Pandemic racism, mass shootings spur Asian-Americans to take up guns

Pandemic racism, mass shootings spur Asian-Americans to take up guns

I sense a lot of conflict in the alt-right take on this.

Pandemic racism was stirred up largely by the Dear leader"s comments as many Asian people attest to so it cannot exist unless it somehow came from the left.

Gun rights are good but minorities with guns is problematic, even for the NRA.

https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act

Probably they will go with the Asian model minority stereotype to draw a wedge between minorities.

I’m not sure that particular gun is ideal for self defense…..

NemoToday 07:47 am JST

I’m not sure that particular gun is ideal for self defense…..

Nah, it is perfect Nemo.

Light and easy for even a child to (mis)handle.

Inconspicuous, so can be carried even into a classroom (for protection of course).

Small enought to be slipped into the bedside table draw. Ensuring a good secure nights sleep.

I'm not intimidated by firearms. I was trained on them in the military and had occasion to carry them on duty. But I am disgusted with them and choose not to live my life by the gun. It's barbaric.

For me at least firearms no longer symbolize any kind of freedom. Rather they symbolize fear, oppression, terrorism and death. The right tells me I have to arm myself to live my life and be ready to shoot somebody on a moments notice. That is not living if you ask me and certainly not freedom. It is another form of tyranny and the right seems perfectly happy to cram their filth down my throat.

Lam lives with his family in the suburbs of Los Angeles just a few kilometers from Monterey Park, where last month an elderly Asian gunman killed 11 Lunar New year revelers at a dance studio.

Two days later in the north of California, seven farmworkers, most of them Asian, were gunned down in what prosecutors say was a workplace shooting carried out by a 66-year-old Chinese man.

Am I missing something? The examples cited on this article are all Asian on Asian violence, yet the article says

Pandemic racism, mass shootings spur Asian-Americans to take up guns

I'm not intimidated by firearms. I was trained on them in the military and had occasion to carry them on duty. But I am disgusted with them and choose not to live my life by the gun. It's barbaric.

Well said sir! Hat off to you.

For me at least firearms no longer symbolize any kind of freedom. Rather they symbolize fear, oppression, terrorism and death. The right tells me I have to arm myself to live my life and be ready to shoot somebody on a moments notice. That is not living if you ask me and certainly not freedom. It is another form of tyranny and the right seems perfectly happy to cram their filth down my throat.

Hear! Hear!

Except there are two realities that bother the narrative:

a large portion of the “racism” and attacks against Asian Americans is not by white people.

recently Asian Americans were the shooters not the victims in several mass shootings.

Lam lives with his family in the suburbs of Los Angeles just a few kilometers from Monterey Park, where last month an elderly Asian gunman killed 11 Lunar New year revelers at a dance studio.

Two days later in the north of California, seven farmworkers, most of them Asian, were gunned down in what prosecutors say was a workplace shooting carried out by a 66-year-old Chinese man.

And the driver of the U-Haul truck that ran over pedestrians in New York was an older Asian too. What the hey, what's going on?

Except there are two realities that bother the narrative: 

a large portion of the “racism” and attacks against Asian Americans is not by white people. 

recently Asian Americans were the shooters not the victims in several mass shootings

I see. So do you think Asian Americans buying more firearms is a good or bad thing?

How about the weapon being held in the picture?

Have the right to be armed.

just the narrative around the reason why they doing it is false as I mentioned.

they gotta do it and have no choice because they are victims of “racism” and “violence, says fake media!

no, they choose to buy guns if they want to have one, or five- just like anyone else. It’s not in “response” to anything bring done to them by the implied white supremacists.

That weapon in the photo is not needed by the majority of people.

How about the weapon being held in the picture?

Sure would eliminate a whole lot of “racism” and protect the owner very well if that is the situation it was needed for.

is it legal to buy and sell that in that state? If so, then what’s the problem?

Once again,

DT makes an excellent point for sanity.

I am a gun owner and I enjoy shooting (I no longer hunt but that’s just me).

But this ethos of any gun, by anyone, anywhere at anytime is a cancer on the nation. It’s plainly against public safety and it’s bordering on insanity.

But this ethos of any gun, by anyone, anywhere at anytime is a cancer on the nation. It’s plainly against public safety and it’s bordering on insanity.

