Pence hires outside legal counsel

Nice headline. Keep 'em coming.

The news of Cullen's hiring was first reported by the Washington Post

Once again the media having to find out the facts themselves as they are being kept secret by the repub filth. This man is guilty as sin. I suspect every rube will be lawyering up around now to hide their treasons

They declined to say what had sparked Pence's decision to hire an outside lawyer and referred all questions concerning the Russia investigation to Cullen's office. The law firm referred questions back to the vice president's office.

For Pence cue Roy Orbison's 'Running Scared', and for the lawyer's referring back cue Billy Preston's 'Will it Go Round in Circles'.

One thing the US has long got right is music.

Innocent until proven guilty. Hiring a lawyer is smart, just ask the family of JonBenet Ramsey. When law enforcement decided they were guilty, without any proof.

Also ask Richard Jewell if he wish he'd hired a lawyer.

The common law rule in the USA is, "You can sue anybody for any amount of damages." Usually both parties have to pay their own costs except in small claims court or as specified in the documents. It was an excellent decision to "lawyer-up" and prepare for future problems.

"the repub filth". ? The leftist rhetoric is getting out of hand.

Smart move. Let his lawyer handle the witch hunt, while he can concentrate on his job. I am fine with the Dems going all in on this evil-Russia line. As long as it continues, it pretty much guarantees they will not have a shot at winning an election. It just makes them look like loonies. Most sane Americans don't buy into this craziness.

Most sane Americans don't buy into this craziness.

Guess you're calling a lot of Americans crazy:

"Following Comey’s blockbuster appearance before Congress, an Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll shows 68 percent of Americans are at least moderately concerned about the possibility that Trump or his campaign associates had inappropriate ties to Russia. Almost half of Americans say they’re very concerned. Only 3 in 10 say they’re not that concerned."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/ap-poll-majority-americans-think-president-trump-meddled-russia-probe/

More witch hunting?

With Trump he cannot be just the subject of an everyday run of the mill witch hunt.  Oh my word no.  If it is Trump involved it has to be the ' single greatest WITCH HUNT in American political history". 

If he is ever found guilty of anything no doubt it will be "the GREATEST miscarriage of justice EVER".

It's not a witch hunt, merely an attempt to establish the facts. If Pence has done nothing wrong there will be no evidence linking him to Russia and he has nothing to fear. The best thing he can do is to give his full cooperation to the enquiry without being evasive or lying.

Guess you're calling a lot of Americans crazy:

Well, one in six Americans do take psychiatric drugs. But I didn't say they were crazy, just that they won't buy into the craziness. But, as Hitler and others have taught us, the masses can be swayed with sufficient and repeated propaganda. So maybe you are right.

The democrats have made a habit of using the courts to imprison political enemies who are absolutely innocent of the crimes they are accused of. Ask Scooter Libby.

Definitely a Smart Move.

Trump's lawyer told everyone at the WH that they didn't need an attorney, a legal tactic and dumb for anyone who follows it. Trump's lawyer is working for Trump and only Trump. Everyone is disposable in the mission to protect Trump, whether Trump is guilty or not.

Therefore, it is a very smart move. All available attorneys will soon be working to defend the WH staff from being dragged down by Trump.

Definitely a Smart Move. 

Why? You mean for Pence to lawyer up, I think so too.

Trump's lawyer told everyone at the WH that they didn't need an attorney, a legal tactic and dumb for anyone who follows it.

So you're saying that the Trump administration should just sit around on their thumbs and allow a deep and internal investigation of a man with very strong Democratic ties and has given a lot of money to Democratic causes and trust a man who's protégée was the former FBI director and both having a very deep friendship, a man that flushed out Hillary, tried to get Trump, leaked government classified info to a civilian which by the way is a felony. With all that and the history that the left has with this president, you have to be the biggest fool to trust these people as being totally far and impartial. So yeah, I'd lawyer up as well.

Trump's lawyer is working for Trump and only Trump. Everyone is disposable in the mission to protect Trump, whether Trump is guilty or not.

I remember two other recent Democratic presidents that did the same thing. Lol

Therefore, it is a very smart move. All available attorneys will soon be working to defend the WH staff from being dragged down by Trump.

I pray the Democrats do as much damage with this, it'll help to keep them as a fringe and looney party.

