Chicago police seek follow-up interview with Jussie Smollett

Theres so much 'hate' in the US that this clown had to orchestrate a hate crime against himself, paying two black guys to carry the fake attack out, and trying to blame Trump supporters.

Celebs who jumped to conclusion on this one: https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2019/02/17/15-celebrities-who-blamed-trump-deplorables-for-hoax-attack-on-jussie-smollett/

When I first heard about the noose in this story, I knew the guy made it all up. People don’t randomly walk around Chicago with a noose and confront a guy coming out of a Subway. This guy’s career is over.

Jussie Smollet on why he was "targeted":

" I come really hard against Trump. I come really hard against his administration, and I dont hold my tongue."

If this guy made this all up, he's a moron. It's not like they aren't going to investigate a crime that refers to lynching a black man. And why? It's not like there aren't crimes against black men already, he didn't have to create one.

...if he made it up.

Fake noose. Doesn’t even know any white people to pay to do it.

Booker said, "I'm going to withhold until all the information actually comes out from on the record sources."

couid have tried that the first time. No one finds it interesting he and Harris pushing anti lynching legislation at the same time as this?

I don’t see how jail would be appropriate in this case, as it would be purely punitive in this case, providing no rehabilitation that he likely won’t alteady receive for being caught up in a lie. And he’s not a danger to the public, so there isn’t a safety worry. And his getting exposed will provide more of a deterrent to any wannabe copycats.

I think some sort of community service would be appropriate.

... if he did it.

All the police resources, time and expense Jussie Smollet caused , not to mention the fake news generated and further diminishment of trust in the news media, and you want to let him off with community service??

Yes. I don’t see that the benefit of improsomment justifies the cost, for the reasons I gave above. I do find that service to the community however would provide a net benefit to society. imprisonment is a net cost to society.

Note that I am not American, and while I understand that America has a financially profitable prison system, which has in turn shaped American attitudes towards imprisonment as a means of dealing with societal issues, I aspire to a justifice system that is based on outcomes over punishment.

Heh, I got a negative vote, but no response, for this comment:

I aspire to a justifice system that is based on outcomes over punishment.

Just goes to show you that we live in the Age of Outrage. Outcomes don't matter to these people, outrage and punishment are what matter.

Strangerland, following your logic, Jussie Smollet, who must already be so ashamed and humiliated that he has supposedly learned his lesson (though hes still claiming that he told the truth) doesnt even need community service.

@Strangerland,

I agree with you in this case about community service if he did indeed set this up. A fine might be in order too since the police are run with tax dollars.

On the other aspect of your point, let's just say I prefer a more nuanced approach than sweeping statements like "outcomes over punishment."

Strangerland, following your logic, Jussie Smollet, who must already be so ashamed and humiliated that he has supposedly learned his lesson (though hes still claiming that he told the truth) doesnt even need community service.

No, that doesn't follow my logic.

On the other aspect of your point, let's just say I prefer a more nuanced approach than sweeping statements like "outcomes over punishment."

Well, it's probably not the most political statement to make in the Age of Outrage, because it essentially points out people's illogicality in wanting punishment even when it's at the cost of outcomes. This is more likely to annoy those people, than it is to have them suddenly realize that their outrage is counterproductive. Fortunately, I'm not a politician though, and can deal with their outrage.

Strangerland, you keep using the word "outrage", but I dont think that is what people are. feeling about the Jussie Smollet case.

Strangerland, you keep using the word "outrage", but I dont think that is what people are. feeling about the Jussie Smollet case.

Have you not been reading the comments? People are angry about this guy lying (if he did). Anger = outrage.

Smollett's lawyers said late Saturday that the actor felt "victimized" by reports that he played a role in the assault, adding that, "Nothing is further from the truth and anyone claiming otherwise is lying." 

Victim. Being a victim is the epitome of the modern social justice activist - and Smollett is a perfect example. His hatred of White America - who he holds responsible for electing Trump - has caused him to come unhinged. So he needed a story, a narrative to personalize his delusion of victimization. He and other activists in the media and entertainment know they have the dogmatic support of the news media. A mere accusation was enough to indict the MAGA hat wearing hoards of deplorables that he is forced to share a country with.

