Pelosi to step down as top Democrat after Republicans take House

Democrat Nancy Pelosi, the trailblazing first female speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, said Thursday that she will step down as party leader when Republicans take control of the chamber in January.

Not sad to see her go.

She personifies the false identitarian political pap the Democrat leadership feed progressives.

She is trailblazing in her gender but her policies were fat cat neo-liberal trickledown.

https://christiansocialism.com/nancy-pelosi-trump-sotu-social-media-neoliberalism/

I am a long time Democratic and welcome her departure from leadership. The Democratic Party needs younger leaders more closely connected to their constituents.

https://christiansocialism.com/nancy-pelosi-trump-sotu-social-media-neoliberalism/

A great example of why I want no part of either socialism or christianity. Both are closer to the authoritarianism and outright punishment of free thought and innovation that are hallmarks of communism and other forms of dictatorship. Neither have anything to recommend.

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A great example of why I want no part of either socialism or christianity. Both are closer to the authoritarianism and outright punishment of free thought and innovation that are hallmarks of communism and other forms of dictatorship. Neither have anything to recommend.

Christianity I can take or leave, but I prefer the kind of more direct control and ownership of public services that voters get with socialism to letting corporate shills run everything for profit while compliant politicians let them get away with it as long as they get their cut too.

I have nothing against capitalism and the small government big business approach in principle, but I see nothing to recommend about how they work in practice.

I have nothing against capitalism and the small government big business approach in principle, but I see nothing to recommend about how they work in practice.

I own a business and several properties. I consider the ability to own my own business and own property a right that government within reason has a duty to protect. In a socialist system this would be denied to me. Many socialist systems do not even allow one to own a piece of land. BS!

I am strongly in favor of protecting workers rights, environmental protection and health and safety laws. I do everything in my business well within the law as I mostly support these laws, and I take care of my customers but in a socialist system I would not be allowed to do any of this. It positively stifles innovation and those of us who want to take some risks and hopefully reap the rewards those risks can bring. I believe government has a duty to protect private property.

The problems you see are caused by lack of effective competition in significant consumer markets. I have written about this here many times. The cure is not socialism. That will only make things worse. A government monopoly is no better than a privately owned monopoly. The cure is to break up big corporations into more numerous smaller ones. Example, companies that search for and drill oil should never be owned by the companies that refine the oil. Refiners should be free to buy from whomever offers the lowest price. Likewise gas stations and downstream distribution should never be owned by an oil refiner. Gas stations should be free to buy from whatever distribution hub or "loading rack" is offering the lowest price. The beer, snack food, bread and personal care products companies also need to be broken up. There is no reason why Pepsico, which also owns Frito Lay, should be allowed to control half the carbonated beverage market and dominate the snack food isle. Break them up! FedEx and UPS should be stripped of all the other trucking, warehousing and logistics management companies they have bought up over the last 30 years so competition can be restored in these markets. The US and other market economies have anti-trust laws founded in good economic principles designed to prevent the abuses of oligopoly and monopoly. Use them! Thinly informed people whine about a wealth transfer from what they call "entitlements" like Medicare and Social Security while ignoring the vastly greater wealth transfer going on from consumers to producers due to too few firms in too many markets allowing them to extract monopoly rents from their customers. Those monopoly rents represent the single largest wealth transfer in the west. Welfare payments, Medicare and Social Security are chump change in comparison.

A skilled politician, mother and wife who has contributed greatly to American democracy. She has withstood partisan attacks and always kept her eye on the target while herding the Democratic caucus into unity on issues of major importance. And she isn't finished yet. Thank you Nancy Pelosi.

My favorite memory of Pelosi is when she ripped up Trump's State of the Union speech behind his back.

Good! Finally and most definitely long overdue.

A great example of why I want no part of either socialism or christianity. 

Hardcore atheist, libertarian and socialist myself and obviously the sound content of the article about Pelosi and neo liberalism was totally lost on you in favor of Red scare hysteria and odes to your properties and businesses.

As if making billionaires paying more tax than their secretaries or universal healthcare equal gulags and forced collectivization.

This oligarchic neo-liberal consensus is why in most modern democracies over 70 percent of the population live paycheck to paycheck.

In the US, thanks to Pelosi and Trump and their deluded supporters.

Speaker Pelosi had more courage than all of the neutered GOP put together.

On January 6th, she showed what leadership is all about.

Thank you for your service.

Speaker Pelosi had more courage than all of the neutered GOP put together.

Well, I’m sure the left thinks that, they can think whatever they like.

On January 6th, she showed what leadership is all about.

Thank you for your service.