When I lived in the big city I dreaded the 4th of July and New Years Eve. Every idiot was firing their probably legally purchased guns in the air. Not a few shots either but lots and lots of gunfire. All those bullets have to come down somewhere. It freaked me out because people did have them come right through their ceilings. And then there was this neighbor along a small ravine in San Diego who every once in a while would blow off a clip from an AK-47. Wtf, over?

If you draw a gun on someone,you better use it ,or it will be used on ,most personal gun are stolen, somebody stole a gun,at the police station

I sense a lot of conflict in the alt-right take on this. 

None actually.

Pandemic racism was stirred up largely by the Dear leader"s comments as many Asian people attest to so it cannot exist unless it somehow came from the left. 

So then why are the attacks on Asian mostly committed by people of color? Most Blacks aren’t Republicans, so what is the reason and why doesn’t left talk about this? Maybe it just undercuts their blame White conservatives for the racial divide in this country? That argument is factually wrong and getting old very fast.

Gun rights are good but minorities with guns is problematic, even for the NRA. 

Not at all, but when you have a militant group like the BP that believe in the justification of killing whites does give concern in the same way it does for any racist radical group, all of them

Probably they will go with the Asian model minority stereotype to draw a wedge between minorities.

No, we think all people should have the right to defend themselves and especially now more than ever because the racist attacks towards Asian Americans is getting way out of control.

Any nation that allows easy access to military assault rifles is a failed state. Yes - the US is one. In what screwed up, desperate world would one need a military assault weapon as seen in the photo?

The US is far too dangerous to visit, and is going to get more dangerous going forward. Youd be mad to willingly live there.

"people of colour" includes all people unless you think white is not a colour.

FBI Releases 2021 Hate Crime Statistics

Of the 6,312 known offenders:

   56.1% were White

   21.3% were Black or African American

   13.5% race unknown

https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/hate-crime-statistics

So do you think Asian Americans buying more firearms is a good or bad thing?

Do you think it is a good or bad thing for criminals to be arrested only for DAs to soon release them to commit the same crimes again? Many of those committing these hate crimes have been repeat offenders.

During which, many Korean Americans successfully defended their stores with guns. The 'rooftop Koreans'. Fuelled of course by the shooting of a black teenager by a Korean store owner over a bottle of orange juice.

Yep, why would anybody want to lose their livelihood and/or life.

is it legal to buy and sell that in that state? If so, then what’s the problem?

Why does anybody need a .50 caliber sniper rifle? That is a military caliber and if it were automatic would be considered a heavy machine gun. I've fired .50 cals more than once. You are not going to heft that thing and use it to defend your home with. It's shoot right through a couple of typical cheaply made American homes. It's on a bipod or tripod for a good reason. The recoil would knock you over. Anyone who tries to pitch that as a home defense or self defense weapon is a liar.

 Maybe it just undercuts their blame White conservatives for the racial divide in this country? That argument is factually wrong and getting old very fast.

Well right now the whites where my wife works are very much discriminating against her because she is from China and it pisses me off. She's an engineer and they took her off a job that requires an engineer and replaced her with someone who is white but is not an engineer. Then they want my wife to train her replacement because the person is not qualified for the position, other than being white in an office where my wife was the only non-white. She is too afraid to say anything.

Just what the NRA was hopping for and wanted all along.

You can't pack a gun while dancing in a hall!! or can you.

Excuse me honey while I unpack my pistol.

When I lived in the big city I dreaded the 4th of July and New Years Eve.

And now, you can’t even take your family to a public gathering without at least having a nagging wonder if some nutter with an AR is going to go bonkers.

At a Royals game last year on a trip home, I had to wait in line for 45 min. While we all went through metal detectors and got our clear bags searched because otherwise some drunken goober might decide he didn’t like the Royals (totally understandable given their recent performance), ticket or concession prices and go nuts with a gun.

We are now at the point where the gun zealot’s right to “FREEDUMB!” interferes upon the rights of sane Americans to live a public life and partake of normal activities in peace.

"people of colour" includes all people unless you think white is not a colour.

