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A first grader could make a statement that- the problem with gun violence is guns. Is the problem with sunburn the sun?

Can you recommend a cream that will make people bulletproof?

The problem is people using guns to commit criminal acts. Absent a person, a gun is just an object waiting to be used in whatever manner a person decides. My guns have never shot anyone or anything that I didnt choose to shoot and they never will. they dont have that independent capability to act without me.

I see. If this is the case, why do no countries that ban or restrict gun ownership have similar mass shooting problems?

My issue is that "my guns have never shot anything I didn't choose to shoot" might be right. But I'm concerned that, one day, you might choose to shoot me. And I want to remove your ability to make that choice.

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Yeah, you said something like this right after you criticized Trump's response and said you disagree with him (big surprise there).

A first grader could make a statement that- the problem with gun violence is guns. Is the problem with sunburn the sun?

The problem is people using guns to commit criminal acts. Absent a person, a gun is just an object waiting to be used in whatever manner a person decides. My guns have never shot anyone or anything that I didnt choose to shoot and they never will. they dont have that independent capability to act without me.

I disagree with punishment before due process, but he recognised the real problem: the gun.

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so to speak about the actual topic, what do you think Biden should do about these daily shootings? if not Biden how about the Dem controlled House? The Dem controlled Senate? The Dem Attorney General? Dem Homeland security? the Dem mayor of Knoxville, TN?

anyone going to do anything?

Personally, I think that they should pass laws to narrow the definition of the second amendment to make guns only available to "well regulated militias", rather than individuals, with an aim towards annulling the second amendment entirely in the long term.

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so to speak about the actual topic, what do you think Biden should do about these daily shootings? if not Biden how about the Dem controlled House? The Dem controlled Senate? The Dem Attorney General? Dem Homeland security? the Dem mayor of Knoxville, TN?

anyone going to do anything?

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That was the kid with the gun. And who did they call to take care of the problem? People with guns.

People properly trained in the use of firearms.

Noones suggesting giving every teacher a gun and saying go for it. Train the teachers, and if they want to keep a gun, they can. They also be better at deescalating than most cops who definitely failed here, because it ended up with 1 cop injured and the kid dead.

 I prefer teachers to hone their teaching skills instead of needing to acquire and maintain skills to properly handle firearms.

You can say that about all skills then. I prefer teachers to hone teaching skills over learning to play a sport or make a spreadsheet or study how to be counsellor.

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Speculation at best.

I disagree

It’s likely to make things worse if armed civilians intervene when shootings erupt in public places, says John Donohue, a Stanford Law School professor whose research has focused on gun violence and policy. **“Unless you’re very well trained, you usually add more to the body count than you subtract,” **Donohue says.

Ok and?

Properly handling a firearm is a degradable skill like speaking a second language: if you don’t constantly practice/use it, you lose it.

Most gun owners do practice regularly.

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In the US!

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@Blacklabel

Biden is in charge now and Dems have all branches of government. Yet these shootings still happening daily, why?

No, they do not!

when the shooter isnt politically convenient- focus on the gun.

When the shooter is convenient, focus on the shooter for maximum political points.

More "dogs and whistles" again?

There are 3 types of Mass shootings (2 or more victims) with intended targets: Family, Felony(crime), and Public.

Minorities groups make up the majority of felony shootings people getting killed in the process of committing another crime (robbery or fighting) which are a bigger problems of institutional racism and mistreatment. However, Family and Public killing close members or random people based race, religion, bullying, entitlement, or political affiliation is largely white males.

Happy?

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when the shooter isnt politically convenient- focus on the gun.

When the shooter is convenient, focus on the shooter for maximum political points.

Biden is in charge now and Dems have all branches of government. Yet these shootings still happening daily, why?

Guess what? Until we have the courage to ban guns, gun violence will continue, no matter who the President is.

Biden is a pathetic liberal, who is continuing some of the worst policies of the Trump error — sorry, era — but at least he recognises gun violence is bad.

To be fair to Trump, when he said that when people who could potentially be the sort of person who would commit a mass shooting, he said that their guns should be taken first, and due process second. I disagree with punishment before due process, but he recognised the real problem: the gun.

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That was the kid with the gun. And who did they call to take care of the problem? People with guns.

People properly trained in the use of firearms.

