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Palin resigns as Alaska governor; keeps plans secretWASILLA, Alaska
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Was the job just too much? Now this is a true leader quits without finishing out her term. Oh how Nixon like of her......LOL
Not even one complete term as a governor. Her growing partisanship and unpopularity makes her vulnerable to an embarrassment in the 2010 gubernatorial race, and so she acts true to form. Always the "beauty queen."
Booooiiiing!! Here come the conservatives to fight for Sarah's honor.
She is too smart!
She does too teach proper sex education!
I think I failed in my attempt to show emphasis they way I intended it to be. I think it should have been:
She is too smart!
Yeah, to all students how to avoid teenage pregnancy.
Heh.....I almost feel sorry for the GOP.
Palin and Rush leading the shrieks.......
How long am I going to have to wait to see the reasonable Repub's that I know exist break ranks and form a non-extremist party?
Come again? Palin is bailing on her 1st term job so she can focus on a run for POTUS? The lust for power is more alluring than finishing her job.
OK, I get that America is a democracy and anyone can become president, but if the GOP insists on propping up almost anyone to be president, then perhaps America should lose the nukes. We don't need some American ayatollah from the radical Right in proximity to the big button.
2008: $1200 (bonus) +$2069 for each Alaska resident that has lived there for over a year. (=Palin family of 6 =x6 >$19,000)
+the state still has a surplus in the billions. Contrast that with California that is now issuing IOUs.
Typical conservative deceit. Alaskans have been receiving money from the Alaskan government for over 20 years that I know of; probably many more. Most of us have known about this for years; you are not telling us anything new. They get the revenues or the abundance of revenues from the oil company's oil extraction. The population of Alaska is so low relative to the revenue from resources alone that they can do this.
Once again a conservative tries to deceive us. Something that was done long before Sarah got into office and it will be done long after she leaves.
Hahaha... another good day for the US.
What a complete loser Palin is. Can't even finish her first term. I DO hope she runs for President in the future -- it guarantees a win for the Democrats, and probably a definite end to the Republican party as a single party. Good riddance. My guess is she won't get any nomination for Pres., and will be forgotten soon enough since she walked out of a job that COULD have gotten her close in the future.
Woah. Wasn't expecting this.
Yeah. I had to read that headline twice. I did not see that one coming.
Man, some of you sexist freaks. Look, she resigned. What more do you want? You have allowed SNL to make incest remarks against her family, you supported Dave Letterman's disgusting rants, which I do believe he still deserves at least a punch in the face from Todd (I guess he's just weak). And you are still in that obsessed mode giving her crap. Would you have all been happy if she was found hanging from the ceiling.
really, I'm disappointed in many of many my so called peaceful and more mature posters here.
smith: My guess is she won't get any nomination for Pres., and will be forgotten soon enough since she walked out of a job that COULD have gotten her close in the future." SNL has stated that their little incest skit, as disgusting as I found it, is now considered a classic. didn't think so many here found that to be funny.
its good she resigned, now if a lot more dems and repubs who have been there waaaay too long resign, the gov can start fixing itself.
She's toast. Done. Finished. Over. She'll never hold office again. What is she thinking?
Top ten new jobs for Sarah Palin
1) stew on southwest airlines 2) on air personality for fox news 3) weather girl for local station 4) geography teacher at local elementary school 5) fashion advisor for aspiring divas 6) professional newspaper reader 7) family planning adviser 8) teen pregnancy adviser 9) doctoral adviser on bush doctrine 10) puppet for oil companies (oh, that is current job)
Nobody is saying a woman should not be president. Learn the definition of sexist. Believe it or not it is a separate issue if we think they put her in the V.P. slot because she was a woman; to get votes. Nobody is discriminating against her because she is a woman and nobody is fostering a stereotype through her. It is just another case of you misusing a word.
skipthesong believes everyone should resign from office if they are running for a different office. He has said that many times. That would be stupid. skipthesong has many times shown examples of how he thinks the rules of politics can be rewritten just because he chooses to change the rules. He said he was running before for congress (this was not long after the 2006 election and he referenced the 2008 election indirectly) and that election has past now skipthesong has recently again said he will run. Time will tell.
I am quite sure that most of us will be willing to admit that we are even more surprised if she does not run in 2012. This was a surprise but unless she is in some legal trouble that we are not aware of we expect her to run in 2012.
If she does run in 2012 she is a shadow figure now and deserves the full public criticism. She will be seeking praise. She will be seeking money. Tell me to lay off Sarah Palin. I will tell you to go to hell.
If you are doing a good job in that executive position how can you make a statement like that? Either you are an ineffective governor or you should be the one guiding those public dollars as you sign the budget bills. I think it is reasonable to say that if you are the best person for the Governorship of Alaska then you serve Alaska until something more important takes you away from that task. All the conservatives brag what a great job she is doing serving the Alaskan citizens; well I want to hear a reasonable explanation why she should now bail on them.
Don't get me wrong. I have sincerely said it before and I will say it again, I want Sarah Palin to run for President. The other Republican candidates will decimate her in the Republican primary debates. She probably needs to start cramming now for the answers.
zurcronium, I never thought of that but that is a very real possibility.
skipthesong: 'smith: My guess is she won't get any nomination for Pres., and will be forgotten soon enough since she walked out of a job that COULD have gotten her close in the future." SNL has stated that their little incest skit, as disgusting as I found it, is now considered a classic. didn't think so many here found that to be funny.'
You get far too emotional sometimes, my friend, and it shows plain as day in your inability to link things together. Prime example: look at what you quoted from my comment. Then look at what you follow it up with. What does SNL have to do with my comment that she might have had a chance at nomination if she didn't walk out of her job? Where did I mention incest?
Come on, bud. Take a breath and relax a little.
And punching someone in the face is not deserved at all, regardless of any cracks you've made. It's the punch that makes you weak, not the willingness to avoid such a confrontation and show you are above the wisecracker -- as tasteless as the 'joke' may be.
No No Good Donkey, You chose a party, over the person. You chose a party over all that was important, and you lucked out with someone who did not have much more experience than did Palin (but actually I thought the lack of political experience was a good thing). I say you are sexist because you have not once here criticised any of the bumblings of her male counter parts, like Obama misquote we had 60 states, or the great Joe Biden stupid remarks. You laughed with Dave Letterman's joke as well as SNL's skits. Ok, you are not a sexist in the dictionary sense, but you know had she been a dem or a man, you'd lay off her a lot more than you have.
As for me running GD, I really have thought about it. I just need a place to call home (I sure can't do it in Tokyo). And yes, I believe sooooo many of the rules need to change. Oh, aren't you old enough to witness that the dems changed the filibuster about from 67 to 60 in the 70's? So my friend, rules can change. If she takes up the the chance as prez as a third party, I may vote for her now that at least I know something about her and unlike so many of you vote for someone we don't know anything about.
Did you really enjoy that incest joke?
If her aim is to try for the presidency next time, surely there is no need for her to lower her own stock by throwing in her job so precipitously.
Maybe she's finally realised that her special-needs child needs his mother more than Alaska (or America) needs her.
Palin is quitter. She pledged to do her utmost for the state of Alaska - so she quits.
The timing of her quitting - right before the July 4th national holiday - is purposely tailored to avoid publlicity.
Fred Malek, a Republican strategist who has advised Palin over the past year, said Palin was "really unhappy with the way her life was going."
And she didn't even tell Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell. He said he was told on Wednesday evening, and was not aware that any presidential ambitions were behind the move. U.S. Sen. Mark Begich, D-Alaska, said Palin didn't inform him during a 45-minute meeting Wednesday.
In a hastily arranged news conference at her home in suburban Wasilla, Palin said, "Many just accept that lame duck status, and they hit that road. They draw a paycheck. They kind of milk it. And I'm not going to put Alaskans through that."
As usual, hardly anyone actually understood what the heck she was talking about.
skipthesong: "If she takes up the the chance as prez as a third party, I may vote for her now that at least I know something about her and unlike so many of you vote for someone we don't know anything about."
I would hope you would vote for her based on support for her principles/campaign (promises), etc., not simply because she starts a third party; otherwise you're EXACTLY like someone who votes for someone they know nothing about.
Also, AGAIN, stop getting so emotional! While some who voted for Obama didn't know much or anything about him, there are plenty who did, so stop lumping everyone into some black and white group. There are always people in elections who know nothing about the people they vote for (other than a name, or that they subsribe to a specific belief, etc.), pretending it's limited to Obama supporters is absurd.
"Did you really enjoy that incest joke?"
Are you addressing someone in particular here, or are you again lumping anyone who doesn't like/agree with Palin into a group of people (and a small one, methinks) who support such poor jokes?
Palin is and always will be a joke, and an extreme hypcrite. She won't go anywhere further in national politics in the long run, and will die out over the short. Now that she's quit, aside from a few die-hard supporters (god knows why!), she'll lose a LOT of support she might have gotten later in a run for nomination.
What's more, there were articles yesterday about what REALLY happened after the election and with the Republican infighting (oddly absent from JT), showing a much more splintered party than many on the Right want to admit (but that many of the Left clearly pointed out was the case). Those supporters now face a very serious choice: support Palin and separate from the majority of Republican interests, or ditch your support for Palin (as I think most will) for the survival of a single party.
Sushi: "As usual, hardly anyone actually understood what the heck she was talking about." :)
I hope she does a whole lot of interviews -- I could use a few serious laughs.
The people that are hellbent on destroying her is the reason she is resigning.
She can't do the job the people elected her to do anymore. From her resignation statement.
