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Police inaction moves to center of Uvalde shooting probe

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The delay in confronting the shooter — who was inside the school for more than an hour — could lead to discipline, lawsuits and even criminal charges against police.

Police, particularly in the US, seem to be quick on the draw when it is the case of people and dogs during no-knock searches, fleeing suspects, especially with minorities and the like.

When it is the case of an armed and dangerous suspect, then there is this hesitation.

Who else displays such behavior, attacking the weaker and cowering from the stronger?

Bullies.

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The article fails to say that parents wanted the police weapons and gear to go in themselves, but were stopped, tackled and in some cases handcuffed for having more courage than the police.

The border patrol agent (whose daughter was in the school) went in alone defying the order, while about other policemen waited far away in the hallways. The classroom was unlocked, even though the police said it was locked and barricaded. Lies, lies and more lies.

More and more, the police do not “serve and protect,” they just clean up the paperwork afterwards and circle the wagons to protect each other in their lies.

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When the gunman arrived at the school, he hopped its fence and easily entered through an unlocked back door, police said.

As just an observer of the unfolding events on the news media, things did not add up from the beginning. This was an all hands on deck, dire, lethal, emergency situation with everyone sitting on their thumbs, heads should roll, starting with the teacher who supposedly propped the back door open to go outside to make phone calls.

Maybe police should had been told that there were parents inside yelling at school board members…that would have made them rush in immediately….

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Who else displays such behavior, attacking the weaker and cowering from the stronger?

Bullies.

Brilliantly said.

“What Columbine taught us is, when you have an active shooter situation, waiting for additional resources will result in people losing their lives,” Wexler said. “Here we are, 20 years post-Columbine and that’s the same issue that continues to challenge law enforcement."

Fact. But (!)

20, 30, 40 years. A coward will always be a coward.

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Police, particularly in the US, seem to be quick on the draw when it is the case of people and dogs during no-knock searches, fleeing suspects, especially with minorities and the like. 

When they grab a gun, run, engage a peace officer, try to flush evidence down the toilet, physically confront a peace officer in tight quarters and when the culprits overwhelmingly fit the statistical profile and refuse to cooperate, then yes.

When it is the case of an armed and dangerous suspect, then there is this hesitation.

That is absolutely not true.

Who else displays such behavior, attacking the weaker and cowering from the stronger?

Bullies.

Inadequate leadership.

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That is absolutely not true.

Lol It absolutely is true. They sat around for 40 minutes twiddling their thumbs while the gunman was in the school shooting kids.

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So much for the "If only there were a man there with a gun!" argument gun nuts so love to pull out in these situations.

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As the article states, it has been the standard operating procedure since Columbine. First on the scene, goes in. Even if they thought the active element of the attack was over, there may have been victims inside who needed immediate medical attention.

This was a failure on all levels. Of course, allowing 18-year-olds to buy semi-automatic rifles is the first failure.

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They sat around for 40 minutes twiddling their thumbs while the gunman was in the school shooting kids.

By 'they' you mean the NINETEEN police officers standing outside the room where the shooter was killing kids, right?

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Not held responsible for selling the guns

Not held responsible for stopping the shooter.

USA isn't responsible .

Kids can't even go to school safely !

What are they teaching ?

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Lol It absolutely is true.

No, not even close. There are thousands of situations where the suspect was gunned down and confronted, fact, documented. The leadership in this situation bungled this for sure, but to even insinuate that peace officers hesitate is factually and unequivocally false.

They sat around for 40 minutes twiddling their thumbs

Well, you and I don’t know the exact circumstances surrounding the issue, neither one of us were there. I do believe there was a breakdown somewhere, but what, how and why is still being determined. What makes a lot of this worse is when people cave in to their primal emotional instincts and attack a situation without a shred of substantial facts to back up that outrage. Wait until the investigation is complete then go ahead and spout off, but at the very least let every and all the facts come out, don’t do and like the typical msm and jump to mindless political partisan conclusions.

