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Where is the United Nations and why aren’t they dealing with this illegal Chinese maritime behavior?

14 ( +22 / -8 )

1) The information came from the Chinese, so their account is likely lies.

2) Even if such a collision happened, the root cause is that China is invading the Philippines' waters. The Philippines cannot have "illegally broken into the sea near Ren'ai Reef in China's Nansha Islands" because these waters are not China's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Sea_Arbitration#Award

The fault lies, as ever, with China.

20 ( +25 / -5 )

the world stand together with brave Philippines to fight against the pirates. Unlawfully occupy/steal others people territory is exactly the same behavior of barbaric pirates. Shame on the chicom

14 ( +18 / -4 )

And here's our Filipina 3 letter agency asset. You make Bong Bong happy.

-17 ( +3 / -20 )

Excerpt from G7 Leaders Statement in Apulia:

“We remain seriously concerned about the situation in the East and South China Seas and reiterate our strong opposition to any unilateral attempt to change the status quo by force or coercion.

We continue opposing China’s dangerous use of coast guard and maritime militia in the South China Sea and its repeated obstruction of countries’ high seas freedom of navigation.

We express serious concern about the increasing use of dangerous maneuvers and water cannons against Philippine vessels. In this regard,

we reaffirm that there is no legal basis for China’s expansive maritime claims in the South China Sea, and

we oppose China’s militarization, and coercive and intimidation activities in the South China Sea.

13 ( +17 / -4 )

No surprise there.

We all knew it would come to this

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MarkToday  12:57 pm JST

Excerpt from G7 Leaders Statement in Apulia:

“We remain seriously concerned about the situation in the East and South China Seas and reiterate our strong opposition to any unilateral attempt to change the status quo by force or coercion.

We continue opposing China’s dangerous use of coast guard and maritime militia in the South China Sea and its repeated obstruction of countries’ high seas freedom of navigation.

We express serious concern about the increasing use of dangerous maneuvers and water cannons against Philippine vessels. In this regard,

we reaffirm that there is no legal basis for China’s expansive maritime claims in the South China Sea, and

we oppose China’s militarization, and coercive and intimidation activities in the South China Sea.

Blah blah blah.

China needs to get their kit together and quit fooling around. Taiwan does not belong to them, yet there's been so many 'Strait crises' with the US Navy since at least the 50's. And the US Navy has a presence in the PI too, or at least when I was in.

Nonetheless. the US Navy is predominant in the region and it won't take any crap from the CCP, even though they're pushing things a bit here.

11 ( +13 / -2 )

Under what authority? It's ironic that many of these G7 countries maintain overseas territories around the globe. The South China Sea is China's backyard.

we reaffirm that there is no legal basis for China’s expansive maritime claims in the South China Sea

-17 ( +3 / -20 )

Once again, China is causing trouble and picking fights hundreds of miles from the nearest Chinese territory.

China will continue until the world acts, and that action should begin in the UN. The general assembly should begin bringing pressure on China for its acts of violence and piracy in international waters and in other nations EEZ's.

Allies of the Philippines should escort supply missions until China backs off.

8 ( +12 / -4 )

The South China Sea is China's backyard.

Did you look at the map, DeanzaZZR? Looks like closer to Philippines', Vietnam's and others' backyards than China's. There is zero basis for calling it China's backyard, neither geographically nor historically. China just decided it would bully these smaller countries just as soon as it could. No subtlety, no wisdom, same as ever with China.

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deanzaZZRToday 01:18 pm JST

Under what authority?

UNCLOS.

You know, that pesky thing that China ratified because it likes to pretend it's a "responsible member of the international community?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea

9 ( +11 / -2 )

It’s time to go to WAR with China, stop the bully.

11 ( +12 / -1 )

The Philippines should go ancient greek style and put things on their boats that will really leave an impression on the invaders.

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BigPToday 12:43 pm JST

Where is the United Nations and why aren’t they dealing with this illegal Chinese maritime behavior?

The UN has never dealt with thug regimes but asking where the US is is a valid question.

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deanzaZZRToday 01:18 pm JST

Under what authority? It's ironic that many of these G7 countries maintain overseas territories around the globe. The South China Sea is China's backyard.

