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Gosh, if only there was something we could do to mitigate these shootings by our well-regulated militia.

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There have been something like 40 plus "mass-shootings" (defined as 4 or more victims in one incident) over the course of the last month or so, in the US.

And people there wonder why I live here?

People in the states do not care enough to do anything about it.

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How bad it has to get to consider 3 lethal victims and 2 injured ones "not so bad" in comparison...

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But wait. Didn't they send thoughts and prayers after the last one? That's supposed to prevent these from happening, right?

And where was the good drunk college kid with a gun to stop it?

Seriously. It must suck to live in a country in which, whenever you enter a bar or a tavern, you don't know if you're going to come out alive.

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The violence and the number of events have increased. America is the most violent country in the first world. No one really seems to care enough to demand changes.

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the shooter must have forgotten the law in Wisconsin that says you cant take a gun into a tavern.

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No one really seems to care enough to demand changes.

A lot of people have been warning the country about the problem of single parent families that has led to the breakdown in America’s culture and social cohesion but no one is listening.

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Americans and their guns... sad. They insist it’s their right to hold to protect themselves but can’t see the only reason they “need” guns is because there are too many of them.

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Now only if the patrons of the tavern would have been armed with bazookas and rocket launchers, this tragedy could have been avoided.

thoughts and prayers, of course

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Shooting again and again. Psychopaths/racists shoot innocent people and police shoot a little boy. What a crazy society there? America is no doubt cursed by guns.

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So, how many in this past one week period? Seems to me to be far more than daily these days. You gotta wonder why other countries, without the guns, don't have mass shootings on a daily basis... well, if you're American.

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Now only if the patrons of the tavern would have been armed with bazookas and rocket launchers, this tragedy could have been avoided.

Would you attack a place protected by bazookas and rocket launchers?

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One has to ask, is there a DNA problem?

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Odd that nobody has seriously tried to claim that this wouldn’t have happened or been as bad if there had been a “good guy with a gun” nonsense.

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The violence and the number of events have increased. America is the most violent country in the first world. No one really seems to care enough to demand changes.

They do, they just don't want the Democrats to mess with the 2nd amendment. Enforce the laws already on the books, increase police presence, give MORE funding to the police, come up with other various methods when taking down a suspect. Push Democrat leaders to clean their streets and arrest anyone that sells or buys a stolen firearm with the serial number filed off, have a ZERO tolerance policy towards gangs and underage children roaming the streets at night. Do that and I am sure the gun problem and violence will slow down.

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Odd that nobody has seriously tried to claim that this wouldn’t have happened or been as bad if there had been a “good guy with a gun” nonsense.

law abiding gun owners would know that you cant open carry in a bar in wisconsin and you can only concealed carry if your not drinking. who's not drinking in a bar at 1 am? criminals dont obey laws.

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law abiding gun owners would know that you cant open carry in a bar in wisconsin and you can only concealed carry if your not drinking. who's not drinking in a bar at 1 am? criminals dont obey laws.

This does nothing to make the good guy with a gun myth true.

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This does nothing to make the good guy with a gun myth true.

doesn't make it a myth either. ask Stephen Willeford. it does show that all the gun laws in the world wont stop gun violence.

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What a sick third world happy trigger country..

I love my safe, shooting free, civilized JAPAN !!..

They do, they just don't want the Democrats to mess with the 2nd amendment. Enforce the laws already on the books, increase police presence, give MORE funding to the police, come up with other various methods when taking down a suspect. Push Democrat leaders to clean their streets and arrest anyone that sells or buys a stolen firearm with the serial number filed off, have a ZERO tolerance policy towards gangs and underage children roaming the streets at night. Do that and I am sure the gun problem and violence will slow down.

The republicans washing their hands as they are not part of the problem.. Pathetic.. lol!!

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If we were able to carry guns legally in any place I lived in , I would be carrying a gun, you can count on that.

And just because it is illegal doesnt mean the other guy isnt carrying a gun, wake up numb skulls.

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You not carrying a gun doesnt make the world safer.

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What a sick third world happy trigger country..

Not the majority of it, but some of the largest cities, more so.

The republicans washing their hands as they are not part of the problem.. Pathetic.. lol!!

