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6 dead, 30 wounded in shooting at Chicago-area July 4 parade; man detained

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'Cause nothing says essential liberty like shooting children on the 4th of July.

31 ( +38 / -7 )

The US in a nutshell...

Apple pie and mass shooting.

USA.. USA...

27 ( +35 / -8 )

What was the “guns are not the problem” argument again?

Seems like guns are very much the problem.

24 ( +31 / -7 )

The US has become an unstoppable arms race fair where the act of using a weapon to end a life has become a right..

What kind of freedom do they presume when you are not free to be in church, in the mall, in the street, living in fear that anywhere your life can end at any moment due to a shooting???...

Now medieval gun lovers continue to ignorantly flaunt their freedom with showing their pathetic assault rifles while real civil rights are being destroyed so much so that in this "democracy" a gun has more privileges than a woman..

"We’ve got so much freedom here in America, we can’t have an Independence Day parade without being shot."

“It was a quiet, peaceful, lovely morning, people were enjoying the parade,” Drell said. “Within seconds, to have that peacefulness suddenly ripped apart, it’s scary. You can’t go anywhere, you can’t find peace. I think we are falling apart.”

19 ( +27 / -8 )

The point is, how was it possible that this individual was able to get his hands on a firearm in a country that has the strictest firearms? Again, you want to hurt someone, where there is a will, there is a way.

Ok then. Why are there so many sick people in America compared to Denmark? What makes Americans so angry, dangerous and murderous compared to Danes?

18 ( +25 / -7 )

Of course, the right is gonna say "But, he could've killed 6 people and wound 24 by throwing knives from the rooftop". Yeah, right.

To the NRA, this is collateral damage. As long as they can keep their guns. Zygotes have more rights to them than fully grown men, women, and children.

15 ( +25 / -10 )

The point is, how was it possible that this individual was able to get his hands on a firearm in a country that has the strictest firearms? Again, you want to hurt someone, where there is a will, there is a way.

Your argument seems to be that if gun control isn't 100% effective, it's not worth having at all.

You know the reason mass shootings in Denmark are so rare? Gun control.

15 ( +19 / -4 )

How do Americans living in Japan survive without their guns? Does the separation from their weapon collections cause any psychological problems? They feel safe in Japan but not stateside.

15 ( +16 / -1 )

What kind of freedom do they presume when you are not free to be in church, in the mall, in the street, living in fear that anywhere your life can end at any moment due to a shooting???...

I think almost every year I receive some kind of offer from a few japanese companies to work/offer my services in the US, mostly in relatively mid-sized/small towns. But after having my son it all changed. I can't even imagine the pain of a father that lost their kid for pure gratuitous violence, shot down by a total stranger for absolutely no reason. You're attending the sunday church in your little town and the next moment you're gone.

Way too many unstable people wandering around just like in Japan or any other society, the difference is that they can't purchase guns at the local Walmart

14 ( +24 / -10 )

Denmark doesn’t have an archaic second amendment and one of the strictest gun policies in Europe and look what happened.

You mean look at what happens very very rarely in Denmark and Europe compared to what happens regularly in The US. Surely that’s what you mean?

Or perhaps you mean to talk more about black people, uniquely American mental illness, the left and Democrat cities.

14 ( +22 / -8 )

Honestly, you might just as well leave this up as a permanent headline and just change the numbers, the place and the date whenever each incident occurs.

14 ( +19 / -5 )

Bigger and more diverse population as opposed to a culturally more diverse nation, also I can’t quantify why these mentally ill people want to go on a rampage and harm others whether it’s by a gun, knife or other dangerous means.

Free health care and education, a robust social safety net where unemployment and age does not carry the threat of homelessness and loss of insurance, less absurd,unearned inequality....and more restricted access to guns.

Fixed it for you.

14 ( +17 / -3 )

NemoToday  06:47 am JST

What was the “guns are not the problem” argument again?

Seems like guns are very much the problem.

Basically, "there's no problem with archaic 18th Century legislation, mental health is the real issue."

Never mind that mental health is a serious problem in many countries, yet it's only the USA where mentally ill people can grab some heavy artillery and go out and kill as many people as they please.