Political operatives descended on Alaska last August, digging for dirt. The ethics law that I championed became their weapon of choice over the past nine months. I’ve been accused of all sorts of frivolous ethics violations, such as holding a fish in a photograph or wearing a jacket with a logo on it and answering reporters’ questions. Every one of these, though, all 15 of the ethics complaints have been dismissed. We have won, but it hasn’t been cheap. The state has wasted thousands of hours of your time and shelled out some two million of your dollars to respond to opposition research and that’s money that’s not going to fund teachers, or troopers or safer roads.
And this political absurdity, the politics of personal destruction, Todd and I, we’re looking at more than half a million dollars in legal bills just in order to set the record straight. And what about the people who offer up these silly accusations? It doesn’t cost them a dime. So they’re not going to stop draining the public resources, spending other people’s money in this game. They won’t stop.
It’s pretty insane. My staff and I spend most of our day — we’re dealing with this stuff instead of progressing our state now.
I cannot say any of the jokes or jibes taken individually were so bad or undeserved. But the collective mass of those jokes is what makes them truly over-the-top meanspirited. That is all the sympathy I have for Palin, that the jokers just could not let it go and had to keep picking at it. I hope her detractors can let it go now, or at least keep the gloves on. She has taken way more than her fair of barbs concerning her personal life, which is, frankly, easier to do to a woman. I cannot say that most of the shots were not on the money, there were just too many. If you refuse to see that, you are a vindictive cretin who likes to kick people when they are down. Sailwind does have a point, I just don't think he is stating his case very well. I don't agree with his reasoning, but then, feeling overwhelmed how much reason could I expect?
The left needs to find a new punching bag. Hopefully one we can tear apart mostly for his or her politics, like we did with Bush.
smitty: Are you addressing someone in particular here, or are you again lumping anyone who doesn't like/agree with Palin into a group of people (and a small one, methinks) who support such poor jokes?" Everyone I know who basically became a Palin hater, I mean a real hater in the third degree, laughed. That pissed me off. You can hardly say the media was fair to her. Hell, the guy just getting caught with a mistress using state funds won't get even half of what she got. Its hard not to get emotional in times like that. I'm the sentimental type I guess.
if she did run for a third party, which is highly need, I would at least look at her. Right now, I know nothing about her except the jokes. how is she a hypocrite? She wants kids to think about not having sex and then her daughter gets knocked up hardly qualifies her herself as being a hypocrite. When was the last you time you listened to anything your parents told you? 13?
SushiSake3-" Palin is quitter. She pledged to do her utmost for the state of Alaska - so she quits."
This is very circular. Seems to me that the attitude of her detractors was that she ought to quit. When they get their way it looks very silly to then call her a quitter. But with all the psychological oppression going on, that silliness can get over-looked.
"The timing of her quitting - right before the July 4th national holiday - is purposely tailored to avoid publlicity."
A smart tactic, given all the heat she has already taken. I cannot blame her one iota. In fact, I doff my cap to her.
In other news, if we do not stop kicking Palin, we will only strengthen the Republicans. By going to far, her detractors make the Democrats look bad. To a degree, the damage is already done. Slapping Palin more will just make it worse. It time to let her stand up and move on. Just don't apologize. The right sure wouldn't. They consider it to be a sign of weakness.
I have had my views since you were in diapers. You are as wishy washy as they come. I have seen you be consistent. You consistently flip flop. I have already disagreed with Obama on business issues. Obama had more experience than President Lincoln had before his first term as president. Far more then Sarah who?
You just don't get it. I admire those guys. Sexist is an ignorant word to use because it is improper. I criticized Mitt, Johnnie Mac, and so many others you look ridiculous comparing my comments to her as a female to male politicians. The number one point that I can make that makes your characterization of me as a sexist entirely incompetent on your part is that I had hoped Hillary Clinton would be president and Obama president later. I still want Hillary Clinton to be president. Either you are unwilling to acknowledge you are dead wrong or you are totally oblivious to the meaning of "sexist."
Don't tell me what I did and you put yourself in legal jeopardy by publicly telling others. You are making a statement of fact. Read my posts and you will find skipthesong's statement of fact to be fallacious.
I said "can change" you say "need to change." What's the difference - right skip? Sheesh!
It didn't change because one day someone said I want this changed. I specifically said, "skipthesong has many times shown examples of how he thinks the rules of politics can be rewritten just because he chooses to change the rules." That is a far cry from the effort it took to change the cloture rule from 2/3 to 3/5 which took place in 1975.
Well then it appears your comments have a political agenda after all. Unlike you I have always admitted that I often have a political agenda. I like my liberal ideas. I draw my own conclusions. I'll bet you will never find leaders like I support that match my political and social views so closely to my own. I have studied Business at the graduate level and the Democrats have moved significantly toward open trade and lower deficits which I believe in. This huge annual deficit we see this year is because of circumstances most of you have made quite clear you don't understand. Some of you recognize how close we were toward spinning into a depression. I have said Bush did the right thing by saving our financial institutions. I think you will see Obama moving toward deficit reduction once our economy is fully stable. However, I want to first see sustainable GDP growth. You said, "... and unlike so many of you vote for someone we don't know anything about." Like I said so many times before I followed Obama since I heard him on a Chicago PBS station in 1996.
Finally skipthesong said:
Grow up I said he should apologize. I can't apologize for him. I never watch D.L. I was also the one who said to quit discussing little girls when people went on and on in the thread.
By the way I am 50. I knew and supported what Obama ran on during his campaign. You said I chose "party over all that was important". I guess that means more than I am closely in agreement with Obama that you are in greater agreement with Palin since you said you are willing to vote for her and you accused me of giving up what is important.
Skipthesong: "Right now, I know nothing about her except the jokes."
And yet earlier you state: "I may vote for her now that at least I know something about her and unlike so many of you vote for someone we don't know anything about."
Look, I'm not trying to pick on you. I'm just pointing out that you're wearing your heart on your sleeve on this one, and it doesn't benefit your arguments any. You're jumping back and forth saying people are sexist freaks, those who don't like her therefore like incest jokes, if people think she's a hypocrite they therefore still listen to their parents (where's the link there??), etc.
"how is she a hypocrite? She wants kids to think about not having sex and then her daughter gets knocked up hardly qualifies her herself as being a hypocrite. When was the last you time you listened to anything your parents told you? 13?"
Dude, she touted the NEED for people to focus on motherhood while never being at home; talked about the need and importance of abstinence while her daughter engaged in out-of-wedlock sex, etc. I could go on.
Anyone that is not a Bilderburg, CFR, or Tri-Lateral must be crushed. We must increase our debt to the private, unaccountable Federal Reserve and buy carbon credits. Bow down to your supreme savior and puppet. Al Gore is your friend.
Sickning, but Dems (and Repubs) lap it up like manna from heaven. -and you wonder why so many are jobless?
skipthesong-"Hell, the guy just getting caught with a mistress using state funds won't get even half of what she got. "
This is like saying a guy employed a woman at his company just to be his mistress when in fact the affair just got started on the job, and that he went on company trips just to meet her, when in fact he really had business. I think you might be mischaracterizing, but I cannot remember the specifics. Besides, we don't care so much about affairs as long these people are not telling us not to have them, or hounding others for it. I don't much care about affairs either way so long as I don't have some zealot in office making laws against it.
"how is she a hypocrite? She wants kids to think about not having sex and then her daughter gets knocked up hardly qualifies her herself as being a hypocrite"
Three ways. One is that she did not believe in abstinence teaching enough to seriously and correctly teach her own children. Yet she is telling others to do this and telling us how it works. The other way is that never even tried to put those policies to practice in her own family and never bothered. Its possible. The third way is that her mouth keeps saying abstinence despite the fact that it did not work in her own family. Anyway you slice it, Palin is a hypocrite.
The other big hypocrisy though is not so much Palin, but with the abstinence crowd that supported her. Those people are so vehement in their abstinence teaching, that they will tear down any teen who gets pregnant with any number of slurs, and her family too. They will blame the mother of that teen, and pull no punches, and declare them all gutter trash....until.....Palin gets the Republican VP slot! Then we can hear the crickets chirp. Disgusting! Talk about selling your beliefs down the river just to win!
When a teen gets pregnant, the parents always get a big part of the blame. I do not agree with it either and I would rather not blame Palin myself, but guess what? The people who started that line of reasoning and run with it time and time again and very noisily so are not the pro-choicers.
There is so much hypocrisy here, that not being able to see it is to not see the forest for the trees.
GD and smith: man, you guys just slammed me, kicked sand in my face, and basically tattooed my face! I don't know how to respond. You two are providing with me very little entertainment today. GD: 50?
The faux concern shown here for the citizens of Alaska by Lefty Commonwealth types is hilarious.
She pledged to do her utmost for the state of Alaska - so she quits!
Ooooowwwwwwwwhhhh. It's all so sad. I think I'm gonna cry.
I never really believed in teaching my daughter abstinence. I prefer classic "liberal" education when it comes to having sex, you know if it feels good do it.
Gawd.....Where do these people come from? You wouldn't teach your daughter that not having sex until your ready? Is that not abstinence?????
It's her fault her daughter got pregnant?......Nuts, totally nuts.
skipthesong-"GD and smith: man, you guys just slammed me, kicked sand in my face, and basically tattooed my face! I don't know how to respond. You two are providing with me very little entertainment today. GD: 50?"
I think you are conceeding. Take my hand and stand up. Let me help you dust off. Lets keep it real.
Palin in 2012!
"Palin is and always will be a joke"
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that, buddy, heh heh.