If the teachers had been armed they could have been able to talk the shooter down, or defend themselves and the other kids if they had to.

Speculation at best.

*It’s likely to make things worse if armed civilians intervene when shootings erupt in public places, says John Donohue, a Stanford Law School professor whose research has focused on gun violence and policy. “Unless you’re very well trained, you usually add more to the body count than you subtract,” Donohue says.*

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5644578/good-guys-with-guns-el-paso-dayton/%3famp=true

Properly handling a firearm is a degradable skill like speaking a second language: if you don’t constantly practice/use it, you lose it. I prefer teachers to hone their teaching skills instead of needing to acquire and maintain skills to properly handle firearms.

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Well rest assured that that person might have easily gotten a gun through a private party with no background checks.

Even if we had background checks the same results would occur. You honestly think most gun owners trust THIS President? Gun sales are rapidly going up because of this administration, he’s the NRA best friend turns out to be.

Asks the poster who thinks there is a war on guns and constantly rants about liberals and Dems

Hey, I’m calm, when I’m back home, I don’t have to worry, I follow the law, so not sure what you’re talking about, let the liberals emotionally figure it out. Debate though is something they don’t seem to want.

More of the "dogs and whistles" about Chicago? Chicago is surrounded by states with lax gun laws that allow guns to fall into the hands of violent criminals.

Ok, got it, so why has the Democrat leadership over 60 years failed to do absolutely nothing as corrupt as the liberal machine is in Chicago?

Isn't there a delinquent criminal on trial for obtaining an illegal AR across state line then killing people at a peaceful protest?

I see and what about the gang fights and people in mostly black communities dying every single day, why are the left so silent on these issues?

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killed one person 

That was the kid with the gun. And who did they call to take care of the problem? People with guns. If the teachers had been armed they could have been able to talk the shooter down, or defend themselves and the other kids if they had to.

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Chicago is surrounded by states with lax gun laws that allow guns to fall into the hands of violent criminals.

yes and it calls for universal checks AND registration. Works well for Japan with all the hunters.

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@Bass

No, they don’t, Chicago is a prime example.

More of the "dogs and whistles" about Chicago? Chicago is surrounded by states with lax gun laws that allow guns to fall into the hands of violent criminals.

How guns are smuggled from state to state on the iron pipeline

https://www.yahoo.com/news/guns-smuggled-state-state-iron-202556664.html

Isn't there a delinquent criminal on trial for obtaining an illegal AR across state line then killing people at a peaceful protest?

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Ricky SanchezToday  07:30 am JST

@Falco

Making guns illegal or writing laws will do nothing. Look at drugs in Mexico for example. Drugs are Illegal, but guess what the highest paying job in Mexico is? You guessed it! Being a drug dealer!

Being a drug dealer is big money for Americans too. It's a huge paying job for anybody anywhere. Problem is, it's not a cushy career and very few people in it ever get to make it to retirement.

Pukey2Today  10:18 am JST

Quick, Wayne LaPierre needs to get back on that luxury yacht.

his big mouth and his greed has fueled the hysteria, fanaticism, gun worship, crime and fascism prevalent today. Just look at the traitors and what they tried to do on Jan. 6, 2021.

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People without guns can't shoot someone.

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Taking away the guns will not solve the problem

Work well in Japan. Guns just don't appear out of thin air. This is reality and not Harry Potter.

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Guns don't kill people. People kill People. Taking away the guns will not solve the problem. Brb..got to go pay my annual NRA dues.

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Hawaii doesn’t have the gang problems Chicago and Indiana has, take them out, enforce the laws and Chicago would be a more quieter and safer city. But putting that aside, Hawaii is not the utopia of peace and freedom, they have other serious problems that are not the envy of the Union.

Chicago's violence is mostly restricted to a few under privileged neighborhoods.

In terms of violent crime, Hawaii ranks as 17th lowest. Although in terms of gun mortality rate, it's fourth. Also - strict gun laws and no land borders.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/200445/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-us-states/

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

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who thinks there is a war on guns...

...and they come to Japan with no guns

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We don’t know if it’s mental

It's about the guns. Japan has mental patients and they don't shoot up izakayas. All countries have mental patients. In the US they need to tighten and nationalize the regulation and background checks. Case in point: Chicago where their illegal guns come from Indiana and other places.