No. they are not as the majority of gun violence happens in the bluest of States and the Democrats are doing a thing to bring their State and the people that voted for them under control

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No. they are not as the majority of gun violence happens in the bluest of States

Absolutely false:

The rate of gun fatalities varies widely from state to state. In 2017, the states with the highest rates of gun-related deaths – counting murders, suicides and all other categories tracked by the CDC – were Alaska (24.5 per 100,000 people), Alabama (22.9), Montana (22.5), Louisiana (21.7), Missouri and Mississippi (both 21.5), and Arkansas (20.3). The states with the lowest rates were New Jersey (5.3 per 100,000 people), Connecticut (5.1), Rhode Island (3.9), New York and Massachusetts (both 3.7), and Hawaii (2.5).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/%3famp=1

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First off, the majority of the American public does want something done about this, but between the politicized courts and both political parties having convinced themselves that if they offend a small but vocal special interest group, they'll lose at least 2 elections, which will give the other party enough time to bake in enough rigging and talking points they'll spend their next win undoing that rather than working on baking in their own, it doesn't matter which of the two they are forced to pick from, nothing really gets done.

And the irony is that the 'freedom' that the screamers say would be 'lost forever' if the government did act on the gun problem means the freedom to be searched again and again by private 'security guards' if you want to do a lot of things, like go to an amusement park, attend a sporting event, etc

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Wisconsin gun laws are very lacking.

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Our hearts pour out to the victims. This truly is international story!

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Wisconsin gun laws are very lacking.

They also have a lower murder rate than Chicago, Baltimore, and Philly. All 3 are way out of control when it comes to gun violence and overall crime.

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Enforce the laws already on the books, 

And when there are few laws on the books like in Wisconsin?

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And when there are few laws on the books like in Wisconsin?

Well, they are overwhelming, can't say the same for Chicago

https://www.gunstocarry.com/gun-laws-state/wisconsin-gun-laws/

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doesn't make it a myth either. ask Stephen Willeford. it does show that all the gun laws in the world wont stop gun violence.

You mean the very well trained Stephen Willeford?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texasmonthly.com/articles/stephen-willeford-sutherland-springs-mass-murder/amp/

You constantly use examples of people with extensive firearms training that stopped shootings, and then assume everyone with a firearm has the same amount of training or experience.

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They also have a lower murder rate than Chicago, Baltimore, and Philly. 

Which aren’t islands so firearms flow in from gun nutter states.

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No one really seems to care enough to demand changes.

They do, they just don't want the Democrats to mess with the 2nd amendment.

So...people want changes, so long as there are no real changes?

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This year 150 mass shooting. 188 death. 579 injured.

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Are they trying to make for a lack of shootings last year or something?

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FuzzyToday  09:22 pm JST

Americans and their guns... sad. They insist it’s their right to hold to protect themselves but can’t see the only reason they “need” guns is because there are too many of them.

Guns are the gods of America. And this is largely due to ignorance, hate, misinformation, lies of the past 30+ years and the shrieking hysterical GREED of the head of the NRA, Wayne LaPierre. Thanks largely to him and his greed the NRA no longer protects the 2nd Amendment but is now a terrorist organization.

And as for the 2nd Amendment mentioning 'militia', that later became what we know as the 'US Army' which these terrorist 'militia' Army-wannabe scum are not man enough to join. And we all have seen their true colors recently. It was this time last year those oafs started harassing Statehouses.

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What another? So soon after the last one? Can't be the guns, must be something else... Could be the vast variety of breakfast cereals? Not the guns... Until the next one.. Zzzzzz

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Don’t complain. You simply have forgotten how that was managed in the old times like the Wild West with its gold rush and a lot more of crazy and gun equipped people. You had to lay off everything at the entrance, sometimes even already when entering city limits. There were some incidents, of course, nothing is 100% secure, but in general it wasn’t as bloody as pictured in the movies, although more violent, wild, crazy and stupid than nowadays. No, in contrary, it was quite peaceful, otherwise you couldn’t have been born and exist now, many many decades later.

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You mean the very well trained Stephen Willeford?

