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This is the same guy who claimed enormous evidence that Soleimani posed an “imminent” threat on specific American targets and had to be assassinated right away. Which turned out to be BS.

Pompeo will say anything to protect his godfather. When Trump needs a poll boost, find a scapegoat.

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Pompeo's a disgrace to his alma mater. The Long Gray Line should turn their collective backs on this boot licking toady.

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Thre probably is evidence. But (1) China will deny it till Hell freezes over and (2) because it helps Trump deflect domestic responsibility and supports his November goals, it's credibility will be questioned. But I suspect it's true. Chinese generally do not eat bats and they were not sold at that wet market. But viruses from collected bats were kept and studied at the WIV lab.

2 ( +24 / -22 )

One of the many problems with Trump being the most dishonest president in US history (somewhere between 124 - 18,000 lies told to date) and with having surrounded himself with dishonest people like Pompeo (see below from The American Conservative) is only Trump loyalists and neocons might still believe either. And probably most of them believe little from them.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/pompeos-war-on-the-truth/

Trump's on the ropes with an election coming soon. During his era more Americans have died from the virus than were killed invading Vietnam.

Most Americans think Trump's continuing to bungle government response to the pandemic.

Most see the economy's in a shambles, that his socialistic programs are making little difference for working and middle class Americans while making his fellow 'elite' even richer.

Trump's pointing fingers at China where the virus did start. But he's doing so to take negative attention away from him. He's once again otherguying - the story of his life.

4 ( +23 / -19 )

I would buy the Brooklyn Bridge from a total stranger before I DIDN’T believe the Chinese government is responsible for this virus.

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I would hope that the mass infection of the world, by the Chinese government’s (at the very least) negligence should not be overlooked.

19 ( +23 / -4 )

It's quite possible an accident could have occurred. But you need hard evidence to give credit to what you say. Did Pompeo investigate the case at first hand or by remote control?

If the latter, it's like an officer trying to give a ticket to a putative traffic offender based only on telephone conversations.

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The problem is, neither country can be believed. America proved with the Iraq debacle that they'll make up whatever they need to in order to justify the actions they want to take, and China is a dictatorship that runs a propaganda machine, and prevents information they don't like from flowing into their country.

Either side could be telling the truth. Both could be lying. Neither can be trusted. They have created their reputations through their own actions, and now no one in the world can trust what they say.

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There are thousands of academic papers on the study of coronavirus before the pandemic but people dismissed it and simply blamed the seafood market and exotic culinary practices. The narrative a month ago was that the market was the source.

I believe in the relationship between the virus and the Wuhan Institution of Virology. This was considered rumor mongering and posts were deleted.

There are biowarfare laboratories all over the world, They are the potential source of pandemics regardless of the government behind them.

The CDC totally shut down the US Military’s main bio-lab at Fort Detrick, Maryland last year, due to an absence of safeguards against pathogen leakages, and issued a complete “cease and desist” order to the military. It was immediately after this event that the ‘e-cigarette’ epidemic arose.

This may have been the correct move but it begs the question was it too late?

Labs dealing with deadly diseases need to be checked, but they are also the ones that will contribute to the discovery of vaccines.

2 ( +10 / -8 )

It's one thing for me to think the location of maximum security biolab is a bit suspicious. But for the Secretary of State to say it, without offering a shred of conclusive proof, is horribly irresponsible. Sounds like pure politics: Trump Inc. passing the buck because they were slow to respond.

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Evidence of negligence, misinformation and false propaganda...who do you think of when you read that?

The CCP and the current administration who is equally negligent.

4 ( +7 / -3 )

Just share it then. We're holding our breath.

2 ( +8 / -6 )

It may be possible that the virus "escaped" from a laboratory, but there needs to be evidence, not just the word of a yes-man with no credibility. Lies only muddy the waters of the truth. For the sake of all mankind the Chinese must come clean, but fear of the consequences will keep mouths closed.

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Except for the fact that the DNA sequencing of Covid-19 doesn't match any of the (inactivated and active in storage) strains at the lab.

2 ( +10 / -8 )

Anyone hear those drums beating....nothing like a good ol war to pull the people together and America wont change their president during a war....

7 ( +10 / -3 )

Anyone hear those drums beating....nothing like a good ol war to pull the people together and America wont change their president during a war....