One is that she did not believe in abstinence teaching enough to seriously and correctly teach her own children. Yet she is telling others to do this and telling us how it works. The other way is that never even tried to put those policies to practice in her own family and never bothered." Hold on, we don't know what she taught her children, and just because her daughter goes out and gives it up or gets talked into giving it up shouldn't really be held against Palin herself. You'll teach you kids things that they will counter and people will say at least you tried. If she told her kids to abstain at least she tried to do something about teen pregnancy and not for nothing, at the very least they didn't kick that daughter out of the house, instead they took in their grand kid and are doing their best to provide for him/her. That is a lot more than what is happening. I respect Palin for that. I don't know where you are from, but I know this teen pregnancy is a problem, especially in my community and no one is even trying to do something about it. Again, while I don't agree abstinence works, at least someone is trying to do something and I don't think its such a bad thing for kids to believe its the best way to go until they are ready.
No, I don't think she deserves the hypocrite award for this one.
In other words Blah, Blah, Blah, VICTIM CARD Yada, Yada, Yada.
Palin is a victim.
Superhero sailwind to her rescue. Nothing a hero likes more than a victim.
By the way here is how the "Board" (address: Palin's Pocket) dismisses allegations:
10 trips is approximately 14% of her trips that she agreed to reimburse.
All of the ethics complaints can be found at: The Anchorage Daily News
By the way, a considerable amount of the ethics violations surround the "Troopergate" affair. Many of us know her firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan was unethical. That is when we knew that the unscrupulous state personnel board was only authorized to rubberstamp Palin's behavior as pristine. (something like immaculate perception) I am not saying that all of the ethics complaints are valid. However, many Governor's have to attend to frivolous ethics complaints; it's part of the job. But if any new outlet says it is a lame excuse because it is a LAME EXCUSE - it will be called MEDIA BIAS!!!
Palin screams, "Help, Help I need a savior!"
sailwind is impervious to those wicked ethics violations.
skip: "Hold on, we don't know what she taught her children, and just because her daughter goes out and gives it up or gets talked into giving it up shouldn't really be held against Palin herself."
Bang on. We don't know what she taught her children at all, and can't rule out the possibility she was pressing for abstinence while showing her daughter the proper way to put on a condom. And I KNOW you can't hold it too much against Palin that her daughter went out and got knocked up, except that the pregnancy is a direct result of going against what her mother preached publicly (abstinence), while the daughter may have avoided pregnancy altogether if she knew more about safe sex. Still, as you say, Palin is not necessarily a hypocrite for preaching one thing while something else happened to her daughter; I did not explain myself fully enough. What's important is how someone reacts AFTER such an event. If Palin had said, for example, "My daughter is a prime example of why abstinence should be practiced", I would have believed more strongly in her (or at all).
More concrete examples of her hypocracy lie in her touting Christian values while pursuing career over special needs child (and family in general); decrying that the Dems engage in so-called pork-barrel projects while she was the main voice behind the 'bridge to nowhere', etc. etc.
And dude, her interviews contained so many contradictions in themselves that she was unintelligable. Go look at the Couric interview on YouTube again... it's blood hilarious!
Article above states "She didn’t say why she decided to step down..."
She did state, quite clearly, why she stepped down - because nobody does politics of personal destruction like "Liberals" and Democrats do, and it has obstructed her sincere desire to help not only her state but her country as much as she can.
New York Times carried the governor's statement; here is an excerpt
" Political operatives descended on Alaska last August, digging for dirt. The ethics law that I championed became their weapon of choice over the past nine months. [Typical Alinsky-Obama tactics, using the noble products of the democratic process against the citizenry, to ruin opponents who oppose the New Left's Gramscian agenda] I’ve been accused of all sorts of frivolous ethics violations, such as holding a fish in a photograph or wearing a jacket with a logo on it and answering reporters’ questions. Every one of these, though, all 15 of the ethics complaints have been dismissed. We have won, but it hasn’t been cheap. The state has wasted thousands of hours of your time and shelled out some two million of your dollars to respond to opposition research and that’s money that’s not going to fund teachers, or troopers or safer roads.
" And this political absurdity, the politics of personal destruction, Todd and I, we’re looking at more than half a million dollars in legal bills just in order to set the record straight. And what about the people who offer up these silly accusations? It doesn’t cost them a dime. So they’re not going to stop draining the public resources, spending other people’s money in this game. They won’t stop."
"It’s pretty insane. My staff and I spend most of our day — we’re dealing with this stuff instead of progressing our state now."
"And I know that I promised no more politics as usual but this isn’t what anyone had in mind for Alaska."
Sarge at 12:13 PM JST - 4th July
She needs to get started by early 2011 and actually make the proper gestures during the Holiday Season of 2010. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed. Hope she runs!
Sarge at 12:24 PM JST - 4th July
"Palin is and always will be a joke"
Personally, I don't have to keep telling myself that. It really would be too much since everyone else with any sense is also telling me that also. It really gets overwhelming when the whole world laughs at once.
Beaver: "This is very circular. Seems to me that the attitude of her detractors was that she ought to quit. When they get their way it looks very silly to then call her a quitter."
If she quits politics altogether, which she should, then yes. Particularly if it's to pursue the family values she claims to hold so high. If she quits her first term as governor without riding it out, only to pursue more lofty political ambitions, as may be the case, then not really.
That's funny I heard the Tri-Lateral Commission was yachting and disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle never to be seen again!
I see your still chuckling over the Letterman joke.
Having watched a fair bit footage of her speeches and interviews during the last election, I have to say that I was seriously underwhelmed by Palin. Don't know her personally, but she came across as either badly briefed or plain stupid. Anyway, I hope the GOP can come up with a better candidate before the next election, because Palin just is not the answer.
From her statement.
The state has wasted thousands of hours of your time and shelled out some two million of your dollars to respond to opposition research and that’s money that’s not going to fund teachers, or troopers or safer roads.
goodDonkey would consider that money well spent on that, instead of troopers, teachers and such.
Man, you can almost smell the fear.
Palin drew 20,000 last month at a speech she gave in upstate New York.
Joe "Big Lug" Biden failed to draw a crowd the other day when the WH sent him to Erie,PA. to keep him busy.
I can only speak for myself on this issue. It is a national goal to reduce teen pregnancies. Abstinence works to prevent teen pregnancies. The Republican Party Platform for the election still contained the goal to teach abstinence only sex education. Palin supports abstinence only education even after she knows from personal experience it is not effective. I did not bring up this topic. I am responding to your comment.
mccain really blew it when he put this cipher into the whirlwind (no pun). Just like bush the no nothing faith based loser crowd loves her cause she is christian and not smart. But the rest of us know better, she is a quitter and a loser.
Anyway, mccain making her VP candidate was probably the most insane thing he has done in his lifetime, well maybe other than the first divorce.
I cant keep up with the love party any longer, the republicans are like a second rate soap opera now. Its so great that the grown ups are now in charge in DC.
Too bad she didn't use the opportunity to say
"You won't have Palin to kick around anymore ..."
It would have been so apropos.
GoodDonkey is evidently proud of the Alinsky scum that now control our once-great Democrat Party and that have made the corrupt Chicago Machine the model.
She does not.......You just assumed that and have been rolling on that mime for months now. You never looked at her position on the issue have you?
Palin appears to disagree with McCain on sex education The Republican vice presidential candidate says students should be taught about condoms. Her running mate -- and the party platform -- disagree.
Marion Wm Steele
Rush Limbaugh should run for the Presidency and Palin as his VP
skipthesong: "You two are providing with me very little entertainment today. GD: 50?"
Well, I was about to say that this thread has become a bit of a bore, but sarge and teleprompter has stepped in and it's now back to the usual hilarity. The outright denial of some, and in particular teleprompter's attempts to rail against his losing points with 'Lefty Commonwealth' rants, is quite entertaining.
"Is this the view from your native Canada? "Liberals" like polls, yeah? Did you not see the bounce when McCain brought Palin on the ticket?"
Here we go! Another brainfart from teleprompter. You always know for sure he has ZERO comebacks when he starts trying to point out where you're from. Best is when he tries to zone in on other Americans... who are now all 'from Minnesota'. hahaha.
Yes, sarge, Palin is and always was a dolt.
Maybe she can head a few blocks down to Russia, or the country of Africa. :)
Smell the fear.
sailwind, you have met your equal in terms of your posts.
Palin, if she is still on the radar in a couple of years, will get the same voters who still think bush was a good president after the depression he put the country in and those same voters who are still looking for WMD in Iraq. The other 80 percent of the country will reject her for what she is, bush in a pants suit with an even lower IQ.
I was wrong. I was well aware of the Republican Platform. I thought she would have to have formally agreed to it to run with J. McCain.
I can admit when I am wrong.
It carried them all the way to 2nd place!
Yeah. And we shore dodged a bullet by electing Obama. Just look at us now.
"Liberals" celebrating violence against women.
Personally, I don't have to keep telling myself that. It really would be too much since everyone else with any sense is also telling me that also. It really gets overwhelming when the whole world laughs at once.
You agreed that Palin is and always will be a joke.
How is my statement that I see your still chuckling about the Letterman joke is in conflict with that? Wasn't his joke directed at Palin and her poor parenting skills?
Did I miss something here?
Sorry if you can't recognize the famous Nixon quote also associated with a Governorship. But that's ok. Oh, and good luck trying to convince others that I advocate violence against women. Feel free to reword it and try again.
HuffPo, biggest Lefty blog on the 'net, can't help making jokes about "retardation" .
"Palin Will Run in '12 on More Retardation Platform"
Yep, stay classy. And remember - you are the "progressive" movement.
Thank you teleprompter for bringing up Alinsky. That reminded me of Palin's ridiculous accusation of "Paling around with terrorists", etc. Well, if you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Palin got out. Sailwind, your turn.
teleprompter: "Yep, stay classy. And remember - you are the "progressive" movement."
No fan who laps up the words of Limbaugh has any right to talk about being 'classy', unless it's in the vein of hypocrisy, admitting that such talk as Limbaugh's, and defense of it, is NOT 'progressive' (as you are being). I think any mention of 'retardation' in the form of jokes is tasteless, regardless of where it comes from.
