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Toddler fatally shoots woman during work video call in Florida

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Guns do not make people safer.

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Toddler fatally shoots woman during work video call in Florida

Tragic, but should not have happened. I wonder what the justification will be for leaving a loaded weapon unattended, beyond the 2nd Amendment allows me and millions like me the 'freedom' to do stupid things that put other's lives at risk.

Just More wack fromFlorida.

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Get rid of the stupid guns already, America.

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Get rid of the stupid guns already…

Sorry, but guns are not stupid or intelligent. If anything is stupid here, then of course the toddler, also the person who let the unsecured gun anywhere unattended , probably the victim herself, but we don’t know that for now, and maybe some comments about it here and there.

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Sigh, Florida........

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If there's a gun in your house, the chances you're getting shot goes up.

If you are so dumb as to leave a loaded gun laying around the house, well.... Darwin.

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I'm surprised a toddler has the strength to pull the trigger.

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This is the most poorly written news article I have ever read. Why even start if you have absolutely no information to relay to your audience???

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An adult in the apartment left the firearm unsecured, police said. Investigators were working with the Seminole County State Attorney’s Office to determine whether charges will be filed.

"**A person who stores or leaves, on a premise under his or her control, a loaded firearm,** **and who knows or reasonably should know that a minor is likely to gain access to the firearm without the lawful permission of the minor’s parent or the person having charge of the minor, or without the supervision required by law, shall keep the firearm in a securely locked box or container or in a location which a reasonable person would believe to be secure or shall secure it with a trigger lock**, except when the person is carrying the firearm on his or her body or within such close proximity thereto that he or she can retrieve and use it as easily and quickly as if he or she carried it on his or her body."

Chapter 790 Section 174 - 2011 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate (flsenate.gov)

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I feel so sorry for this kid growing up, knowing that they killed their mother. Of course it’s totally not their fault but I am sure they’re going to have some kind of screwed up psyche thanks to the idiot who left the gun.

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A terrible tragedy for the these 2 children that are now motherless. Yes, 2 children in the home at time according to local media, WKMG-Orlando:

The gun belong to the toddler’s father and there was another child in the home” the station reported to the Orlando Sentinel newspaper. “Detectives are working with the Seminole-Brevard State Attorney’s Office to determine possible charges will be filed against the owner of the firearm.” -

Secure your guns !!

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Leaving loaded guns around the house with a toddler?

What could possibly go wrong?

I'm sure I'm not the only one on here whose first reaction was "serves her right".

But, there's now a motherless child with future trauma ....

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Pulling the trigger must have caused a recoil, and toddler must have dropped the weapon.

Investigation needed.

21 year old so young to die.

Hope the toddler, if identified as the shooter (youngest on Earth?), will not keep any memory about that event.

RIP.

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A loaded gun without the safety on left where a toddler could access it. Perhaps America should update their gun ownership laws to include an intelligence test.

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Any other country and you would be shocked, but America, no.

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It is stupid to keep a loaded, unsecured firearm in an apartment where a toddler can get their hands on it.

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Stupid people shouldn't have guns

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It is stupid to keep a loaded, unsecured firearm in an apartment where a toddler can get their hands on it.

And if you lock it away in a hard to get at place, it makes you wonder the purpose of having it in the first place.

Perhaps not the appropriate time for comedy, but Jim Jefferies' act very clearly explains the madness of many of the pro-gun arguments.

Warning: strong language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

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And if you lock it away in a hard to get at place, it makes you wonder the purpose of having it in the first place.

Balance, I guess. Although handguns load quickly, and modern gun safes can be opened pretty much immediately.

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To the commentators who mentioned America...This happened in the U.S., not entire America.

Anyway, I hope firearm becomes prohibited, like in Canada. To have it, people should go through a lot of regulations...

It's ridiculous how people can get firearms in the retail stores so easily in that country.

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Perhaps not the appropriate time for comedy, but Jim Jefferies' act very clearly explains the madness of many of the pro-gun arguments.

The good thing about comedy is it alllows for the exposure of controversial topics to ridicule and it clarifies arguments. It’s also the case that many of the best comedians are very intelligent people. Jefferies’ act on gun control is good stuff and he makes good arguments that guns pose a hazard to their owner. It’s a shame that comedy is increasingly being constricted by political correctness, cancel culture or whatever you want to call the erosion of free speech.

The continued problem that arises whenever a senseless tragedy like this occurs, and is held up by the media as newsworthy, is the failure to advance the debate any further. It doesn’t matter what arguments the critics have because their remedies are always un-Constitutional. There is a mechanism to abolish the civil right to “arms” but no one pushes for it. They prefer the sophistry of re-interpreting it away as if law written on paper is irrelevant. My eyes glaze over every time I hear the phrase ‘gun control’.

I understand that the second amendment was conceived at a time when nations were largely rural, but the American Founders knew that things change and they provided for an amendment process to keep the document current. If the gun control advocates continue to ignore the amendment process they have only themselves to blame for their frustrations.

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Wolfpack,

I understand that the second amendment was conceived at a time when nations were largely rural, but the American Founders knew that things change and they provided for an amendment process to keep the document current. If the gun control advocates continue to ignore the amendment process they have only themselves to blame for their frustrations

I believe that there is support on both sides for certain types of gun regulation. But do you really think, given the current state of political affairs in the US, that it would ever be possible to amend the 2nd Amendment? Especially with the present composition of the Supreme Court?

I appreciate that I'm not well versed on the whole process, but I'm genuinely asking.

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You make some good points, Wolfpack.

There is a mechanism to abolish the civil right to “arms” but no one pushes for it.