13 ( +20 / -7 )

Nothing says USA like shootin' and a 4th of July parade.  

Another mass shooting and more thought and prayers by politicians. Nothing will change from this massacre, mass shootings are just something Americans will live with because guns are more important. 

This breaks my heart when I think of those families looking to celebrate and met with this!

12 ( +17 / -5 )

This is acceptable to gun owners.

12 ( +22 / -10 )

I hope the Supreme Court and the NRA are proud of themselves. And all you gun fanatics out there, this is what happens when you make it easy for any schmuck to buy a high powered firearm. When any idiot can buy a gun you get a lot of complete idiots owning guns. You talk about your 2nd Amendment rights but what about my right to live my life peacefully without having to look over my shoulder night and day worried I might be gunned down before I was even aware there was someone out their with bad intent and a gun? You 2nd Amendment fanatics make it impossible for us to have calm decent lives. Easy access to high powered firearms is a curse. You live by the gun, you will probably die by the gun. That is emphatically not how I or any of my family want to go.

This isn't "global elites" trying to take your guns and enslave you talking. This is someone who grew up with people shooting guns off all the time and who has been shot at on a couple of occasions who is simply sick of the constant death and injury of gunplay, of having to hide on New Years and 4th of July while what seemed like half a city fired their guns into the air, worried one of those bullets will come down through the roof and kill me or my loved ones. This is from someone who has been out making deliveries at night while people were shooting guns, including fully automatic guns, nearby. It is no fun when you have to consciously position yourself during deliveries in ways to minimize your exposure to gunfire, but that was my life when I drove trucks. All because a minority of the population and some big companies insist on unrestricted access to military grade semi-automatic firearms and high capacity magazines". I drove around for a good 25 years with a bullet in the quarter panel of my eldest Audi, something I collected on my way home from work one afternoon until a traffic collision repair allowed it to be removed. Never saw the shooter, didn't realize I had been shot till I got home and saw the bullet hole in the tail light and a big dent in the steel behind the tail light housing. I've had windows shot out of a loaded school bus I was driving in LA circa 1979. Glass everywhere, on the kids too. One bullet popped the window right behind my head, so I was pretty lucky. So pardon me if I have no patience for people with guns any more. I am sick and tired of them. Guns are a threat and need to go. No apologies.

12 ( +19 / -7 )

Chicago has been a shooting gallery for decades.

Basically a daily occurrence.

And your point besides trying to belittle the suffering of others is???

11 ( +28 / -17 )

And the carnage shall continue for as long as GUNS are out of control.

11 ( +15 / -4 )

Not at all, that’s why I became a NRA member and huge 2nd amendment supporter. There is your answer.

I know, freedom isn’t free. Some kids will have to die so you can keep your guns. That’s the price of freedom.

11 ( +21 / -10 )

I can’t quantify why these mentally ill people want to go on a rampage and harm others whether it’s by a gun, knife or other dangerous means.*

Because from the moment they slide down the birth canal Americans are propagandized into believing that extreme violence is the way to solve their problems. The American Empire is based on state violence on a massive scale directed against anyone who will not accede to American demands.

11 ( +18 / -7 )

not like there were not already 60 people shot and 15 killed this weekend in Chicago even before this happened.

Were they children? All shot in one place on a 4th of July parade? No?

Then you can see why this is a major news story and those it’s aren’t.

Any comments on this tragedy or are you more interested in talking about anything else? Black gang related crime for example? Anything but this?

He had tattoos and was a rapper. Haven’t you tried the gang angle yet? Did he buy the gun illegally? Did his friends and family all say he was mentally ill? Maybe he played video games, try that one for size.

10 ( +11 / -1 )

More Anti-4th Liberals doing what they do best in a Blue State, but no reports of the gun shootings on a daily bases in Chicago.

why red states constantly rank in the highest violent crime per capita and homicides per capita, once again the stats proving the republican's wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate

10 ( +11 / -1 )

There have been over 250 mass shootings so far in 2022.

There hasn't been a single week in 2022 without a mass shooting, where four or more people are injured or killed, in the United States.

10 ( +10 / -0 )

The same country that goes round the world telling other countries what to do when it can't even govern itself.