And now it’s the GOPs turn to do the same with this current President

she isnt exactly "stepping down" she was voted out.

I think it’s very noble of Pelosi to step down; it’s the best thing she could do for the citizens of her district. But much like her canny ability to shop the stock market at just the right time, I think her timing is once again sharp-witted, especially considering the gop has just now officially announced an investigation into Joe Biden.

Mr. Noidall - She will still be representing the citizens of her district in this next Congress, just not in Democratic Congressional leadership.

Well, I’m sure the left thinks that, they can think whatever they like.

Thinking is not something you associate with the right wing bigots!

And now it’s the GOPs turn to do the same with this current President

They’ll be too busy tearing each other apart.

This will be fun!!!

Thinking is not something you associate with the right wing bigots!

Definitely not with the left.

They’ll be too busy tearing each other apart.

They’ll get it together, they just started. They’ll be fine.

Time for her to sit on a beach.

Thinly informed people whine about a wealth transfer from what they call "entitlements" like Medicare and Social Security while ignoring the vastly greater wealth transfer going on from consumers to producers due to too few firms in too many markets allowing them to extract monopoly rents from their customers.

This is a valid point but the Democrats like Pelosi as well as Republicans use Cold war Red scare tactics along with culture war pablum still to dissuade an uninformed electorate to vote against their best economic interests.

I would encourage you to read up about a modern tech/economist ,Cory Doctorow, has to say about this.

I have nothing against capitalism and the small government big business approach in principle, but I see nothing to recommend about how they work in practice.

The American duopoly theater of extremism symbolized by Pelosi/Trump hearings in Congress allows corporations to capture wealth and stifle creativity.

https://time.com/6219423/chokepoint-capitalism-doctorow-giblin/

The American duopoly theater of extremism symbolized by Pelosi/Trump hearings in Congress allows corporations to capture wealth and stifle creativity.

I think it’s the radical socialistic policies of restraint and regression education-wise whiles dispersing out massive entitlements, that is the real cause of lack of creativity.

Speaker Pelosi had more courage than all of the neutered GOP put together.

On January 6th, she showed what leadership is all about.

Is that ever the truth....contrast her working to get police and National Guard to the Capitol vs the Great Orange Inciter doing nothing but sitting back and watching it all on TV....or Josh Hawley sprinting away for his own crowd he gave the fist to....

Between her and Liz Cheney, they have more spine and guts than the entire Repub Congress - just call them the "Neutered Caucus"....

I hope her stepping down will keep the violent MAGA-crazies away from assaulting her and her elderly husband again...

Definitely not with the left.

Yes bigotry is something you never associate with the left, I am glad you agree.

They’ll get it together, they just started. They’ll be fine.

ROFL, they won’t . When donald goes to prison this idiot bunch will totally lose it!

she isnt exactly "stepping down" she was voted out.

No, she was not. She won re-election to her district. Had she choosen to, she would have remained the head of her Caucus. That her party NARROWLY lost the majority (which is completely contrary to what you personally were crowing would happen) in no way means she was voted out.

Nobody votes for or against a speaker. This is basic American Government.

Now your boy, on the other hand.....

If you need an example of someone being voted out, fired actually, well that is a much better example.

My favorite (though not the most consequential) part of her Speakership was her "What a god boy you are" slow clap of Trump after he caved on the government shut down that he instigated. That was a mockery, by a woman no less, that Cheeto-Jesus tissue-thin skin' has likely never has recovered from.

she isnt exactly "stepping down" she was voted out.

Flat out false and incorrect.....even Fox News acknowledges she is "stepping down"...

*Conservatives react to Nancy Pelosi stepping down as Democratic leader*

https://www.foxnews.com/media/conservatives-react-nancy-pelosi-stepping-down-democratic-leader-good-riddance

Wonder if we'll get a mea-culpa and apology for this clearly false post....

There are no socialist policies in the US. Unless you are looking under Republican beds.

As if making billionaires paying more tax than their secretaries or universal healthcare equal gulags and forced collectivization.

Progressive taxation and universal health care are very far from socialism. Some on the right would like to label it that but it is not. The idea of progressive taxation is as old as Adam Smith. Read his First Maxim of Taxation.

The subjects of every state ought to contribute toward the support of the government, as nearly as possible in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state. The expense of government to the individuals of a great nation is like the expense of management to the joint tenants of a great estate, who are all obliged to contribute in proportion to their respective interests in the estate. In the observation or neglect of this maxim consists what is the equality or inequality of taxation.