 Hitler and others have taught us, the masses can be swayed with sufficient and repeated propaganda. So maybe you are right.

An apt statement. You must be referring to the current leader who uses hate and fear as propaganda.

democrats have made a habit of using the courts to imprison political enemies who are absolutely innocent of the crimes they are accused of. Ask Scooter Libby.

Please, Scooter Libby was an unknown and worked behind the scenes for Cheney. He did nothing without Cheney's approval.

Even Bush said he was prosecute anyone in his administration found to have outed Plame. Little did he know at the time, it was Cheney. In case you didn't know, Bush is in the GoP, i.e., not a democrat.

In the end, Dick Cheney outed Valarie Plame as a CIA agent in retaliation against her husband debunking Cheney's claims that aluminum tubes and uranium was not being bought by Iraq. Outing a CIA agent was criminal. Scooter was Cheney's fall guy because he did what Cheney said. So, you can blame Cheney and the GoP for poor Scooter, and dig a little deeper to support your baseless accusation.

The GoP uses the courts to imprison a class of people it doesn't like, blacks. Just ask Sessions what he thinks about mandatory prison sentences and compare that to the opinion of any rational police department, prosecutor, or human being in the country who knows the history and effectiveness of mandatory minimum sentences.

Pence appointing legal counsel on-call does not mean much, except that he chose somebody who had done most of their work around Virginia dealing it seems with less 'newsworthy' issues, and that Pence's selection process has been going on for sometime already.

'Lawyering-up' is just a normal precaution. What are interesting is that Pence seems to be doing this independently of the Trump kerfuffle and also the timeline. Otherwise he is keeping under the radar successfully, and I would try to do that too if I were him. It is near impossible to be untainted by Trump, yet I think that Pence is doing that as well as can be expected.

Parallels: obviously Ford as Nixon's VP and Johnson as Kennedy's. Johnson sort of became his own man very soon after Kennedy's sudden demise. Ford however gave Nixon a pardon which probably had been on the table there for a while.

I wonder what Pence is putting on his table these days.

@bass More witch hunting?

There are so many witches to be hunted. Happy hunting to those responsible for upholding law and order. Drain the swamp! Lock them up!

@comradeteer Well, one in six Americans do take psychiatric drugs.

And a higher number of Russians have serious drinking problems. Could that then be used as a reason to explain why many Russians accept another authoritarian tyrant?

@comradeteer the democrats have made a habit 

I suggest you revisit a dictionary to find the meaning of habit. If you want to be a more effective flamer, stop exaggerating.

Time to really drain the swamp. Trump and his dodgy cronies are getting into deeper and deeper manure and we're only talking about what the public knows so far. What an impressive start to a presidency. If people can't see where this is all leading to (hint: it begins with the letter 'i'), they have their heads buried in the sand.

And Trump seems to think he can just fire anyone he doesn't like or who start sniffing around too much. He probably got away with it in the business world but it doesn't work like that in politics DJT.

Burning BushToday11:59 am JST

Are we really expected to believe that such a broad range of US politicians are under some secret Russian influence?

What - ageing, rich, white Republicans who wouldn't say no to having even more money? Yes, that's a very broad range.

This has become a hysterical conspiracy theory and will go down in history as McCarthyism part 2, after everybody's time is completely wasted.

Well, you can always hope. Let's wait and see.

Agree, Inkochi.

Pence likely has had zero involvement in the shenanigans of Trump et al but is growing increasingly alarmed at the size of the fire behind all the smoke.

Trump will use Pence if he finds it in his interest. He'll roll him in a second, and Pence knows this. Therefore, Pence must be exceedingly careful from now about what he knows (and doesn't) and his communication methods - what disclosures he makes to whom, how, and when.

Trump is growing increasingly toxic even within his own party. If I were any GOPer - including Pence, his own VP - I would never be in a room alone with him.

It's not a witch hunt, merely an attempt to establish the facts.

But somehow they only want the facts on every single Republican who Trump has ever talked to or appointed. Facts on anyone else dont seem to be part of the so called investigation.

This isnt an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. Its the 'we want to impeach Trump, so gotta find a reason' investigation. Even the New York Times admitted that the investigation has shifted from Russian collusion to investigation of obstruction of justice. Said now it doesnt matter if collusion was even true or not. Trump can still be impeached for obstructing an investigation into a crime that didnt even happen they said. After 5 months of the media screaming collusion every day, it doesnt even matter now?