IMO, if this was indeed staged, this man needs to sincerely apologize to the people he bore false witness against, POTUS and his supporters, and all others engaged to investigate it.

Then he can do community service, to be of some help to people,

instead of being a nuisance.

Anger does not equal outrage.

Have you not been reading the comments? People are angry about this guy lying (if he did).

Heh, see:

Victim. Being a victim is the epitome of the modern social justice activist - and Smollett is a perfect example. His hatred of White America - who he holds responsible for electing Trump - has caused him to come unhinged. So he needed a story, a narrative to personalize his delusion of victimization. He and other activists in the media and entertainment know they have the dogmatic support of the news media. A mere accusation was enough to indict the MAGA hat wearing hoards of deplorables that he is forced to share a country with.

Anger does not equal outrage.

synonym.com begs to differ: https://www.synonym.com/synonyms/?term=anger

If found guilty, he should be asked to pay back the time and resources used for investigating the crime.

If found guilty, its ridiculous that he tried to stage a hate crime involving a noose and maga hats. Who cares about Maga hats. The people that wear them aren't racists, but rather desperate American's who feel the need to state their political views to everyone around them. Its more of a sign of ignorance than violence. I think the majority of people who wear them do so only exclusively at a rally anyways, which I think sounds normal. No different than a banner. But feeling the need to wear it to the supermarket sounds like either a desperate call for attention or a really terrible sense of fashion.

Guess his career is about to go down the drain.

Wolfpack, good post.

Heh, see:

People should be angry that someone is falsely stirring up racial and political animosity. There are enough problems to be dealt with it isn’t necessary to be making them up.

People should be angry that someone is falsely stirring up racial and political animosity. There are enough problems to be dealt with it isn’t necessary to be making them up.

I fully agree. But in anger, we also need to be logical. I was asked about sending this guy to jail, and I gave a logical answer about how I felt it would best be dealt with (if he did lie). The difference between anger and outrage is that people can be logical while angry, whereas outrage leads to illogical actions.

So basically no punishment for this guy (if he did it lol) but Dems state gleefully that Paul Manafort can die in prison.

If he's been lying, it is bad move. It will embolden the bigots out there - they will claim that racism is exaggerated or fake. What an idiot, if he's been lying.

Meanwhile, black people will continue to be harassed and murdered.

Good to see the outrage over falsehoods from the crowd that usually applaud daily lies from the White House.

Strangerland, oh so now there is a difference between anger and outrage, eh?

Toasted Heretic, so Jussies lies are only bad in that hes been caught out and it will “embolden the bigots”. ??

It's a bit beyond the pale that this is the thread everyone is commenting on.

So basically no punishment for this guy (if he did it lol)

No, none of us have advocated for no punishment.

Strangerland, oh so now there is a difference between anger and outrage, eh?

Yeah I explained it here:

The difference between anger and outrage is that people can be logical while angry, whereas outrage leads to illogical actions.

If he's been lying, it is bad move. It will embolden the bigots out there - they will claim that racism is exaggerated or fake. What an idiot, if he's been lying. 

I agree.

Meanwhile, black people will continue to be harassed and murdered.

That happens on a daily basis, but that has nothing to do with this story or the black on black crime.

Good to see the outrage over falsehoods from the crowd that usually applaud daily lies from the White House.

The White House? Smollett works in the White House????

Chip Star, every demokkkrat politician and virtue signalling celebritycommented on it bigtime when they thought it was true (lots of silence now - if they had any integrity theyd at least apologize). Whats your problem?

Jussies lies are only bad in that hes been caught out and it will “embolden the bigots”. ??

He didn't say it was "only" that.

They should make Smollett president and bring up the overall truthfulness of the the White House.

In that case Warren and Harris would be the greatest truth teller. ROFL!

In that case Warren and Harris would be the greatest truth teller.

But they're not in the White House. How about the serial liar that is?

Can you bring yourself to condemn his pathological falsehoods, without mentioning Democrats, previous incumbents etc?

But they're not in the White House. How about the serial liar that is?

Which Democrat? Take your pick.