FBI Releases 2021 Hate Crime Statistics

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/an-overdue-conversation-about-black-on-asian-violence

History, however, presents inconveniences that cannot be ignored. Before the pandemic and before Trump’s presidency, anti-Asian violence had existed in major urban locales. It looked disturbingly like today’s attacks. Instead of crying racism, local leaders of these deep-blue areas used to bend over backward to deny any possibility of a racial motive. National leaders used to pay no attention. 

In 2018, when neither ordinary people nor Trump had heard of the coronavirus, blacks committed more violent crimes against Asians more than any other race, according to national violent crime statistics compiled by the Justice Department. Figures for 2020 are not yet available.

Again, the bigger question is, why?

We are now at the point where the gun zealot’s right to “FREEDUMB!” interferes upon the rights of sane Americans to live a public life and partake of normal activities in peace.

Ding, ding, ding, EXACTLY !

You can't pack a gun while dancing in a hall!! or can you.

Better hope it doesn't fall on the dance floor and go off!

Well right now the whites where my wife works are very much discriminating against her because she is from China and it pisses me off.

Ok, that is terrible, but that has nothing to do with blacks overwhelmingly committing hate crimes towards Asians and growing.

She's an engineer and they took her off a job that requires an engineer and replaced her with someone who is white but is not an engineer. Then they want my wife to train her replacement because the person is not qualified for the position, other than being white in an office where my wife was the only non-white. She is too afraid to say anything.

Again, that is bad and wrong and should never happen whether it’s physically or institutionally.

The US is far too dangerous to visit, and is going to get more dangerous going forward. Youd be mad to willingly live there

A bit dramatic, sport. I think you need to look at probabilities rather than emotions rather than repeating this line. After the Tohoku quake, many of my family and friends in the largely earthquake-free UK said I was mad for living in Japan. I thought they were being dramatic.

Anyway, to a more serious point, I find it interesting that when you ask whether it’s a good or bad thing that more guns are in circulation, you usually receive the answer of ‘it’s their right’.

So is more guns in circulation a good or bad thing?

Again, the bigger question is, why?

You know exactly why. Asian store owners looked down their noses at blacks, treated every African American that came in their stores like a criminal and this created great resentment. It takes two to tango.

The Pledge of Allegiance to the US should be modified to read -

Freedom, Liberty, Justice and Guns for All.

Except there are two realities that bother the narrative: 

a large portion of the “racism” and attacks against Asian Americans is not by white people. 

recently Asian Americans were the shooters not the victims in several mass shootings.

Both of which were mentioned in the article. Which ‘narrative’ are you bothered about?

Both of which were mentioned in the article. Which ‘narrative’ are you bothered about?

They make up the narrative of the left, then manufacture outrage against it. Like Perry when challenged by Fox News on wanting to sunset Medicare - he tried to paint it as what the Left is saying, and Fox (Fox!!!) pointed out it was in his own bill, and not what the left was saying.

These people are delusional. There are two types of them - the ones that manufacture outrage to get unintelligent people to vote against their own best interests in the pursuit of a culture war, and the ones that listen, get outraged, then vote against their own best interests in pursuit of a culture war.

I sense a lot of conflict in the alt-right take on this.

who is "alt-right"? Define it please.

As for law-abiding Asians taking advantage of their 2nd amendment rights, who wouldn't be in favor?

Pandemic racism was stirred up largely by the Dear leader"s comments as many Asian people attest to so it cannot exist unless it somehow came from the left.

When President Trump closed the doors to Chinese travelers early on, the left screamed "racism" (as they do for every single issue).

Then they said he didn't do it fast enough.

When Biden closed the doors to Chinese travelers just a few months ago.....crickets.

As for "pandemic racism", isn't it funny that violent acts against the Asian community surged even more after leftist politicians followed through on BLM's "Defund the police" demands.

Dagon - Ill give you a hint as for WHO is abusing the Asian community in record numbers. Take a look at FBI hate crime statistics.

Its not white Christian conservatives Asians fear as they walk down the street.

Its another group.

Can you guess which one?

Its not white Christian conservatives Asians fear as they walk down the street.

Other than the fact that you're wrong about the people Asians fear not being white, Christian, and conservative, the rest of your sentence was entirely correct!

The white coloured commit the most hate crimes.