Its perhaps worth noting that while the Vice President is hiring a lawyer with relevant experience in the field after a lengthy vetting of candidates, the President is being represented by his real estate lawyer who has no experience with this sort of thing.

But, as Hitler and others have taught us, the masses can be swayed with sufficient and repeated propaganda.

The fact that Trump won proves that - even with all his crap, the right had smeared her so bad that she couldn't even beat him.

Are we really expected to believe that such a broad range of US politicians are under some secret Russian influence?

Aren't most of Trump's team non-politicians?

Its perhaps worth noting that while the Vice President is hiring a lawyer with relevant experience in the field after a lengthy vetting of candidates, the President is being represented by his real estate lawyer who has no experience with this sort of thing.

Agreed, Trump's atorney was hired because he has a similar mindset to Trump and is loyal to Trump. He is outclassed in every way. Dumb move by Trump because more bluster is just going to hurt him.

So you're saying that the Trump administration should just sit around on their thumbs

No, that is what Trump's attorney is saying: trust me, you don't need an attorney.

I am saying, don't trust Trump or his attorney, lawyer up. They will stab you in the back to protect themselves.

It is highly likely Trump discussed the reasons for firing Comey internally. He likes to talk and brag. . . . and lie. If he did discuss the firing, then the testimony and involvement of the people in those discussions is relevant to the obstruction investigation. Those people could be in legal jeopardy, but as unelected officials, they would be tried in a criminal court case. So, they really do need an attorney.

You must be referring to the current leader who uses hate and fear as propaganda.

Add S to the end of leader, and "envy" to hate and fear, and I might agree with you. But all you can see is the wrongs the other guys do. Yet, it seems to be mainly the Republicans that are being attacked and shot at. Funny that.

Libby was sentenced to prison for essentially nothing. Here's how it works. Put someone on trial for something they had nothing to do with, and force them to give extensive testimony. Then, when something in that testimony doesn't match up ("you said you had coffee on March 21, 1988, but you had tea that day"), charge them with perjury. It's in the Democrat playbook.

Cheney wasn't the one who revealed Valerie Plame. It was Richard Armitage, who was never even charged. These are facts, sorry.

Funny arguing this stuff, because the left aren't very fond of facts.

HHeh. That's the sound of a big toilet flushing....

TThe stench from this rotten administration just gets worse.

Yeah 2 leaks in 2 days from the Mueller investigation. Couldnt he find any lawyers to work with him who didnt donate to Hillary (a subject of his investigation) or who didnt work for the Clinton Foundation?

So leak that Trump under investigation yesterday, top news that Pence has a lawyer today and leaked something about Kushner for the weekend. Good thing that baseball game was held the day after the shooting and we can forget all about that now and get back to the agenda. The narrative rolls on unimpeded.

An apt statement. You must be referring to the current leader who uses hate and fear as propaganda.

The ONLY hate, fear and intimidation that I see is coming from the hard far left as we have seen the other day.

Please, Scooter Libby was an unknown and worked behind the scenes for Cheney. He did nothing without Cheney's approval.

How do you know this? Can you verify that? I'm not even going to revisit that nonesense which was at that time, the most stupidest witch hunts ever.

Even Bush said he was prosecute anyone in his administration found to have outed Plame. Little did he know at the time, it was Cheney. In case you didn't know, Bush is in the GoP, i.e., not a democrat.

I never believed Bush was a deep down conservative anyway.

The GoP uses the courts to imprison a class of people it doesn't like, blacks.

So now we have to go back to the race issue again, you guys are digging desperately now.

Just ask Sessions what he thinks about mandatory prison sentences and compare that to the opinion of any rational police department, prosecutor, or human being in the country who knows the history and effectiveness of mandatory minimum sentences.

I think if you do the crime, do the time, could care less what color you are, if you don't want to see the inside of a prison, keep your head on straight. So good on Sessions to take a harder line and not give these felons any credit.

TThe stench from this rotten administration just gets worse.

Dunno about that, when I see all these lib protesters and the Anti-fads loons, they don't look as if they smell like a bed of roses.

Like I said in the other thread, New York Times cant get leaks anymore because Comey's reporter connection there was found out. So now Washington Post gets the leaks (Comey has a reporter friend there too) as well as the stories that are basically true (Pence got a lawyer). That way they can get people to think that because some of their stories are true, that the leak stories are too.

