Paris attacks provoke fresh migrant fears in Europe

Chancellor Angela Merkel, already under pressure from political foes and allies

I knew it. I hope the Paris attacks will boost PEGIDA's agenda full throttle. And the facy that obama / kerry are letting in syrian islamic refugees to the US is nothing less than insanity.

But hey, don't blame me, I didn't vote for "change."

But hey, don't blame me, I didn't vote for "change."

Did you vote for Bush 41 and Bush 43? Then hey, I blame you.

Like it or not, the world has "Islam problem" and as predicted; it is getting worse. Most fail to understand Islam in depth, and this naive approach creates the carnage on the free and open society. Now the flame of revenges will continue and more killing will spread. Islam was a new religion after Judea-Christian area, and the jihad, killing in the name of Allah or caliphate had started throughout Islamic history till today. The culture clash is becoming obvious as most world leaders play down for various national reasons. Blaming on Bush or no Bush is a case of historical ignorant. Radical Muslims is cooking this war since early days. Obama fueled and embolden the extremists Sunni in delivering Iraq to Iranian hands. As said, the world pays heavy prices as in Paris and more into future due to the narcissist retreat-er in chief.

His warning came as a Greek official said a Syrian passport was found at the scene of one of the Paris attacks and its owner crossed into the European Union through the Greek island of Leros in Oct. 3.

I knew it! And this syrian refugee, whose passport was discovered at the scene of the Paris attack, was probably one the hundreds of young bearded men shouting, "God is Great" on their trek from Greece into europe.

Did you vote for Bush 41 and Bush 43? Then hey, I blame you.

This is what "Hope and Change got us!" Had Obama listened to his senior advisors, this attack COULD have possibly been prevented. Is Obama directly responsible for what happened in Paris, NO! In directly, YES! Obama could have and should have gone in Iraq and Syria consulted with his generals and made a surgical plan to retake and kill the senior command structure of ISIS, but he didn't do that, he didn't go after them aggressively and this is the result of that failed foreign policy.

What Europe has to face is an inescapable reality, one they have thus far not been willing to admit. If they want to protect their culture (let alone their lives), they have to say no more immigrants, guest workers, students, etc. from these countries. Sure 99% of them are not a threat. But since you can’t determine which .0001% are the problem, you have to assume they all are and have a blanket policy. They also will have to crack down on all Muslim citizens in their countries. And if someone complains, too bad. The lives of the innocent FAR outweigh the civil liberties of the suspected. Fact up to that or be prepared for more of what happened on Friday. It really is an easy choice.

“We believe,” she said, “in the right of every person to seek happiness and to enjoy it, in the respect for others.

Dear Chancellor Merkel, please, learn Koran and try to understand about Islam religion and then accept truth. Muslims do not think as you're thinking. Muslims think you and all non Muslims are nonbelievers and Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Muslims come to you're country for foods and shelter first and then to convert all nonbelievers to Muslim. If they don't and then they will kill you in final day.

Other faith followers can live in harmony and peaceful but not Islam religion followers. You have invited millions of Muslim refugees and Muslim economy migrants from Middle East and Africa at expense of Germany tax payers and EU members' citizens. As result of you're invitation, some ISIS terrorists are coming to Europe as refugees. Please, stop lying and do something for your country and peoples.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

@Bass Obama could have and should have gone in Iraq and Syria consulted with his generals

Are you seriously saying Obama didn't consult with his generals? I have no doubt there were generals who disagreed with him, but I also have no doubt that he DID in fact consult with his generals.

But I know, that doesn't fit the binary world perspectives that say all evil starts with people who disagree with you, that there's no spectrum of opinions possible only black or white. And I know your answer is 'I know you are but what am I'.

but I also have no doubt that he DID in fact consult with his generals.

Of course he did. He said, "Get the hell out of way, the Russians are calling the shots now."

Are you seriously saying Obama didn't consult with his generals?