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 Yet these shootings still happening daily, why?

They need to nationalize checks and register all guns. Yes dems want to do that and it works well in Japan. Guns don't just come out of thin air

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Chicago is a prime example

the clear problem of guns coming into Chicago from other ... the state border in Indiana, are the primary source of illegal guns seized in Chicago

(Chicago.gov)

Thanks Trump Conservatives

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The horribly named, "Defund the Police" drive is actually about reallocating funds to other areas in crime prevention, like mental health. But we both know you won't support that.

Not entirely and I would FYI. 

In fact, for years and years I've been listening to the GOP say it's a mental health issue,

No, relax for a moment and put the liberal talking points down, conservatives have been saying there is another side to this issue possibly. We don’t know if it’s mental because the left won’t even debate it. They’re focused on guns and Russia.

You haven’t refuted the fact that firearms control laws work as demonstrated by Hawaii.

I did. But ok, one more time, Hawaii doesn’t have the gang problems Chicago and Indiana has, take them out, enforce the laws and Chicago would be a more quieter and safer city. But putting that aside, Hawaii is not the utopia of peace and freedom, they have other serious problems that are not the envy of the Union.

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theFu,

Thoughtful post as always.

The SCOTUS has deemed that most barriers to owning a firearm violate the Constitution, but I'd love to see if mandatory firearm training and periodic re-training like we do with drivers licenses couldn't be a federal law

Of that I'm not so sure. Winkler writes in Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America,

"For a decision celebrated by the gun rights community (Heller,2008), its immediate effect on gun control was far less than what the gun rights hard-liners might have hoped for. Heller did spark a wave of lawsuits challenging every conceivable type of gun control; within two years, there were over 150 federal court rulings on the constitutionality of gun laws under the Second Amendment. Few laws, however, were invalidated. Despite some sky-is-falling rhetoric of gun control advocates after the case was decided, the Supreme Court did not undermine very many gun laws, at least in the short term. Instead, lower-court judges in Second Amendment cases consistently pointed to Scalia’s list of exceptions and said that whatever law they were ruling on was sufficiently similar—and similarly constitutional. Employing this type of analysis, courts upheld everything from concealed carry permit requirements to bans on firearms possession by fathers who failed to pay child support."

Heller did, though, invalidate Chicago's ban on handguns in 2010. So I'm still not sure which 'ban' bass4funk was talking about.

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...big city Democrats can shoot each other.

This happens because guns are transported from Conservative areas with looser gun laws. We don't see big city democrats shooting each other in Tokyo. Because it's gun laws in Japan are tight everywhere. Right Trump NRA 2A evangelical people living in Japan (with your guns back in the USA)? Thanks Trump conservatives.

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There is no war on guns.

Yes, there is, liberals Dems are screaming we shouldn’t have guns and then have the nerve to lecture us what other countries do. No gun owner gives a hoot what other countries think about our 2nd amendment.

It is funny that you accuse anyone of being hyperpartisan.

Liberals calling it funny is funny.

Nope, as in reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions.

Sorry, we all have the right to the 1st amendment and limiting that or restricting that to basically regulating towards conservatives is diabolically limiting free speech, not playing the victim, talk to Dorsey and Zuckerberg and the freedom silencers on Google.

You really don’t understand why your birthday shouldn’t be the only qualification for purchasing a firearm? Yikes.

I do, how about finding the millions of unregistered guns off the streets first, those are the ones that are involved in most of the homicides, start from there first, instead of coming after people that follow the law.

Proof of training regarding how to properly handle firearms should be a requirement for purchasing firearms. Especially for people who think a weapons capacity (number of rounds the weapon is capable of holding) and firing mechanism (bolt action, semi-auto) don’t affect its lethality.

There are many guns that are semi-automatic that you can modify, I hope you realize that and that won’t do anything, so why is it that liberals get emotional and irrational to just say things?

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Bass: You haven’t refuted the fact that firearms control laws work as demonstrated by Hawaii.

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The NRA isn’t spending its time and money making sure that big city Democrats can shoot each other.

Kind of correct. The NRA is spending its time and money to ensure the free flow of firearms continues, compiling the most comprehensive list of private firearm ownership in the US, and on its executives’ wardrobes and fine dining.