In short, defending Limbaugh's disgusting comments on just about anything, while criticizing a blog for its personal remarks, is just hypocrisy.
I love how, yet again, Right-Wing heads are exploding. Must be downright near impossible to be a Republican and hold your head up in public... especially if you defended Palin in the past.
Beaver: "I doubt anybody here reads the Huffington Post. I have stumbled across some articles of theirs through web searches, but I have cited Stars and Stripes more."
You're wrong. teleprompter clearly reads and loves it, since he uses it often as his main source of Democratic 'wisdom', and finds it particularly useful when trying to take the focus off his own or his favoured party's failures.
goodDonkey-"I can admit when I am wrong. "
As can I, and I was wrong about Palin on that. But I don't remember anyone declaring that this was her position despite all the allegations that she was abstinence only. This puts her in the same middle ground I am in, which means teaching the benefits of both abstinence and condom use, and others, yes others, is just fine. But then, I think the position is typical of liberals. Its the conservatives who are always trying to limit the scope of education, while chucking out red-herrings about liberals wanting to limit things or get their way when they don't. So I don't think anyone could be blamed for not understanding Palin's position for the reason that conservatives themselves were not telling us.
They really painted themselves in a corner with "abstinence only". They could not even tell us their own candidate supported a broader education!
Now I cannot blame Palin for Bristol's pregnancy using the right's own standards. (My standards never blamed Palin.) I cannot even blame Bristol, and I never did. Its the fault of the guy that got her pregnant. There is not much the girl can do it the guy is an idiot, and he was. Sure, you might say BC pills, but unlike a condom, those can cause health problems. I would never take the man pill, so I don't expect women to take the BC pill.
Smithinjapan compliments me by finally noticing that unlike my many opponents here I do listen to and follow what the other side is saying.I prefer New Republic to the adolescent HuffPo - where I suspect not a few of the spoon-bangers also petulantly refuse, like smith, to capitalize the names of people they don't like.
Better than either of them though is Nat'l Review. Jim Geraghty ("The Campaign Spot") sums up Palin Derangement Syndrome:
"Why They Hate Her, the Angelina Jolie of Politics"
...Conservatism, they suspect, will leave you in a marriage that doesn’t satisfy you, burden you with children you don’t want, repress your passions, and trap you in an empty, boring, and unfulfilled life, with no hand of government able to help.
"Today almost everyone faces some sort of challenge in balancing work and family; I don’t know too many people who believe there are sufficient hours in a day. And then along comes this woman who’s made all of these “conservative” choices and now has an amazing career, a supportive husband, a beautiful family, and great health and appearance, and she bears it all, including the inevitable hard times, with pluck and a smile, as far as we can tell. (For all we know, perhaps behind closed doors, Sarah Palin screams into a pillow when it all gets to be too much. But what we know about her suggests she relieves her stress by shooting moose.)
"In her opponents’ minds, Palin’s made all the wrong choices, and cannot, they insist, be very bright. Yet she’s happy and successful. She is an anomaly that invalidates their worldview, and for that, they attempt to immiserate her — regardless of whether she wishes to run for national office again."
Interesting, I believe you got that impression because the media never really reported on it, that side of her position, only the abstinence side. They highlighted that part to no end.
Speaking of that heathen site.......Newsbusters.org
I wonder if why there even would be a need for a site like that to exist in the first place?
Maybe so we could really find out her real position on Sex education after all perhaps?
teleprompter: 'Palin Derangement Syndrome'? Is that the new denial for you guys? Okay, I'm going to try and get this straight:
When you are handed an absolute beat down and unarguable logic by someone who supports more Liberal leaning attitudes, you are suffering from bush/palin derangement syndrome (or whoever happens to be the most recent moronic Republican flip-flopper/hypocrite), or your personal favourite, they are Lefty Liberal Socialist Cheerleader Islamic Apologists... damn, can't remember the long list you use in pursuit of your denial.
Oh, and I only once used a blog in reference to a comment on why bush decided to call the constitution a useless piece of paper... or some argument like that; you use them EVERY thread, to the detriment of what you call posts. Come on, bud, you can do better.
She's resigned people. She's political toast as Triumvere stated.
Happy fourth of July from a Brit, you bickering lot :D
"Do the searches yourself. "
??? You want me to prove your case while you hand us a blog link??? Gosh, do you really wonder why people discuss how credibull you are?
"Tax records don't lie."
About what? Addresses? You say they shared an office like they were small businessmen in a partnership together. Spin. Nauseating spin. It looks to me like they each had seperate NPOs that were not even their main deal in life housed in the same office BUILDING. (You keep cutting off the word "building" from office in you effort to spin). That is like drawing a connection between two men who have post office boxes in the same post office in Butt, Montana. Never mind that both men live there in the same town.
"I could go on but you choose to remain blind."
Its not that I choose to remain blind, its just that I am sick to gawd awful heck of all this spin you think you have to put on everything to make a convincing argument and your lack of credible links. Even your incredibull links might have some merit if you told us what you believed from them and what you didn't. For example, the following a blog. They have have a picture of the building in question. I believe it is the correct building. I believe Obama's and Ayer's little orgs shared that office building. Outside of that, the blog is mostly hearsay and a lot of guessing and supposing.
I, and I'm sure millions of others, are going to be deeply disappointed if Sarah Palin does not run in 2012.
She will bring much needed comedy to the 2012 U.S. election, and will no doubt come out with a whole lot more whacked out quotes about why being able to see foreign countries from her window gives her credible foreign policiy experience, how scary foreign leaders are rearing their heads and coming "into the air space of the United States of America," and how she claimed she reads "many" magazines but strangely can't name a single one.
sailwind-"I believe you got that impression because the media never really reported on it, "
No. I got that impression because when it was put point blank to her supporters they never denied it.
It is not the duty of the press to report political positions that even the candidates themselves are not vocalizing. (But I wish it were their duty, honestly. But how the world "should be" aside...) The press tells us politcal positions only when they think it will sell print. Popping misconceptions is not what they do. Misconceptions are their bread and butter.
Her supporters should have cleared that up. They didn't. Palin herself was not tripping over he shoe-laces to clear it up.
Being a liar, a hypocrite, and someone who uses public funds for private purposes (shopping trips) are only a few of the many reasons Sarah Palin was at home and so comfortable in the GOP.
I can see the bank next door from my window.
According to the stupefying wisdom of Sarah Palin, that makes me a banking expert. :-)
Honestly, I think the only reason conservatives pretend to support and back Sarah Palin is because every other GOP candidate is also a complete and utter joke. :-)
SushiSake3-"Being a liar, a hypocrite, and someone who uses public funds for private purposes (shopping trips) are only a few of the many reasons Sarah Palin was at home and so comfortable in the GOP."
Liar? Check. Particurlarly her lies of association, spin and labeling of others. GOP traits that deserve their own separate mention. Hypocrite? I don't think so anymore. Misuse of public funds? Not uniquely GOP. And not even that large in dollar amounts.
I am surprised you overlooked abuse of authority. Not only troopergate, but she also fired the town librarian only to take her back.
I just watched her full quitters - ehhr - resignation speech.
She spoke for 6.48 mins and effectively said the following:
"I quit. Using a basketball analogy, I am passing the ball that represents sound priorities; remember that means energy independance and smaller government and national security and freedom"......waffle, waffle....."maybe some Alaskans don't mind wasting public dollars and state time, but I do. [Fact check: remember her pet project, the Road To Nowhere, was a massively expensive white elephant and her expensive shopping trips on the taxpayers' dime].
Then she waffled something about Kosovo and the troops...then..."I love my job [so why is she quitting??] and I love Alaska, and it hurts to make this choice but I'm doing what's best for Alaska [she's right! - her quitting IS what's best for Alaska] - then she said lots of cliches about passing the ball, top-down government, freedom, and you can effect change and I can too - from the outside -, putting our country first so the team can win....
All in all, a barrage of words amid an ear-piercing wall of sound that at the end of the day, said, "I QUIT"
I'm not sure why sarah palin decided to resign but I would be awfully disappointed if I were someone who had contributed time and/or money to her campaign.
Sushi: "I just watched her full quitters - ehhr - resignation speech."
I LOVED the basketball analogy! You just can't get humour this good for money, let alone for free.
I'm waiting eagerly for teleprompter and Sailwind to join forces to start a massive e-mail campaign to get this loser back up on the national stage and geared up to help the GOP fly off the cliff yet again at 300mph if she is actually stupid enough to run for president in 2012. :-)
But then again, I'm only saying this because I know it would be hugely funny to watch her talk more of her Palin mambo mumble. :-)
smithinJapan - "I LOVED the basketball analogy! You just can't get humour this good for money, let alone for free."
I reckon Palin would be of greatest benefit to the GOP if all her speeches were pay-per-view. She'd get record audiences worldwide, heck, I'd sign up for lifetime access, lol! :-)
"[Fact check: remember her pet project, the Road To Nowhere, was a massively expensive white elephant and her expensive shopping trips on the taxpayers' dime]."
Sushi, you are not being fair. I myself would have supported the idea of the bridge. Governors do what they can to bring growth to their state and that bridge did go somewhere, it went to an airport. At present you have to take a ferry to get from the island airport to the mainland. The bridge should have been called "A Bridge too Expensive". That was the reason it was nixed.
The real problem with Palin and the bridge was that she later stated during the VP campaign that she turned the bridge down, which is true, but she negelected to mention that she supported it before she rejected it.
And shopping trips on the taxpayer's dime? I am not even sure what you are talking about, but I suspect its spin on the level of teleprompter and inkjet. Not worthy of you.
Cleo: "Maybe she's finally realised that her special-needs child needs his mother"
Cleo, many mothers with special-needs children work outside the home. Didn't you know that?