I'm sorry, allow me to retort. Obama consulted with his generals, but he didn't follow NONE of their advice, requests or recommendations. There, I fixed it.

I have no doubt there were generals who disagreed with him, but I also have no doubt that he DID in fact consult with his generals.

Part of that involves taking their advice and using it.

But I know, that doesn't fit the binary world perspectives that say all evil starts with people who disagree with you,

Has nothing to do with me, just dealing with reality of the situation, if anyone is living in a bubble and could care less what anyone thinks and only thinks about himself is Obama.

that there's no spectrum of opinions possible only black or white. And I know your answer is 'I know you are but what am I'.

No, just keeping the liberal hypocrisy in check as always, don't hate the messenger, hate the message.

“We have contained” ISIS, as Obama declared on Good Morning America just hours before the attack. While he speeds up the 100,000 'refuges' process to USA.

don't hate the messenger, hate the message.

RofL . . . .

Bottom line, Obama will draw this out and make whatever excuses he can to give the illusion as if he is actively doing something to combat ISIS, by God, the man will not even use the word "radical Islamist" so why would anyone given his history and lack of will to engage the enemy that he is serious about rooting out radical Islam?

@Bass Obama consulted with his generals, but he didn't follow NONE of their advice, requests or recommendations. The

If I can understand your sentence, you're saying that no generals approved of what he did, that he made his decisions unilaterally. As a former Washington Post and NBC reporter, do you have any evidence for this 'reality of the situation'?

“We have contained” ISIS, as Obama declared on Good Morning America just hours before the attack. While he speeds up the 100,000 'refuges' process to USA.

@MarkG . . . . just more his mumbo jumbo talk. Pathetic isn't it.

that there's no spectrum of opinions possible only black or white. And I know your answer is 'I know you are but what am I'.

No, just keeping the liberal hypocrisy in check as always, don't hate the messenger, hate the message.

Bass' response to being pointed out that his post is essentially "I know you are but what am I"? Very fitting: "I know you are, but what am I".

I actually laughed when I read it.

If I can understand your sentence, you're saying that no generals approved of what he did, that he made his decisions unilaterally.

When Obama was getting ready to make this disastrous deal with the Iranians over 200 Generals protested and signed petitions against it. Based on that and on his history with being defiant and unwilling to talk and discuss foreign with his Generals, because there were so many that wrote books, did TV interviews and even people like Gates and Penetta even acknowledged that Obama is difficult to work with, won't listen, won't compromise, there is more than enough proof that Obama did what he wanted unilaterally.

As a former Washington Post and NBC reporter, do you have any evidence for this 'reality of the situation'?

YouTube, Stratfor, WSJ, FOX, CNN and other Journalists and anchors, that are in the mix, I personally know from DC.

Back on topic please.

Either Obama has no clue or he is a true polotician where truth and reality differ and the supporting public buy the lie. My bet is the latter.

more than 750,000 migrants who have come to Germany this year to an avalanche. His words reflect fears not just about how long the country of 80 million can keep up its open-door policy, but also about a possible violent backlash.

I have been very skeptical about EU Immigration policy from the beginning when Markel was courageous and said, "we will manage it". Will they? After the Paris Attacks of yesterday, Germans are throwing back to the reality and realize they cannot reverse the clock back. I fear there will be more hate against Islamic refugees in Europe and the history will be repeated. I still remember how Hitler was hunting and going after Jews.

It was just two months ago I was accused of racism, Islamophobia, paranoia, etc., here on JT for pointing out the obvious: ISIS will take advantage of this refugee "crisis" to spread its operatives across Europe. They would be fools to pass up such an opportunity.

Along with dismissing them as "idiots", one poster went so far as to say ISIS was:

a little to busy right now to spare fighters or thought on far away regions of the world.

I wonder if that poster has learned anything? Have you?