Trump could be thinking that Americans generally don't oust wartime presidents. If he can start one before November, maybe the thinks he has a chance.

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Not saying it isn’t possible, but stuff coming from the Trump administration on this has about as much credibility at this point as stuff coming from CCP propaganda broadcasts.

Also, if I understand correctly, Pompeo is saying this may have escaped from a lab where it was being studied, having originated from a natural source, and not that it was invented in that lab. This distinction gets lost when phrases like “came from” are used.

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I would buy the Brooklyn Bridge from a total stranger before I DIDN’T believe the Chinese government is responsible for this virus.

Why would they intentionally release a virus that is going to tank their own economy? The Chinese need business from just about every developed country just as we need the goods made in their country. I suggest you start saving to buy your bridge.

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Enormous evidence that nobody else can see, but trust me, I always tell the truth, and there is enormous evidence of that.

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China may become the focal point of the U.S. presidential election. NHK had an interesting story on it last night. The Trump campaign is painting Biden as not being tough on China, with TV commercials already being aired, calling "Beijing Biden" a friend of China for 40 years.

On the other hand, Trump is blaming China daily for the coronavirus and a lot of other things. The hope is that voters will prefer him so he can get tougher on China for the pandemic.

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""I think the whole world can see now, remember, China has a history of infecting the world and running substandard laboratories," Pompeo said.""

AMEN.

-9 ( +2 / -11 )

There you go. came from the lab. Intelligence agencies and Secretary of State. Another “conspiracy theory” is actually true.

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I have said it all along, This CV-19 was "A Biological Test / Attack" I hope I am Damn WRONG, but plenty of evidence points the other way.

-10 ( +2 / -12 )

truth is truth. the 17 intelligence agencies are to be believed, just like all women, without question.

The "5 eyes" intelligence mostly confirms our own intelligence. are they wrong too?

-13 ( +3 / -16 )

"enormous evidence"

So what is it?

10 ( +12 / -2 )

"President Trump is very clear: we'll hold those responsible accountable."

Except himself, of course. He is above that!

Invalid CSRF

7 ( +11 / -4 )

@Blacklabel

There you go. came from the lab. Intelligence agencies and Secretary of State. Another “conspiracy theory” is actually true......

So Black are you willing to go to war for this or do you think your Country should go to war for this just curious..

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"President Trump is very clear: we'll hold those responsible accountable."

For creating the virus? What?

Except himself, of course. He is above that!

I say the exact same thing about the media.....

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For those who haven't seen the interview, let me transcribe the most interesting part:

Pompeo: "Look, the best experts so far seem to think it was manmade. I have no reason to disbelieve that at this point”

Raddatz: “The scientific consensus was that the COVID-19 virus was not manmade or genetically modified.”

Pompeo: “That’s right. I agree with that. Yes. I’ve seen their analysis. I’ve seen the summary that you saw that was released publicly. I have no reason to doubt that that is accurate at this point.”

Raddatz: “OK, so just to be clear, you do not think it was manmade or genetically modified?”

Pompeo: "I’ve seen what the intelligence community has said. I have no reason to believe that they’ve got it wrong.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=354&v=fRea4yIE7_8&feature=emb_logo

Yes, the Secretary of the State just contradicted himself in the span of two minutes on national television.

And this is the reality we live in.

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America's own intelligence agencies have said it is not true, and the Trump people have absolutely no proof, but any lie in a political storm is better than the truth, right?

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China are renowned bullies, who constantly pick on their smaller neighbours. They don’t like it when their neighbours fight back, so resort to threats & intimidation.

An example is the current spat with Australia, where the Chinese ambassador stated China’s real intentions.

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2 different issues here. The credibility or lack of it of the Trump administration and the megalomaniac Xi.

i do not doubt that Xi is capable of deliberately release a virus if it suits his purposes. The man wants to be the new Mao and wants to rule the world. He is the Chinese Hitler.

and of course sacrificing a few thousand, hundred thousands of his people would not make him blink. I do not say he deliberately releases this virus but the shutdown of Beijing was well prepared and Wuhan is for him of little significance but important enough to suggest he would not sacrifice a city like that. Problem is, Xi would. The consequent wave of “ kindness” to send masks ( many defective) , other PPE as a PR strategy falls in the global Chinese strategy of wanting to be the worlds leaders.