You know exactly why. Asian store owners looked down their noses at blacks, treated every African American that came in their stores like a criminal and this created great resentment. It takes two to tango

Ok, so now we’re getting somewhere, now because of how many Asians treated Blacks does that justify violent attacks against these people? Most Asians contribute greatly to the nation, hardworking, overachieving, highly educated, these people have not gone out to decimate or destroy the Black community. Again, nothing justifies these inexcusable acts of violence towards them.

Why does anybody need a .50 caliber sniper rifle?

Why does anyone “need” anything they chose to have that is legal to buy and own.

tell me something you own and i will tell you why I think you don’t need it.

It’s not white Christian conservatives Asians fear as they walk down the street.

Or White people generally speaking.

Hate crimes have surged nearly 20 percent during the administration of President Donald Trump, according to a new FBI report on hate crime statistics.

https://www.newsweek.com/hate-crimes-under-trump-surged-nearly-20-percent-says-fbi-report-1547870

America First was for white and Christians. White Christian nationalism. The biggest threat to America.

Guns have a single purpose.

Another mass shooting at a mall in El Paso, TX, not too far from that deadly Wal Mart one last year.

If they feel safer, then sure, they have the right. Buy as many guns as they want. Not a problem.

When President Trump closed the doors to Chinese travelers early on, the left screamed "racism" (as they do for every single issue).

You mean anti-Asian racist comments like this?

“Does Coco Chow have anything to do with Joe Biden’s Classified Documents being sent and stored in Chinatown?” Trump wrote on Truth Social. “Her husband, the Old Broken Crow, is VERY close to Biden, the Democrats, and, of course, China.”

https://nypost.com/2023/01/26/elaine-chao-trumps-racist-chow-chow-remarks-say-more-about-him/

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-01-28/trump-s-racist-insults-of-elaine-chao-alienate-a-growing-voting-bloc

Chinese, Indian, and Filipino Americans make up the largest share of the Asian American population with 5 million, 4.3 million, and 4 million people respectively.

These numbers equal 23%, 20%, and 18% of the total Asian American population, or 1.5% and 1.2% of the total U.S. population.

American Asians come from many countries. LA has the largest group of Asians.

 Honolulu has a high share of Asian Americans in its population. Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, and Filipinos living in the city in large numbers.

About one-third of all Asians live in California.

American Asians are not a "single block" of people. They all have their own identity and culture. They are a complex group of people.

"Economically, Asian Americans are the most divided racial or ethnic group in the US, a Pew Research study found. High-income Asian Americans near the top of the income ladder earn 10.7 times as much as those on the opposite end of the income spectrum. "

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/01/us/asian-americans-facts-diversity/index.html

That was a sniper rifle with a very powerful scope. Does someone shoots burglar from 2 miles away?

wallaceToday  11:08 am JST

American Asians are not a "single block" of people. They all have their own identity and culture. They are a complex group of people.

If you believe so, then maybe you should stop referring to them as "American Asians".

Hate crimes have surged nearly 20 percent during the administration of President Donald Trump, according to a new FBI report on hate crime statistics.

One of the reasons why I love hate crimes have been. Serge is because when you ostracize one ethnic group over another, and you try to undermine them or to put them down, or Make them irrelevant, of course you will see, retaliation, anger, and revenge driven hate growing. When you say or make it that white lives are nothing you will see, retaliation, anger, and revenge driven hate manifest, this is what the previous administration before Trump had done.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/05/us/heather-mcghee-racism-white-people-blake/index.html

America First was for white and Christians. White Christian nationalism. The biggest threat to America.

Not anymore, especially when you look at the inner city crime stats.

When I see stories like this, I think - stay away from crazy Californians and New Yorkers. People living on top of each other is unnatural. Get some space.

People who want a firearm for sports should have one, if they like. Nobody should need a firearm for reasons of fear.

Just because the US Constitution grants a right, that doesn't mean everyone needs to partake in using that right. Part of a "right" is not being forced to use it. For example, atheists love the US to be free FROM religion. The right to bare arms is also the right NOT to bare arms.

Apologies, Siri messed up the first part of my previous post.

I meant to say…

> “One of the reasons why hate crimes have been surging is because when….”

I dont do the Asian American/African American whatever thing, we are all just Americans.

