapon type used in mass shootings in the United States, with a total of 144 different handguns being used in 96 incidents between 1982 and April 2021. These figures are calculated from a total of 123 reported cases over this period, meaning handguns are involved in about 78 percent of mass shootings."

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/

"The research team found that (mass shooting) events with a handgun were associated with a higher percentage of people killed, whereas events involving a rifle were associated with more people shot. About 26 percent of those shot with a handgun had more than one fatal wound, versus two percent of people shot with a rifle. Handguns were also more likely to be associated with brain and heart injuries."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-gunshots-idUSKCN1OU11G

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Or as we like to call it in non-war zones, "sanity".

Seems the Supreme Court disagreed, when striking down DC's similar law in 2008,

Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional.

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Ban all guns. It works literally everywhere else.

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"Ban all guns. It works literally everywhere else."

Not in my country where law abiding citizens are prohibited from owning firearms but there is still a proliferation of illegal firearms and a flourishing illegal gun manufacturing industry.

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yep, then only criminals have guns and I have no way to protect myself from those criminals.

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yep, then only criminals have guns and I have no way to protect myself from those criminals.

Don't think you understand what "ban" means.

Not in my country where law abiding citizens are prohibited from owning firearms but there is still a proliferation of illegal firearms and a flourishing illegal gun manufacturing industry.

What is your country? I've asked you multiple times before, but you're always very coy. Almost like you're making it up.

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Ban all guns. It works literally everywhere else

ALL guns? no military/police/armed security personnel?

whats all guns? air pistols and rifles? no olympic shooting, then. starter pistols or blank firing guns? easily convertible to live fire. ghost guns? they don't even know how many of those there are, let alone take them all in.

and what if they pass a law saying all guns are banned? what about the 3 to 4 hundred million already in circulation? who will you send out for those? your disarmed national guard? against their own country people? because you know theres lots of Americans who aren't going to just give up their guns.

and wheres 'literally everywhere else?' and when/how did they 'ban' guns? You need to be specific with that one, because it's not entirely true.

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"What is your country? I've asked you multiple times before, but you're always very coy. Almost like you're making it up."

Really? Can't recollect any previous conversation with you on this topic.

Anyways, if you are so keen to know, my country has the second highest number of firearms in private hands after the US in absolute terms inspite of having some of the strictest gun laws in the world. Most of these firearms (almost 90%) are illegally manufactured and procured, so I am skeptical that the arguments that the pro-gun control folks throw out would actually work in a place like the US.

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Can you "ban" criminals from anything and it actually means something?

Or are we playing word games again?

Don't think you understand what "ban" means.

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Jim Mischel, of Sheridan, Oregon, provided written testimony to lawmakers describing how his wife woke up when he was away one night in 1981. She heard a noise, went to investigate and saw a stranger in their home.

Must be a real serious issue if you only have d to go back 40 years to find an example.

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"The research team found that (mass shooting) events with a handgun were associated with a higher percentage of people killed, whereas events involving a rifle were associated with more people shot. About 26 percent of those shot with a handgun had more than one fatal wound, versus two percent of people shot with a rifle. Handguns were also more likely to be associated with brain and heart injuries."

Wow, you Americans have really mastered the nuances of which guns are better for killing each other, and how to do it even! Thanks for the window into your culture.

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Can you "ban" criminals from anything and it actually means something?

If only there were countries in the world where guns were banned, where we could look at the number of shooting incidents per capita to see how effective banning guns is.

If only...

If only...

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Anyways, if you are so keen to know, my country has the second highest number of firearms in private hands after the US in absolute terms inspite of having some of the strictest gun laws in the world. Most of these firearms (almost 90%) are illegally manufactured and procured, so I am skeptical that the arguments that the pro-gun control folks throw out would actually work in a place like the US.

The reason I want to know the name of your country is that, depending on how you define it, gun ownership might be higher in India, or the Falkland Islands, or Canada, or Mexico. You need to tell me what it is, instead of dancing around it.

Canada, for example, has many illegal firearms pour across its border. These come from a country with huge amounts of legal firearms. This could be drastically reduced by said country making guns illegal.

But I won't tell you which one.