I believe Xi must be stopped in his tracks, the man is a dangerous dictator much more dangerous than Kim. I am a European living since 30 years in Asia and to me, Xi is the gravest danger to the world since 1945. I may be wrong but we must be vigilant because Xi is a sick but clever man. Trump is doing the right thing to fight China. I disagree with his style( or lack of it) , many of his decisions but on China and the bootlicking WHO he is right.

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truth is truth. the 17 intelligence agencies are to be believed, just like all women, without question. 

The "5 eyes" intelligence mostly confirms our own intelligence. are they wrong too?

Save your breath, in one way, I respect the Chinese because they know how much the majority of liberals hate the guy and will gobble up every information or doubt that is cast on anything he says or does and if they can flip this around and shove the blame into the lap of the US or even better to the President, it might take hold, now I personally didn't know the President or the US government were experimenting with bats and created the virus, but I'm sure some liberal will have figured it out that the masterstroke of a plan all along was to setup and frame the Chinese for this pandemic. The intelligence cooked the entire thing to help the President in his bid for re-election...uh-huh.....

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The "5 eyes" intelligence 

Please note that this one of those "exclusive right-wing talking point" and that most people have no idea of what you're talking about. I had to look it up, immediately saw mostly Fox News and Daily Mail articles come up and... Into the trash it goes.

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No reason for that. They can just pay penalties or fines to all countries affected by their negligence

So Black are you willing to go to war for this or do you think your Country should go to war for this just curious..

-12 ( +1 / -13 )

people get confused somehow.

The intelligence says the virus is not man made. Ok, good.

This does not mean that the virus cant be "from the lab". It just means they didnt make/create it.

They were experimenting/researching something that is not man made, for example an infected bat, and a human got infected and it made it out of the lab.

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because it benefits the left leaning media in no way to publish it. doesnt mean it isnt true.

posted at nypost.com. independent.co.uk, mirror.co.uk. dailytelegraph.com.au on an on.

Please note that this one of those "exclusive right-wing talking point" and that most people have no idea of what you're talking about. I had to look it up, immediately saw mostly Fox News and Daily Mail articles come up and... Into the trash it goes.

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people get confused somehow.

Raddatz: Do you believe it was manmade or genetically modified?

Pompeo: That the best experts so far seem to think it was manmade? I have no reason to disbelieve that at this point.

Raddatz: “The scientific consensus was that the COVID-19 virus was not manmade or genetically modified.”

Pompeo: “That’s right. I agree with that. Yes. I’ve seen their analysis. I’ve seen the summary that you saw that was released publicly. I have no reason to doubt that that is accurate at this point.”

People do get confused, yeah.

But not as much as Pompeo does, apparently.

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Seems to me, that Trump is getting worried about the deadline for the payback of his Bank of China loan.

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as I said, its doesnt have to be man made to be "from the lab". thats easily understandable.

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because it benefits the left leaning media in no way to publish it. 

Another conspiracy theory, yep.

OK, so let's have a look:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-cause-china-research-evidence-destroyed-a9495856.html

The document, obtained by The Daily Telegraph newspaper in Australia, reportedly charts a timeline of subterfuge by China and how it censored news about the outbreak. It says that despite evidence in early December of human-to-human transmission, Beijing did not confirm this key fact until 20 January.

However, there is little in the document that is not already in the public domain and there is nothing to conclusively support Mr Trump’s claim that the disease originated in a scientific laboratory. It confirms that the Australian government believes that a wet market in Wuhan was the likely origin of the virus.

So it says exactly the contrary of what you're claiming. Why are you pushing this again?

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Seems to me, that Trump is getting worried about the deadline for the payback of his Bank of China loan.

I think he's more afraid of a lot of dumb people especially in the media that have bought the China sympathy card, hook, line and sinker. No one should be surprised and again the real culprit China or more accurately, the CCP are laughing their rears off, which is unsettling to say the least.

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Nah, he’s not afraid of dumb people, he surrounds himself with them, in an attempt to look smart.

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Yes, I already mentioned that Australia only still thinks it is a wet market.

