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Police: El Paso shooting suspect said he targeted Mexicans

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By CEDAR ATTANASIO, JAKE BLEIBERG and PAUL J. WEBER

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us posted a racist screed online that railed against an influx of Hispanics into the U.S. The document parrots some of President Donald Trump's divisive rhetoric about immigration, but the writer said his views predate Trump's rise and that any attempt to blame the president for his actions was "fake news."

No one can know with any certainty why mass murderers do what they do.

The issues can only be understood as complex sets of problems, as a dynamic, and two of the variables that must be considered contributing to them are 1. toxic masculinity, and 2. fear of the 'others', i.e. the 'thems', those for whatever reason deemed different.

The murderer claims - and who knows whether he's right - Trump can't be blamed. But when a president, a person idolized (in a negative sense) by many of his followers, a person seen as representing and speaking for their demographic (except re wealth), a male who's said horribly insulting things about women, a person who's said horribly insulting things about Hispanics, continues to fan flames and incite his followers, he cannot be seen, by anyone except his most ardent idolators, as blame free.

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There were "Mexicans" in what's now Texas long before Texas was part of the US. You could plausibly say that the American border crossed them.

He was just following orders from Trump. When you dog-whistle all the time about the imaginary Mexican “invasion,” strays like him are inevitably going to come **** on the lawn. Trump owns this.

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we will now see convoluted explanations

from Trump backers, including those paid by Bannon and/or the Internet Research Agency (plus other GRU funded groups supporting the NRA and other far right, unAmerican organizations) pushing Trump's ongoing attempts to further divide the long divided US.

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White supremacists are the #1 domestic terrorism threat in America today according to the FBI.

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White supremacists are the #1 domestic terrorism threat in America today according to the FBI.

Unfortunately white supremacists and their backers (US and 'foreign') do NOT trust US intelligence agencies. Instead they trust what the Kremlin says.

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The Trumpers here deny the truth when it stares them right in the face...

**"Shoot them!" the supporter in the audience shouted. Some in the crowd clapped and cheered. Trump them joked "That's only in the Panhandle you can get away with this stuff," 

He gave his supporters a green light to act on the hate that he has spewed from his twitter...

He is an Accessory to all of these hate crimes and should be charged as such....

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He was just following orders from Trump.

Like the shooter in Dayton was following orders from Liz Warren.

When you dog-whistle all the time about the imaginary Mexican “invasion,”

When you have more than 2000 people a month trying break into the country from Mexico what would you call it? A party, people shuffling?

 strays like him are inevitably going to come **** on the lawn. Trump owns this.

No, the Democrats completely own it in a sense, politically at least, had they done their jobs and went with this President to stop the cascade of illegals streaming through our open borders, they could claim the high ground over this President, but these politicians are so dumb, they’re handing Trump a clear win on this and on that point, he owns it.

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@PTownsend

I personally think the rise of nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiment in the US has to do with the decreasing standards of living and worsening economic prospects.

If you have a high standards of living, a good paying job, and the economic conditions are so good, that you know you can quit your job and get a new one the next day, you would most likely not care about immigrants no matter what the news tell you. It is only when people are financially unstable, work a low paying job 8 or 12 hours a day, live paycheck to paycheck, have bleak economic prospects, and you can't explain to yourself why are things so bad for you, then comes somebody who gives you the answers - the economy is bad because immigrants come and suppress wages, they also commit crimes, and destroy our culture. When these answers and ideas go unchallenged, people believe them, as they are given no other alternative explanation.

It is much more easy to give people simple answers than try to educate them on the real issues. A simple argument takes 30 seconds to make, a complicated long argument takes 30 minutes.

I read some of the manifesto of one of the guys, he says his dream job is about to disappear because of automation, and his precious Texan culture is no longer the same.

Again, i strongly think that, the root cause of this surge of nationalism and anti-immigration sentiment is the worsening standards of living and bleak economic prospects. Contrary to what Trump is saying, the US economy is nowhere near "the great it has ever been". It's not even the great to begin with. In fact, it's not even good.

It's a vicious cycle and it's very complicated, because, on one hand, the way to make the economy grow and expand, you would first need to end the QE policy, by doing so, the economy will fall into recession. During that recession, what the government needs to do is massively shrink the government spending, cut a lot of the red tape and regulations, and get rid of all the anti-business, anti-entrepreneur laws. Minimum wage is one of the main reasons why the shooter's dream job has been automated. People need to get educated on how the economy works. All the laws that are supposed to help women and other minorities are making it worse for them. Taxes are also high. US's pain is a self-inflicted one. All these welfare programs are not helping poor people, they are making it worse for them. The entire economy is upside down. However, if any candidate proposes any of the changes i proposed, there is no way they would ever win, and thus, lying and keep going with the QE failed policies is the only option left.