Can you bring yourself to condemn his pathological falsehoods, without mentioning Democrats, previous incumbents etc?

No, I won’t give Democrats a pass because it makes you feel uncomfortable. No one said the President was perfect or doesn’t stretch the truth at times, but if the media would focus on the lies the Democrats as well as themselves every single day, they would surpass any lie the President is allegedly guilty of.

No, I won’t give Democrats a pass because it makes you feel uncomfortable. No one said the President was perfect or doesn’t stretch the truth at times, but if the media would focus on the lies the Democrats as well as themselves every single day, they would surpass any lie the President is allegedly guilty of.

So, you cannot condemn his daily lies.

Thought as much. I've slated the Democrats on plenty of occasions, so it doesn't make me feel uncomfortable. It just confirms the juvenile partisanship of Trumpists and how gullible they seem to be.

but if the media would focus on the lies the Democrats as well as themselves every single day

Fox news has been discussed endlessly over their lies, bias and dictating policy to the PotUS, perhaps you missed that?

Nothing to do with him that a gay black person lied and claimed victim hood to cause racial divisions.

If your racist President can set the example, it's hardly suprising that some people may misguidedly lie in order to bring balance to the whole mess that America has become.

Trump's rhetoric from day one has been causing racial divisions and the man claims he's the most victimised President ever.

Do you not see the irony of Trumpists jumping all over this story whilst failing to acknowledge the demagogue master of lies leading their country into the abyss?

 it's hardly suprising that some people may misguidedly lie in order to bring balance to the whole mess that America has become.

nonsense. This person has full and total responsibility for their own actions.

Same people who claim lying to Mueller is a felony with jail time recommend community service for lying about a racially charge hoax that led the entire nation to become even more divisive.

Same people who claim lying to Mueller is a felony with jail time recommend community service for lying about a racially charge hoax that led the entire nation to become even more divisive.

Yeah. You act as if they are equal or something.

So, you cannot condemn his daily lies. 

If they are indeed lies, then I would.

Thought as much. I've slated the Democrats on plenty of occasions,

Hmmm, don’t recall so....

Fox news has been discussed endlessly over their lies, bias and dictating policy to the PotUS, perhaps you missed that?

Yeah, the liberal msm hate alternate points of views.

If your racist President can set the example, it's hardly suprising that some people may misguidedly lie in order to bring balance to the whole mess that America has become.

Trump's rhetoric from day one has been causing racial divisions and the man claims he's the most victimised President ever.

Oh, stop! America was a mess before that when we had the last President and his Democrat posse ushering in the entire identity politics boondoggle. And now every minority is going around playing the victim game and Smollett is another example of that. Yes, you do have racists whites, but it seems the shoe is on the other foot and now you have what seems to be a racist trying to shove the blame on someone white. It’s pitiful, immoral and disgusting.

Do you not see the irony of Trumpists jumping all over this story whilst failing to acknowledge the demagogue master of lies leading their country into the abyss?

I see a lot of liberals running for the hills thinking on how to spin this one or how to justify this nuts actions.

If they are indeed lies, then I would.

His well-documented lies have been posted here numerous times. It's not my fault you dismiss them.

Hmmm, don’t recall so....

Same reply. I have said on many occasions that I am not a Democrat and I see them as only marginally better than the GOP. It's not my fault you chose to ignore the many times I've criticised liars and racists within that party as well.

Yeah, the liberal msm hate alternate points of views.

You asked about media lies, I give you an example and you deflect yet again.

Yes, you do have racists whites, but it seems the shoe is on the other foot and now you have what seems to be a racist trying to shove the blame on someone white. It’s pitiful, immoral and disgusting.

Interesting how much you've invested in this incident. Does it give a sense of legitimacy to supporting your racist PotUS and white supremacism in the US?

I see a lot of liberals running for the hills thinking on how to spin this one or how to justify this nuts actions.

You see liberals everywhere. I'd get your eyesight checked.

Strange how no liberals want “justice” in this case anymore.

Strange how Trumpists just make stuff up, a word salad of nothingness. If he is guilty, there needs to be some appropriate punishment. Maybe counselling.