-10 ( +2 / -12 )

the CCP are laughing their rears off,

Why would they laugh when their economy is crumbling?

https://time.com/5824599/china-coronavirus-covid19-economy/

"Even as official infection figures drop to double-digits daily, economic data released Friday reveals China’s economy contracted 6.8% in the first quarter of 2020, during which some 460,000 Chinese firms closed. Registration of new firms fell 29% year-on-year between January and March.

It’s the first recorded contraction in China since before Mao-era collectivization was abolished in the late 1970s. But analysts agree that even the 6.8% figure is extremely optimistic (as Beijing’s official figures tend to be)."

For those who are convinced that China deliberately "released" the virus: please explain how exactly that benefits them. It killed tens of thousands of people and made their economy crumble, so I fail to see what they gained from it as of yet.

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https://time.com/5830675/china-australia-coronavirus-inquiry/

China Warns Australia It Could Face Boycotts Over Call for an Independent Inquiry Into Coronavirus

China is kind of threatening Australia right now, you know?

“I saw some comments from the Chinese foreign ministry talking about coercive activity with respect to Australia, who had the temerity to ask for an investigation. Who in the world wouldn’t want an investigation of how this happened to the world?” Pompeo told reporters in Washington.

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Yes, I already mentioned that Australia only still thinks it is a wet market.

But you didn't answer the question. Why are you (or, let's say, the right wing media) pushing this leaked document as something of importance when it clearly states the opposite of what you're claiming it does or want to use to prove?

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Yes, the Secretary of the State just contradicted himself in the span of two minutes on national television.

And why wouldn't he? He's leading from the front, showing the way to the millions of Trump cult followers.

As Hannah Arendt said in her 1951 book Origins of Totalitarianism:

"In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and nothing was true... The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness."

http://www.openculture.com/2017/01/hannah-arendt-explains-how-propaganda-uses-lies-to-erode-all-truth-morality.html

Pompeo is speaking to the Trump cultists when he says "best experts" agree coronavirus was manmade, and he's speaking to everyone else when he says that scientist agree it wasn't. The cultists will believe what they've been told to believe.

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If you read through all of your post, you all seem to have a hard time separating hating Trump from the problem affecting the world. First off, just so you understand my point of view, I can't stand Trump but he didn't release this virus on the world, the CCP did! Now that we have that out of the way, lets look at the way this virus came to be.

Why would any of you think that the CCP is telling the truth? Does it matter whether it came from a wet market or lab in China if the end result is the same that the CCP hid the facts and let it spread to the rest of the world? The CCP has put a great effort into their propaganda machine by deleting all information within China that puts them in a bad light. I would not be surprised if there are CCP supporters on here voting down anything that makes the CCP look guilty.

The CCP MUST BE MADE TO PAY FOR THE WORLD'S LOSSES! If the entire world can't sue China because China thinks it's above the law then the entire world can just default as one on all the debt owned by China for a start. This will free countries that China has taken advantage of and locked them into being debt slave nations. This is how you end the CCP by taking it out at the knees. Civil war will follow in China. Once the world is rid of the CCP, we can hopefully move on and China can return to be a peaceful nation having a government like that of Taiwan.

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Because every country in 5 eyes except Australia, agree with the US position that it came from the lab. Australia says there is a 5% chance that happened.

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The document, obtained by The Daily Telegraph newspaper in Australia, reportedly charts a timeline of subterfuge by China and how it censored news about the outbreak. It says that despite evidence in early December of human-to-human transmission, Beijing did not confirm this key fact until 20 January.

However, there is little in the document that is not already in the public domain and there is nothing to conclusively support Mr Trump’s claim that the disease originated in a scientific laboratory. It confirms that the Australian government believes that a wet market in Wuhan was the likely origin of the virus.

You can believe their garbage if you like.

So it says exactly the contrary of what you're claiming. Why are you pushing this again?

A damning dossier leaked from the “Five Eyes” intelligence alliance claims that China lied to the world about human-to-human transmission of the virus, disappeared whistleblowers and refused to hand over virus samples so the West could make a vaccine.

The bombshell 15-page research document also indicated that some of the five intelligence agencies believe that the virus may have been leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a claim initially dismissed as a conspiracy theory because Chinese officials insisted the virus came from the local wet markets, according to the Australian Daily Telegraph.