It's a vicious cycle. As the rotten policies continue, the economy will continue to worsen, people's standards of living will continue to decline, and that leads to frustration and anger, and since most people don't know why this is happening, they channel their anger at the immigrants. It's very difficult to radicalize someone who's having a great life, it's very easy to do that with someone who is not happy with his life.

If a Democrat wins in 2020, things will get so much worse, but also better in some ways, because i think a Democrat will probably cut the military spending in half to pay for their socialistic policies, and by doing so, they will put an end to the military industrial complex and the endless foreign wars that have bankrupted the US. On the flip side, all the newly created inflation will kill the value of the dollar and the bubble will finally pop resulting in a massive recession. Hopefully after that people will give a Libertarian a try, and that will usher a new era of peace and prosperity for all.

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*"Shoot them!" the supporter in the audience shouted. Some in the crowd clapped and cheered. Trump them joked "That's only in the Panhandle you can get away with this stuff," 

The smoking gun...

How about repeating this a million times

he writer said his views predate Trump's rise and that any attempt to blame the president for his actions was "fake news."

Typical Trump supporter trying to give cover to his Dear Leader - you see it here in JT every day...

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Supporters of the madman in the White House enable white supremacists like the terrorist in El Paso.

No platforms for bigotry.

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Trump has NOTHING to do withthese shootings. If anything is motivating these nutjobs its the endless screeds of hate and fear and groundless accusations of racism and bigotry coming from the mainstream liberal media day in day out.

Dispicable. We are not fooled.

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Donna Brazile, former CNN contributer and former chair of the Democratic National Committee has just stated Trump has nothing to do with these shootings.

Liberal/leftist media propaganda is spewing daily hate. THe Democratic party itself is, as it has done throughout history, dividing the nation using identity politics.

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Donna Brazile, former CNN contributer and former chair of the Democratic National Committee has just stated Trump has nothing to do with these shootings.

So? Ann Coulter said Trump was an idiot and a worse President than Obama - you agree with that?

Liberal/leftist media propaganda is spewing daily hate.

Only in Orangelandia....

THe Democratic party itself is, as it has done throughout history, dividing the nation using identity politics.

The Dems identify with all Americans, while Trump and the Repubs identify with white supremacists and other hate groups - you know - some of those "very fine people"...

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People know what white supremacy actually is and who racists and Nazis are. Using it for political name calling cheapens the term for the people who actually are those things.

didn’t you see the Dem guy release the trump donor list with names AND employers. Why would he do that? We are not allowed to participate in the political process if we support someone other than a Dem?

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Trump and the shooters are just a reflection of a mainly sick society.

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Remember, if you support Trump, you are supporting a white supremacist.

Wrong.

Correct - he's not just a white supremacist, he's a Russian-loving con-man and serial pervert - there's lots of things Trump's supporters sign up to when they join the Trump cult...

Who attended the funeral of the ex Grand Wizard of the KKK to pay their respects on his passing?

And who did David Duke say this about: “Congratulation [sic] Donald J. Trump President of the United States of America!” he wrote. Duke, a former Imperial Wizard for the Ku Klux Klan, was very vocal in supporting Trump throughout his campaign. In a series of tweets during the inauguration on Friday, Duke praised Trump for “declaring war” on the agenda of the “Jewish establishment” and said he would “return dignity to the white working class.” “Hail Prez Trump! America First! Save USA borders not foreign. Make nations (((Israel)))? pay own defense! NO to (((Neocon))) warmongers!” he wrote. 

You guys really think you are “fighting Nazis” or something. It’s delusional.

Very similar - trying to protect our democracy and constitution from those that want to turn our country into Russia...

You guys can't keep calling people racist and bigots and nazis just because you disagree with them. 

Says the guy who supports a President that said about Neo-Nazis and white supremacists marching in Charlottesville - "some are very fine people"... Tell your President to turn off his hate speech, then maybe we can talk...

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First, he said some very fine people on both sides. That means he was talking about antifa as well. Do you believe Trump thinks highly of antifa? I don't think so either. But, when he said some fine people on both sides, he wasn't talking about the white supremacist or antifa memnbers--who both showed up as uninvited guests; he was talking about the peacful protesters there protesting the removal of the R.E. Lee statue. Once again, the media poured you a tall glass of koolaid, and you drank it all in one gulp. I know this, because your posts are repetitive of what the media says verbatim.

And another alt-right contorted excuse and fabrication for Donnie not condemning Neo Nazis and white supremacists....

However..... I can control whose funeral I attend and give the eulogy at and who I call my “mentor”. (Multiple Dems)

Would help if you would post a link for your claim. However, if true, pretty likely they saw Rep Congressman Steve King there....

 “White nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization — how did that language become offensive?”  King has repeatedly made racist and bigoted comments, and he promotes white nationalists on Twitter.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/steve-king-white-supremacy_n_5cf7c14ae4b0747b8c5f6a84

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