Not on other country's territory and not on illegally built up islands. You were told to gtfo:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Sea_Arbitration

5 ( +9 / -4 )

Important to observe, as the map at top of article indicates, that Taiwan also claims the Spratly Islands (of which the Second Thomas Shoal, mentioned in the article, is a part).

How odd. What a coincidence. Their claims are basically identical.

Maybe China has a point after all.

-21 ( +2 / -23 )

Beijing claims almost the entirety of the South China Sea, brushing aside competing claims from several Southeast Asian nations including the Philippines and an international ruling that its stance has no legal basis.

Takes ballz to do that.

5 ( +7 / -2 )

Important to observe, as the map at top of article indicates, that Taiwan also claims the Spratly Islands (of which the Second Thomas Shoal, mentioned in the article, is a part).

How odd. What a coincidence. Their claims are basically identical.

Maybe China has a point after all.

Looking at the map that accompanies the article the absurdity of any Chinese claim on Second Thomas Shoal is obvious. Second Thomas Shoal is within the Philippines EEZ immediately off the coast of Palawan and nowhere even remotely close to the legal 200 nautical mile EEZ off the coast of China. Neither China nor Taiwan have any legitimate claim to Second Thomas Shoals. They clearly lie far outside any reasonable EEZ claim PRC or ROC can make.

7 ( +11 / -4 )

When a member of the UN Security Council declares that a UN Security Council resolution is non-binding.

UNCLOS LOL

I have been consistent in saying that China's claims seem excessive. Enter the Republic of China planting a flag on the largest of the SCS islands Taiping Island off the shore of Palawan in 1946. That complicates matters.

-13 ( +2 / -15 )

JJEToday 02:33 pm JST

Important to observe, as the map at top of article indicates, that Taiwan also claims the Spratly Islands

deanzaZZRToday 03:03 pm JST

Enter the Republic of China planting a flag on the largest of the SCS islands

Does not change the UNCLOS ruling.

Plus, Taiwan is not ramming Philippine ships and firing water cannons at them.

deanzaZZRToday 03:03 pm JST

China's claims seem excessive.

China's claims are completely unlawful, as confirmed by the UNCLOS ruling.

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JJEToday 02:33 pm JST

Important to observe, as the map at top of article indicates, that Taiwan also claims the Spratly Islands (of which the Second Thomas Shoal, mentioned in the article, is a part).

How odd. What a coincidence. Their claims are basically identical.

Maybe China has a point after all.

Important to observe that that is just the canard you trot out to defend the indefensible. The PRC claims to be independent from Taiwan.

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deanzaZZRToday 03:03 pm JST

I have been consistent in saying that China's claims seem excessive. Enter the Republic of China planting a flag on the largest of the SCS islands Taiping Island off the shore of Palawan in 1946. That complicates matters.

It's not Taiwan trying to watercannon other ships out of the water.

8 ( +10 / -2 )

So, it's a fair and accurate observation to say Taipei also supports the Nine-Dash-Line.

There is a very big misimpression that Taiwan does not have water cannons mounted on maritime vessels and/or they have never been actively deployed.

Same can be said for Japan.

-17 ( +1 / -18 )

@isabelle: Plus, Taiwan is not ramming Philippine ships and firing water cannons at them.

I agree, it's the CCP being the bloody aggressors,, the Taiwanese peoples though many have ethnic Chinese roots do not seem to subscribe to the CCP's myths and beliefs in notions like Tianxia, which gives Chinese rights to all the planet. Xi and his CCP lackeys do not seem to be able to tolerate a world where they're not the absoluteoverlords, they live in a world built on myths. Scary to think the Chinese have nukes and running lapdog nations like Russia, Iran and North Korea ever ready to use military force. Whatwill be interesting, perhaps scary, to watch is how ultranationalist nations like North Korea, Russia and Iran react as the CCP try to extract more from them in the CCP's quest to become planetary masters.

Tianxia, literally 'under Heaven', is a Chinese term for a historical Chinese cultural concept that denoted either the entire geographical world or the metaphysical realm of mortals, and later became associated with political sovereignty. In ancient China and imperial China, tianxia denoted the lands, space, and area divinely appointed to the Chinese sovereign by universal and well-defined principles of order

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JJEToday 04:11 pm JST

So, it's a fair and accurate observation to say Taipei also supports the Nine-Dash-Line.