Yes, I do know that many mothers with special-needs children work outside the home. Some do it because they need the money, others do it because they want to. Very, very few of them opt for a time-consuming job like governor of a state. And even fewer would contemplate a 30-hour-a-day job like the presidency.
She's got a husband that seems more than capable to take care of his family. Unless you possibly think a man can't handle that role?
I'd say for a Conservative, her family has some pretty progressive values as far as a woman having a career and the man in the family taking on the traditional child raising chores.
Ironic, isn't it.
"I'd say for a Conservative, her family has some pretty progressive values as far as a woman having a career and the man in the family taking on the traditional child raising chores.
Ironic, isn't it."
I would say, a sign of hope that we can learn from eachother.
Todd Palin's ability to take care of his family isn't at issue. I have no reason to claim he isn't perfectly capable.
But a woman who finds she's expecting a special-needs baby, takes the pregnancy to term because she claims she's pro-life then dumps the baby on someone else to care for while she doesn't simply continue 'a career' but tries for a job that's going to take all her time for the next 4 years - she may be 'pro-life', but she's far from being 'pro-child'.
No one is saying she 'can't' have the job. Obviously, she's got it. What I'm saying is that she can't humanly do two jobs (run a country and raise a special-needs child) that each demand all her time. No one can. So would I say the same if she were a man? Yes.
Palin's Resignation Speech
Wanna bet energy (companies) give her a little something for her run at the White House? You betcha.
So not being a lame duck is part of her rational for resigning. Her words. Many lame duck Governor's do not do the things she states above. Many accomplish quite a bit. It is nice to know what she had been contemplating as a lame duck.
In closing she said:
Who wants to bet that this is the primary rational for her resigning. Another direction - you betcha. "[some Republican] said Palin was “really unhappy with the way her life was going.”"
Just wait until you read her speech. If you have access to some kind of stomach stabilizer I will advise you to take it well in advance. It is definitely words to wretch by.
Warning: the words presented in the above link lack any substance. You should be well aware of the countless individuals who have been sucked in so far by the vacuum. I warn you it is a vast vacant vortex. Amazingly those who have prepared well during their lives have no problems resisting the vast wasteland.
Here's what Sarah Palin was all about - :-)
I thought Sarah Palin was quitting her job and abandoning her state....and she is! :-)
Beavercleaver - "And shopping trips on the taxpayer's dime? I am not even sure what you are talking about,"
You must have been out of the country - it was all over the news late last year -
lol, wanna check the Obaminations list of donors? You'll find those same energy companies donated money to him too.
You and Sushi really are pathetic aren't you. She's stepping down, isn't that what you've wanted ever since she became McCain's running mate? Shouldn't you be excited and happy? Rejoice! The woman you hate the most in the entire world is resigning. The woman you despise the most in the entire world, because her political philosophy disagrees with yours, is stepping down. You should be happy. Dancing up and down with joy. Instead you still come here to malign and disparage her. Its never enough for you guys is it. Such hypocrites. All for tolerance until someone disagrees with you, then its time to pull out the pitchforks, they have to be burned at the stake!
Why not take it at face value. Shes tired of being hounded constantly, relentlessly, and with all these neverending ethics complaints that the Alaska Dems keep throwing at her. The money out of her own pocket she has had to spend in order to defend herself. She decided she wasn't going to run again, and since she isn't going to run again, why not hand over power early, so that the Lt. Governor has a better shot at being elected himself. Makes a lot of sense to me. I wish more politicians would go out like this.
Having Sarah Palin run for president in 2012 will be mana from heaven for the Democrats.
What really riled me about her - that's besides her train-stopping lack of general knowledge - was when she said about publications she reads, "All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years," while being completely unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, in an interview with Katie Couric on CBS News on Oct. 1, 2008.
That to me was an outright bold-faced lie and showed an absolutely appalling lack of tact, judgement and honesty.
Then there were clangers like, "They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008, and
"I told the Congress, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' on that Bridge to Nowhere." –Sarah Palin, who was for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it.
John McCain, had he been receiving good counsel and advise, should have booted her off his campaign.
As it stands, he kept her on and she destroyed the GOP's chances, even going so far as to co-lead the party to its largest electoral defeat in 50 years.
That's her track record, and its far more important than anything she has done in Alaska, despite all govenors of that state being popular due to the oil-revenue-related cash rebates they hand out to citizens every year.
If the GOP wants to be taken seriously in 2012, the party's top echelon needs to get real and understand that only the lowest common denominators of their base will see anything remotely beneficial in having Sarah Palin campaign for president.
Alaska should rejoice at this decision, Palin is an embarassment not only to Alaska but America too. As a non-American I watched the last presidential race with utter amazement at this person's lack of intelligence. Hopefully for everyone's sake she won't run for president, if so it would be the biggest step back for America since George W Bush was elected.
Molenir - "She's stepping down, isn't that what you've wanted ever since she became McCain's running mate? Shouldn't you be excited and happy? Rejoice!"
If you were really honest with yourself, you would be wondering why the Sen. McCain took her on in the first place.
If he hadn't made this appallingly bad decision, the GOP would not have lost by such a large margin and you would not be pulling yourt hair out in feigned frustration tonight.
I'm pretty sure she is resigning because some scandal is about to break. There have always been rumors that the youngest child is really that of her daughter, etc., etc., etc. I doubt it has anything to do with wanting to run for president. I'm betting on a good scandal.
This woman is a joke! She's a flake who needed to go to 6 colleges, count 'em 6, (!!!) in six years before she finally graduated and it just shows she can't commit to anything. The idea that the Republican Party would even consider supporting her for a 2012 run for office defies logic of any kind. I'm glad she resigned. Hopefully we won't here her name for a long while.
palin is evidence that the republicans care more for their social conservative dogma than they value good leadership. i hope she becomes leader and sinks them for good
"Alaska should rejoice at this decision"
But most Alaskans won't - they'll sorely miss Palin.
"This woman is a joke!"
Keep tellin' yerself that, movieguy, ha ha ha!
I hope she becomes leader ( of the Republicans ) and sinks them for good"
Dream on, griff ( about the sinking ).
SushiSake3-"You must have been out of the country - it was all over the news late last year - "
Oh, I knew about it. It was just that you spun it so much I thought it must be something else. You clearly said taxpayer's dime. That is completely not true. RNC paid for the clothes, and it is not for you and me to complain about how the RNC spends its money. Its up to Republicans. And if the price of those clothes is ok with them, is ok with me. In fact, if they want to blow their whole warchest on a whirlwind tour of Europe during the campaign season, I will wish them a good trip!
shinjukuboy-"I'm pretty sure she is resigning because some scandal is about to break. There have always been rumors that the youngest child is really that of her daughter, etc., etc., etc."
Nasty vicious unfounded and unfair rumors. That is a more likely reason why she is quitting. You should be ashamed just for repeating such nonsense.
wow, the republicants are dropping 2012 candidate at a rate of one per week. Ensign first, then Sanford and now Failin Palin drops out. At this rate only Sarge will be left when the election kicks off.
What scandal is Palin avoiding by quitting suddenly. You know there is something there cause she has proven to the country she is a dirty politician already.
Palin is an opportunist. If I may be permitted my own basketball analogy, she's like the high school star who decides to leave college after a few months and head straight to the NBA -- and the big bucks.
She sees that there are so many suckers out there who'll lap up everything she says and pay good money for it, that it's just too good to pass up. Our young basketball star could get injured in a college game and be ruined for the big show -- and one or more of those ethical investigations just might find something that sticks.
The funniest thing in this discussion so far has been the comment that "nobody does the politics of personal destruction like Democrats." This coming from a party that gave us the baseless Troopergate, Travelgate, Whitewater, Filegate, and the "death list" -- all directed at just one person who happened to be a sitting president.
Nothing, but nothing, makes a Republican squeal like a stuck pig like a little taste of their own medicine. Sarah, like Jim and Tammy Faye, knows how to shill a buck from suckers, and Twain and Mencken must be smiling up above to see how many more suckers are going to line up and pay to hear the message from magnets on her refrigerator.
Saw a great preview for an ad for the Republican Party. It's that scene from the movie "Shane," only the little kid keeps yelling out "Arlen! Come back! Arlen!"
Molenir - "Shes tired of being hounded constantly, relentlessly, and with all these neverending ethics complaints that the Alaska Dems keep throwing at her."
You mean the ones involving her taxpayer-funded shopping binges?
Were those - essentially stealing taxpayers' money and spending it on herself and her kids - 'OK' in your book?
Sarge - "But most Alaskans won't - they'll sorely miss Palin."
Sarge, you are more out of touch with ordinary Americans than I thought.
Nah. Alaskans have Pay-per-View.
movieguy - "The idea that the Republican Party would even consider supporting her for a 2012 run for office defies logic of any kind."
Excellent point. I think what you have hit on is related to THE most gregarious error the GOP committed last year.the simple fact that they were willing to put a person - Sarah Palin - who was so obviously not up to where she needed to be in general knowledge, general intellect, smarts, common sense, honesy and tact - on the VP ticket was not just political suicide - it was downright dangerous.
Sarge and co. may try to defend her, but let's face it - imagine her when it came to the crunch - perhaps a flare-up in the Middle East or having to talk tough to Iran's president.
No one but no one would take her seriously after watching her performances with Katie Couric and in the leaders' debates.
Sarah Palin was a joke and the GOP need to realize that plugging her was THE biggest mistake they made in the election.
But I admit, it was a bad year for the GOP. Sen. McCain could have picked Joe Lieberman or Mitt Romney for VP, but their pro-abortion credentials would have gone down like the Titanic with the party's values base.
So he picked Palin and that was the nuke that blew the bottom out of the good ship USS Grand Old Party.