9 ( +16 / -7 )

Just another day in the most dangerous western nation by far. It is so easy to obtain guns legally there, this won't change. There will almost certainly be another mass shooting in a few days.

Denmark doesn’t have an archaic second amendment and one of the strictest gun policies in Europe and look what happened.

Are you seriously comparing Denmark - where a shooting is incredibly rare - to the US where shootings are an everyday occurrence?

Unbelievable.

Anyone who willingly chooses to work in or even visit the US is reckless and does not value life as much as they should.

9 ( +18 / -9 )

Not at all, that’s why I became a NRA member and huge 2nd amendment supporter. 

Absolutely sickening.

9 ( +18 / -9 )

bass4funkToday  07:36 am JST

Denmark doesn’t have an archaic second amendment and one of the strictest gun policies in Europe and look what happened.

How many mass shooting have there been in Denmark in the last 30yrs? How many mass shootings have there been in the US in the last 30yrs? Do you understand what the word 'frequency' means.

Any country can have the odd mass shooting. It's an entirely different matter when they occur with the frequency that they do in the US. That's the basic point which not surprisingly you can't grasp.

9 ( +14 / -5 )

yes somehow in liberal Chicago 15 people getting murdered (including kids) and 60 people shot is just a "normal weekend"

yet red states still rank worse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate

9 ( +10 / -1 )

burgeoning mass political insanity

I absolutely agree, it seems Americans can’t have a political conversation and differences with out insults, crazy propaganda and violence.

At the end of the day the media has(sadly) weaponized everyday Americans against each other.

8 ( +11 / -3 )

Ok then. Why are there so many sick people in America compared to Denmark?

Bigger population.

Ok. What makes Americans more dangerous than Europeans? Europe has a bigger population.

Bigger and more diverse population as opposed to a culturally more diverse nation

Same question. Europe is culturally extremely diverse. Don’t see many mass shootings in Europe. Why is that? What could it be? Less doors?

8 ( +15 / -7 )

Interesting how America has both a larger population AND a higher number PER CAPITA of mass shootings than basically the rest of the world combined.

Do we have an unusually high number of crazy people or could it possibly be the stupidly simple access to capacity guns?

Several years ago, I was in a Walmart when they still sold guns (10-12 years ago) in Colorado on vacation with the kids. I asked the sales man in the gun department out of curiosity “If I told you I wanted to buy that AR on the wall, ( I believe I also inquired about 5 extra mags and 300 rounds of ammo, but full disclosure: my memory fails me. This might have been after Walmart stopped selling ammunition.), how long till I walked out the front door purchases in hand.”

He said “If the phone lines are not busy and you don’t have any outstanding warrants or priors, 25 min.”

I said “Look, I know it’s your job but don’t you think that’s insane?”

”Yes. It’s ridiculous.”

Its stupidly - simple legal access to high capacity semiautomatic weapons that is the core problem here.

And THATS from a life-long gun owner.

8 ( +14 / -6 )

The bottom line is, you can come down on the US and our second amendment if you want, that’s ok, but it’s not going anywhere, nor should it. If people don’t like the US and want to leave, it’s their choice, if people don’t want to visit, they don’t have to. We don’t want to be like Europe, that’s the reason why we left it. Europe can do what it wants and the US can do what it wants. I don’t care how Europeans live on conduct their lives, I’m an American and I care what happens in the US. 

So, as has been stated numerous times. The bottom line is gun violence is acceptable to you. It’s as American as apple pie, like it or leave. At least you’re finally being semi honest about it.

8 ( +17 / -9 )

Pretty obvious which country both incites, enables (leading seller of arms worldwide by a huge margin), glorifies (Top Gun, Avengers, etc) and carries out the most violence.

8 ( +13 / -5 )

I cannot comprehend why one would keep a high powered automatic assault rifle in a suburban community.

I once, whilst working in France had the opportunity to visit a shooting range, my early twenties

Try it, it is exhilarating experience, the smell, the rapid fire. The array of weaponry all with the expert help and guidance of trained staff, at a eye watering cost.

I can understand the sport.

It is when a person stops wreaking havoc on wood and cardboard.

And starts shooting at families out celebrating a July 4 parade.

It is perhaps then time to take a deep breath.