I’m surprised you support the NRA given its fiscal irresponsibility as demonstrated by its bankruptcy.

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Chicago is not an island and isn’t surrounded by a wall,

No, it’s surrounded by bad Democrat leadership, interesting you mentioned a wall....

so firearms flow in from gun nutter states like Indiana. A better example of how firearm control laws work extremely well is Hawaii.

They also don’t have the massive influx of illegals and gangs the way Chicago and Indiana does, makes a huge difference. Hawaii has other serious problems, but that’s for a later thread.

Hawaii has strict firearms control laws and lower rates of firearm violence while other crime rates are relatively comparable to the mainland.

Again, they have other problems and don’t have the gang culture Indiana or Chicago has.

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From what?

People with nefarious intentions coming on my property.

All of these necessitate killing. So you agree with me: guns exist only to take life.

and to protect it.

It is true. Countries without guns have a far lower homicide and suicide rate. Those are just the facts.

Ok, but I’m an American, I could care less what other countries do. They do what they want, we do as well. When I’m in the States, we have the 2nd amendment that I proudly support.

Great, leave Japan

No, because when I’m here I go by their laws and they don’t have 2nd amendment, so....

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So mass shootings are a product of the american debt?? 

What?

Whenever you don't like someone or something, just pull out a gun and start shooting. It's the American way, propped up by corrupt uncaring "lawmakers" and the NRA. 

The NRA isn’t spending its time and money making sure that big city Democrats can shoot each other.

Start the timer until the next mass shooting happens. It's a sad state of affairs with no end in sight.

Yes, it’s sad.

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Whenever you don't like someone or something, just pull out a gun and start shooting. It's the American way, propped up by corrupt uncaring "lawmakers" and the NRA. Start the timer until the next mass shooting happens. It's a sad state of affairs with no end in sight.

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A society that rings up $30 trillion in debt without blinking twice. 

So mass shootings are a product of the american debt?? Setting aside the validity of that argument, you do realize that republicans have always been the ones making the debt explode at every opportunity, so you're basically accusing the GOP of being culpable for school shootings? That's an interesting point of view, I guess.

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Responsible firearms owners use their weapons for legitimate purposes; lawful hunting, recreational shooting, etc...and are fully supportive of common sense gun control.

The gun zealots only want their weapons for one purpose - to give them a sense of power. That's why when you ask them what they intend to do with their gun, they openly admit to "use it to stop the government from taking it away from me"....

So the only purpose they keep a gun is to use it against their own government law enforcement officers who they think want to take it away...

Those folks have demonstrated they don't have the maturity to own a firearm....

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Banning guns is the easy way out. If anyone thinks that gun legislation will work in a country with more guns than people then they are kidding themselves.

Look at my country which has some of the strictest gun laws and yet has the second highest number of guns in the hands of civilians after the US in absolute terms. The catch is that more than 90% of these are illegally manufactured and procured and are in the hands of criminals and folks who don't care a hoot about laws.

It is only law abiding citizens who will suffer because of increased gun regulation.

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Having a firearm or even a pocket knife within 500ft of any school is illegal across most of the USA. There is a 6-year prison term AND $3000 fine just for illegally carrying a firearm on school property (with a few exceptions for police, ceremonial firearms or those used for specific teaching purposes.

While I disagree with a tiny pocket knife being illegal, there is little reason these days to bring any firearm to school.

I am concerned that TN governor signed a new law to allow unlicensed conceal carry for any adult over 21 legally allowed to own a firearm. It is one thing to have a handgun on your hip for all to see, but quite another to have it in a holster under your coat on around the back of your waist.

Guns are no different from any other tool that might harm people when used for that purpose. Plus, the US was founded by people who were trying to escape what they considered a tyrannical govt and knew that preventing normal citizens from access to firearms wouldn't be good .... at the time. Hence, we have the 2nd Amendment which was seen as equally important as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom from religion, etc....

An argument that the 2nd amendment isn't good for America can certainly be made, but the reality is that it does exist and there isn't sufficient popular support to change that in the foreseeable future. The SCOTUS has deemed that most barriers to owning a firearm violate the Constitution, but I'd love to see if mandatory firearm training and periodic re-training like we do with drivers licenses couldn't be a federal law. Would also love to see trigger locks or gun safes mandated. These won't stop all the injuries or killings, but there is little reason for any 7 yr old to find a gun and be able to shoot it on their own.

