Pence says no room in GOP for 'apologists for Putin'

“there is no room in this party for apologists for Putin” as he further cemented his break from former President Donald Trump.

I hope the "muh Russia" extreme rightists and others long backing the Republican Party agree with Pence, but that would require them to begin to question Trump's beliefs, which might result in some of them losing a bit of status at their gun clubs and in their sales teams. And it might result in some Trump-right politicians losing some of the campaign donations they had got from Russian oligarchs.

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/05/08/how-putin-s-oligarchs-funneled-millions-into-gop-campaigns/

I imagine the pro-Russia/Trump Republicans can claim "fake news", which is one of the few ways left for them to defend their Trump and others in his QGOP.

Yes fight for your party Mr. Pence. The GOP used to be a beacon of freedom. Unfortunately the party has been usurped by those that admire and advocate for everything Lincoln stood against.

Unfortunately the party has been usurped by those that admire and advocate for everything Lincoln stood against.

Well said. Not just Lincoln, but even Ronald Reagan, who was far right, but never so wack he'd try to violently overturn an election, nor praise fascist dictators.

Really? Your former boss seemed to idolize Putin!

“It’s no coincidence that Russia waited until 2022 to invade Ukraine,”

Correct. Putin waited until his boy P45 split the United States along political lines and weakened NATO.

Sadly, there are some Americans who still have not grasped this obvious reality.

The GOP used to be a beacon of freedom.

Not for over at least the past few decades it hasnt.

Ancient history really.

All a bit premature considering we do not know yet who is going to win the war. Just like the war-crime stuff it is pushing everyone into one corner. If putin was to take over ukraine and russia was to be isolated it would still exisit. North Korea has been isolated and sanctioned for decades but it still exisits and still needs to be dealt with.

The US media spent the whole of trumps term to put-him-down and in so doing they reduced the legitamacy of the presidency. Biden was not best choice about of 450 million people but whoever it was had to deal with less power in world politics.

Whoever takes over from Biden will have even less power and the world wont be that fussed who it is. Americans might but outside of the US it will be a Mark Drakeford's level of importance.

And THIS, as much as the "war boost" being a President who causes a war gets from Americans, is why Biden ignored Putin's efforts to get him to stop the Ukrainian regime's violations of the second Minsk Treaty the way the US had after the Ukrainian regime blew up the first one.

With a reasonable fraction of the Trumps, a Republican run for the WH in the upcoming election was viable, especially with Biden losing the actually progressive vote.

But between forcing the Republicans to either offend the Trumps or their share of the Party Of War, Biden's secured that win, at a terrible cost, and possibly even dooming the Imperium.

“I saw the light, I saw the light…No more darkness, no more night….Just like a blind man, I wandered along…I was a fool to wander and stray…Praise the Lord, I saw the light!”

Finally!

"Pence says no room in GOP for 'apologists for Putin'"

Hmmm, Pence is JUST the guy we want to be listening to! Gawd, isn't America going down the tube fast enough already? Does Russia have military bases in just about every country on the planet? The U.S. does. Is Russia on the brink of total financial collapse from DEBT due to feeding the war machine before anything else including Human welfare? Does Russia have rusting and collapsing infrastructure, hordes of theocratic automatons (see: Pence), homicidal police inciting crazed gun toters shooting people down in their streets, ever more dumbed down schools so that they have to import talent from China and India just to keep up, an ever widening divide between the haves and the have-nots, a history of mass murder and armed robbery all over the planet, hatred for other races as we have seen recently also in Ukraine, perfidious government liars shouting the most idiotic hypocrisies in our faces and publicly advocating assassination of another country's leaders, and politicians as stupid as m. pence and d. trump on their national stages? No. America has all of that and much worse. There are no "apologists for Putin", just people of character who pay attention to FACTS and NOT the opportunist politicians (see: after CEO, most likely employment of clinical psychopaths) or the manipulations of the obscene racist clique from whence come the owners of Western media . And pence has all of the charisma of that brown mush oozing up around the sole of your shoe when you don't pay attention to where you're walking in NYC...and don't blame the dogs.

Liberals love them some Mike Pence. Today, anyway.

And pence has all of the charisma of that brown mush oozing up around the sole of your shoe when you don't pay attention to where you're walking in NYC...and don't blame the dogs.

There have been too many people listening to and blindly following ‘charismatic’ leaders. Pence is a dimwit but at least he’s mostly harmless in his ineptitude.

Liberals love them some Mike Pence. Today, anyway.

The old my enemy's enemy is my friend, similar to the 'muh Russia' extremists who wouldn't criticize Putin because he's seen by them as anti-Biden, so Putin was their friend, until it became so obvious Putin was a monster. No matter that Biden was an American, but again some of the far right extremists say "I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat", to them their fellow US citizens and US democracy are their enemies, not Putin and his brand of fascism.