Meanwhile NY Times gets to do the fake news attacks and speculation for a while (Sarah Palin responsible for the baseball shooting, etc) Because no one believes them at the moment, they need a break. Interesting that WaPo, NY Times, CNN all not reporting on the Deputy AG statement about fake news.

US Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein issued a statement Thursday night that appeared to reference leaks and urged Americans to be skeptical of "stories attributed to anonymous ‘officials.’"

http://www.businessinsider.com/intelligence-leaks-investigation-rod-rosenstein-russia-investigation-statement-2017-6

Even the New York Times admitted that the investigation has shifted from Russian collusion to investigation of obstruction of justice.

I'd like to see that quote, Black. The investigation has not been "shifted"; another investigation has been added.

I think if you do the crime, do the time, could care less what color you are, if you don't want to see the inside of a prison, keep your head on straight. So good on Sessions to take a harder line and not give these felons any credit.

Mandatory prison sentence rules are designed to imprison black people for longer periods than white people. Poor blacks tend to get caught more with crack, and whites tend to get caught with powdered cocaine.

We moved away from it except in the most extreme cases and crime decreased.

The goal of law should be to deter "the bad man". Oliver Wendell Holmes.

Retribution as a reason has always made poor law.

Why have reason when you can have a rule? Hmm, except when the rule may apply to Trump or your interests.

I'd like to see that quote, Black. The investigation has not been "shifted"; another investigation has been added.

I cant find the article on their website anymore. if I find it later I will post it. It was one of the articles which stated it doesnt even matter if collusion happened or not, that obstruction is now the goal and the crime. It was very similar to this one

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448641/democrats-move-russia-goalposts-no-more-collusion-obstruction-now

Was very similar to this one as well, same statement about shifting focus because collusion cant be proven and they are giving up. This was also in the NY Times on 13 June but I cant find it online now:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/13/trump-russian-collusion-trail-abandoned-by-democra/

Accusations of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia faded, and Democrats shifted their focus Tuesday to trying to build a case for obstruction of justice against President Trump.

What - ageing, rich, white Republicans who wouldn't say no to having even more money? Yes, that's a very broad range.

What about the rich white liberals, (especially in Silicon Valley) who wouldn't say No to having more money?

Choose your party:  

Republican or American!

What n Earth does that mean??

Agreed, Trump's atorney was hired because he has a similar mindset to Trump and is loyal to Trump. He is outclassed in every way. Dumb move by Trump because more bluster is just going to hurt him.

Thats the entire purpose of hiring a lawyer. He is outclassed? Seems like if liberals have that much hatred in their hearts for this man, he must be doing great!

No, that is what Trump's attorney is saying: trust me, you don't need an attorney. 

Yeah, until Comey and now Mueller seem to have the glowing hots for Trump, but this is the result when you have sore losing Democrats that can't get their way and sucking their thumbs won't calm them either.

It is highly likely Trump discussed the reasons for firing Comey internally. He likes to talk and brag. . . . and lie.

Lincoln lied as well, every president has lied, she what's new?

If he did discuss the firing, then the testimony and involvement of the people in those discussions is relevant to the obstruction investigation.

No, it doesn't. Now does that mean, the desperate Dems won't try to find some way to make it look like obstruction, of course they will.

Those people could be in legal jeopardy, but as unelected officials, they would be tried in a criminal court case. So, they really do need an attorney.

Dunno, seems like Comey, Lynch are also in deep hot water now as well, let the games begin! Lol

The point is, Black, that both investigations are now proceeding concurrently.

In fact, obstruction of justice may turn out to be the least of Trump's worry. Apparently, the FBI is looking into the possible existence of a very smoking gun: money laundering. If (and it is still a very big if) such a connection is found, some in Trump's inner circle - including, perhaps, family members - will go to jail.

We'll see how this plays out. Attention may shift to the latest shiny object, but investigations - now quite plural - continue.

More witch hunting?

Please don't drag the reputation of decent witches into this mess.

Pence would do well do distance himself from Joffrey's court at this stage. Winter is coming.

Yeah 2 leaks in 2 days from the Mueller investigation.

Yeah, but according to you guys, the leaks don't matter if the content is relevant.

So no problem with the leaks. Carry on.