Practical solutions appreciated.

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That said, America has a gun problem.

America has a fatherless social problem. The shootings are a symptom of a sick society that believes the government owes them everything and they don’t need to take responsibility for themselves. A society that rings up $30 trillion in debt without blinking twice. The mental illness that pervades America didn’t just happen in a vacuum. It was a choice - all rights - no responsibility, generation after generation. Trillion after borrowed trillion.

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Personally, I wouldn’t even call that a high school. Regarding the location in general, the news coverage and published photographs it is probably nearer to a zoo than to an educational institution. lol

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It serves no purpose to pretend that Biden’s America is anything other than a smoldering dumpster fire.

So four months ago when it was Trump's America it was absolutely great, but everything turned into a "smoldering dumpster fire" on January 20th? Yeah, sounds like a very reasonable reasonable.

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Waiting for gun lovers to pivot the discussion to anything other than guns kill and America has a gun problem.

I'm not a gun supporter but guns don't pull their own trigger.

That said, America has a gun problem.

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Economic impact of U.S. sporting arms and ammunition industry 2019 (in billion U.S. dollars)

Published by David Lange, Nov 30, 2020

https://www.statista.com/statistics/219024/us-economic-impact-of-sporting-arms-and-ammunition-industry/

There is no simple straightforward political solution to US firearms control.

The possession of firearms is a way of life for whatever reason.

Meaningful change from any political party will be akin to attempting to reinvent the wheel.

The hard unpalatable facts of gun culture.

Order more body bags.  

Just don’t pretend for one moment, gun control will be fully adopted cross the aisle.

In public, politicians will be condemning the tragedies,

In private will be fully aware of there constituents doctrines and beliefs.

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Jsapc: There are mentally unstable people everywhere in the world. 

Yep. I've always thought it was strange that gun supporters feel "solving all mental health issues that could lead to murder" is a perfectly attainable goal, whereas restrictions on firearms is just pie in the sky crazy talk that will never work and can never be enforced.

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We know that gun bans work,

No, they don’t, Chicago is a prime example.

What gun ban? Cook County's 'assault weapons' ban? As gun rights advocates are always quick to point out, those make up a very small percentage of annual gun deaths in the US.

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In fact, for years and years I've been listening to the GOP say it's a mental health issue, yet I've yet to meet a conservative point to Republican sponsored legislation for mental health. Is it a real solution in their minds, or just a talking point to repeat for a few days until the most current shooting is out of the headlines?

Just a hollow talking point that allows them to feel good about themselves whilst cowering on the corner, hugging their firearms.

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We know that gun bans work, 

No, they don’t, Chicago is a prime example.

Chicago is not an island and isn’t surrounded by a wall, so firearms flow in from gun nutter states like Indiana. A better example of how firearm control laws work extremely well is Hawaii.

Hawaii has strict firearms control laws and lower rates of firearm violence while other crime rates are relatively comparable to the mainland.

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Because they’re not strictly enforced and they should with zero tolerance.

"82 of the mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and March 2021 involved weapons which were obtained legally; a clear majority. Only 16 incidents involved guns that were obtained illegally."

Add the mental issue to that component and not adding that to the overall conversation is demonstrably dishonest.

There are mentally unstable people everywhere in the world. Do you think americans are crazier and more violent than people in other countries? They aren't. But people in other countries can't buy a semi-automatic rifle in a mall.

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It is true.

No, it isn’t. Please refrain from spreading misinformation.

I have a question, besides trying to punish all of us law abiding citizens, why is this for the left an only one-sided approach?

First, the left isn’t trying to punish anyone. Second, it isn’t a a one-sided approach.

What motivates a person to want to pick up a gun or shoot people, let’s say there is no gun, we don’t have guns at all, someone will find other ways to kill people, so there is something deeper going on than guns ans the left doesn’t want to factor in other possible contributing factors as to what else could be the cause for someone to do this.

Incorrect.

