2 shot at Oklahoma restaurant; armed civilian kills gunman

This seems a bit strange. From the information in the article it seems he was actually targeting the woman and girl. He was then shot dead outside the restaurant in the car park, which means he fled after shooting them.

I also have an issue with the assailant being shot dead by an armed bystander. The 2nd amendment clearly states they have the right to carry arms for self defense, but it would seem as though the original shooter was fleeing and did not challenge the guy that shot him dead.

A good guy with a gun stops a bad guy. Again.

How about arrest him, or shhot his foot？

I also have an issue with the assailant being shot dead by an armed bystander. The 2nd amendment clearly states they have the right to carry arms for self defense, but it would seem as though the original shooter was fleeing

I would have no problem with gunning down a man who just shot a 12 year old girl and her mother in front of me. Why not? And how many more might he have killed after fleeing?

A good guy with a gun stops a bad guy. Again.

The wild west laws? As in, no laws?

I also have an issue with the assailant being shot dead by an armed bystander. The 2nd amendment clearly states they have the right to carry arms for self defense, but it would seem as though the original shooter was fleeing and did not challenge the guy that shot him dead.

There may be a murder charge coming, which the guy could plead down to manslaughter for an emotional decision. A defense of self-defense for killing someone would apply even if he was defending the life of someone else, but it doesn't work if the guy was fleeing.

I would have no problem with gunning down a man who just shot a 12 year old girl and her mother in front of me. Why not? And how many more might he have killed after fleeing?

It doesn't that the armed civvy was chasing the gunman from the restaurant, just says he shot the fleeing assailant in the car park.

This doesn't change my opposition to civvies carrying guns... this could so easily have ended in a firefight with innocent bystanders being killed in the crossfire. Call him a 'hero' if you like, but as Do The Hustle says, this chap didn't fire in self defence.

Well done to this man! He's a life saver. See? There good things that come from gun ownership

Lake Hefner??  Who knew??

And yes arm everybody and let them sort themselves out.

can’t wait to see how many different excuses liberals will make for why a guy who shot a woman and child should have been just been allowed to run away unimpeded.

The whole situation is messed up in the first place - guns all over the place.

But if I were the guy with the gun, I probably would have shot him as well.

Blacklabel: "can’t wait to see how many different excuses liberals will make for why a guy who shot a woman and child should have been just been allowed to run away unimpeded."

He shouldn't have had the gun(s) in the first place. Then the second wouldn't have needed one to shoot the first. Fortunately a third didn't mistake what the second was doing and shoot him, then get shot, and so on.

Just another day in 'Merika, folks.

And the chicken-egg discussion goes on and on and on in a divided nation :)

can’t wait to see how many different excuses liberals will make for why a guy who shot a woman and child should have been just been allowed to run away unimpeded.

Umm, the law, which is not a liberal creation.

Liberal, the dark art of branding.

But if I were the guy with the gun, I probably would have shot him as well.

I would probably have shot him too, and I've been trained to shoot to kill (not wound). Why wound when the guy might still be able to shoot back. That is why I don't want to carry a gun. I don't want to be caught in that situation and sent to jail for killing someone who may have deserved it. I also left war zones a long time ago and don't want to return unless it comes to me.

goodlucktoyou, from your post Im certain you have no experience with guns.

Gun to confront gun, to be resolved by gun. Again from that country, SOTG!

Those experienced with guns, like myself, know it takes nerves of steel to deliver a non-kill shot. There aren't that many targets that can guarantee the target won't get a kill shot.

In the heat of the moment self preservation and the preservation of non-combatants is all one thinks about

Thunderbird2, the armed civilian shot and killed an murderer escaping one murder scene and for all we know, on his way to another.

IME, many people carrying firearms in public are ex-military or ex-cops. We don't know about this man from the article above. The 2nd man might have seen and heard everything. We don't know. He had the means to stop a crazy person and did. That's what matters. He won't be charged because there are 100+ witnesses.

NO offense meant, but from the vast majority of posts here its clear that most posters have no experience of real world situations involving firearms. And yet they are so confident they are right.

Excellent observation by Do the hustle.

Completely unlikely event, but what if there was another armed person who sees someone shooting a fleeing person and shoots shooter 2 in defense of shooter 1? Self defense still applies?

The only end to this madness is removing guns from all starting with shooter 1, anyway

A good guy with a gun stops a bad guy. Again.

Yeah, this happens much more than people realize. What is really surprising is that this shows up in the MSM.

Anyway, banning guns would have disarmed the good guy, while having little effect on the the bad guy.

If the US had reasonable gun laws the bad guy would not have had a gun to shoot anyone.

Underscore this. Guns are luxury items. Strict controls on firearms would have lives and not disturb anyone who is not using them for some utilitarian purpose.

America has regressed all the way back to the Wild West days. Best not to go there, certainly DO NOT send your child there.

The NRA is a cult, and a very dangerous one at that. There "solution" is always more and more guns. Their position is clear. It's now time for every sane American to respond with an equally clear rebuttal:

Ban all automatic weapons. Ban the now.

I would have no problem with gunning down a man who just shot a 12 year old girl and her mother in front of me. Why not? 

Hold on there Rambo. Anyone who knows anything about guns knows it is anything but 'no problem" hitting your target when your target can shoot back and hit you.

You are one big tough hombre. Sad.

And the chicken-egg discussion goes on and on and on in a divided nation :)

Nation is the key word. The rest of the civilized world is pretty clear on the matter.

There may be a murder charge coming, which the guy could plead down to manslaughter for an emotional decision. A defense of self-defense for killing someone would apply even if he was defending the life of someone else, but it doesn't work if the guy was fleeing.

No, it depends, given the surrounding circumstances of multiple people around, the guy had every right to save the lives of others and to neutralize the attacker fleeing or not, he used proper and necessary force. That guy will not spend one day in jail. When you shoot at a dangerous individual you always shoot center mass to make sure the assailant is down out of commission or no longer a threat. I would have shot him in a heartbeat if I were in the same situation. The guy did the right thing.

This seems a bit strange. From the information in the article it seems he was actually targeting the woman and girl. He was then shot dead outside the restaurant in the car park, which means he fled after shooting them.

But fleeing to where ? Reload or get another gun ? On the way to another restaurant ? This isn't the police or part time security that have the training and resources to chase down suspects without resorting to force. Anyone that doesn't want to take the chance of being shot should think twice before doing it themselves.

Guns protect lives! That armed civilian is a hero! Everyone should follow such a decent person's heroic deed!

Read a BBC article:

There were 2 men that saw what was happening, returned to their vehicles to get firearms and shot the assailant. Neither knew each other. Lots of witnesses. Police called both heroes.

The initial shooter was a security guard with training in firearms. He appears to have been mentally unstable based on youtube rants. Something about squirrels and a fridge out to get him. He knew something was wrong with himself and asked for a friend or family member to help ... in the videos. Another crazy guy.