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This will continue if current impasse is not resolved. Obviously, schools or facilities with no weapons policy are soft targets for shooters. So either ban guns, or up security, can't leave things as is.

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This will continue if current impasse is not resolved. Obviously, schools or facilities with no weapons policy are soft targets for shooters. So either ban guns, or up security, can't leave things as is.

I agree

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“WaPo worries Uvalde police response problems will ‘take focus off the real issue: guns’”

how about some focus on the real issue: “the shooter”?

Without him none of this happens.

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What do you expect in a culture of zero permissible risk tolerance.

Cops had to make sure their masks were on and all Covid protocols were being followed before saving the kids.

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The NRA did it. The police allowed it. It’s the Republicans. Beto says “this one is on us”. Everyone wants to blame everyone and anything except for the shooter.

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surrounding the issue

The issue is the cops did not enter the building for an entire hour. That's the time it takes to watch one episode of Game of Thrones. There is some strong chatter that the NRA is pushing for a bill that will allow kids to pack. As Wayne L. of the NRA says the only think that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy (and this includes kids) with a gun. The NRA is proposing that each desk have an apparatus to hold the gun conveniently so when the mass shooter comes in the classroom the kids can shoot back. But the kids must have a clean juvenile record and have recommendations from the school showing they have a clean school conduct record.

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It's almost as if someone wanted this to happen.

https://100percentfedup.com/breaking-tx-dps-announces-that-door-was-propped-open-at-school-by-a-teacher-before-the-shooting-school-resource-officer-drove-right-by-the-shooter/

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Police inaction moves to center of Uvalde shooting probe

Same thing happened at Columbine. The “probe” should be looking at healthcare, but that doesn’t serve the Reps and Dems campaign contributions.

Meanwhile Biden is shipping and selling weapons like a used car salesman. How is it this local violence gets way way more MSM coverage than weapons gifts sales and it’s lethal and corrupt consequences. How many millions has the Pentagon misplaced over the last 40 years that could have went to free mental health clinics?

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There is some strong chatter that the NRA is pushing for a bill that will allow kids to pack. As Wayne L. of the NRA says the only think that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy (and this includes kids) with a gun. The NRA is proposing that each desk have an apparatus to hold the gun conveniently so when the mass shooter comes in the classroom the kids can shoot back. But the kids must have a clean juvenile record and have recommendations from the school showing they have a clean school conduct record

Link, please. "Strong chatter" isn't evidence.

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And I thought that only the police in my country were useless at doing their jobs until and unless a VIP is the affected party.

Having watched countless episodes of ‘Cops’ I used to think that the cops in the US were the epitome of efficiency even if there were a few bad apples just like everywhere else. Now I am watching ‘We own this city’ and realise that that is not really the case, especially for cops working the crime ridden inner city areas.

Back to the main topic, those who say that only the cops and military (not the civilians) should be armed need to rethink their positions. Cops come into the picture only after a crime is committed, not before. In the US at least they are a 911 call away but that is still enough time for a criminal to do some damage. In my country they mostly don’t show up at all.

US has this really valuable right to bear arms which gives each and every person the option to arm themselves for self defense. That right should be used properly to save lives, instead of being attacked every time a tragedy occurs.

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“The bottom line would be: Why did they not choose the strategy that would have been best to get in there and to eliminate the killer and to rescue the children?” Abbott said.

So the argument that a good guy with a gun would've saved lives is totally moot. I'm sorry but it says something about a country when you aren't allowed to consume alcohol until you're 21, but can be given the ability to kill. It also says something about a society when they get all flustered about giving women the right to own their own bodies, but are sure fine and dandy to allow people to kill kids with guns. Wow!

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Link, please. "Strong chatter" isn't evidence.

Ok

https://www.salon.com/2022/01/24/wisconsin-pass-bill-allowing-some-high-school-students-to-bring-a-to-campus/

They want to expand this to JHS next, eventually elementary school. What's the problem? Any Trump/NRA person would support this.