8 ( +10 / -2 )

Video shot by a Sun-Times journalist after the gunfire rang out shows a band on a float continuing to play as people run past, screaming.

And on Independence Day. Mass shootings are becoming a new symbol of American democracy.

https://medium.com/@tamcgath/you-wont-say-it-so-i-will-capitalism-is-the-underlying-cause-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us-8266508ccdfe

7 ( +11 / -4 )

Terrible tragedy but sadly predictable, at this point it is terribly clear that the population of the US value more their right to have easy access to guns than their right to be safe from senseless violence. At some point people will just have to accept this as the price of living in a democracy where the majority loves more their guns than their children.

7 ( +18 / -11 )

land of the free, cant even be free on July 4th.

liberty justice for all, WAFJ

7 ( +12 / -5 )

But guns don't kill people. People do...

Classic 'murica.

Oh I know what we should do to prevent another shooting. Raise the age of gun ownership to 23. Also, let's ban the morning after pill and other contraceptives. That should solve the shootings right away...

What's that, attack the 2nd Amendment? How dare you? Amendments cannot be amended...

Or

We can simply wait for the next one, which could be anytime now. Next week? Maybe.

7 ( +8 / -1 )

yes somehow in liberal Chicago 15 people getting murdered (including kids) and 60 people shot is just a "normal weekend"

You do understand that if the media reported every gun death in The US, every day, the newspaper would be the size of a phone book. You would need a 24 hour news channel devoted just to reporting shootings. You do understand this, right? Tell me you do.

7 ( +9 / -2 )

Clearly the street had too many doors and not enough metal detectors or armed guards. A tragedy waiting to happen.

But now is not the time to talk about guns, it’s a time for healing thoughts and prayers.

6 ( +17 / -11 )

A gunman on a rooftop opened fire on an Independence Day parade in suburban Chicago on Monday, killing at least six people, wounding at least 30 and sending hundreds of marchers, parents with strollers and children on bicycles fleeing in terror

This young man was obviously part of a well-regulated Militia.

6 ( +14 / -8 )

They need more good guys with guns. Too many bad guys with guns. They need more guns. If everyone has a gun, and we are pretty sure the majority of people are good guys, the good guys win, right?

6 ( +10 / -4 )

We have less terrorist attacks than Europe so I do believe the second amendment places a huge role in that.

LOL its becuase you dont share a land mass for Terrorist to easily travel to Europe.

So it depends on your outlook as to which nation is more violent because there are a lot of variables when you put it in that context, but I get your point,

its not, US violent crime rate, homicide rate is higher than every democratic European country, some 4 to 5 times higher, those are the facts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

6 ( +11 / -5 )

Change will never be achieved by dictating and demanding America must make changes to there constitution, in this case the cherished "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.".

It will only be achieved at the ballot box by the American people. Whether Republican or Democrat there appears least on the surface, no universal appetite for change. Or else change would have happened long ago.

6 ( +7 / -1 )

Actually, SHOOTERS are the 'problem'

Then that means any gun such as the M134 Minigun should be allowed to be bought at the local Bass Pro Shop just as easily as a BB gun. It says "shall not be infringed" and that means ANY gun including military level to protect against tyranny.

even with 'gun control', would have no difficulty finding a weapon. We'll see...

Japan?

5 ( +13 / -8 )

You know, there was a time when an average Joe wanting to buy one of these high capacity semiautomatic rifles was in and of itself a red flag.

Normal people asked “For what possible reason would a normal person want to own one of those?”

”Because Freedom!” Wasn’t considered a rational response.

“I need to defend my home.” A shotgun would serve those needs much better.

”Hunting” Dude, what kind of crap marksman are you?

“Sport shooting” There are more accurate rifles at a longer range. There’s a reason that most sniping rifles are bolt-action.

”Because I WANT one.” Back to the red flag....

5 ( +12 / -7 )

Just waiting for the NRA to issue a statement vehemently stating that "guns are not the issue here!" This shooting makes what, the fourth or fifth one in the States this year? Apparently it's not nearly enough of a deterrent to tighten gun laws so I guess people are just going to have to invest in kevlar now.

5 ( +9 / -4 )

I’ve come across some people here who say they “love” guns and collect them.