It was just two months ago I was accused of racism, Islamophobia, paranoia, etc., here on JT for pointing out the obvious

Me too. And more recently, I was also criticized for praising Australian authorities who are very hard line. Often turning away Islamic Iranian & Indonesian boat people who come banging on the door for asylum.

And worse, when I express my displeasure at Obama / Kerry letting in tens of thousands of these islamic refugees into (my country) the US, the libs still criticize my opinion. It's madness.

@Wc And worse, when I express my displeasure at Obama / Kerry letting in tens of thousands of these islamic refugees into (my country) the US, the libs still criticize my opinion. It's madness.

And when you attack it's OK? Free speech only for people who share your opinion? JT's policies are pretty clear about having respect.

Chop Chop - you are correct.

Problem is many of those migrants show up announced in boats, trucks, etc.

Would take a lot of camps to give authorities the time to check everyone out, their would be a huge outcry if we turned them back(recall Australia).

And they do come in large numbers thousands and more.

Europe is in a position of damnedbif you do and damned if you don't, would be nice if other countries with more space, etc could takem. Like Australia, USA, etc.

" she urged her countrymen to uphold European values of humanity and compassion in the face of terror"

Could anyone plz get her head out of sand? She's safe but I have to worry about my relatives in Germany going forward. Madness

Muslims come to you're country for foods and shelter first and then to convert all nonbelievers to Muslim.

You're joking, right. Surprising you managed to get so many user ID's to thumb you up.

Other faith followers can live in harmony and peaceful but not Islam religion followers.

You do realize that about 80 years ago similar statements were made in Germany about a different religion, and that did not turn out very well. I wonder why such statements are acceptable today.

I wonder why such statements are acceptable today.

Same reason as those statements were acceptable then - people are afraid, and they need a target for their fear to make themselves feel that it's not hopeless.

Just a few months ago, newspapers were full of reports about refugees being warmly received at German train stations, according to Joachim Trebbe, a communications researcher at Berlin’s Free University. Now reports about migrants are automatically linked to the word “crisis” as authorities struggle to cope with tens of thousands of arrivals each month.

Yep, and people were calling countries like Hungary and Turkey heartless and cruel. Even on CNN the reporters were yelling at Hungarian police for taking a firm stance. Now people look back and talk about Hungary being smart

" Chancellor Angela Merkel, already under pressure from political foes and allies, seemed Saturday to hold onto her stance of placing no limits on the number of people Germany is willing to give refuge to "

Merkel is insane. A country that does not control who enters the country is not a country! Even in countries that now want to invite a large number of Syrian immigrants (such as Canada under its new government), at least they discuss the numbers that the country can absorb. Nobody says "there is no limit. Well, nobody except Angela Merkel.

In the last 24 hours the European appetite for accepting hundreds of thousands of new Islamic refugees has plummeted and it wasn't very high to start with.

If it appears that ISIS has been deliberately using the refugee crisis to get terrorists into Europe, the appetite to accept more Syrian refugees will drop to zero.

Ah_so:

" the appetite to accept more Syrian refugees will drop to zero. "

The appetite of the population. But nobody is asking them. The current politicians are not willing to change their policy, and certainly not Angela Merkel.

What is being shoved down a lot of peoples throats by the outrageous right wing media is that migrants are bad, come to steal benefits, are likely terrorists etc. A great deal are waiting to see the evidence of this.

Europe remains largely unaffected, the numbers arriving are still miniscule. Fear seems to be rescinding actually.

haywards:

" What is being shoved down a lot of peoples throats by the outrageous right wing media is that migrants are bad, come to steal benefits, are likely terrorists etc. A great deal are waiting to see the evidence of this. "

Parallel universe? The media are generally incredibibly euphemistic about the situation, misrepresenting the avalange of mainly young healthy males as "refugees", ignoring that genuine refugees flee as families and do not cross multiple safe countries until they reach the one with the best welfare system.