As Wayne L. Says...... (see above)

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Stop the guns stop the massacres. Easy.

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defund

Democrats want no police? They didn't work anyway at this recent mass shooting and this is Texas

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This is why there is a lot of support by the gun lobby to let qualified kids carry.

And you: (Feb 3rd)

You don't think teens have a right to protect themselves just like adults? The 2nd amendment says "....shall not be infringed..." Teens are people too. Also, teens fought in the American revolution so white Americans could own slaves.

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priorities. And politics.

Wait a minute, does that mean socialized healthcare? We can't turn to socialism for mental health treatment. That's means more Obamacare. I thought Trump was anti Obamacare. Should the government also pay for other healthcare such as cancer? Or just mental illness but private care for cancer (and you die of cancer if you don't have the money)?

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The actions — or more notably, the inaction — of a school district police chief and other law enforcement officers have become the center of the investigation into this week's shocking school shooting in Uvalde, Texas.

Thankfully these type of incidents are exceedingly rare. Of course they deserve the hyperbolic media attention.

At the same time, children have a higher risk of dying in drowning accidents than being a victim of a mass shooting.

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Bingo!

Trump people support government healthcare now? How will this socialism healthcare work in the USA exactly?

Pathetic

How should a teen protect him/herself if a mass shooter is about to take him/her out like in a game room just with other kids and no armed adult around? Specifics?

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Cops had to make sure their masks were on and all Covid protocols were being followed before saving the kids.

In Texas? Oh, that's funny.

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At the same time, children have a higher risk of dying in drowning accidents than being a victim of a mass shooting.

Again with comparing accidents to cold-blooded mass murders. Also, tragically, accidental drownings happen across the globe. An unfortunate fact of life. Mass shootings? Of the comparable nations, pretty much only the US.

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Their is no civil legal , ramifications for these police,but them getting fired for neglect of duty,lots these schools got billions of Covid aid,they invested the money in everything ,that was not related to Covid

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Of the comparable nations, pretty much only the US.

So are you saying these otherwise peaceable nations would turn quickly to cold-blooded savagery and drown in blood if they simply had greater access to guns?

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Mods?

no no. Please let this continue. Nishikats posts are comedy gold.

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It shoots a big hole in the argument that a good guy with a guy stops a bad guy with a gun, especially in this case where there were like 20 good guys vs 1 bad guy.

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So are you saying these otherwise peaceable nations would turn quickly to cold-blooded savagery and drown in blood if they simply had greater access to guns?

Well, mass killings still occur, with knives and arson and so on, there's no denying that. So, maybe. What do you think?

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But it looks like there is more support for Obamacare among Trump people

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I would say the “you don’t need your own gun because police will protect you” has been further disproven.

even the border patrol guy had to borrow a shotgun from his….barber!?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/west-virginia-woman-shoots-kills-man-fired-party

“good guy with a gun” was a lady. She saved many people’s lives including children. Criminal didn’t expect anyone to be armed, especially women.

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The part I hate hearing the most is that parents were prevented from going in as they were getting sick of the police's inaction. The guy was left in there to kill at will for almost an hour. Police would have to shoot me to prevent me from going in to save my kids and their schoolmates.

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Posters said there is no money to pay for what needs to be done. 

there is. Well, was.

There never was.

Over 130,000 k-12 schools in the US. Your proposed ‘team of armed guards’, one for each door as you explained, let’s say a team is 3 and each school has 3 doors, that’s over 1 million armed guards. How much will they be paid? How much for training and uniforms, weapons?

I know you’re going to say “we only need them in ‘underprivileged’ schools.”

Ok, so the next shooter drives a few blocks and goes to a school without a swat team outside. Or one of those million newly armed guards has a bad day and snaps. Or the team of armed guards actually do nothing and stand around as the police did.

Your ‘plan’ is a fantasy.