@Laguna Money laundering? Ok thats a new one, its good I guess that they already have the next one lined up for when obstruction also fails. But I do see some articles about it now that you mention it. Yeah if that is proven it should be and will be dealt with in a serious manner. THAT is a provable crime, not partisan politics like all this other nonsense.

Trump keeping promises every day.

Kicking out immigrant parents was a promise?

Cuban relations need to regress back to the cold war?

There was a reason why Republicans tried to re-brand themselves as "compassionate conservatives".

They have no compassion or reason.

Yeah, but according to you guys, the leaks don't matter if the content is relevant.

So no problem with the leaks. Carry on.

You know good and well I am against leaks of any kind during an active investigation. I told that to you directly the other day. I am especially against leaks that are not true, which has been most of them per Comey. The Hillary email leaks were actually true (but should not have been leaked either). Just a reminder of what you know I said the other day

@Black yeah right the Russian thing is so fake now...

I am just still waiting for any proof that anyone related to the Trump campaign actively colluded with the Russians as it relates to the 2016 election. Any proof that anyone related to Trump helped them to hack the DNC/Hillary's mails. Especially proof that any of that collusion was requested by the Trump campaign in order to help Trump win the election. I have heard nothing.

No one pushing all these narratives cares about the Russia hacking, they have done but say that someone connected to Trump had to have helped them to do it. But didnt they do it to other countries too? Who helped them do that, Trump too?

What if no one helped and the Russians did it all by themselves? Have you even looked into that option and made changes to IT systems and cybersecurity? Nope, havent heard a word about technical aspects of how they did it and what was done in response. Oh right, Dems will just say thats secret thats why I havent heard about it (and never will) but trust us it happened.....

flush them all out

Kicking out immigrant parents was a promise?

Cuban relations need to regress back to the cold war?

The law is the law and as for Cuba, why and what besides a Hemmingway drink and looking at old car relics what are we getting? What are the people from Cuba getting, nothing, especially when it involves human rights issues.

There was a reason why Republicans tried to re-brand themselves as "compassionate conservatives".

They have no compassion or reason.

As a Californian that lives in a swamp of liberals, they are the last people to give you anything, in fact, they'll take more of your money....gleefully.

It should be noted the during his testimony, Come did not state that most leaks are untrue.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/us/politics/james-comey-new-york-times-article-russia.html

If he did discuss the firing, then the testimony and involvement of the people in those discussions is relevant to the obstruction investigation.

This is an accurate statement. (See FRE 401).

I am just still waiting for any proof that anyone related to the Trump campaign actively colluded with the Russians as it relates to the 2016 election. Any proof that anyone related to Trump helped them to hack the DNC/Hillary's mails. Especially proof that any of that collusion was requested by the Trump campaign in order to help Trump win the election. I have heard nothing.

Why would you have? You're not part of the investigation. There is literally no reason why you would have any of the information that the investigators have while they are conducting their investigation.

...unless someone were to leak it of course. But you were just claiming above that you are not for leaks. So which is it - are you expecting evidence to be leaked or not?

This is an accurate statement. (See FRE 401).

Swift, I'm impressed. I didn't know you had it in you.

Evidence is relevant if:

(a) it has any tendency to make a fact more or less probable than it would be without the evidence; and

(b) the fact is of consequence in determining the action.

Viking:

i have a six-digit number that allows me to cross the bar.

Pence is running scared, and rightly so. It is indeed wise of him to hire legal counsel, but the excuses the panicked right-wing are giving for it are not the reason -- Pence is eventually going to have to appear before Congress/the Senate and possibly before a judge, and he's going to have to swear he had nothing to do with and know knowledge of, but admit to, Trump's actions. Pence may still be able to avoid getting sucked down with the Titanic here, unlike Sessions and a few others. Trump's attempt to threaten Mueller like he did with Comey have backfired, and now Mueller is on more of a mission than ever. No surprise the dogs nipping at Trump's heels want Mueller's head on a spit.

bass4funk: "What can I say, I like fairness, just keeping it real homey."

hahaha... "fairness" like FOX, which had to remove it is not fair nor balanced at all and hence the removal.

Viking:

Are you a member?

China powers on beaming quantum particles from satellites in an effort to build an unhackable computer network while democrats and intelligence services focus on Trump.

Sad . . .

hahaha... "fairness" like FOX, which had to remove it is not fair nor balanced at all and hence the removal. 