There is a very big misimpression that Taiwan does not have water cannons mounted on maritime vessels and/or they have never been actively deployed.

Same can be said for Japan.

Not at the Second Thomas Shoal they don't. Acknowledge your lawless Peking masters.

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JJEToday 04:11 pm JST

So, it's a fair and accurate observation to say Taipei also supports the Nine-Dash-Line.

Just like with the question of independence, it can never be asked because of the 1.4 billion pound gorilla. But the canard will make its appearance here and be shot down as many times as it needs to.

12 ( +13 / -1 )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Thomas_Shoal

Second Thomas Shoal is claimed by China, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.

-18 ( +0 / -18 )

More shocking behaviour by the CCP, bullying a small, poor neighbor and endangering Filipino lives. All in the name of illegal territorial expansion.

Don't worry, Philippines: the free, democratic nations in the region are with you. If China is allowed to get away with stealing parts of the sovereign Philippines, next they are coming for Okinawa and Taiwan.

8 ( +10 / -2 )

Piracy laws apply. Xi will be hanged if this escalates much further.

6 ( +7 / -1 )

What is the UN for when this bullying and shocking tactics employed by China is happening right in front of our eyes? No actions means China is getting away scot free. Time for serious action on China by all democratics law abiding countries. Show China the true consequences of playing with fire.

6 ( +6 / -0 )

So what's the US planning to do?

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

An International Court has already ruled in favor of the PI and that China's 9-desh line claim is not valid. But China doesn't abide by the rule of law and continues to push it's unilateral claims throuh bullying. China is a rogue nation and needs to be treated as such by the whole world.

6 ( +6 / -0 )

Give the Philippines a few bigger boats for these resupply missions.

5 ( +5 / -0 )

BigP

Today 12:43 pm JST

Where is the United Nations and why aren’t they dealing with this illegal Chinese maritime behavior?

Since China (like the US, UK, France, and Russia) are veto members of the UN Security Council, they are all effectively above the law. Even if the vast majority of the world (UN general assembly) wants to do anything, just one of those countries above can veto the whole world...and there is no way to override that veto.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

What a deplorable country China is. No friends, only customers.

2 ( +4 / -2 )

The Filippinos need to realize USA is not the ally they think they are. Reports are now coming out USA were spreading wild rumours that Chinese covid vaccines were tainted in some way. China was about to send supplies, but because of USA, they didn't get them, and people dropped like flies in the Philippines. USA were also behind rumours that Chinese vaccines had pork extract in a bid to put Muslims off. The more you read these reports, the more disgusted you feel.

It's no secret Bongbong Marcus (who received a red carpet treatment in Beijing before he stabbed them in the back) has all his family loot in America and won't get to see a penny should he not obey American orders.

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

US Navy is predominant in the region and it won't take any crap from the CCP, even though they're pushing things a bit here

So what happened to the USS Connecticut? Return tail between leg.

-6 ( +1 / -7 )

The Shoal lies about 200 kilometers from the western Philippine island of Palawan and more than 1,000 kilometers from China's nearest major landmass, Hainan island.

Don't the Chinese know simple arithmetic? This is no dumber, the islands are within the Philippine jurisdiction. 200 kms is lesser than 1,000 kms, as simple as that!

1 ( +2 / -1 )

Superpowers do whatever they want and claim whatever they want. Has little to do with arithmetic.

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

I'd be first in line to sign up for a WAR with China. The Bully ("China's" CCP) needs at least a proverbial "bloodied nose" now, rather than later.

We don't need China Economically - a lot of the stuff it's producing is dangerous or of poor quality or infected with CCP backdoors....exploding eBikes / power adapters, Computer products preloaded with spyware, backdoored "security products", etc. the list goes on.

As for Australia's moves of "appeasement" towards China... Chinese Panda's are best left in their Natural environment, rather than in Zoo's around the World - once the CCP has gone, we can go visit them there, and bring great rewards of Tourism to the Chinese peoples.