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No, not even close. There are thousands of situations where the suspect was gunned down and confronted, fact, documented.

1) There aren't thousands of situations where suspects were gunned down by the police.

2) Pointing out how the police "gunned down" thousands of suspects isn't good. I mean, do you really want the police killing thousands of people? Seems not good.

3) They failed here. They failed in Parkland. They failed in Columbine. It seems to me that the good guys with guns kind of aren't very good at stopping bad guys.

gave it away to other countries.

Lolz this lame argument again? Tell me what did the Trump administration do to curb gun violence? The answer is nothing, and that was before the war in Ukraine. Republicans do not care. In fact, the Trump administration made it easier for mentally ill people to buy guns. Genius.

www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1039301

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that’s over 1 million armed guards. How much will they be paid? How much for training and uniforms, weapons?

They can be paid $54,000 per year as many of them will be recent military retirees who can add that to their pension amounts.

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just the 220 billion dollars for “student debt relief” (actually vote buying) would fund this entire security program for 4.5 years. And create 1 million new jobs and generate tax revenue.

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1) There aren't thousands of situations where suspects were gunned down by the police.

Yes, there were.

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/22/1008975458/more-police-officers-have-died-on-the-job-so-far-this-year-than-in-2020-why

2) Pointing out how the police "gunned down" thousands of suspects isn't good. I mean, do you really want the police killing thousands of people? Seems not good. 

No, but if you don’t comply, don’t follow the police‘s orders, become combative, physically will harm others and or the police in various ways or they use deadly force against a police officer, then the police officer has every right to respond with the same reasonable force, then they should do whatever they have to to neutralize the threat

3) They failed here. They failed in Parkland. They failed in Columbine. It seems to me that the good guys with guns kind of aren't very good at stopping bad guys.

Like I said, there needs to be more training, I agree, But remember, were it not for that BORTAC agent, more people would’ve been killed.

Lolz this lame argument again? Tell me what did the Trump administration do to curb gun violence?

he couldn’t do anything, because for one thing the Democrats were always trying to stop anything that he would do, and then let’s not forget most of the biggest crimes are in the bluest of cities and why did their mayors and governors not do anything about it, why didn’t the Obama administration when they control all three branches create some legislation to curb gun violence back then? And why doesn’t the Biden administration do it now? I’ll tell you why, because the Democrats know they can’t, if they politically want to make themselves obsolete, they should go ahead, let them try, they won’t succeed and they know they won’t succeed.

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Link, please. "Strong chatter" isn't evidence.

Ok

https://www.salon.com/2022/01/24/wisconsin-pass-bill-allowing-some-high-school-students-to-bring-a-to-campus/

They want to expand this to JHS next, eventually elementary school. What's the problem? Any Trump/NRA person would support this.

That link proves nothing you said.

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The memories of the loss of 19 children and 2 teachers are above to sacrificed in a toxic media circus blame game.

The sooner an Independent inquiry into the lessons that urgently need to be learned the grieving process can begin

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This tweet should be watched by all:

https://twitter.com/LifeIndiscreet/status/1530579942651600896

In it, a former rifle/pistol coach in the Marine Corps brings to light the fact that even a well-trained Marine needs to be tested annually that they are competent in operating their guns. Also, even they cannot and are not allowed to privately keep a firearm with them. He makes it a point to mention that it is more restrictive for a well-trained Marine to have weapons than the average 18 year-old in Texas. That is totally mind-boggling. My favorite quote from him is that "well-regulated militia" (as stated in the 2nd Amendment) "does not mean no regulations". Obviously an 18 year-old teen should not fall under "well-regulated militia", as does the majority of Americans who own firearms.

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I could tell there was a cover up, when for days they couldn't give us a timeline. It's disgusting that they just stood around and let young children die.

RIP the simplistic "a good guy with a gun will defeat a bad guy with a gun". It's a complete myth and not a solution to mass shootings in schools.

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