The GOP/McCain just made one appalling decision after another and had their butts whumped.
That's the way the cookie crumbled.
"she has proven to the country she is a dirty politician"
She has not.
"Palin is an opportunist"
Yeah, she takes every opportunity to better herself and her state.
"Sarah Palin was a joke"
You're still confusing Sarah Palin and Tina Fey.
Sarge, you are not making any arguments to back up your claims.
Sarah Palin is a walking testimony to provincialism, hick-ness and intellectual and scientific illiteracy. And now she wants to run for a spot in DC? Way to go Amerika! You get the leadership you deserve!
Hey, I just state the truth and refute lies. You're the one who refuses to admit that Palin is one of the most popular governors in the country, if not the most popular governor in the country.
For what it is worth, different message boards that I have been looking at over the last two days have gone SILENT, in contrast to the usual blathering about Obama birth certificates, etc. The last week has crushed them, I think. Ensign, Franken, Sanford, now Palin. Apparently the pain has gotten to be unbearable. They are not even responding to the liberal derision, which used to be self-defense... not it has kind of turned into a rout. They are running for the hills and all I hear is the rebel yells of the libs! Hard to know what Republicans are going to hold onto now, I mean realistically. We will hear PALIN 2012 for another few weeks, but what after that? Crickets probably.
...sorry "...now it has kind of turned..."
You know. Nobody has mentioned this, but if Palin was such a popular governor, it is a mystery to me why she did not use this opportunity to take over Sanford's old spot as the head of the what... Association of Governors? I mean, he won't be doing that now. She could have had a bully pulpit to go after Obama on states' issues. She could have had a chance to show more leadership and lead a bipartisan group of national leaders. I know that governors, particularly in the South, I am thinking La and Tx... have been bristling at some Obama policies. Oh well, as some have noted, better to quit as a governor than as President. If you can't stand the heat... you have to get out of the...
oh wait, that is sexist, never mind.
You either fish or cut bait.
"if Palin was such a popular governor"
She is, and will be until the end of the month. The pain must be unbearable...
How can she be the most popular governor in the country? That's like saying you're the most popular mayor in the country when you're mayor of a town of 10.
The truth is, nobody would have heard of her had she not been nominated for VP, and she wouldn't have been nominated for VP had she not been an attractive female. She certainly wasn't nominated based on qualifications (and no, I am not an Obama-ite either)
sarge: "She is, and will be until the end of the month. The pain must be unbearable..."
That was perfect! 'She'll be popular until the end of the month'. I couldn't have said it better sarge, thanks.
The rise to fame and prominence of politicians like Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, and Sarah Palin does indicate something that some Americans look for in their politicians. There is a certain segment of the American population that truly is pig-ignorant and cravenly resentful of anyone who attempts to present them with the genuine complexities of the vast majority of issues today.
And, being simple-minded, they look for politicians who "look nice" and who feed them simple platitudes to bolster their unquestioning faith in their own "goodness," and, like the snake-oil that claims to "cure-all," promise simple answers to all problems. And they leave horrible, horrible messes for others to try and clean up.
Love, I don't love Sarah Palin romantically, I love what she's done for herself, her family and for the good people of Alaska.
smith - I guess I have to spell it out for you:
Palin will continue to be the most, or one of the one most, popular governors until she resigns at the end of the month. The "pain must be unbearable" bit was for Klein2, who, like you, must find it painful to be wrong about Palin's popularity.
pawatan: "How can she be the most popular governor in the country?
I dunno, must have something to do with her fantastic job performance.
After reading many of the post here (many being 12.LOL) I began to wonder who is left in the field of republican candidates...The ony name that came to mind was....Mitt Romney, better known as Willard....wonder if he likes rats also? BTW if you got to ask then you are too young.....
Now if you can only get the rest of the wantabes to stop messing around on their wives you may have a candidate....
This is very sad for the field of......oh wait you also have Newt don't you.
Wow you guys better get used to a Democrat in the White House for a very long time......
Not saying you would have stood a chance with Palin as the front runner. But with out her in the field I will not get to laugh as much.
Sarah palin is a wonderful woman, and if I was American, she would get my vote anyday. I hope she stands for the presidency in 2012, and wins it. She will have a trerrible mess to sort out, at home and abroad, after the disastrous Obama presidency. At least she loves her country, has principles and is not afraid to stand up and be counteed for them, and also does not kiss the asses of Islamist extremists.
Oh - and Happy Fourth of July, my American friends! Maybe at the end of the Obama presidency, you will be gald to return to the jurisdiction of the Queen! Lets face it, the men have made a mess, and you need a woman like Sarah Palin to sort things out for you.
More like Mother Superior.
I can see it now: Three years into the horrendous mess of a mythical Palin presidency, in the midst of a crisis, she announces to the American people "I have decided not to run again. And so, to use a basketball analogy, as player-coach, I've decided to bench myself and fire the coach. In short, I'm OUTA here! I wish you all the best and know that you'll be in my prayers. I suggest you all keep praying too. As one of my magnets on the White House fridge says: 'All prayers get answered, but sometimes the answer is NO!' The world needs more special people like my son Tripp. Shucks, I owe my presidency to a whole lot of people on the 'challenged' end of the development scale. Well, there's just no way for this great country to go anywhere but UP from here. Good-bye!"
You go Yabits!!!
Your on a role with your bad self. I suggest though you use the word "dolt" quite often in your next post about Palin. Just a thought.
Good for Sarah. If you run, you have my vote. I know it has been 24/7 character-slander and attacks from the state-media, but you have held your own. With each passing day of the Obama debacle, your message becomes cleared and louder. Libtards are scard to death of you, because you are a REAL conservative, who can REALLY win. RUN, SARAH, RUN!
Because I am not naive. She is running for president. If I am wrong then I am sure I will hear it from you in due course. If she does run for president you will just pretend this conversation never happened as usual.
I don't hate Palin for the trillionth time. I don't believe she is very smart. I believe she is ethically challenged. I believe she is a diva. I believe she displays false patriotism. By that I mean it is motivated by political ambitions and her goal is power and control and not an innocent duty to serve our nation. I believe she and other conservatives want people to believe that they are more patriotic than others. I believe that she is very dishonest.
I can believe all those things and not hate her. I can make fun of her and not hate her.
Saying I despise her the most in the entire world is just false. I do not despise Palin. You are simply displaying the chivalry that those before you displayed and hurling accusations at me. We are not required to believe what she says or be bent on hate. There are other possibilities. You have committed the logical fallacy of "False Dilema." This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because if both claims could be false, then it cannot be inferred that one is true because the other is false. I can believe that her motivation is completely based on presidential aspirations and not hate her or despise her. I can believe all the things I said above and not hate or despise her. Believe it or not we really are looking forward to the comedy of errors that will end her presidential bid.
Again if she does not take in any contributions for her political aspirations in the next two years I will have been wrong. But if she does take in contributions then asking us to take her at face value is improper.
Believe me I don't think for a minute that you guys will admit that she was just playing the victim card here if she runs for president. We all know how you guys operate.
I refuse to read the (now) 136 comments. America, haven't you got over yourself yet? Leave the rest of us alone! 8 years was enough!
Our country has changed. There was a time when a person could run for Mayor in a small town, do a good job and build on that success to become Governor of her State. Not only Governor, but one of the best Governors that State ever had. So good that she caught national attention to be picked as a potential Vice President of the United States. It was to bad the State she led was Alaska. If she had led New York or California, this would have been a much different story. She was from a hick state and a conservative. She never had a chance from the liberal elite snobs and media. She never had a chance to get her real message across and she never will. She will play a great role in the future for getting the Republican party back to its traditional roots. But as the standard bearer, they will just tear her down with no mercy and call her a dolt day in and day out. They can't stand a person with a degree from the University of Idaho intruding on their wisdom, I suppose.
palin in 2012....hahaha
Instead of sniping at each other about someone who has decided to end her political career, I implore everyone to read and/or remind themselves of what REAL service to one's country is about:
Happy Independence Day Americans and to everyone desiring to share our holiday.
Sarah the victim needs heroes!
Heroes are asked to send donations to Alaska for current and future "expenses."
Just address the envelope to Martyrdom, Alaska.
Help!! ...drowning in incredible amount of self-pitying drivel. Help! Truly pathetic.
Alaskan Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell, who will succeed Gov. Sarah Palin after she leaves office this month, called Palin Alaska's greatest gift to the United States on Saturday.
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Heroes are asked to send donations to Alaska for current and future "expenses."
Just address the envelope to Martyrdom, Alaska.
Track Palin, Sarah's teenage son shipped to Iraq on Sept. 11th.
Pathetic, ain't it.
Alaska's senior U.S. senator, Lisa Murkowski, was one of the people unhappy with Palin's decision.
Wow, she gets it!
"I am deeply disappointed that the governor has decided to abandon the state and her constituents before her term has concluded," the Republican said via satellite phone from interior Alaska, her office said.
Am I the only non-American who is panicking about another Bush-era threat to the world?
Yes, the conservative slathering over Palin produces enough drool to float an ark. It must be the evil people who refuse to drool over Palin.
If Palin was genuinely intelligent, she would have enough self-awareness to know how to disarm the snobs and the media. But she does not rise to that level of intelligence, and therefore she is completely unqualified to lead any nation as diverse as the United States.
Cue violins now.
Oh, please. Enough with the whining. Time to man up for crying out loud.
If you can't stand the heat... get out of the damned kitchen.
Letterman did really apologize by the way for that little crack he made about her daughter. After she called him out on it.
If Palin is to live vicariously through her son's honorable military service then should all the action's of her children be a direct reflection on her? Either her son's military service is irrelevant to her aspirations to be a victim or both her daughter's mistakes apply as well as her son's commendable behavior.