You have one individual to the uncountable number of gangs and violence in the urban cities, that's a losing argument all day, now I will submit to you all gun violence is bad for the record, not trying to minimize it, but this incident as tragic as they all are doesn't change the fact that the gun violence in the US happen in mostly minority communities that are run by Democrats and for over 60 years what do we hear? Absolutely nothing. But someone white guy in Wisconsin goes nuts, it's a problem for the nation, give me a break. The stats completely disagree with you

You constantly use examples of people with extensive firearms training that stopped shootings, and then assume everyone with a firearm has the same amount of training or experience.

I never said that, but the MAJORITY do, that is what I am talking about, stop assuming, it makes the left look even worse then they already do on this issue.

Which aren’t islands so firearms flow in from gun nutter states.

Then 1. They shouldn't steal them

and 2. Why won't Chicago tackle their gang problem?

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"...the shooting appeared to be a “targeted and isolated incident,” and authorities don't believe the general public is in danger..." That's what the authorities say about every mass shooting in the US - and the general public is always in danger of armed lunatics.

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You constantly use examples of people with extensive firearms training that stopped shootings, and then assume everyone with a firearm has the same amount of training or experience.

So? You keep saying there are no good guys with guns. i give examples proving you wrong.

bad guys shouldnt have guns. since the horse has already bolted on that, seeing as gun control doesn't work, people need guns to defend themselves. btw deaths in mass shootings make up a tiny percentage of gun deaths in America. there are countless examples of untrained people, kids even, defending themselves with guns.

heres a couple. https://www.heritage.org/firearms/commentary/these-11-examples-defensive-gun-use-undermine-push-more-gun-control

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And as for the 2nd Amendment mentioning 'militia', that later became what we know as the 'US Army' which these terrorist 'militia'

No one in their right mind or any Constitutionalist would even contemplate addressing that ludicrous statement

Army-wannabe scum are not man enough to join. And we all have seen their true colors recently. It was this time last year those oafs started harassing Statehouses.

What does that even mean?

NRA no longer protects the 2nd Amendment but is now a terrorist organization.

What a bunch of Bologna! We do exactly that. If we didn't. the 2nd amendment would have been gone for a while now. The real terrorists are the ones that want to punish law-abiding citizens by telling them what they can or cannot have and how to use it, they absolutely don't have that right. And the other reason why the 2nd amendment exists is that you have millions of liberals that are gun holders and although less vocal (for obvious reasons) they fight as well to make sure our 2nd amendment is upheld. I will say it again, this admin is setting itself up to be a one-term admin if it continues on this disastrous political trajectory.

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And as for the 2nd Amendment mentioning 'militia', that later became what we know as the 'US Army'

Nope. That militia became the National guard. in truth, the militia is "every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the State Defense Forces, National Guard, or Naval Militia."

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A lot of discussion here about gun ownership. Nobody is forcing you to bear arms. By all means, keep your homes gun-free. Be a good citizen! :)

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More dysfunction in blue America. When will the Democrats wake up to the horror they have created in America. The vast majority (though not all) of shootings and shooting deaths occur in Progressive run places. Why? What is so different between Leftist run municipalities and others that result in so much carnage? The governing philosophy of the Left destroys families, estranges individuals from their communities and pits them against one another. Instead of emphasizing commonalities they stress differences based on every social fault line, race, sex, religion, class, education level, etc. Unless the Left changes course and turns away from emphasizing enmity towards unity - there is no policy that can save the dissolution of their cities into chaos and crime. The riots and chaos in blue cities has been going on for 60 years. At what point will they decide to stop beating their heads against the wall and turn away from failure?

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According to 2018 data from the National Center for Health Statistics, Mississippi led the nation in terms of the number of homicides per 100,000 residents at 13.4. Seven of the top 10 states in 2018 in terms of highest homicide rates were red states. The top five were Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri and New Mexico. New Mexico would be considered the only blue state in that group.

https://mississippitoday.org/2020/10/04/trump-says-blue-states-have-the-most-crime-mississippi-has-the-nations-highest-murder-rate/

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They also have a lower murder rate than Chicago, Baltimore, and Philly. All 3 are way out of control when it comes to gun violence and overall crime.

Those are real cities. If you're going to compare states you're better off comparing Wisconsin to Iowa.

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This does nothing to make the good guy with a gun myth true.

And it doesn't disprove it either.

It isn't a myth. Want some examples?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutherland_Springs_church_shooting

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2018/04/30/that-time-the-cdc-asked-about-defensive-gun-uses/ There are more.