We need not only to enforce the gun laws that are already in place, we also need to mentally screen a root out potential violent people from purchasing or getting their hands on firearms if they are determined to be mentally unstable, now you would be approaching this problem from various angles and might find a better solution, but the over-reactionary hyper-partisan war on guns won’t solve anything or better the nation and the safety of it if the left focuses on just the guns only.

There is no war on guns. It is funny that you accuse anyone of being hyperpartisan.

AKA: silencing right opposition or free speech altogether if it doesn’t adhere to liberal group think.

Nope, as in reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions. You playing the victim card is becoming trite.

Why not? Besides registering the serial number of the firearm, you don't really need anything else, except maybe a certification that you passed all mental evaluation tests.

You really don’t understand why your birthday shouldn’t be the only qualification for purchasing a firearm? Yikes.

Proof of training regarding how to properly handle firearms should be a requirement for purchasing firearms. Especially for people who think a weapons capacity (number of rounds the weapon is capable of holding) and firing mechanism (bolt action, semi-auto) don’t affect its lethality.

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This is what happens when you have a group of frightened and scared people, who feel socially, politically, and economically powerless and helpless....

And the only thing that gives them a sense of power is a gun...

So they cling to it...even forsaking their own children...

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Tragic as it sounds.

looks like US need some kind of "Democracy" and "to protect human life" kind of HELP.

That US govt in doing for last 8 decades.

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How many little children have died from gunshot this year? How many have died this century. The figures are horrific in reality. Which other developed countries allows those numbers of deaths without taking serious actions to prevent them. How many just try and find excuses to dismiss those tragic events?

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bass: And yet, liberals are trying more to defund the police, doesn’t help.

The horribly named, "Defund the Police" drive is actually about reallocating funds to other areas in crime prevention, like mental health. But we both know you won't support that.

In fact, for years and years I've been listening to the GOP say it's a mental health issue, yet I've yet to meet a conservative point to Republican sponsored legislation for mental health. Is it a real solution in their minds, or just a talking point to repeat for a few days until the most current shooting is out of the headlines?

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And save them as well.

From what?

Depending on which side you’re on. If you’re a protecting your home, if you’re a cop upholding the law, in war, if you’re a hunter, they have a purpose.

All of these necessitate killing. So you agree with me: guns exist only to take life.

That’s just not true and the numbers reflect that when you see the gun holders in the US.

It is true. Countries without guns have a far lower homicide and suicide rate. Those are just the facts.

I don’t care about other countries

Great, leave Japan.

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Fact A: The majority of the countries in the developed world have strict gun laws and don't sell weapons to pretty much anyone who wants to buy them. The majority of the countries in the developed world don't have a lot of mass shootings.

Those countries don’t have the 2nd amendment, we do. This entire argument about other countries is irrelevant to us. If we wanted to be like them, we would have stayed in Europe, forget the 2nd amendment argument, it’s not going anywhere.

Fact B: America has lax gun laws

Because they’re not strictly enforced and they should with zero tolerance.

Just from a rethorical point of views, making this issue about anything else than guns is simply pants-on-head crazy and/or very dishonest.

Add the mental issue to that component and not adding that to the overall conversation is demonstrably dishonest.

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Guns are the most dangerous thing as they are designed to end lives,

And save them as well.

and have no other purpose.

Depending on which side you’re on. If you’re a protecting your home, if you’re a cop upholding the law, in war, if you’re a hunter, they have a purpose.

Without guns, there would be not be the mass killings that we see today.

That’s just not true and the numbers reflect that when you see the gun holders in the US.

People aren't trying to "punish law abiding citizens", they're trying to save lives.

And yet, liberals are trying more to defund the police, doesn’t help.

We know that gun bans work,

No, they don’t, Chicago is a prime example.

because other countries that have banned guns don't have this problem.

I don’t care about other countries, I am an American and we have a second amendment they don’t.

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Fact A: The majority of the countries in the developed world have strict gun laws and don't sell weapons to pretty much anyone who wants to buy them. The majority of the countries in the developed world don't have a lot of mass shootings.

Fact B: America has lax gun laws and sells weapons to pretty much anyone who wants to buy them. America has a lot of mass shootings.

Just from a rethorical point of views, making this issue about anything else than guns is simply pants-on-head crazy and/or very dishonest.

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Quick, Wayne LaPierre needs to get back on that luxury yacht.