These conservative shriek over and over about associating her daughter's behavior with Sarah's but not want to dine on the laurels of her son?
I hit submit instead of Preview. The last sentence should read "now" instead of "not".
These conservative shriek over and over about associating her daughter's behavior with Sarah's but now want to dine on the laurels of her son?
For years, you've had nothing to say except Hate Bush, Hate America, Hate Bush. Then its Hate McCain, and Hate Palin. Well the Hate Palin crowd is still going strong. Whats worse? That shes a woman and conservative? Or that shes a conservative woman thats successful. I really think the reason you hate her so much, must be that you people are so threatened by her. She destroys your worldview, that you must be a loon to be a successful woman.
Oh, please. Enough with the whining. Time to man up for crying out loud.
If you can't stand the heat... get out of the damned kitchen.
I want to stay in the kitchen.
Here you go,
Sarah Palin is dolt, dimwit, dunce, moron, imbecile, idiot, stain on humanity, loser and darn-it just a horrible human being.
Did I man up enough now?
Gotta love the liberals. What exactly did Sarah Palin do to the liberals, other than challenge them? Misogynists all...
I can understand how it might seem that way.
There is a faction among Americans who want to believe that the USA is an absolute force for good, with no qualifications whatsoever. (I consider Palin to be among that faction, and explains why others of like mind slather over her.)
Amongst any group of people you have these types who are self-blinded, self-deluded, self-righteous hypocrites. Any person who can see through this and attempt to speak the truth to these people must be seen as evil haters, and, in some cases, fodder for crucifixion. These people project their hatred on those who want to know if America is really and truly as good as the Palin-types blindly believe it is.
What I deplore and fear about the Bush-Palin types is that they do NOT show the slightest evidence of having the kind of conscience that would ever give them pause about their train of thought and subsequent actions and spring from it. Anyone who believes that the disdain arises simply because of her gender or her conservative viewpoint are missing the point entirely.
These people are so wrapped up in their own self-righteousness and the feeling of victimization that comes when others disagree with them that they have to dehumanize their political opponents into haters. That does not mean, however, there are NOT the genuine haters. The haters, for example, are the ones who would witness someone going into a church and killing another person in cold blood and then say that the victim had it coming. We on JT are all too familiar with these types.
I would not go so far as to call Sarah Palin those things.
However, about those who actually believe that Palin is fit to lead the United States of America....
Sarah Palin did nothing.
The Republican Party presented Palin to the nation as someone they thought was qualified to lead the nation -- just as they did with George W. Bush.
And normally intelligent people quite justifiably retched.
Yabits, I am completely with you. Sarah Palin did nothing. As an individual, she is OK. I am scared, though, about the potential damage of a nation behind an idiot (like after G Bush. ) And I am not American so I am even more annoyed about having to think about these things for them/ you. Guys, take some responsibility.
But at another point she invoked a military quotation, misattributing it to Gen. Douglas MacArthur, in what seemed to be an effort to wave aside any suggestion that she was abandoning the fight. “He said, ‘We’re not retreating; we are advancing in another direction,’ ” she said. (The remark was actually said by Maj. Gen. Oliver Prince Smith.)
So even in her exit speech she gets the quote wrong.
I think its best she is quitting politics now. She can attend to her family and fix the problems that have cropped up in the last year when she got way over her head in the 2008 election. There is no shame in quitting. Ensign and Sanford should do the same as soon as possible.
So was it hate (?) when Alaska's senior U.S. senator, Lisa Murkowski, a Republican, said, "I am deeply disappointed that the governor has decided to abandon the state and her constituents before her term has concluded[.]"
That is why we put forth the first female V.P candidate. That is why we had the first Sec. of State. that was a woman. That is why I wanted Hillary for president first and Obama afterward and I still want Hillary for president after 8 years of Obama.
You call us Misogynists; I say this is but one more attempt at deceit by conservatives. Good luck with propagating that myth!
If Palin does regroup from her quitting her job and make a run for the white house she may do it as a third party candidate as the republicans in DC all hate her, more today than yesterday. Joe the plumber made the same decision.
If only ...
Conservatives please quote me on this. She will be making a book tour. She will be making paid speaking engagements. This is why she is abandoning Alaska. That does not mean I want her to remain in office. I know that is just too complex for you guys to understand. You have previously made that clear. But yes I am saying she abandoned her office. And yes I am saying it is best if she does not serve anymore time in office. But the book tour and speaking tour will just be a kickoff to her presidential aspirations.
Wow governess of Alaska such a high profile position. But hey maybe shes quitting from all the stress, you know crooning her neck to see Russia, parading her kids like poster children, oh and taxing the sh!t out of oil companies in her communist state.
I don't know what you want to call that outburst of weirdness.
It should involve something like this: stop whining about how "unfairly" she's been treated, trotting out Track Palin (plenty of military families out there) for political mileage.
Sarah Palin's not a "dolt, ...blah blah horrible human being". Again, with the poor victim spiel? Really?
She's not vice presidential material but she's smart enough to know where her best interests lie. Raking in the cash in the private sector. Don't worry, she'll be fine.
If Palin does write a book, I'm sure she will write it herself unlike Hillary who had a ghostwriter and acted like she wrote it herself.
A Palin/J.Plumber ticket could take it in 2012.
You would think with all the cash Alaska dishes out Palin would be the poster-child for the Libs and Soc's stimuluses and handouts. -but of course Alaska has the cash to do that. But why spend when you can borrow?
Hey, belachan! Love it or leave it!
Moderator: Back on topic please.
Was that not the reagan campaign slogan in 84? Republicants love to spend, spend, spend and borrow it all for the democrats to later clean up. LIke Obama is doing now.
Alaska has tons of oil money and few people than ride the yamanote line in one hour. Its a colony of Exxon-Mobile basically.
i understand why people may be opposed to plain. honestly i know very little about her, i'm waiting until we get closer to an election. why waste energy on her now?
but i am really disturbed by the attack politics, the politics of personal destruction. it's really ugly.
arrogance can be very self destructive. bush had a problem with it. many of his supporters were blind to it but the average american was turned off by it.
the libs are so carried away with themselves they can't see their own arrogance. they ought to be careful, it could come back to bite them.
aren't there better ways to run elections and politics?
Great woman with adequate skills to become a successfull 2 term president. After the Obama debacle the Dems will be unelectable for decades.
I'm really looking forward to her in power in 4 years time. You betcha!
I'm not American but I am an expert on the country, because growing up I could see it from my house. Just had to pop my head up over the sofa and there it was. Anyways, when future historians are studying the reasons for the decline and fall of the USA, the fact that this woman is even anywhere close to positions of power and the reasons behind that fact will be near the top of their list.
That is really rich coming from you but it is kind of a retread.
I guess conservatives have just decided it is easier to be actors then genuine. Palin the victim. Injet - Faux concern for his most common behavior.
Badsey says, "If Palin does write a book..." Where have you been, she has demanded exorbitant advances and the whole schlemiel. It has been a done deal for a long time.
So Badsey you think that the Bush administration was so lax in security they allowed Obama to run for president on a fake birth certificate. Afterall the responsibility would have fallen on the Justice Dept. under Bush. I personally find it offensive that you would say United States' officials are so stupid. So are you just making it up or do you believe what you have characterized?
Show me a true vintage Obama birth certificate and not the fake computer print-out. -I have not seen it. How about some College grades?
So we borrow to the Fed 1T and they print another 9T ~10T, so where did the money go (still no money for Small/Large business etc)? Where is the justice in the Fed/Gov buying as many bargain assets that they can?
Like I said before: Manna from Heaven --> eat it while you can!
Obama's on course to quadruple the national debt in his first six months in office. What are you talking about?
Molenir - "Whats worse? That shes a woman and conservative? Or that shes a conservative woman thats successful."
None of the above. It's that she's so obviously an indiot who is completely out of her depth, and even worse, that there is a significant number of conservatives who are stupid enough to want to actually vote to put this woman into power.
Helter-Skelter - "Obama's on course to quadruple the national debt in his first six months in office. What are you talking about?"
Why do you fail to mention why this is happening?
This recession began on the watch of your buddy Bush.
Obama is cleaning up the mess, and if he didn't spend massively, the recession would be even worse.
You do not have a credible argument.
I read she could be pregnant.
But she is still quitting her job and abandoning her state.
Not a good start if she wants to further divide America by running for president.
This is so bloody funny, the far right again and I do mean again, circles the wagon in an attempt to save the party.
I find it so funny that the far right here is so desperate to save it image that they will not question why someone can not complete a full term.
Then the far right dances around the obvious and tries to change the entire topic!LOL
We have the following far right dancers attempting to hide the elephant under the table;
Badsey at 09:15 AM JST - 5th July Show me a true vintage Obama birth certificate and not the fake computer print-out. -I have not seen it. How about some College grades?
Classic conspiracy theorist that has been disproven too many times to count. But keep trying to hide that elephant...LOL Bold try there, but that elephant is still in plain sight.....LOL
DickMorris at 07:34 AM JST - 5th July Great woman with adequate skills to become a successfull 2 term president. After the Obama debacle the Dems will be unelectable for decades.I'm really looking forward to her in power in 4 years time. You betcha!
Here is a great one, he claims she has the skills to be a 2 term President. But what he fails to comment on is that she could not be a one term Governor.LOL Another classic dance step from the far right. But I can still see that pesky elephant....LOL
inkjet at 07:33 AM JST - 5th July i understand why people may be opposed to plain. honestly i know very little about her, i'm waiting until we get closer to an election. why waste energy on her now? but i am really disturbed by the attack politics, the politics of personal destruction. it's really ugly.
Here inkjet tries to claim that the personal attacks are unwarranted because she is deserves better.