Wouldn't want to bore you with links to good people with firearms breaking up criminal activities.

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According to 2018 data from the National Center for Health Statistics, Mississippi led the nation in terms of the number of homicides per 100,000 residents at 13.4. Seven of the top 10 states in 2018 in terms of highest homicide rates were red states. The top five were Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri and New Mexico. New Mexico would be considered the only blue state in that group.

Ok, so now let's look at the actual police stats.

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/blog/top100dangerous

1. Detroit, MI

Violent Crime Rate (per 1,000 residents): 19.5

Your chance of being a victim: 1 in 51

2. St. Louis, MO

Violent Crime Rate (per 1,000 residents): 19.2

Chance of being a victim: 1 in 51

3. Memphis, TN

Violent Crime Rate (per 1,000 residents): 19.0

Chance of being a victim: 1 in 52

4. Baltimore, MD

Violent Crime Rate (per 1,000 residents): 19.0

Chance of being a victim: 1 in 53

Detroit almost always leads the charts in one of the most violent cities as well as Baltimore, St. Louis is not that far behind as well as Memphis.

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Funny how just across the lake from the US, Toronto Ontario has all of those, but somehow nowhere near the amount of mass shootings.

Not really when you factor in that the US has over 320 million, is more racially diverse, more cultural and ethnic tensions and Canada has about 38 million, that's not a lot of people for such a big country. Canada also doesn't have the 2nd amendment like we do. so it's not surprising because the culture, history, background are all different, so you really can't compare the two countries on a multitude of reasons.

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bass4funk

You question and dismiss the National Center for Health Statistics and try to tell us the figures on a blog are more accurate.

The National Center for Health Statistics is a principal agency of the U.S. Federal Statistical System, which provides statistical information to guide actions and policies to improve the public health of the American people.  Founded in 1960.

The NeighborhoodScout, a real estate blog. Database of hyper-local real estate data available today. The platform is owned and operated by Location, Inc., builders of location-based Big Data and intelligence for the Fortune 1000 and beyond.

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@zichi: According to 2018 data from the National Center for Health Statistics, Mississippi led the nation in terms of the number of homicides per 100,000 residents at 13.4.

That’s good information but it’s not on point. The problem is that the places in the state of Mississippi that have the highest homicide rates are run by Progressives. Jackson has the highest homicide rate in the state and has been has by Democrats for quite a while. I appreciate your assistance in making my point. It doesn’t help to divert attention to hide the realities of a problem.

I’m not saying that there are no violent cities in the US run by Republicans. But the reality is that the vast majority are run by Democrats under Progressive policies. Just look at New York City as a perfect example of the differences in results between the policies of the Left and Right. NYC has been regressing badly since Progressives regained control.

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You question and dismiss the National Center for Health Statistics and try to tell us the figures on a blog are more accurate.

Those that are taken directly from FBI stats, yes.

The National Center for Health Statistics is a principal agency of the U.S. Federal Statistical System, which provides statistical information to guide actions and policies to improve the public health of the American people.  Founded in 1960.

On this, I trust the FBI stats, especially on this issue.

I’m not saying that there are no violent cities in the US run by Republicans. But the reality is that the vast majority are run by Democrats under Progressive policies. Just look at New York City as a perfect example of the differences in results between the policies of the Left and Right. NYC has been regressing badly since Progressives regained control.

Exactly, 1105 agreed.

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47 mass shootings in the past month. Gun violence is out of control.

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As long as your shooting each other the rest of the world is safer.

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Texas is working on the ultimate solution to the gun control debate: No controls whatsoever. A new bill is in the Tajas legislature dispensing with all controls on whom, when, and where a weapon (gun) may be carried(!). Texas has always been America's strongest contender among our states for "How conscienceless and nonthinking can we be?" so not much surprise here. FREEDOM to express those fulminating impulses whenever they occur and at the very moment they arise! That's the Texas way! Have the TOOLS available when you need them!!

Imagine yourself an American watching YOUR country slowly shatter and collapse into the dust and rocks of conservative insanity, eroded away by conservative 'education' policy until even the intelligent look up to idiocy. It's a sad time in America but no sadder than the last 125 years of slaughter and atrocity which America, MY country, has brought to the World. I guess America has finally become 'WOKE' to Pogo's famous observation so long ago, the ENEMY really is US! And we're proving it everyday across America. We hate ourselves...and it's probably time WE realized that...even if we can't do anything about it.