But if the media or an identity group needs a narrative pushed, here comes the "hypenated American".

RKL

wallace

American Asians are not a "single block" of people. They all have their own identity and culture. They are a complex group of people.

> If you believe so, then maybe you should stop referring to them as "American Asians".

I would agree but the various ethnic groups make the name for themselves. Asian Americans. African Americans.

Then there is the census.

The most recent United States census officially recognized five racial categories (White, Black or African American, Asian, Native American/Alaska Native, and Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander) as well as people of two or more races.

@wallace

Let's take an intelligent look at the numbers you posted.

21.3% were Black or African American

This group accounts for 12.1% of the US population, so they are over-represented for committing hate crimes by a fairly large margin, so you've given support to the people you are arguing against. LOL.

56.1% were White

Your numbers don't include Hispanics/Latinos, which is odd since they are the largest minority. Anyway, normally they are grouped as "white" when no such designation is made. That would make "white" 76.5% of the population. So, "whites" are largely underrepresented in your hate crime figures.

The white coloured commit the most hate crimes.

A simplistic assertion indeed. Whites are the majority by a very large margin. So, it would be quite extraordinary if they didn't commit the most such crimes, yet as pointed out, they are largely under-represented (according to your numbers). They also probably rate easily the highest when it comes to charity contributions, Good Samaritan actions, etc., but it doesn't mean much if not looking at demographic breakdowns.

White-on-white discrimination has also been a major problem. Italians, Irish, Poles, and Jews all experienced mass discrimination.

FBI Statistics:

Of the 6,312 known offenders:

56.1% were White

21.3% were Black or African American

13.5% race unknown

Other races accounted for the remaining known offenders.

Of the 4,884 known offenders for whom ethnicity was reported:

7.6% were Hispanic or Latino

8.9% were in a group of multiple ethnicities

28.1% ethnicity unknown

Of the 5,757 known offenders for whom ages were known:

82.3% were 18 years of age or older

@Jeff Lee........Whites commit the most hate crimes in the US! That is a fact!

What you have failed to mention in your over and under representation is........

African Americans are more likely than white Americans to be arrested; once arrested, they are more likely to be convicted; and once convicted, and they are more likely to experience lengthy prison sentences. African-American adults are 5.9 times as likely to be incarcerated than whites and Hispanics are 3.1 times as likely.

> Report to the United Nations on Racial Disparities in the U.S. Criminal Justice System

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/report-to-the-united-nations-on-racial-disparities-in-the-u-s-criminal-justice-system/

Whites who commit crimes are more likely to get a pass or are not prosecuted than minorities in particular Blacks.

That explains your under and over representations!

Nothing exists in a vacuum!

That’s a general problem there, as all other minorities or groups included black and white also arm themselves up, without exceptions. That ‘we are all Americans’ slogan doesn’t and won’t work in US, and similar paroles elsewhere don’t work too. Acceptance and tolerance, yes, that works fine in most cases. But that ideology of intentional mixing and creating everywhere melting pots and unified clothing, same looking cities, multicultural societies, that’s quite a bit too much pressure on every individual and quite an overdoing on this planet. You should first try that out for yourself in small and limited areas on space stations, Moon and Mars.

White-on-white discrimination has also been a major problem. Italians, Irish, Poles, and Jews all experienced mass discrimination.

But not in the States.

JeffLee

The numbers I posted were from a linked article. You can read it yourself.

Of the 6,312 known offenders:

   56.1% were White

   21.3% were Black or African American

   13.5% race unknown

Other races accounted for the remaining known offenders.

Of the 4,884 known offenders for whom ethnicity was reported:

   7.6% were Hispanic or Latino

   8.9% were in a group of multiple ethnicities

   28.1% ethnicity unknown

Of the 5,757 known offenders for whom ages were known:

   82.3% were 18 years of age or older

Many Asians and Latinos do not report hate crimes because of their mistrust of the police and authorities.

The Hispanic population is 18.9%. White 59.3%. Black 13.6%. Asian 6.1%.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045221

I am aware that the African American population is 13.6% and responsible for 21% of hate crimes. African Americans have a very long history of racism and discrimination from the time of slavery. A more complicated problem than just simple answers.