" Europe remains largely unaffected, the numbers arriving are still miniscule. Fear seems to be rescinding actually. "

Again, parallel universe? 1 million young men in Germany alone, is not "miniscule" by any means. It is an incredible number. Imagine the equivalent: 1.2 million young men arriving in Japan, expecting to be housed or fed, or 4 million young men arriving in the USA.... and that is this year alone!

Meanwhile, I just saw that Angela Merkel now commented that "God sent them". Just when I thought it could not get any crazier....

It was just two months ago I was accused of racism, Islamophobia...

Ignore such ridiculous accusations.

It is perfectly OK to criticize islam and even be anti-islam in our Western societies.

We have healthy free societies where it is OK to criticize things that we see as problematic... including religions.

Look at the criticism that Christianity gets.

I have frequently heard hipster types casually let it drop in conversation that they "hate Christianity" or similar.

Nobody bats an eyelid.

So why on earth should islam get a free ride?!

Sorry islamic people... this how we are in our societies... we freely criticize religion if we want... and that includes yours.

If you don't like it, please consider going to live in a country such as Saudi Arabia. You'd love it there! People are whipped for criticizing islam.

So let's forget this "islamophobia" nonsense.

It's a sneaky way that islamic extremists are using to try to block free speech...

...and the sad thing is that some westerners are falling for it.

"over 200 Generals protested" You forgot to say "retired"

Many also wrote letters in favor of it. This includes Colin Powell. Since Colin Powell likes this deal it means Obama's Iran policy is a good move. Because Colin Powell is a conservative who speaks the truth.

It is perfectly OK to criticize islam and even be anti-islam in our Western societies.

Indeed, Western society encourages anti-Islam sentiments.

We have healthy free societies where it is OK to criticize things that we see as problematic... including religions.

Not quite, criticize one particular religion and you get in trouble.

This attack was not carried out by Islam. IS is a front, meant to get the West to attack it, or pretend to attack it , so that Syria can be destroyed.

The attack was not carried out by some refugees who just got together and decided to do this. This was a well and long planned attack. Explosives used were probably from those stolen from a French military facility over 4 months ago. Some witnesses apparently stated that shooters at the Bataclan looked European, and some spoke in perfect French. This whole attack was meant to get the West to want retaliation. And many posters are either naively falling for it or intentionally fueling the anti-Islam hatred.

Doo-Bop:

" Not quite, criticize one particular religion and you get in trouble. "

Yes, we know that. So do Salman Rushdie, several Danish cartoonists, Theo Van Gogh, and Charlie Hedbo. Glad we agree.

" This attack was not carried out by Islam. IS is a front "

You keep saying that, but you still have not answered the question: If IS is not islamic then what is it??

You keep saying that, but you still have not answered the question: If IS is not islamic then what is it??

That is a ridiculous statement, like saying if the KKK isn`t Christian then what is it?

There is a growing number of Europeans under 60 who have been told to feel outraged with migrants but after several months don't really get it. People outside of Europe might be surprised that people worry about it much less than they might think. Population growth equals however tiny equals economic growth further cementing Europe`s position as an economic superpower.

"We believe in the right of every person to seek happiness and to enjoy it, in the respect for others and in tolerance.”

That's true, except for islamists. While it's also true that certain "Christian" sects are woefully intolerant of others' beliefs, at least they don't go around suicide-bombing and otherwise mowing down innocent people. Abolish islam. Teach people to be kind to others instead.

Let's be very clear... being anti-islam is not hatred.

Perhaps, if it was a rational criticism of the religion, based on an unbiased analysis. But over the past few days we've had harsh anti-Islam sentiment expressed by the usual "crowd" in response to an attack whose link to Islam rests solely on the fact that a group that calls itself Islamic took credit for it, and a passport "found" near an exploded fellow.

Plenty of people criticize Christianity, for example.

Yes, I know, they are fair game too. That is not the religion I was referring to.

over the past few days we've had harsh anti-Islam sentiment

Over the past few days we've seen dozens of innocent people murdered in Paris.