Are these high-powered rifles more attractive?

Just trying to understand the mentality.

5 ( +6 / -1 )

I cannot comprehend why one would keep a high powered automatic assault rifle in a suburban community.

it’s pretty easy to understand actually. When everyone else is armed to the teeth and you’re not you’re at an obvious disadvantage

not like there were not already 60 people shot and 15 killed this weekend in Chicago even before this happened.

there it’s is! Knew it was coming. Surprised it took this long! White grievance still lives on! Knew you wouldn’t let us down, dude!

5 ( +6 / -1 )

yes somehow in liberal Chicago 15 people getting murdered (including kids) and 60 people shot is just a "normal weekend"

oh how quickly republicans forget about Vegas

5 ( +5 / -0 )

What would the Founding Fathers make of their 2nd Amendment now? Millions were killed by gun homicides.

5 ( +7 / -2 )

Well why aren't there.even rudimentary mental health checks before purchasing a gun if there are many nut jobs running around?

The best way to protect yourselves is to try to prevent bad guys from having guns especially powerful ones.

Isn't that what the US is trying to do to NK and Iran fornexample, who are just asserting their right to arm and defend themselves?

5 ( +5 / -0 )

How much will Hannity and Tucker be covering this? This is not gang violence. This happened in White-ville and it seems so far the shooter is white. But it the shooter was black then Tucker would be all over this. The approval of the high powered rifle comes from the Trump side and that's why Rush Limbaugh won't be covering this on Fox.

4 ( +14 / -10 )

Happy 4th of July in America!

The NRA needs to be dismantled!

4 ( +14 / -10 )

The US in a nutshell...

Apple pie and mass shooting.

USA.. USA...

Land of the slave, home of the scared..

4 ( +12 / -8 )

They need more good guys with guns. Too many bad guys with guns. They need more guns. If everyone has a gun, and we are pretty sure the majority of people are good guys, the good guys win, right?

Nope because the bad guys shoot first.

So there should at least be checks and limits when acquiring guns

4 ( +5 / -1 )

@Bass

I hope you can help answer my question. You told me you “love” guns and have an extensive collection including high-powered rifles.

Do you love your guns equally or are the more devastating ones your favourites?

I’m not being facetious here. I’m trying to understand the mentality.

4 ( +7 / -3 )

the perp is likely a suicidal upper middleclass young White who, even with 'gun control', would have no difficulty finding a weapon. We'll see...

This is bizarre. I think all of the mass shooters I can think of would have had a miniscule chance of obtaining a gun if there had been an iota of gun control, because contrary to popular wrong right-wing belief, most mass shooters have not been poor, illiterate "criminals" who got their guns from some shady guy in the 'hood, but instead were pretty regular normal men with mental problems.

3 ( +9 / -6 )

Can you find it somewhere deep in your heart to reprimand ALL gun violence instead of mass shootings?

Deflection and denial. That’s all you have, Nomination. Oh, forgot the whataboutism.

All gun violence is bad and again, it’s easy access to semiautomatic weapons that in the cases you stress are purchased in low-regulation states and shipped to high-regulation states illegally.

The problem is still easy access to guns. Thanks for making my arguments for me.

That THIS shooting is especially heinous, that on THIS day, Americans cannot be particularly outraged at people getting shot while gathering for a picnic only seems to escape the understanding of those who think that unfettered gun access to high capacity semiautomatic weapons is a good idea.

They use the entirely too common inner-city violence to minimize or draw equivalence where there is none.

I think that most sentient beings recognize your “argument” for what it is: utter bunk. I’d use a more descriptive term, but that would be “impolite” or “vulgar”...

3 ( +11 / -8 )

Don't judge a book by its cover, but the first photos of the alleged shooter really do give the impression he isn't all there.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

Just trying to understand the mentality.

It's meant to address a compensation issue. If you're not a part of that clique, it won't make any sense.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

Anti 4th of July Rhetoric…

perhaps you could tell us just what the heck those of us who see rights not explicitly written into a 1787 document penned by slave owners as sacrosanct have to celebrate this year? Give it a shot, dude! Don’t forget that 5 of those wonderful 6 were appointed by Presidents who lost the populate vote, including at least 2 who lied under oath during their hearings, and one who was appointed 8 days prior to an election that said president lost. But by all means, tell us to stop whining. Of course we’ll follow the orders of our betters…

3 ( +4 / -1 )

bass4funk,

That is an astonishing array of hardware/weaponry.