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Last week, the Republican governor signed legislation that will make Tennessee the latest state to allow most adults 21 and older to carry handguns — openly or concealed — without first clearing a background check and training. Lee backed the legislation over objections from law enforcement groups, who argued that the state’s existing permit system provided an important safeguard for knowing who should or shouldn’t be carrying a gun.

But let me guess, trying to keep that safeguard in place is just another example of Libruhls takin' yur guns and destroying the country for law abiding citizens. Because....everything is, apparently.

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let’s say there is no gun, we don’t have guns at all, someone will find other ways to kill people

Guns are the most dangerous thing as they are designed to end lives, and have no other purpose. Without guns, there would be not be the mass killings that we see today. People aren't trying to "punish law abiding citizens", they're trying to save lives.

We know that gun bans work, because other countries that have banned guns don't have this problem.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Liberal and crushing the second amendment. The only problem with this analysis is it simply isn’t true. 

It is true. I have a question, besides trying to punish all of us law abiding citizens, why is this for the left an only one-sided approach? What motivates a person to want to pick up a gun or shoot people, let’s say there is no gun, we don’t have guns at all, someone will find other ways to kill people, so there is something deeper going on than guns ans the left doesn’t want to factor in other possible contributing factors as to what else could be the cause for someone to do this. We need not only to enforce the gun laws that are already in place, we also need to mentally screen a root out potential violent people from purchasing or getting their hands on firearms if they are determined to be mentally unstable, now you would be approaching this problem from various angles and might find a better solution, but the over-reactionary hyper-partisan war on guns won’t solve anything or better the nation and the safety of it if the left focuses on just the guns only.

Just like speech can be regulated,

AKA: silencing right opposition or free speech altogether if it doesn’t adhere to liberal group think.

so can firearms. Your birthday shouldn’t be the only qualification allowing you to purchase firearms.

Why not? Besides registering the serial number of the firearm, you don't really need anything else, except maybe a certification that you passed all mental evaluation tests.

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This is a school shooting, and it's not even the top story on US websites right now. That's where we are in the US.

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According to ABC news @zichi 9:20a:

“Police said they responded to reports of a possible gunman in the school around 3:15 p.m.

Authorities say a student fired at officers and was killed by police.

Tennessee Bureau of Investigation Director said at a news conference Mon that police responded to a report of a possible gunman at the school.

Says the officers encountered him in a bathroom and ordered him out but he wouldn't comply. Says that's when he reportedly opened fire, and police fired back.

The student died at the school and an officer was wounded and was taken into surgery.

The rest of the students are believed physically unharmed and safe.

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As i keep saying the USA is out of control. Fuuny that press loves to talk about Japanese school rules while at the same time the chools in the west are war zones.

Is the US out of control or is it the West?

The Western media doesn’t care about Japanese school rules.

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As i keep saying the USA is out of control. Schools in the west are war zones.

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Are the schools and children safe?

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Yawn, thoughts and prayers, move on till next week.

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@Falco

How long will it take to get some real gun regulation? This shooting epidemic has been going since Obama’s first term.

The number of mass shootings between 1982-2021 was the highest in 2018 when your boy trump was in office. You know the president that incited insurrection!

Number of mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and March 2021

https://www.statista.com/statistics/811487/number-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us/

How long will it take to get some real gun regulation? This shooting epidemic has been going since trump’s ONLY term.

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@Wolfpack

When will America culture turn away from the sick Leftism that is destroying families and the Cultural Marxism that is dividing people on every fault line possible? Guns have always been a part of American culture. The detachment and social estrangement that people feel from their families, communities, and nation is a unique phenomenon in American history. No one, absolutely no one, feels any kind of social or cultural unity anymore. Combine guns and a sick culture where no one feels responsible for one another and you get what exists in America today.

Yep, you are right! Guns have been in America from the murdering of the Native American to steal their land, enslaving Africans, fighting more Mexicans over landing, controlling Japanese internment camps, and fighting a civil war to keep slavery, to using guns to enforce Jim Crow laws and Black codes! Not to mention, whenever entitled angry racist white mobs decided to attack Black, Asian, Native American, or Latino communities because they felt those groups were just doing to well!