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The theory, that a good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy with a gun, breaks down in real life because a good guy with a gun can't react fast enough since the bad guy has the element of surprise and prior planning

And the more powerful the gun fires, the faster more people will be hit before any return fire

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And people there wonder why I live here?

Same here.

People in the states do not care enough to do anything about it.

I don't think that's true of all.

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And just today, 6 people injured from a shooting at a 12- year old's party in Louisiana. Just think of how many shootings never even make the headline news.

Better make sure you take care of your own countries' problems before casting judgment on other nations.

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Manhunt underway in Austin after 3 people shot.

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There's people explaining the Law, the rules, the mortality rate, the rising incidents and the "fact" that something must be done.

Something?

Change the 2nd or umpteenth amendment?

The fact is there are 400.000.000 arms in that country. They need to be taken away, all of them, and destroyed. There's one guy here saying if he could he would buy. Even in Japan, if I'm correct. What will he do with that weapon? Does he already have target(s)?

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Two styles of shootings ( very obvious)

1) a guy freaks out

2) gangs

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Two styles of shootings ( very obvious)

1) a guy freaks out

2) gangs

Sadly, both of these groups very often wear badges..."Remember children, the Police are GOOD examples of proper behavior..." This could go some distance to explain America...

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there are countless examples of untrained people, kids even, defending themselves with guns.

I could google how many kids have killed themselves or others with guns, but what’s the point? You will never change your mind. That’s the problem.

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@zichi: 47 mass shootings in the past month. Gun violence is out of control.

Care to tell us how many of the 47 took place in communities run by Progressives? Even the latest shooting on JP that took place within a Conservative state, was in a city, Austin, administered by a Democrat.

https://japantoday.com/category/world/ems-3-adults-fatally-shot-in-austin-no-suspect-in-custody

The commonality time-after-time for all of these terrible problems whether they be racially inspired riots, arsons, crimes by police, mass shooting, etc is that they are taking place in locations run by the political Left. Again, it’s not 100% by any means by it seems to hold true in the vast majority of the reported cases. Why?

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Is Wisconsin a red state?

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egads man!Today  09:12 am JST

Is Wisconsin a red state?

Red with bloodshed. And it's not necessary!

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SophiaHernandezApr. 18  11:41 pm JST

And as for the 2nd Amendment mentioning 'militia', that later became what we know as the 'US Army'

Nope. That militia became the National guard. in truth, the militia is "every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the State Defense Forces, National Guard, or Naval Militia."

That's still run by the Department of Defence. These 'militia' types are a bunch of ninnies with 7th grade mentalities who never grew up and who LOVE to play 'Army'. They are always looking for excuses to hate someone, but they ain't got the maturity or discipline that the real military has. They're just bunches of racist, fanatical, juvenile punkass brats who have no respect for anybody else or for democracy. They are treasonous, hateful, John Wilkes Booths, lippy, sociopathic ignorant loudmouths with criminal dispositions. As a military veteran, I have no use for such violent Unamerican trash.

And they rally around the Antichrist Trump, who sold himself to the Russians. He is a vile lowlife Caligula. What more needs t be said?

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I once again ask all gun-lovers in the US to form large circles and all draw and fire at the same time. Those who survive, draw and fire again, and again, and again, until the problem is solved. Let those who do not like or want guns around them, and who pretty much always end up being the victims of those who declare them "necessary" (to counter others with guns, of course), alone.

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I could google how many kids have killed themselves or others with guns, but what’s the point? You will never change your mind. That’s the problem.

"Having a swimming pool in a household is something like 4.3 to 5.6 times as likely to lead to an accidental death as having a firearm, when we look at the numbers for all age groups. For children less than 15, the difference is more like 19 to 25 times as likely."

Even more kids than that are killed by cars backing out of driveways.

https://m1-garand-rifle.com/gun-safety/firearms-versus-swimming-pools.php

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These 'militia' types are a bunch of ninnies with 7th grade mentalities who never grew up and who LOVE to play 'Army'. They are always looking for excuses to hate someone, but they ain't got the maturity or discipline that the real military has. They're just bunches of racist, fanatical, juvenile punkass brats who have no respect for anybody else or for democracy. They are treasonous, hateful, John Wilkes Booths, lippy, sociopathic ignorant loudmouths with criminal dispositions. As a military veteran, I have no use for such violent Unamerican trash.