Because of what happened with Ailes, get the story right, that's the only reason because of that association, but Brett Baier said, he would still use it.

Pence is running scared, and rightly so. It is indeed wise of him to hire legal counsel, but the excuses the panicked right-wing are giving for it are not the reason 

He's running scared? You spoke to him personally?

-- Pence is eventually going to have to appear before Congress/the Senate and possibly before a judge, and he's going to have to swear he had nothing to do with and know knowledge of, but admit to, Trump's actions. 

Doesn't mean that those actions lead anywhere to being an act of obstruction.

Pence may still be able to avoid getting sucked down with the Titanic here, unlike Sessions and a few others. 

Digging more rabbit holes. I guess the libs want a president Pence. I can live with that.

Trump's attempt to threaten Mueller like he did with Comey have backfired, and now Mueller is on more of a mission than ever. No surprise the dogs nipping at Trump's heels want Mueller's head on a spit.

constitutionally, Trump can still fire him if he chooses, even if that were to create gasps on the left, but why would he? I don't think he really has to. The sharks are looking for blood as usual.

Given the abysmal track record of some posters, I would caution against staking a position different from your interests. If Trump were to fire Mueller, it would rip at the very fabric of our democracy. If republicans were to not denounce such a move, they would be contributing to the aforementioned ripping.

blacklabel: Ok thats a new one, its good I guess that they already have the next one lined up for when obstruction also fails.

So where are we at, black?

You said the NYT and HuffPo print fake news about Trump. The NYT just printed some so they will lay low and HuffPo will generate the next fake news story. That means you think these news organizations are carefully coordinating their efforts behind the scenes to generate news they know is fake.

For the investigation, these people don't care about the law, they are guided by their desire to just prosecute anything on Trump. They'll keep searching and searching until they find anything that sticks because it's all just a partisan smoke screen and Mueller is the leader of it.

Does that sound about right?

I'm always amazed at how otherwise reasonable people can read the same facts yet come to different conclusions purely based on their political party, then proceed to talk passed each other.

It is the reasoned posts which create the most thought on any subject. Using nasty descriptions of the other-side makes people defensive. Not a good way to turn them towards your reasoned posts.

" investigations into possible collusion between Russia and President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign"

Decades from now, what's left of the Democrats will still be trying to find collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign,  yet, they have a mountain of evidence into Clinton's corruption and no one in the ((((MSM)))) gives a crap. 

Oh my...

Trump Now Supposedly Being Investigated by FBI For Obstruction of Justice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuYuIS-8nik

Given the abysmal track record of some posters, I would caution against staking a position different from your interests. If Trump were to fire Mueller, it would rip at the very fabric of our democracy. 

No, it would undermine and tee off misguided and disgruntled liberals, "curses foiled again!"

If republicans were to not denounce such a move, they would be contributing to the aforementioned ripping.

Yeah, better than to be a giant Pinata for the Democrats and their low down scheme.

How is insisting on the rule of law partisan?

How is insisting on the rule of law a witch hunt?

How is insisting on the rule of law a low down scheme?

As one poster said in relation to deporting undocumented immigrant parents of US citizens, "the law is the law." In a vibrant democracy this means even the president is subject to the laws. In the immortal words of Chesterfield Smith responding to Nixon attempting to withhold his tapes during Watergate, "No man is above the law."

How is insisting on the rule of law misguided or being disgruntled?

Zurcronium:

That must have been some good coffee; you came out the gate swinging the truth at like your life depended on it. Admirable.

Im sure you already know this, but a very large number of conservatives are highly allergic to facts. This means your post will entertain those of us that participate in reality and fall on the deaf ears of those at whom it is directed.

What if no one helped and the Russians did it all by themselves? well if the Russian had any involvement in the election then the result is tarnished and void, whether Trump and his goons are guilty of collusion or not wont change the fact that their team had help by the Russians (known or not) Best case scenario the election should be run again, worse case scenario is nothing is done even if a man that is POTUS doesnt deserve to be in that position. Bit like an athlete that wins a gold medal but later finds his coach has been spiking his drink and he fails a drug test, should he be allowed to keep his gold! cheating is cheating

As much as I dislike Trump, I don't think a re-election is realistic. Rather, measures should be put in place to ensure it doesn't happen again.