The only time organizations like the NRA and Republicans wanted gun control was when Black people started amassing legally acquired forearms too! Go figure!

or maybe this why:

NRA lobbyist says guns were a 'great equalizer for the blacks' after the Emancipation Proclamation while arguing in support of a Wisconsin bill scrapping concealed carry permits

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4560358/NRA-lobbyist-says-guns-equalizer-blacks.html

Did the family unit get destroyed before or after the ending of overt chattel slavery?

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Guns don't kill people.

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When will America culture turn away from the sick Leftism that is destroying families and the Cultural Marxism that is dividing people on every fault line possible? 

What are they talking about? The tale varies in the telling, but the theory of cultural Marxism is integral to the fantasy life of the contemporary right. It depends on a crazy-mirror history, which glancingly reflects things that really happened, only to distort them in the most bizarre ways.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/19/cultural-marxism-a-uniting-theory-for-rightwingers-who-love-to-play-the-victim

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When will America culture turn away from the sick Leftism that is destroying families and the Cultural Marxism that is dividing people on every fault line possible? 

Haha, that's funny :)

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It seems that the police got this one right. Good on them and I wish the officer a speedy recovery.

There might be something going on here that we don’t yet know about given the 3 shootings nearby recently.

As a gun owner in America, I too feel that we are in desperate need of legislation to reduce the militarization of society. It’s just screwed up.

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Waiting for gun lovers to pivot the discussion to anything other than guns kill and America has a gun problem.

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When will America culture turn away from the sick Leftism that is destroying families and the Cultural Marxism that is dividing people on every fault line possible? Guns have always been a part of American culture. The detachment and social estrangement that people feel from their families, communities, and nation is a unique phenomenon in American history. No one, absolutely no one, feels any kind of social or cultural unity anymore. Combine guns and a sick culture where no one feels responsible for one another and you get what exists in America today.

Biden can use an executive order to ban and take guns away from every single citizen in the country but the sickness will still be there and the deaths and mental distress will not end. There is no silver bullet to fix America’s social rot.

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@Falco

There will be no way to "reposess" the MILLIONS of guns that are circulating in America. Most of the time, the guns used in School schootings come from the students home. When a gun in used in a School shooting, the parents should be liable as if the gun was properly locked there would be no way to use it. My father was a GunSmith, and I grew up with guns all around me, some even loaded. My father taught me at a young age to respect firearms. Making guns illegal or writing laws will do nothing. Look at drugs in Mexico for example. Drugs are Illegal, but guess what the highest paying job in Mexico is? You guessed it! Being a drug dealer!

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A country full of angry and stressed people with very easy access to weapons. An openly racist, undertrained and militarized police officers who they first shoot and then ask questions. A misunderstood second amendment in which ignorant people believe that guns are a "God's given right" when in truth it's just a privilege. A country of hypocritical conservatism and false christianity with poorly educated happy-trigger people who they have a sick cult of gun worship and self-centered individualism based in their false theory of "American Exceptionalism". A corrupt and immensely hypocritical political party that is indolent with racism, white supremacy and armed violence, that confuses freedom with debauchery and like prostitutes are sold to the terrorist organization of the National Rifle Association and with each shooting happens they only say "thoughts and prayers" instead of doing something for the country and ending the immense armed violence..

This looks like it will never end, what a sick third world country !!..

I understand why many Americans especially African-Americans feel so much safe, respected, happy and better in Japan !!..

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Yawn...... Yet another....Zzzz

And nothing will be done.

Why bother reporting?

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Tragic.

Further evidence that the US has a severe firearms issue and needs stricter firearms control laws.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Liberal and crushing the second amendment. The only problem with this analysis is it simply isn’t true.

Just like speech can be regulated, so can firearms. Your birthday shouldn’t be the only qualification allowing you to purchase firearms.

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Hearts and thoughts and vibes and feely feelies go out to the ethmeral universe. When is the American gov going to actually DO something?

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How long will it take to get some real gun regulation? This shooting epidemic has been going since Obama’s first term.

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The school was the subj of media reports in Feb after 3 students were fatally shot over 3-weeks. Those earlier shootings did not take place in the school, and administrators, at the time, said students felt the arts magnet school was a safe space, accord to the Knoxville News Sentinel.

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Unbelievable. In the ‘greatest country in the world’ school kids are in danger of being murdered while at school.

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Another tragic event.

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