But wait, she quit her post as governor with almost 2 years to go! That shows her true character and it is sad. She quit as Alaska's CIC and her reason has been because she has a hirer calling?LOL
Darn it, there is that darned elephants behind still sticking out!LOL
mtimjones at 03:25 AM JST - 5th July Gotta love the liberals. What exactly did Sarah Palin do to the liberals, other than challenge them? Misogynists all...
Here an attempt is made by mtimjones that reason the left attacks her is that they have a hatred of women....LOL Nice, try to make into a,"they have a problem with strong women" rather than the obvious problem with her character.LOL
Not the only one trying to use gender as a defense but I thought this was the funniest.
Darn it, I can still see that elephant!LOL
Dubya at 01:17 AM JST - 5th July Good for Sarah. you are a REAL conservative
I edited out all the propaganda and got to what he wanted to say.
Now here our dear friend Dubya is calling her move, a good move for her. Then he claims she is a REAL conservative. But what he fails to even address is the fact that she quit two years into her term. WTFO....LOL
Darn it, you guys tried to hide that elephant but everyone can still see it...LOL
You guys really are in desperation when you fall on your swords trying to defend people who can not handle the job. In the real world if a person resigns their position. They are saying,"I can not do the job" especially a job as CIC of any post.
Palin stepped down from her job and you guys can not ask the simplest question,"why". All you can do is say,"Way to go!"LOL.......
I am sorry but her actions are not that bright, she really should have thought of the people of Alaska and finished out her term. The people that voted for her expected her to finish what she started.
When anyone gives their vote to a person, they are saying that they believe what the person promised, and she broke her promise. There is no excuse for breaking a promise. That shows her true character and it is a very sad one..........
If you far right wingers are putting your hopes on a person like this. Then the far right wing party will again lose. Then maybe, just maybe the Republican party will shed that far right Christian control that has brought it to this place.
So I for one hope that you guys do make her your candidate, then the reign of that faction will die!
That would make her the Irrelephant opposing the Donkey.
The only question is who will be President Palin's VP? I bet it won't be someone like the current VP who wears combat boots with a business suit, heh heh.
An effervescing elephant!
With Pelosi (dumb as a rock) as speaker of the house, I believe Palin thought she had a stone throws chance of winning President or VP.
If the Federal Reserve was public (part of Gov) you may have a spending arguement. -But it is a private entity -We are only making the (bailed-out, over-extended) bankers richer =Seems to me they have enough money to bet on oil futures once again?
Palin is not one of the elites (CFR, Bilderberg, TriLateral) =Until she is she has almost a zero chance at President. =The bankers that control the Federal Reserve and hold America as hostage won't allow it.
Come on sarge, give Republicans credit. She will not make it past early April if she is not immediately trounced in the primaries. Even Republicans are intelligent enough to watch Palin in a debate and see the senior members of the party decimate Sarah. sarge will be singing a different tune in the late winter of 2012 (maybe early winter - if he has sense enough to come around after the fat lady sings). She better hold on to the money she makes in the next two years hawking her book and doing the lecture scene. Since she abandoned Alaska it will truly be the final curtain for Palin. Although She will still be able to make money on the lecture tour. Booooiiiing!!! If you know what I mean.
Joe the Plumber for Failin Palins VP. They are a perfect match.
Just to set a few records straight, why can't a woman be a misogynist? Every woman in my immediate family is an educated professional. Not one could even consider as an appropriate candidate for VP. More to the point, they considered that anyone who supports forced childbirth for pregnant women as wrong and counter to women's rights. So. Rather than opposing Mrs. Palin because she is a woman, which you think is misogynistic, indeed she was opposed in my family because she is a misogynist. Please consider that. And someone mentioned that the Republican leaders are taking flight. It is true. Newt seems to be the only high profile Republican remaining, and he is no giant. This just makes it all the more likely that we will see some kind of David Duke character popping up in 2012. How many Republicans would vote for David Duke today? Probably quite a few. OK. Some people will laugh at that, but look at how the party has transformed itself from Reagan, when it truly was populist. Christian interests narrowed it further, then what I could characterize as xenophobia alienated a lot of minorities from the party. Realizing that McCain and Palin and Sanford and Ensign were moderates of that party, quite seriously, what is left? Also realize that the military includes few liberals, and what we are witnessing is the US being transformed into a banana republic. Liberal government curbed by a constant threat from a hypercharged fundamentalist, militarist right. Winner-take-all-ism and a collapse of the center. It is all assuming a familiar pattern that threatens to Godwin this thread if I spell it out, but you can probably fill in the blanks.
Why is that all one paragraph? I need two carriage returns? Oh well. Sorry everyone. I will try to improve.
Molenir-"For years, you've had nothing to say except Hate Bush, Hate America, Hate Bush."
If you want a sincere answer to your questions and assertions, might I suggest dropping the silliness while presenting them? I cannot say who you are talking to, but I seriously doubt anyone was saying to hate America.
"Well the Hate Palin crowd is still going strong."
This is true and sad. Some people don't know when to let go.
" Whats worse? That shes a woman and conservative? Or that shes a conservative woman thats successful. I really think the reason you hate her so much, must be that you people are so threatened by her."
There is some truth in that, and certainly some people are thinking like this 100 percent. In some ways, she represents setting the bar too high. I certainly don't want the country trying to run by her standards, or at least the ones we see, because I know that most Americans on both sides of the fence can't live up to it. For example, the anti-abortion stance. Its great when a woman can have so many kids, even one with down syndrome, and get by. But most people could not handle it, sad to say, and forcing them to anyway would be a mistake. Empty the orphanages. Then talk about scaling back abortion, at least.
Also, I cannot help but feel a sneaking suspicion that there is more to Palin than what we are seeing and being told. Its not that I hate her, I just don't trust her. I cannot get a clear picture of what she believes and represents. Remember, this the woman who once said ""How could I be the team mom if I was a U.S. Senator?" She is pro-gun but has supported a gun control bill (don't know the details) She is anti-gay marriage but vetoed a bill to ban it (citing unconstitutionality). Those last two, I like her actions, but not her stated stance. It somewhat bewildering, adds to the feeling of "do as I say, not as I do" type aura. She seems unpredicatable. (Maybe that also explains feelings toward Obama).
"She destroys your worldview, that you must be a loon to be a successful woman."
Few Americans of any political bend think that way about successful women these days. Come on! But Palin does threaten many a worldview, and that view is that a woman can be true to conservative principles and succeed and be happy. Remember, it was conservatives who held longest to the idea that women basically belonged in the kitchen. Conservatives say they changed, but have they really? Suspicions linger.
And her pregnant teenage daughter does not help her in any case. It looks like she really messed up there, at least in teaching of her kids. Abstinence only conservatives cannot support her because she seems to have failed to teach abstinence. (Yet they supported her!) Safe sex liberals cannot support her because she seems to have failed to teach safe sex.
But I think what really gets Palin turned into a punching bag is not so much the threat to worldviews, but just that she has come to be a symbol representing all conservatives. Her direct and indirect dublicity got her into that position as much as the issues around her have mass appeal, and now she just seems like the easiest elephant to kick. What is amazing is how many ways she does not represent conservatives, yet conservatives hold her up and liberals take pot shots at her.
"In some ways, she represents setting the bar too high"
I strongly differ on this point. My problem with the Republican party is setting the bar too low, and then lower. They have reached the bottom of the barrel of moderates. Remember when Gingrich was considered the Republican firebrand? He is about as moderate as they get nowadays, seriously. Does this bother anyone?
But Palin is still, by all accounts, the front runner of the Republican party. My deleted post was making the point that her skills compare unfavorably to those of some leaders of the lunatic fringe who could step up to leadership as conservative Republicans tomorrow.
They can pass the loyalty test, too. Some lunatics' platforms must look increasingly attractive to the Republicans posting what I read every day in various blogs: killing doctors, condemning homosexuals, lynching public figures based on race and ethnicity, talking about Jewish media, Bilderbergs, killing Mexican immigrants, etc. In some places on the internet, Michael Jackson got a post-mortem lynching the other day, replete with racist epithets. Who can ignore that? The big lies are getting shouted louder and louder. What was the big lie above? Obama is personally responsible for a 33 trillion debt or something? Did voters write that nonsense? YES!! Did they identify themselves as loyal Republicans? YES!!
All of that might not play well on JT, but it is a huge hit in the midwest and south these days. And it will get worse. As the Republican party throws open its doors to find new blood and new energy, I wonder who will come walking in.
Beaver-In some ways, she represents setting the bar too high"
Klein2-"I strongly differ on this point."
You can disagree as strongly as you like. But I did say "some ways" didn't I? In other ways, yes, she is setting the bar low. But then, she is not exactly being viewed fairly. Take the Bridge to Nowhere for example. She could do no right with regard to that the way some people are. If she never supported the bridge, she would be called anti-development. As it is, people have to use a ferry to get to the airport near Ketchikan. Pretty silly really. And its not like overly expensive projects don't go unnoticed all the time. If she stuck to supporting the bridge, which became a political flashpoint more by chance than anything else (granted it was too expensive, but like say, this happens everyday. Hurrican Katrina actually played a role in getting the funding rethought), then she would be branded a theif and said to be in the pockets of big business. She drops her support, and she did, and she got the hell we all know she gets for it.
Her only real mistake as far as I can see is when she told everybody she canceled the bridge project, which was true. The problem was she neglected to tell everybody she initially supported the bridge. Holding that against her is like belly aching that she did commit political suicide by screaming "I am a flip-flopper". What do people expect? And this comes from somone who is no fan of Palin.
The bridge remains a good idea, its just too darned expensive.
If Palin ever gets anywhere close to the White House again in the future, that would be the beginning of the end of the world.
Let's hope so. She's destroying the Republican party.