After all, we all know how much Trumpists like to punish black people, guilty or not.

His well-documented lies have been posted here numerous times.

Yes and you’ll find the liberals lying more and not afraid to admit it.

I see them as only marginally better than the GOP.

Because theyre socialists. Why do Democrats like socialism so much and hate self-reliance? Because they have to work hard?

Interesting how much you've invested in this incident.

Because I loathe the double standard of Hollywood in the leads end of them thinking that they’re better than anyone else or better than any conservative and look what happened, you have this idiot trying to make false racist claims.

Strange how Trumpists just make stuff up, a word salad of nothingness.

Really? These people don’t even want closed borders, why would they want justice? Kind of an oxymoron.

If he is guilty, there needs to be some appropriate punishment. Maybe counselling.

After all, we all know how much Trumpists like to punish black people, guilty or not.

Democrats have been playing the race card for years and you would think they would Have learned something by now, but they haven’t and the quick to point out racism on whites, they are quick to label whites as racist, but will you point out the democrat leader ship in their failure to bring up Black neighborhoods within their communities. It’s because of their policies and their willingness to embrace identity politics and to use it to take advantage of situations that best suit their needs and Smollett is a prime example of that. I hope he gets fired and blacklisted from the set and pays a very hefty fine.

On Saturday, police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said the trajectory of the case had "shifted" — that two brothers who had been questioned had been released without charges and investigators wanted to speak to Smollett again . Guglielmi did not elaborate. On Sunday, he issued a statement saying that police "are not in a position to confirm, deny or comment on the validity of what's been unofficially released."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/smollett-developments-leave-baffled-others-outraged-232504615.html

Because theyre socialists. Why do Democrats like socialism so much and hate self-reliance? Because they have to work hard?

Self-reliance shrieks the man who had everything handed to him on a silver plate. Arf, arf!

Oh and if the Democrats were actually socialist, the upper echelons wouldn't be dismissing AOCs Green Deal and trying to muzzle the new recruits.

But to you, everyone outside of the GOP bizarro world is socialist.

I hope he gets fired and blacklisted from the set and pays a very hefty fine.

If guilty, he deserves appropriate punishment, yes. Of course, actual daily proven pathological liars still get your full support.

Self-reliance shrieks the man who had everything handed to him on a silver plate.

Yes and once I finished HS, that lifeline was cut.

Oh and if the Democrats were actually socialist, the upper echelons wouldn't be dismissing AOCs Green Deal and trying to muzzle the new recruits.

You can be a socialist and still know the difference for wanting to keep your base up and to keep your constituents happy. Don’t like DeBozo, but he is onto something. As for the rest of the Hollywood ilk, don’t have too much hope for them.

Democrats have been playing the race card for years and you would think they would Have learned something by now, but they haven’t and the quick to point out racism on whites

I think you mean Republicans are quick to point out racism on whites? It's hard to tell with the stream of consciousness stuff.

Not quite Joyce, but a struggle all the same.

Anyways, this proves my point. This incident (if it is a hoax) is perfect ammunition for the oppressed, rich white males out there who like to paint themselves as being the real victims of the race crisis in the US.

It beggars belief, it really does.

Don’t like DeBozo, but he is onto something.

You've got me there, I'm afraid I'm not familiar with this person.

Really? These people don’t even want closed borders, why would they want justice? Kind of an oxymoron.

No, no democrat wants open borders no matter how many times you repeat it.

I think you mean Republicans are quick to point out racism on whites?

As liberals won’t. The funny thing is, whites are people as well. But the only thing that liberals have going for them is race, it is their lifeline to achieve anything and when that lifeline is cut, they have nothing, so they fall back on identity politics or some Russian witch hunt.

Anyways, this proves my point. This incident (if it is a hoax) is perfect ammunition for the oppressed, rich white males out there who like to paint themselves as being the real victims of the race crisis in the US.

The Democrats can’t even fix Chicago and why would they? Remember, it’s always ok to discriminate if you are a White liberal, but a White conservative, now we can’t have something so outrageously racist. The Democrats get their votes and what else do they need to concern themselves with? Anyone being attacked regardless of color is wrong, there is no difference in accusing Whites of a crime as well as accusing Blacks of a crime, it’s all bad and this guy proved that there’s money to be mad in the grievance industry. Smollett is a textbook example of that.