Ok, so there is the smoking gun that the Chinese knew how deadly this virus was and still lied about it intentionally.

At the same time, a senior intelligence source told Fox News that while most intelligence agencies believe COVID-19 originated in the Wuhan lab, “it was thought to have been released accidentally.”

The report from the intelligence-sharing alliance of the five leading English-speaking countries, the US, UK, Australia, New Zealand and Canada called China’s shady handling of the virus “an assault on international transparency.”

The paper described how China downplayed the outbreak around the world while wildly scrambling to bury all traces of the disease at home, including bleaching wet market stalls, censoring the growing evidence of asymptomatic carriers of the virus and stonewalling sample requests from other countries.

Beijing started censoring search engines as early as December to stop Internet surfing related to the virus, according to the report. 

https://nypost.com/2020/05/02/intelligence-report-says-china-lied-about-origin-of-coronavirus/

There's your smoking Tommy gun.

-9 ( +3 / -12 )

Whatever the global community/people feel personally/politically towards U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo/President Donald Trump is inconsequential .

A full/ thorough, independent investigation must follow into the origins of this devastating pandemic.

The Government of China must submit to a chosen/vetted team of experts to have assess to every nook and cranny, all facets, timelines, the laboratories in Wuhan. Access to the medics, scientists etc.

Any refusal to co-operate fully must be met with zero tolerance, zero quarter. That will entail the cancellation of all global debt that the Government of China holds in combination of/to swinging global sanctions, every sector.

This is the least that can be done for the families of the deceased.

Mortality Analyses…..

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

Yes, anonymous sources confirmed Kim Jun Un's death, and Russian collusion and many other liberal favorite narratives.

I guess now the liberal position will change to anonymous sources are wrong and cant be trusted! Until one says something tomorrow they like.

-9 ( +1 / -10 )

This virus was caused by humans eating animals. Just like bird flu, swine flu, Ebola, mad cow etc.

meateaters should all be sued for their murderous behavior.

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Because every country in 5 eyes except Australia, agree with the US position that it came from the lab.

So what you're telling us is that the 5 eyes dossier confirms everything you said, except the thing that you conveniently don't want it to confirm, that part is just what the Australian governement believes?

So Australia disagrees with you... But can you give us sources about which country exactly believes what? (I have the sneaky suspicion that of the "5 eyes", only one is going to say the virus came from a lab.)

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@blacklabelPeople here just hate Trump more than a country

That's certainly one way of looking at what others have posted. I've read a range of opinions. Personally I can't say I 'hate' either Trump or China - hate takes too much energy, but I do hold both in low, actually extremely low regard. Call it a toss-up, OK?

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Whatever the global community/people feel personally/politically towards U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo/President Donald Trump is inconsequential .

A full/ thorough, independent investigation must follow into the origins of this devastating pandemic.

The Government of China must submit to a chosen/vetted team of experts to have assess to every nook and cranny, all facets, timelines, the laboratories in Wuhan. Access to the medics, scientists etc.

Any refusal to co-operate fully must be met with zero tolerance, zero quarter. That will entail the cancellation of all global debt that the Government of China holds in combination of/to swinging global sanctions, every sector.

This is the least that can be done for the families of the deceased.

I strongly agree. If the CCP is innocent as it claims to be then it should show the world and as you said, allow all experts to survey the labs, wet markets and facilities in and around Wuhan to make and reach a scientifically conclusive assessment as to what, how and the origins came to be regarding this virus, they have to be fully transparent.

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its pointless as no left leaning publication will print this until they have to

So you will just claim any source so far is biased. Anyway, the publication that got the leaked dossier reported on it, but wont release the actual document. (can assume it is classified)

The report is that there is a leaked dossier which says every country in 5 eyes except Australia agrees with the US position that this virus came from the Wuhan lab. Australia was said to only think there is a 5% chance it came from the lab, they still prefer the "wet market" narrative.

US intelligence itself mostly (of the supposed 17 agencies) agrees it came from the lab.

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Yes, anonymous sources confirmed Kim Jun Un's death, and Russian collusion and many other liberal favorite narratives.

And Fox news, the most mainstream of all news networks, reported it.

I guess now the liberal position will change to anonymous sources are wrong and cant be trusted! Until one says something tomorrow they like.