Do you belong to a club or range?

Sorry to ask this question, would you, if events necessitated aim a firearm at a would be assailant?

My Great Grandfather once said to me, he served in WW2, that he had nightmares from the war. He killed in anger not in self defence.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

A gun is a preferred weapon in homicides.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

Crimo arrested in custody

2 ( +3 / -1 )

Precisely why people feel a need to carry guns to protect themselves from terrorists.

The cost of the USA supposedly freedom isn't free from suffering unfortunately.

Glad he's in custody.

My sincere condolences to the injured ,perished and emotionally terrorized citizens trying to enjoy a holiday.

Personally living in Japan is a sense of freedom because we don't all need to carry guns or weapons or live in constant fear.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

Kurumazaka2.1

I have never visited US, yet.

Just a thought,

How does one make the conscious decision that a threat exists to run and point that firearm?

I would imagine that most would know there neighbours and community. Gossip etc.

That is before pulling the trigger and possibility ending a life.

We are all infallible, errors of judgement can't be rectified once you have pulled the trigger.

Fear panic makes us infallible.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

itsonlyrocknroll

but the topic is not about the military or law enforcement and their weapons.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

Another deranged young man with a deadly military style assault rifle.

He’s probably suicidal, so he may be dead already.

1 ( +8 / -7 )

Just your typical day in the 'land of the free', nothing out of the ordinary. By the way, I'm wondering why a detailed description of the suspect's appearance wasn't given.

1 ( +7 / -6 )

I meant fallible sorry!

1 ( +1 / -0 )

WA, Highland Park is mostly White affluent city

0 ( +7 / -7 )

That’s not entirely true.

Mandalay Bay Las Vegas? Also how about Patrick Crusius?

0 ( +6 / -6 )

Thanks to common sense my country will not allow the freedom of the 2nd amendment. We have no mass shooting. The price of freedom is when a dad drop your children of at school weather you give them the biggest hug and kiss because in his 2 nd amendment mind he fearful of never seeing his children again.

0 ( +3 / -3 )

The NRA is scrambling now to hold a conference in suburban Chicago.

-1 ( +10 / -11 )

I’m actually emphatically pro 2nd. If guns are outlawed only criminals and Right wing whack jobs will have guns.

my advise to the LGBTQ community is get armed and trained now. As Thomas has made clear, they are coming for you next. And before any of you state that can’t happen, the State of Florida as released a packet for educators informing them that the constitutional separation of church and state is bunk.

reality is what it appears to be.

my only hope is that traditionally republican leaning libertarians will figure out that the religious right doesn’t do “live and let live,” and vote their interests

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

@Simon Foston

Yet its only the USA where mentally ill people can grab some heavy artillery and go out and kill as many people as they choose

Thats completely incorrect !

Are you even aware of world events right now ?

The USA is definitely not the only place on earth where mentally ill people go out and kill as many people as they please !

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

Now, sooner or later, must occur to that US Marine, the finger pulling the trigger, maybe at the behest of the politics of Government policy.

The so called, alleged shooter that brought this 4th of July celebration to a blood bath, could be fully compos mentis.

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

He said “If the phone lines are not busy and you don’t have any outstanding warrants or priors, 25 min.”

I said “Look, I know it’s your job but don’t you think that’s insane?”

”Yes. It’s ridiculous.”

I was walking down an alley off of Skid Row in downtown L.A. A man standing by an 85 Cadillac Coupe DeVille waved me over and opened the trunk. To my surprise, there was a full arsenal of guns and magazines. He asked if I was interested and I laughed it off. So I asked out of curiosity if I would need a background check if I decided to purchase. He laughed and said of course not. He then went on to say that 99% of guns on the streets were unlicensed and purchased from men like him. Go figure!

-2 ( +3 / -5 )

They use the entirely too common inner-city violence to minimize or draw equivalence where there is none.