Smith believed that the rich were able to accumulate and enjoy their wealth because the state organized police, courts and in the case of Britain a vast military to protect their wealth and thus the rich ought to pay more than the poor insofar as they benefit more from the protections of the state than the poor do. He also wrote:

“It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.”

Smith likewise strongly opposed inherited wealth, as did Thomas Jefferson and James Madison among others. Socialism is defined as government ownership of the means of production, in other words no private industry. It often also means the government owns all the land. So to me as an economist when you say you advocate socialism that tells me you are opposed to private enterprise writ large. That I oppose.

My favorite (though not the most consequential) part of her Speakership was her "What a god boy you are" slow clap of Trump after he caved on the government shut down that he instigated. That was a mockery, by a woman no less, that Cheeto-Jesus tissue-thin skin' has likely never has recovered from.

I liked that but I liked even more how she tore up a copy of one of Donald Trump's State of the Union addresses as soon as it was handed to her while walking towards her chair.

I think it’s the radical socialistic policies of restraint and regression education-

Exercising restraint instead of extremism and education about regressive taxation?

Americans should be educated about that.

https://www.fool.com/taxes/2020/09/25/why-does-billionaire-warren-buffett-pay-a-lower-ta/

Then maybe we could have better representatives than Pelosi, McConnell, Manchin, Hawley, McCarthy and most of the Congress.

Exercising restraint instead of extremism and education about regressive taxation?

If they would teach that, no problem, kids can’t even do basic math.”

Americans should be educated about that.

Yes and leave the woke gender politics on the sidelines

Then maybe we could have better representatives than Pelosi, McConnell, Manchin, Hawley, McCarthy and most of the Congress.

I definitely agree with that.

Smith likewise strongly opposed inherited wealth, as did Thomas Jefferson and James Madison among others.

Smith also talked about the dissolution of the rentier class and how it stifles a free market.

Policies enriching enriching investors , shareholders and rent-seeking to the impoverishment of everyone else is all we see today.

And the majority of Republicans and Democrats are all on board with that.

Time for her to sit on a beach.

and focus on her stocks.

DudeDeuce

   Time for her to sit on a beach.

> and focus on her stocks.

Like millions of other Americans who have stocks. Probably she will think more about the millions-dollar book deals dishing the dirt during a Trump election run.

She will go down in history as one of, if not the most effective Speaker in the history of the House in terms of getting legislation she supported passed and keeping her Caucus on side.

Kevin McCarthy, IF (and that is no sure thing) he becomes Speaker will go down in history as an ineffectual buffoon and we don't even need to see him in action to make that assessment.

The man is a craven idiot and I don't know which term to emphasize more. He is truly craven: he has buckled under on his stated on the record policies and statements and reversed course on a feckless former idiot who tried to launch a coup so that he could be speaker. And even people who know and support him have said openly that he is not an intelligent person.

So slow clap for the feckless moron. In a few short months to a year, many Americans who are not cultist zealots will be pining for the days of Nancy and her organizational competence.

will go down in history as an ineffectual buffoon and we don't even need to see him in action to make that assessment.

yep Im gonna tell you about his entire future job performance already- without even acknowledging that he will even get the job. mmmm speculation and projection much? cant even wait for the guy to officially get the job much less do it and you already providing commentary on his performance that hasnt even started yet.

I sure hope you dont manage people in any capacity whatsoever.

will go down in history as an ineffectual buffoon and we don't even need to see him in action to make that assessment.

yep Im gonna tell you about his entire future job performance already- without even acknowledging that he will even get the job. mmmm speculation and projection much? cant even wait for the guy to officially get the job much less do it and you already providing commentary on his performance that hasnt even started yet.

I agree. I mean, at least he said "Trump should resign" after Jan 6th....wait, he claims he didn't say that....wait again...he's on tape clearly saying that...

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/22/politics/kevin-mccarthy-audio-trump-resign/index.html

And heck, didn't he say on Fox that the Benghazi investigation was all just about "pulling Hillary's numbers down" - nothing about real issues....

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/mccarthy-links-benghazi-panel-clintons-sinking-poll-numbers-n436151

Guy's a genius...what a track record....ROFL..

Like millions of other Americans who have stocks.

Not sitting in government.

Former House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) congratulated Nancy Pelosi on Thursday on her “remarkable, historic run” leading House Democrats, after the congresswoman announced that she would be stepping down from party leadership next year.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/boehner-congratulates-pelosi-for-remarkable-historic-run-as-house-democratic-leader/ar-AA14f1yl?cvid=e99988cbdb0e4bf79d164164b14a5751

Yep, he has way too much class for the current bunch of class-less MAGA Repubs...