So a WAR with China would not, bring the World to a standstill, infact, if might actually cause People within China to wake up and support a War against their oppressive regime - "The CCP", ridding the shackles that currently prevent them from doing well for their Families - under Xi, any Corporate Leader who seems to being too well, is arrested and disappears, look at Jack Ma, as a high profile example of that.

Militarily, China would be easier to defeat than Russia, particularly when the good folks back home see what actual WAR means and see their loved ones coming back in body bags (if at all - the CCP probably won't tell them). Russia sought China as an Ally, though at present is the underdog in that relationship, and I think they know it. Russia also has a lot to gain with once again seeking it's more Natural relationship with the rest of the World, rather than seeking unnatural alliances with the likes of Iran - ideologically quite different, North Korea - and China - both completely culturally different from that in Moscow.

Remove the Chief Bully, and see how the others react.

2 ( +4 / -2 )

What are the chances that china is at fault? Let me do some quick math here. Let's see, carry the four, then... OK, got it. The chances are 100%.

4 ( +6 / -2 )

Superpowers do whatever they want and claim whatever they want.

Very true. Which is why the US freely sails through the Taiwan Strait despite it being claimed as Chinese territorial waters.

4 ( +6 / -2 )

So a WAR with China would not, bring the World to a standstill, infact, if might actually cause People within China to wake up and support a War against their oppressive regime - "The CCP"

You couldn’t be more wrong. There will not be a war. China knows what the U.S. is trying to do. Won’t give the US the pleasure.

Even if there is a war, the people will be galvanized against the West not your wishful thinking of overthrowing the elected leader a of the CPC.

https://youtu.be/OPOjgdQiInQ?si=IejHckqb40XY1-0k

Scott Ritter tells the Filipinos to wake up and not be used to fight as a proxy against China

-6 ( +1 / -7 )

LMFAO!!!! Everyone here knows if the Chinese says something think the opposite. One would want to think if China knows anything about professionalism all of that goes out with the dirty water.

The Chinese coast guard said in a statement Monday that a Philippine resupply ship in the area had "ignored many solemn warnings from the Chinese side".

*It "approached the... Chinese vessel in an unprofessional way, **resulting in a collision", the statement said.*

2 ( +3 / -1 )

Every time I see that bogus Chinese water claims, I chuckle a little. Nobody is really THAT stupid as to believe the surrounding countries would agree. They've lost in international trials concerning it, but because they didn't win, they ignore it.

The gall of the Chinese is huge. 1000 kms away from Chinese land is a long way to make any claim. They think rules don't apply to them like everyone else. The rules have been set for a long time. I've seen Chinese individuals believe the rules didn't apply to them on international flights. It was funny watching the flight crew physically restrain a member of a Chinese tour group, then see the police take him from the aircraft.

I have ZERO doubt that China caused the entire issue. None. They have a history of unprofessional actions in the area both on the sea and in the air.

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quercetumJune 17 09:22 pm JST

Superpowers do whatever they want and claim whatever they want. Has little to do with arithmetic.

So then we won't hear anything from you about the US not following "rule of law". Good to know.

There will not be a war. China knows what the U.S. is trying to do. Won’t give the US the pleasure.

You keep saying that but the losers in Peking sure want to go to the brink.

Scott Ritter tells the Filipinos to wake up and not be used to fight as a proxy against China

Ah, yes, the pedophile has something to say and we are expected to listen for some reason.

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Pukey2June 17 08:33 pm JST

The Filippinos need to realize USA is not the ally they think they are. Reports are now coming out USA were spreading wild rumours that Chinese covid vaccines were tainted in some way. China was about to send supplies, but because of USA, they didn't get them, and people dropped like flies in the Philippines. USA were also behind rumours that Chinese vaccines had pork extract in a bid to put Muslims off. The more you read these reports, the more disgusted you feel.

Even Chinese water is undrinkable. What do you think their vaccine would do to you?

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taiwan:

Throwing allies under the bus or using them as collateral damage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7p3SovWjNA

Who's going to be USA's next Ukraine? The Phillipines? Taiwan? Japan?

quercetum:

Scott Ritter tells the Filipinos to wake up and not be used to fight as a proxy against China

You probably know this already, but Scott had his passport confiscated with no explanation. We know why.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

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