I'll admit my ignorance about this, but if true, I find it strange. To me, removing the 2nd amendment would be the obvious thing to do. Then regulate guns in the same way most things are regulated. People can still vote for pro-gun politicians if they want to keep their guns.

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What a burden for the kid to carry when he learns he shot his mom in the head.But consequences and repercussions of having guns easily accessible for a two year old to access.

...whether charges will be filed.

Lol two times.Against the toddler?

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I really wonder if toddlers are able to get leverage and strength to squeeze the trigger.

It could be just a freak accident but a loaded gun not set to safe in a reachable location to a toddler while having the stength to squeeze that trigger is very unlikely.

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Against the toddler?

No, the gun owner, who I think is the father. Florida law states (as I posted above but apparently no-one read it);

A person who stores or leaves, on a premise under his or her control, a loaded firearm, and who knows or reasonably should know that a minor is likely to gain access to the firearm without the lawful permission of the minor’s parent or the person having charge of the minor, or without the supervision required by law, shall keep the firearm in a securely locked box or container or in a location which a reasonable person would believe to be secure or shall secure it with a trigger lock...

It seems that law wasn't followed in this case.

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Ignore my comment seems like it happened in Houston as well, guess lacking common sense have proven that toddlers have the stength.

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WolfpackToday  07:14 pm JST

> I understand that the second amendment was conceived at a time when nations were largely rural, but the American Founders knew that things change and they provided for an amendment process to keep the document current. If the gun control advocates continue to ignore the amendment process they have only themselves to blame for their frustrations.

This is far too simplistic. Fundamental rights granted by the constitution, such as the right to keep and bear arms, can be restricted via legislation. Just like speech is regulated by laws, for instance the prohibition against profanity on network television or terrestrial radio, so to can the right to keep and bear arms.

Understanding this requires a nuanced worldview, though.

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Anyone not currently living in America cannot comprehend the insanity currently occurring here and it is not 'gun' violence, per se, it is just VIOLENCE against the people around us. If JT published American gun violence events there would be little else on a much expanded platform, or perhaps just a 'scorecard' of American cities with the number of gun related events for that day. Guns simply make it easier but, as we saw in the recent knife wielding train attack, deranged thinking is the most proximal 'cause'. 'Random' drive-by shootings and directed homicides are simply hostility against one's fellow Humans and facilitates the fear which motivates the keeping of a firearm which facilitates gun ownership, the use of same by deranged and/or terminally hostile Humans, and the tragic accidents of Human neglect (here) coupled with the contradiction of keeping such a weapon for defense but having it be inaccessible should defensive occasion arise. Gun ownership is 'blamed' but seems a purposeful obfuscation of what is actually causing the hostility/deranged thinking in so many Humans, at least in America, at this time. It's almost as if some POISON is being injected into American society which, itself, has a long history of aggression toward fellow Humans and may be more prone to its effects. Chicken and egg? The Swiss, I'm told, hold more guns than most countries, yet do not see what we are seeing in America hardly at all. In what direction should we really be looking?

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Just another day in 'Murica. How many deaths until we can get EFFECTIVE gun control so idiots can't get their hands on guns? FL is responsible for their gun control legislature, and some "responsible" and "licensed" gun owner left a loading gun unattended at their home.

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Gun control is a serious issue.,. just like Nuke Control. Yet the latter appears to have less restrictions than the former Globally!!

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RiskyMosaic:

But do you really think, given the current state of political affairs in the US, that it would ever be possible to amend the 2nd Amendment?

Well if it is truly the case that it isn’t possible to amend the Constitution what does that tell you? Given that the Constitution has been amended nearly 30 times I don’t think that is a good argument. to say it isn’t possible. The Equal Rights Amendment didn’t have the support of the country but they tried. Though they failed it came uncomfortably close to creating a two tiered level of citizenship based on sex.

The failure to even try says either they know the people don’t support their view or it says that those that wish to amend or abolish the Second Amendment are inexplicably unwilling to undertake the effort regardless of the stakes involved. I suspect the reticence of making the effort is due to a preference for waiting until they can get ideologically compliant Supreme Court justices that will somehow re-interpret the Constitution in a manner that is against 240 years of legal thought not to mention then words written.

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cracaphat:

What a burden for the kid to carry when he learns he shot his mom in the head.

Yes, that is a very heavy burden to carry through life knowing that you did something so terrible to your own mother. You can try rationalizing that a child of that age could not comprehend the consequences of what they were doing when pulling the trigger but that’s little solace.

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P Smith:

This is far too simplistic. Fundamental rights granted by the constitution, such as the right to keep and bear arms, can be restricted via legislation.

I never said that guns could or be regulated. The idea that fundamental rights can be and are regulated are not what I am addressing. I was responding to those who believe that there should be no right to bear arms. But of course to comprehend the context of my comments would require a nuanced ability to understand and appreciate different opinions and basic reading comprehension.

Just like speech is regulated by laws, for instance the prohibition against profanity on network television or terrestrial radio, so to can the right to keep and bear arms.

The right to bar arms shall not be infringed- that is pretty strong legal language. Whether “well regulated militia” were amended out of the Constitution, and it has not, the second half stands on its own. The Supreme Court has made it clear that this is an individual right just as is the right to free speech. Speech is regulated, arms are regulated. But such regulations cannot be removed unnecessarily.

But the good news for the Left is that they have incrementally taken control of nearly all major institutions in America. They will, as they have in the past, re-interpret the plain meaning of the Constitution away (see Roe v Wade and rulings permitting affirmative action as examples). Had Hillary not been the worst major party candidate for president in history they a tortured reinterpretation of the second amendment would likely be in full swing at this very moment. Based on its current trajectory it is only a matter of a few more generations before the Constitution will, for all intents and purposes, become irrelevant to Americans altogether.

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