No, no democrat wants open borders no matter how many times you repeat it.

Yes, they SAY they don’t want it, I agree, how their actions shows they don’t care especially after that opioid drug bust. But they did in 2013....

Beto - the dem fake mexican, and Warren - the dem fake native american sure sound like they want open borders.

And coincidentally, both vigorously supported the other fake - Jussie Smollet and his lies.

Yes, they SAY they don’t want it, I agree, how their actions shows they don’t care especially after that opioid drug bust.

That opiod bust at a port of entry. Let's be slightly accurate, "journalist."

But they did in 2013....

And they want much the same as they did then.

Repubes scuttled the bills in 2013, so we know they wanted open borders then and this current situation is completely manufactured.

Anyway, enough of your veering wildly off topic just to push inaccuracies and bash democrats/liberals. You have the rhetorical skills of a 7 year old.

And they want much the same as they did then

But oppose the President. Look, even Copperfield can’t Wand himself out of that fabrication. Yaaawn..

Endemic racism permeates your unfair society and no amount of word salad can take away the bitter taste of discrimination. 

Oh, please! Not just in the US, everywhere else, seen more than my share throughout Europe. So are you guys going to jump all over Smollett the way you did on Kavanagh and every other conservative or is this, we need to gather all thee facts first. Which excuse shall it be.

Same people who claim lying to Mueller is a felony with jail time recommend community service for lying about a racially charge hoax that led the entire nation to become even more divisive.

Lying under oath is a far different crime than lying under police questioning. Your outrage is based on a lack of information that caused you to draw a false equivalency. Try again.

Oh, please! Not just in the US, everywhere else, seen more than my share throughout Europe.

I asked you about this the other day and you refused to go into detail, so I'll take that with a pinch of salt. Not that racism doesn't exist outside the US, of course it does. And sometimes it's horrific. I just doubt your own account of it, that's all.

So are you guys going to jump all over Smollett the way you did on Kavanagh

I'm not you guys and I'd appreciate if you'd stop showing me the discourtesy of using that term, thanks.

I have addressed the Smollett allegations several times on this topic right here but you are ignoring them, as usual.

Once again: If Smollett has pepetrated a hoax, he deserves some form of punishment. As for BK, that's not over. But it has nothing to do with this case.

I asked you about this the other day and you refused to go into detail, so I'll take that with a pinch of salt. Not that racism doesn't exist outside the US, of course it does. And sometimes it's horrific.

Thank you.

I have addressed the Smollett allegations several times on this topic right here but you are ignoring them, as usual.

So you think he’s guilty? Good.

Once again: If Smollett has pepetrated a hoax,

“If” at this point there is No “if” he did, so what should happen to him?

I think he should be fired from the show, his character scrubbed and he should pay a hefty fine to some charity and give a public apology and renounce his racism.

I think he should be fired from the show, his character scrubbed and he should pay a hefty fine to some charity and give a public apology and renounce his racism.

Why do you not preach the same when the alleged offender is a right winger?

Go back and check what I said about Mark Sanford.

“If” at this point there is No “if” he did, so what should happen to him?

How do you know, where you there when it happened?

Just because police are asking for a follow up interview doesn't mean he did something. And you weren't there so you don't know what happened.

It always amazing me when certain posters claim to know as much or more than the people actually on the case.

How do you know, where you there when it happened? 

We asked the same thing about Kavanagh and it didn’t stop you guys from getting your pitch forks and torches out.

Just because police are asking for a follow up interview doesn't mean he did something. And you weren't there so you don't know what happened. 

No, we didn’t know either with Kavanagh or Stone but liberals said unequivocally, they’re guilty.

It always amazing me when certain posters claim to know as much or more than the people actually on the case.

You were reading my mind.

No, we didn’t know either with Kavanagh or Stone but liberals said unequivocally, they’re guilty.

And you're saying the same thing about Jussie Smollett.

If you're totally not partisan, why the difference in how you react to each incident?

Blacklabel, LOL!