Yes, I imagine Fox News, after posting reports of Kim's death, probably will make this pivot. They've flipped on every flop they've ever made, no reason to think they won't this time.

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Why would any of you think that the CCP is telling the truth?

Why would any of us think Trump, or even America for that matter, is telling the truth?

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He has insisted that Beijing recklessly concealed important information about the outbreak and demanded that Beijing be held "accountable."

Liar or not in the exact content, he's right in the context, China tried to conceal the gravity of this virus at the cost of their own citizens (for which they care not much by the way) and the world is paying the price of this massive negligence now. Other countries are also doubting China but they are reluctant to confrontation because of economical implications.

I'm not going to throw the rock to Trump if he loudly exposes China for what the world widely acknowledge.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

We know the virus started in Wuhan . . . is that the issue?  Many have said U.S. Administration failed to act upon warnings received from China . . . . subsequently causing a worldwide pandemic.

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And Fox news, the most mainstream of all news networks, reported it.

Based on "intelligence", so why would they not.

Yes, I imagine Fox News, after posting reports of Kim's death, probably will make this pivot. They've flipped on every flop they've ever made, no reason to think they won't this time.

Utter nonsense, lol

-7 ( +0 / -7 )

its pointless as no left leaning publication will print this until they have to

How about unbiased sources? They do exist.

but wont release the actual document. 

How convenient. Why are they hiding it? Isn't there a conspiracy theory behind that?

The report is that there is a leaked dossier which says every country in 5 eyes except Australia agrees with the US position that this virus came from the Wuhan lab.

Please post sources.

US intelligence itself mostly (of the supposed 17 agencies) agrees it came from the lab.

(Only contradicting themselves after Trump's administration pressured them to do so, of course.)

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bass4funk, I believe that a full investigation is the only course of action that can bring resolution, in response to such a devasting loss globally for the families of the bereaved.

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You should always believe a democracy over a dictatorship when there is a choice between the 2.

I shouldnt have to explain that to a reasonable person.

Yet, the liberals here supported the positions and governments and militaries of North Korea and Iran and China and terrorist organizations in numerous posts just cause orangemanbad, or something.

Again, why would we believe America?

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How about unbiased sources? They do exist.

For example? Again, don't list AP or Reuters. So who is unbiased?

I think Stratfor is the absolute best for any geopolitical news info. neither left nor right, but dead center.

Only contradicting themselves after Trump's administration pressured them to do so, of course

Oh, stop! Lol, you don't know that come on now....

-5 ( +0 / -5 )

The Five Eyes is an anglophone intelligence alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States. These countries are parties to the multilateral UKUSA Agreement, a treaty for joint cooperation in signals intelligence.

If the info is coming from a leaked dossier that should raise major red flags and concerns that someone can not be trusted with intelligence.

Edward Snowdon leaked info on the Five Eyes activities which authorities turn a blind eye to.

Five Eyes spy on their own citizens. Brits spy on Americans, Americans spy on Brits and do a swap party.

One GCHQ presentation on fourth party collection reveals how the UK used a tool called “BADASS” to steal personal information sent between users’ devices, mobile networks and analytic firms. That’s the same metadata which George Brandis says does not contain personally identifiable information.

I can not find the leaked document.

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You should always believe a democracy over a dictatorship when there is a choice between the 2.

Well no, you should believe someone with a proven history of telling the truth, over believing someone with a history of telling lies.

Your comment is the equivalent of saying 'Believe all women'. A comment you have a problem with.

Anyways, China may very well be lying. But why would we ever believe the possibility that China is lying means America is telling the truth, when America is a proven liar?

And even if China did this, why should they take responsibility?

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No matter what ones political persuasion, there has be to an investigation. First and formally to prevent this tragedy reoccurring time and time again. Surely this makes sense.

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so the communist regimes in NK, Iran and China have a proven history of telling the truth.

You are the only one to make such a silly claim. I have no idea why you would think this. I wouldn't trust these countries any further than I trust America.

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so the communist regimes in NK, Iran and China have a proven history of telling the truth. Yeah right.

Like I said, the Chinese are smart, they knew spreading this kind of disinformation will deflect from their lies and what they have unleashed and done. They masterfully executed that, well done. CCP.