Did someone ask Pence why Russia behaved from 2017-2020? Wasn’t because of Pence.

Pence almost looks reasonable.

The man signed Trump out of office, he seems A-ok to me. Would be tough on Putin too, I am sure.

Liberals love them some Mike Pence. Today, anyway.

Haven’t heard them chanting to hang him yet. So they’re one up already.

Mike Pence, DeSantis. Someone who can control Putin. This is ridiculous what America is going through by standing on the sidelines screaming.

Someone who can control Putin?

Trump, obviously. 4 years documented experience and no wars.

Someone who can control Putin? 

Trump, obviously. 4 years documented experience and no wars.

Trump gave Putin what he wanted: a weakened and demoralized NATO, a legitimization of Russia's illiberalism under Putin, and a polarized US where a majority of Republican voters no longer trust the legitimacy of elections or the value of true democracy.

Trump helped soften Ukraine for his master Putin.

“It’s no coincidence that Russia waited until 2022 to invade Ukraine,” Pence said, according to excerpts. “Weakness arouses evil, and the magnitude of evil sweeping across Ukraine speaks volumes about this president.”

Nonsense spoken through another mask is still nonsense, Mr. Pence. You're a charlatan.

To think that Trump would have taken a firmer stance against Putin is just ridiculous.

Former U.S. Vice President Mike Pence urged Republicans to move on from the 2020 election and declared that “there is no room in this party for apologists for Putin” as he further cemented his break from former President Donald Trump.

That is a ridiculous misrepresentation. Trump was and is as strongly (and wrongly) anti-russian as all his detractors. Alas, such misrepresentations are no surprise in the current propaganda war.

"Like most vice presidents in this era, Garner had little to do and little influence on the president's policies. He famously described the vice presidency as being "not worth a bucket of warm p**s" (for many years, this quote was bowdlerized as "warm spit".)

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During Trump's office, Putin was busy upgrading his military and filling his war coffers. He has spent the last two years planning his invasion and war. He lied to Trump too.

So should Putin downgrade and defund his military? Do you expect the same from all political leaders?

As for "planning his invasion", the lack of historical context by many is astonishing.

Putin has made it clear that NATO expansion into the Ukraine is an existential threat to his country, which can not be tolerated. And that is something that every Russian president would have to decide, not just Putin.

And it is not like this is something that just suddenly appeared last month, as CNN et al would like to tell us.

Here is Noam Chomski from 7 years ago explaining exactly the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ni3j1mhU5M

A lot of people have very short and/or selective memories.

Don't know which GOP he's trying to 'move on' from 2020, I thought they all have and trying not to look back.

should Putin downgrade and defund his military? Do you expect the same from all political leaders?

Putin should not invade a neighboring sovereign entity that poses no security threat. Putin has misused Russia's military. Your man Putin is scum.

...no room in GOP for 'apologists for Putin'

but only because the GOP is filled to the gills with shameless apologists for Putin's barking mad lapdog that chewed up the US Constitution.

weakened and demoralized NATO, 

trump told them to strengthen their defenses and pay the 2% GDP for military and not be reliant on Russian energy,

they laughed at him and mocked him. Who is laughing now? No one. You don’t think Zelensky wishes Trump was in charge right now instead of weekday only Joe?

He had 4 years of Trump to do it and didn’t.

this isn’t hypothetical. Trump was President and it didn’t happen.

Happy DayToday  05:50 pm JST

Did someone ask Pence why Russia behaved from 2017-2020? Wasn’t because of Pence.

No, it was because Trump was busy destroying the country and NATO. Putin watched and waited till "the Trump effect" was exhausted then made his move.

Joining the dots may we not see an obvious pattern showing that a little bit of Moscow kompromat was followed by serviceable Russian help to shoe 45 into the Oval Office while the four years of Russian grooming and trolling in favor of Putin against Zelenskiy softened up America in the build up for this so-called "special operation", the long in planning Russian "Civil War" to claw back Ukraine? The GOP have been useful idiots all along and now they dumped their mess on Biden's lap.

how do you explain away Putin started to plan his invasion and war while Trump was the president?

Did he? We didn’t hear a word about this until like 2 months ago. After the Afghanistan debacle Putin became “emboldened”. Even 3 weeks ago it was unclear he was really going to do it or not.

or…..your guy Biden and Nato and Ukraine had 14 months to prepare for this and did nothing.

Putin almost had his wish as Trump almost pulled the US out of NATO. That's what Putin was really hoping for. Once America is out of NATO, all gloves are off for Putin to control all of Europe.

So Mike pence is acceptable as President in 2024?

no way, right? he and “mother” gonna shock the gay out of people, wasn’t it?

Just acceptable today cause you think he criticized Trump.

same lame flip flops when you love Bolton or Pompeo or Graham for a minute or two.

So Mike pence is acceptable as President in 2024?

Hell no, don’t be ridiculous.