It was a simple yes or no question, will you reprimand it if Japan posts an article about a drive-by shooting?

-3 ( +4 / -7 )

And your point besides trying to belittle the suffering of others is???

Can you find it somewhere deep in your heart to reprimand ALL gun violence instead of mass shootings? I'd like to hear you reprimanding gun violence on this site if a murder happens within an innercity and Japan Today posts about it. Can you do that?

-5 ( +5 / -10 )

More Anti-4th Liberals doing what they do best in a Blue State, but no reports of the gun shootings on a daily bases in Chicago.

Ohhh as if there weren't shootings in conservative states...

You are a better comedian than Zelenskyy..

Ba dum tss !!!...

-5 ( +4 / -9 )

I would feel safe if I had a gun. Even safer if I had 2 of them.

-6 ( +7 / -13 )

WARUI WARUI!! This is why I want to move back to my Nihon home where its nice and safe!!

-9 ( +11 / -20 )

Just an anomaly, which is why it is a lead story.

This type of shooting is extremely rare in a country with more than 330 million people, and as many or more guns; makes it show how slight the chances are anyone would ever encounter such an incident.

Similar to the shooting in Denmark the other day---both extremely rare occurrences.

-9 ( +2 / -11 )

Chicago has been a shooting gallery for decades.

Basically a daily occurrence.

Walmart stopped selling guns ages ago.

-10 ( +17 / -27 )

yeah, the media just kinda dropped that one, like the Christmas parade SUV attack. and the NY subway. and, and.....(all the ones where liberals or non whites did it)

So what happened in Vegas in the end?

-11 ( +2 / -13 )

LOL its becuase you dont share a land mass for Terrorist to easily travel to Europe.

You can look at it from any angle you like.

There are many contributing factors to that, it’s not a one sized glove fit, Europe has its own problems and do US has its own problems as well and more people die from fentanyl poisoning then they do from using a gun, more people die from knife attacks and stabbings then by a gun.

But I get it, Europe good and America bad. Anyway, I’ll keep it, love my country and wouldn’t trade it or the second amendment for the world. We not perfect, but we’re happy and if people don’t like it. No one is forcing them to stay or live there. So if liberals think get rid of the 2nd amendment, good luck.

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"What was the “guns are not the problem” argument again?

Seems like guns are very much the problem."

Actually, SHOOTERS are the 'problem', and the ever burgeoning mass political insanity that is overtaking the U.S. which drives people who would otherwise be able to control their latent hostility over the line into violent acting out. Can a country which must domestically glorify violence and sow fear to justify impoverishing people to fund weapons and wars of proxy and domination escape the collateral effects of that domestic policy? By America's ever more fulminate insane hostility of American for American, no it cannot. And this is the result. What we see here is little different than a 'school shooting' and the perp is likely a suicidal upper middleclass young White who, even with 'gun control', would have no difficulty finding a weapon. We'll see...

-13 ( +12 / -25 )

This is acceptable to gun owners.

No, it’s not.

-13 ( +13 / -26 )

More Anti-4th Liberals doing what they do best in a Blue State, but no reports of the gun shootings on a daily bases in Chicago.

-14 ( +2 / -16 )

Any comments on this tragedy or are you more interested in talking about anything else? Black gang related crime for example? Anything but this?

To be fair you just want to talk about why we Americans don’t abolish our 2nd amendment and that Europe is better and we should be ashamed of ourselves for even expressing our love for our 2nd amendment. You didn’t say anything about this guy or his mental status.

He had tattoos and was a rapper. Haven’t you tried the gang angle yet? Did he buy the gun illegally? Did his friends and family all say he was mentally ill? Maybe he played video games, try that one for size.

We don’t know yet, but there can be a lot of truth to what you are saying

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You mean look at what happens very very rarely in Denmark and Europe compared to what happens regularly in The US. Surely that’s what you mean?

That wasn’t the point. The point is, how was it possible that this individual was able to get his hands on a firearm in a country that has the strictest firearms? Again, you want to hurt someone, where there is a will, there is a way.

Or perhaps you mean to talk more about black people, uniquely American mental illness, the left and Democrat cities.

That as well in a city that has the worst gun violence with the strictest gun laws in place in that state.