-7 ( +0 / -7 )

Like I said, the Chinese are smart, they knew spreading this kind of disinformation will deflect from their lies and what they have unleashed and done. They masterfully executed that, well done. CCP.

But you're calling for them to take responsibility. Even if they did it, why would they?

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Again, don't list AP or Reuters.

Again, prove to us that these sources are biased.

Oh, stop! Lol, you don't know that come on now....

Yes we do, actually.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/30/cia-pushes-back-at-trump-efforts-to-link-coronavirus-to-chinese-laboratories

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But you're calling for them to take responsibility. Even if they did it, why would they?

Of course they won't, we already know that, but what we can do is take assets away from, property they hold within the US or its territories, close all Chinese student body groups and organizations on college campuses there are many ways we can make it painful for the Chinese.

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Mr. Pompeo is wrong. A coronavirus leak from a lab would be extremely unlikely and there's no evidence of this according to a American researcher who worked with a Wuhan virology lab. I've read that the high-security lab has no record of the novel coronavirus' genome, and follows strict safety measures. They say that it's far more likely that the virus spilled naturally from bats, jumping to humans via an intermediary animal host. Sadly a persistent circulation of the lab-leak theory could only impact future scientific cooperation and information between America and China. Go do the research, find and spread the truth.

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because all the liars no longer work there, they have been proactively replaced and now mostly just work at CNN.

Why do you suddenly believeAmerican intelligence agencies when you didn’t just a year ago?

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Didn't a memo circulate around the republicans, asking not to pin any blame on the man-child, to boast that he stopped flights from China and to blame China, China, China? Something to do with an upcoming election in November, maybe??

These people lie, lie, lie. Very convenient that they can't show proof. I can say anything too, as long as I don't have to show proof. Fairies exist, you know!

You can bet if the man-child had proof, he would have shown us. His mouth just can't help blurting out secrets.

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Nobody knows because it’s equally possible that the US or China is lying. Why do you suddenly believeAmerican intelligence agencies when you didn’t just a year ago?

Based on what the Chinese themselves have said back in November and the doctor that first came forward and died, I believe him and the other doctors that were silenced that it started in Wuhan.

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Of course they won't, we already know that, but what we can do is take assets away from, property they hold within the US or its territories, close all Chinese student body groups and organizations on college campuses there are many ways we can make it painful for the Chinese.

Remember, Trump already tried and lost a trade war with China. Why would we suddenly think American could win a new one when they lost the last one?

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Didn't a memo circulate around the republicans, asking not to pin any blame on the man-child, to boast that he stopped flights from China and to blame China, China, China?

Yup.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/24/gop-memo-anti-china-coronavirus-207244

GOP memo urges anti-China assault over coronavirus

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because all the liars no longer work there, they have been proactively replaced and now mostly just work at CNN.

Evidence? This seems to mean, “Because they are supporting Donny now.”

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Based on what the Chinese themselves have said back in November and the doctor that first came forward and died, I believe him and the other doctors that were silenced that it started in Wuhan.

We know you do. But why would anyone else on the planet who is not American?

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Based on what the Chinese themselves have said back in November and the doctor that first came forward and died, I believe him and the other doctors that were silenced that it started in Wuhan.

Weird given none of those doctors claimed the virus escaped from the lab.

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Who knows? Neither country can be trusted, they are both liars.

I disagree, especially when it comes to this pandemic, of course China is lying about this.

That's my point. Why would we ever believe the claims of the US?

On some things, I would tend to agree with you, but not when it comes to this virus. They don't have to, there is enough in the country that we could and should go after.

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67,000 deaths and counting.

I am calm.

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The report is that there is a leaked dossier which says every country in 5 eyes except Australia agrees with the US position that this virus came from the Wuhan lab. Australia was said to only think there is a 5% chance it came from the lab, they still prefer the "wet market" narrative.

You need to evidence your assertions, Blacklabel, rather than just copying and pasting the same comment.

It is totally clear that the government of China suppressed information about this virus in the early days, and this allowed it to spread. This much we know for sure.

Scientific analysis of the virus' RNA suggests that it does not have the characteristics of a man-made or modified virus. This is why scientists do not believe that it is man-made. Whether it's not it came from a bat is uncertain, but it is a leading candidate.

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