And a lot of them are vets, just like yourself.

"Oath Keepers is an American far-right anti-government militia organization composed of current and former military, police, and first responders who pledge to fulfill the oath that all military and police take in order to "defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic"."

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Enforce the laws already on the books, increase police presence, give MORE funding to the police, come up with other various methods when taking down a suspect. Push Democrat leaders to clean their streets and arrest anyone that sells or buys a stolen firearm with the serial number filed off, have a ZERO tolerance policy towards gangs and underage children roaming the streets at night.

Martial law?

How about cut funding for the police and put the money into the communities? Be proactive rather than reactive.

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If these levels of extreme gun violence were happening in Europe there would be mass protests demanding an end and change.

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If these levels of extreme gun violence were happening in Europe there would be mass protests demanding an end and change.

A bit like the hermit/rogue nation of the DPRK, the USA is a law unto itself and does not tend to pay attention to helpful advice from others.

Which is why these killing sprees/massacres/mass shootings/postals will continue to occur until the iron grip of the gun lobby and gun fetishists is broken.

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Even more kids than that are killed by cars backing out of driveways.

And speaking of kids, shouldn't they be allowed to carry AR-15s just like adults? Because often kids play at parks, playgrounds, etc. and no adults are around and they have the right to protect themselves as well according to 2A (...shall not be infringed...)

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And speaking of kids, shouldn't they be allowed to carry AR-15s just like adults? Because often kids play at parks, playgrounds, etc. and no adults are around and they have the right to protect themselves as well according to 2A (...shall not be infringed...)

Deflecting again. what about pools and cars which make more deaths?

Why should a 18 year old be able to carry an AR but not a 16 year old? self defense is a human right. why do you want to deny kids that right?

if a kids walking in the woods armed and gets attacked by a bear, can he shoot it? or does he just have to stand there and get mauled. What's the difference between a bear and an attacker? they both want to do harm, right?

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Why should a 18 year old be able to carry an AR but not a 16 year old?

Exactly. We agree now. Kids have the same rights as adults for self defense. Good that all is agreed among NRA 2A Trump people that kids should have the same exact guns rights as adults. Remember, owning guns is not a privilege (rather it's a right) and something you don't need a license for. The founding fathers established this and especially there were some kids under 18 who fought the evil British and teens (under 18) should have the same gun rights as adults. Also, it seems the more firepower is needed to stop these mass shooters. I was thinking that the M134 Minigun or the DREBG-73 should be legalized which would eliminate any threat like what happened with the Mandalay Bay shooter.

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 what about pools and cars which make more deaths?

I've never heard of a person being attacked with a pool. Cars? They are becoming more and more self driving which will reduce accidents and become less deadly. While guns are become more and more deadly (since the musket). The Mandalay Bay shooter would have killed a lot fewer people with a musket. Next let's compare guns and can openers.

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if a kids walking in the woods armed and gets attacked by a bear, can he shoot it? 

Yes, and the kid has a much better chance with a semi auto AR if he or she suddenly encounters a bear. Good point and reinforces the argument that kids should have the same firepower as adults. This will help the American economy with more gun sales.

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nishikat

the discussion you jumped in on was about accidental deaths. of which, cars and pools cause more than guns. Again, why do you want to deny kids the basic human right to defend themselves, and why dont you stick to the topic?

Mandalay bay? legally purchased semi automatics converted to automatics with bump stocks. bump stocks have been banned since. a secure, elevated position. nothing was going to stop that.

The Second Amendment protects weapons in common use, not just used at the time it wss written. does freedom of speech just apply to quills and ink, or can we express ourselves on our cell phones too? . AR15s are the most popular sporting rifle in America.

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Next let's compare guns and can openers.

All right. lets get two guys to attack us. I'll use a gun to defend myself and you use a can opener.

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Bad guys shouldn't have guns? Let's disarm the police. Retrain them so don't behave as if they're afraid of their own shadiws

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*shadows

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This will help the American economy with more gun sales

Don't forget the bullets.

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