-16 ( +8 / -24 )

Ok then. Why are there so many sick people in America compared to Denmark?

Bigger population.

What makes Americans so angry, dangerous and murderous compared to Danes?

Bigger and more diverse population as opposed to a culturally more diverse nation, also I can’t quantify why these mentally ill people want to go on a rampage and harm others whether it’s by a gun, knife or other dangerous means.

-16 ( +6 / -22 )

So, as has been stated numerous times. The bottom line is gun violence is acceptable to you.

Not at all, that’s why I became a NRA member and huge 2nd amendment supporter. There is your answer.

-16 ( +9 / -25 )

Then you can see why this is a major news story and those it’s aren’t.

yes somehow in liberal Chicago 15 people getting murdered (including kids) and 60 people shot is just a "normal weekend"

-16 ( +1 / -17 )

Ok. What makes Americans more dangerous than Europeans? Europe has a bigger population. 

We have less terrorist attacks than Europe so I do believe the second amendment places a huge role in that. So it depends on your outlook as to which nation is more violent because there are a lot of variables when you put it in that context, but I get your point

Same question. Europe is culturally extremely diverse. Don’t see many mass shootings in Europe. Why is that? What could it be? Less doors?

You see more knife assaults, physical assaults in Europe on the other hand that the media under reports. The bottom line is, you can come down on the US and our second amendment if you want, that’s ok, but it’s not going anywhere, nor should it. If people don’t like the US and want to leave, it’s their choice, if people don’t want to visit, they don’t have to. We don’t want to be like Europe, that’s the reason why we left it. Europe can do what it wants and the US can do what it wants. I don’t care how Europeans live on conduct their lives, I’m an American and I care what happens in the US. The hating and name calling is not going to move me or other Americans, not even a millimeter. Illinois has the toughest gun laws in place and if the leaders don’t enforce them then this is the ultimate outcome has nothing to do with the land that you’re living in or your DNA.

-17 ( +8 / -25 )

You do understand that if the media reported every gun death in The US, every day, the newspaper would be the size of a phone book. You would need a 24 hour news channel devoted just to reporting shootings. You do understand this, right? Tell me you do.

Actually, it would be thicker if you talk about the fentanyl deaths, a lot thicker.

-18 ( +0 / -18 )

How many mass shooting have there been in Denmark in the last 30yrs?

That wasn’t the point.

How many mass shootings have there been in the US in the last 30yrs? Do you understand what the word 'frequency' means. 

Yes, and unlike most people I also know as a gun owner and collector it’s not as cut and dry as liberals and Europeans like to think.

Any country can have the odd mass shooting. It's an entirely different matter when they occur with the frequency that they do in the US. That's the basic point which not surprisingly you can't grasp.

Like I said, the left and outsiders can’t grasp all the details to the root causes of homicides, they just mouth off it’s the fault of the gun and get rid of it (as if we would listen what any outsider would say on the issue) if they want to bash or not take the time to understand our laws, let them, it’s ok.

-18 ( +0 / -18 )

Your argument seems to be that if gun control isn't 100% effective, it's not worth having at all.

We have it, it was just passed and there are more than enough laws on the books, it won’t mean anything.

You know the reason mass shootings in Denmark are so rare? Gun control.

But it still happened.

-20 ( +6 / -26 )

not like there were not already 60 people shot and 15 killed this weekend in Chicago even before this happened.

-20 ( +2 / -22 )

Basically, "there's no problem with archaic 18th Century legislation, mental health is the real issue."

Denmark doesn’t have an archaic second amendment and one of the strictest gun policies in Europe and look what happened.

Never mind that mental health is a serious problem in many countries, yet it's only the USA where mentally ill people can grab some heavy artillery and go out and kill as many people as they please.

That’s not entirely true. Either way it’s definitely a tragedy. Deepest condolences

-21 ( +12 / -33 )

Another mass shooting and more thought and prayers by politicians. Nothing will change from this massacre, mass shootings are just something Americans will live with because guns are more important. 

No, all the more reason why we need to uphold our 2nd amendment. Ask Taylor Swift if she believes it should be abolished.

This breaks my heart when I think of those families looking to celebrate and met with this!

Mine as well, most definitely.

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