I wonder what is worse... to be horribly murdered by terrorists or to have criticism and debate about your religion...?

Islamists are so sensitive... they hate criticism!

So...why do they come to the West, where criticism of religion, including islam, is one of the freedoms we enjoy?!!

They should be heading for Saudi Arabia.

I've heard that nobody is allowed to criticize islam there.

Free speech only for people who share your opinion? JT's policies are pretty clear about having respect.

Not really. I'm all for free speech. But you must admit isn't it, "NONSENSE", how obama / kerry will allow for tens of thousands of muslim refugees to debark into into the United States within the next 2-3 years??

This is exactly what ISIS wants. Lo & Behold look @ Paris. Look at Europe. Look @ eastern Europe while you're at it.

@PTownsend. When respecting opinions puts any country's National Security in jeopardy, the respect is superceded.

Over the past few days we've seen dozens of innocent people murdered in Paris.

Yeah, apparently by IS, so criticize them.

Yeah, apparently by IS, so criticize them.

That's the spirit!

Tell us what we can and can't criticize.

It's interesting how muslims are always trying to control people and make demands about what can and can't be criticized.

Maybe that's part of the muslim religion... controlling people.

haywards:

" Population growth equals however tiny equals economic growth further cementing Europe`s position as an economic superpower. "

Firstly, the massive wave of asylum seekers in Europe is not natural "population growth", and secondly, come on! If any growth in population equalled economic growth, then places like Haiti and Bangladesh would economic superpowers. Really now.

Doo-Bop:

" an attack whose link to Islam rests solely on the fact that a group that calls itself Islamic took credit for it, and a passport "found" near an exploded fellow. "

Well, the shouts of Allah Akbar and the choice of locations might be called a clue too. And soon we will know the identiy of the Shahids; somehow I am not expecting a bunch of Catholics.

And I am still curious to know: If IS is not islamic, then what are they?

"The attack was not carried out by some refugees who just got together and decided to do this." Yes, this was someone PRETENDING to be a refugee. Europe needs them since they are disappearing. They just need to scrutinize them more.

"the massive wave of asylum seekers in Europe is not natural "population growth"" But at least they were the ones who had the means to escape. The more educated/richer/skilled ones. Europe needs those. It sounds selfish but if any refugee could add productivity to Europe it would be these people.

Well, the shouts of Allah Akbar...

Are you sure they said that?

,,, and the choice of locations might be called a clue too.

Are you referring to the Bataclan, which according to the Times of Israel: "The Bataclan theater, targeted in Friday night’s Paris terror attacks, was Jewish-owned for decades, but was sold two months ago, its former owners said."

Hmmm, you have a point, that might indeed be a clue.

And I am still curious to know: If IS is not islamic, then what are they?

A..holes. Other than that, I think I made myself clear above as to what they are.

Firstly, the massive wave of asylum seekers in Europe is not natural "population growth", and secondly, come on! If any growth in population equalled economic growth, then places like Haiti and Bangladesh would economic superpowers. Really now

Developed countries need migrants. We can handle them, they stimulate the economy and pay their way in taxes. Undevelopd countries clearly don`t need them as they are unable to look after the population they already have.

If IS is not islamic, then what are they?

They are Islamic. Everything they do is to spread Islam and advance Islam's control over the world.

That is a ridiculous statement, like saying if the KKK isn`t Christian then what is it?

Democrats. The KKK were Democrats. They attacked black Americans, freed slaves, and the white Republicans who stood up for them. Everything they did was to advance the Democrat(ic) Party and protect its control over the South.

Tell us what we can and can't criticize.

Well played, sir.

Doo-Bop:

" A..holes. Other than that, I think I made myself clear above as to what they are. "

No, you did not. "A...holes" is a value judgement. The identify themselves as islamic, they enforce islamic law, their flag is the Shada, they give people the choice to convert to islam or die, their leader has a degree in islamic studies, they are addressing muslims in their media, and they are joined by muslims.