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Anyways, if you are so keen to know, my country has the second highest number of firearms in private hands after the US in absolute terms inspite of having some of the strictest gun laws in the world. Most of these firearms (almost 90%) are illegally manufactured and procured, so I am skeptical that the arguments that the pro-gun control folks throw out would actually work in a place like the US.

Alternatively: I have dual-citizenship in a country where guns were banned on a particular date. After that date, there hasn't been one shooting. Not one. Not a single one. There were mass shootings daily before the gun ban. Afterwards? Not a single one. Not one gun has been shot in that country for decades. And that's not all. After the gun ban, people got more attractive, the GDP rose 5000%, and the smell of a delicacy from one of the local restaurants can make you float, like a cartoon.

That's how I know gun bans work, and are good.

I have given you all the information you need to find this country. So you can look it up for yourself.

You might find what I say unbelievable. Unrealistic. You might even accuse me of selectively choosing statistics.

I could, of course, clear all this up by just telling you what country I'm talking about.

But I won't. And you have to accept the truth of what I'm saying. As you are asking me to.

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Uh huh. All that yet can tell me how I supposedly misunderstand the word “ban”. And how it magically prevents a criminal from having a gun anyway.

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And for all people living here in Japan, we are all safe from guns. Don't even need to think about it. Zero dread.

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Uh huh. All that yet can tell me how I supposedly misunderstand the word “ban”. 

I cannot tell you why you misunderstand this word. This is a question you must answer yourself.

And how it magically prevents a criminal from having a gun anyway.

It's not magic. It's the truth. As we can see from the results of other countries that have banned guns.

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Uh huh. All that yet can tell me how I supposedly misunderstand the word “ban”. And how it magically prevents a criminal from having a gun anyway.

Alas, there's no way of knowing, seeing as there has never been a culture we could use for comparison, in any of humanity anywhere that didn't decide they didn't want guns within their society, to determine how gun bans work. At the moment, it's entirely theoretical, and purely speculative.

Alas.

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If only there were countries in the world where guns were banned, where we could look at the number of shooting incidents per capita to see how effective banning guns is.

like Mexico or Venezuela?

Mexico’s gun laws are similar to those in countries like the United Kingdom that do not allow citizens’ possession of certain lethal firearms. 

Venezuela has brought a new gun law into effect which bans the commercial sale of firearms and ammunition.

both have more shooting deaths than the States. both are countries in the world.

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like Mexico or Venezuela?

Woah I wonder if there are any other factors involved, such as high rates of poverty and political instability, often created by US foreign policy designed to keep narcotics flowing from one and destabilize the other. Oh well. Guess we'll have to keep wondering.

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like Mexico or Venezuela?

Yes, I think they are pretty equivalent to modern day America, and the appropriate countries to use as comparisons when figuring out whether America is doing something right or not.

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"The reason I want to know the name of your country is that, depending on how you define it, gun ownership might be higher in India, or the Falkland Islands, or Canada, or Mexico"

So now we are down to 4 choices. You are doing good. I mentioned that my country has the second highest number of guns in private hands in absolute terms. Keep at it, you will eventually crack the quiz.

"Woah I wonder if there are any other factors involved, such as high rates of poverty and political instability"

Don't deflect. You made a sweeping statement that gun bans work, and I gave the example of my country where they don't. Others have provided the examples of other countries like Mexico and Venezuela. Your arguments are failing.

"Canada, for example, has many illegal firearms pour across its border."

That further supports the argument that strict gun laws (like in Canada) may end up hurting only the law abiding citizens. The guns pouring from across the border in Canada end up in the hands of the drug gangs. Banning guns only hurts the law abiding citizens who are fond of hunting or more importantly, want to keep their guns for self defense.

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Ban all guns. It works literally everywhere else

If only there were countries in the world where guns were banned, 

Mexico or Venezuela. If you mean countries that are economically, politically and socially similar to America, then say that. You'd have a point.

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Keep at it, you will eventually crack the quiz.

I know! took me exactly 0.5 seconds to google, based on what you said. But then I'm not into deflecting, misrepresenting or insulting instead of engaging properly.

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Must be a real serious issue if you only have d to go back 40 years to find an example.

"She has never recovered,” he said. But sure. Be glib.

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