You claim they are not islamic. So again: What are they, in your opinion?

WilliB,

You believe exactly what IS wants you to believe, good for you. BTW, have you ever heard of the expression "don't judge a book by its cover"? Or in Paris, they would say: "l'habit ne fait pas le moine"!

If you want to know what, in my opinion, IS is: http://www.japantoday.com/member/view/Doo-Bop

Paris attacks provoke fresh migrant fears in Europe

Yup. One of the attackers has just been identified. Muslim to the max! Not one drip of French blood in his entire bloodline. Now, the threat keeps persisting. Like the future Jihadi Johns emigrating in Germany, USA and banging on AUS & JPN doors too.

Muslim to the max!

Sounds like describing a nationality

Yup. One of the attackers has just been identified. Muslim to the max!

Yeah, one passport was magically "found" near one of the "suicide bombers". I didn't know passports also included one's religion, and that on a passport one can be classified as "Muslim to the max".

Doo-Bpb:

" If you want to know what, in my opinion, IS is: http://www.japantoday.com/member/view/Doo-Bop "

That is simply a collection of your previous posts. It does answer the question: If you claim that ISIS, with its Shariah Law, its Shada, its forced conversion to islam, and its 100% islamic recruits is "not islamic", please tell us WHAT they are, in your mind.

Still waiting.

All the xenophobic rightists have found a superb pretext to justify their existence. On the 13th, it seems IS did it all with only 7 guys in Paris, and even if 30 other persons helped, that's not much. If needed, next time, they can recruit 50 local middle-class blue eyed blonds with freckles, Christian names and all. So you can close the borders, stop letting in immigrants, refuse even foreign visitors (no more tourists, students, business people), send away all the migrants already here, send away all the Muslims, with no effect.

its 100% islamic recruits

Not at all. They recruit many people that are not Muslim. That's an equal opportunity cult. IS also "catch" teenagers on the internet. Already several thousands There was a mediatised case of a French woman, daughter of a policeman, Christian background, living average 'traditional' French life till her 30's, no trips abroad, no relations with any Muslim community. And suddenly, she broke relations with all relatives and acquaintances. She went to Syria and is figthing in the jihadi army, probably after "converting" (if you insist that joining a gang of killers is religious). If they can get a person like her, they can get anybody. And that's not a novelty, look who the AUM cult was able to brainwash. And the Commies with their Red Army. And the SS with the Division Charlemagne. They all turned average people into mad killers that slaughtered people of their own background.

If it appears that ISIS has been deliberately using the refugee crisis to get terrorists into Europe,

Of course, they are using it. They didn't need that channel to send terros, but they used it and made sure the guys would drop their passports on the scene. They don't want their victims to flee and restart a life as refugees. Plus they love it that European governments get big troubles due to refugee crisis.

coskuri: If needed, next time, they can recruit 50 local middle-class blue eyed blonds with freckles, Christian names and all.

If they could, they would have, but they haven't, yet.

I think the problem is that education isn't keeping up with the pace of change in the world today. An existential threat facing developed societies today is that too many people are binary thinkers who can only comprehend when a problem has a right or a wrong and an evil and good. These people should be considered uneducated and efforts made to reduce this cancer on society. It's time the uneducated be considered unproductive and penalised in modern society.

coskuri:

" They recruit many people that are not Muslim. "

Sorry, but that claim is plain ridiculous. ISIS propaganda is pure salafi islamic propaganda, addressing muslims only (and even more specifically, Sunni muslims..... they are actually killing the Shiites, for a religious issue that goes back 1500 years).

I don´t know where you get this outlandish claim from, but should should show proof for it if you want to make it. Not holding my breath...

Conservatives in America are trying to make hay out of French blood as well. Despicable.

No honor. No shame.

When you invite guests into your home and they end up turning it upside down and starting a fire, well, you don't usually invite them back again. National security should work the same way. It doesn't always work out that way, but a lot of people feel this way.