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China offers help for 'grave' Ukraine situation

No doubt the "help" they intend to provide is encouragement for Ukraine to surrender and give Russia everything it wants. Pitiful.

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Help from China?! OMG! Which side are you going to help?

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One should not run from one devil and seek help from another.

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Never accept ANY help from China. There's always a catch with those people.

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“China has largely sided with Russia, refusing to refer to its actions in Ukraine as a war or invasion.”

How about a war crime? It is that, wouldn’t you agree? Or are you feeling just a little bit ashamed because you want to do the same thing to Taiwan?

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How could China possibly become a fair mediator? It will make things worse while its lies are prevailing...

China's promotion of Russian disinformation indicates where its loyalties lie

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/10/china/china-russia-disinformation-campaign-ukraine-intl-dst-hnk/index.html

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so many "experts" above...lets learn "something new".../irony off/

from my point of view chinese position is easy to understand.

and yes-negotiation is ALWAYS better than war.

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No doubt the "help" they intend to provide is encouragement for Ukraine to surrender and give Russia everything it wants.

If Ukraine surrenders, then the whole world will get everything. Ukraine can export wheat and soya oil, earn money from Nord 1.

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Incursions, diseases, war. communism is unleashed on global scale, threatening the entire human race in the last few months and the world is silent.

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China wants to help the Ukraine.

That's rich.

Come here little one, I want to show you something................

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We've cut Russia off, it's time to cut China off too.

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Both of them have alternate realities, they cannot be trusted one bit.

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If Ukraine surrenders, then the whole world will get everything. Ukraine can export wheat and soya oil, earn money from Nord 1.

I think you mean "Russia" instead of "Ukraine" there.

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$791,000

The Great Leap Forward!

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@knikknak

I very much doubt it is possible to cut-off china without serious problems. The UK may be food-safe but Japan is not. Many of the components in all of our online devices come from China. There is a massive internet link from Japan to China that then splits to the rest of the world. I am not quite sure if Japan could communicate via the internet if it has to cut-off china and russia and the yen is a safe-haven currency so those with massive funds would very much not want that to happen.

Apart from Gas/Oil russia was and easy split. That can not be said for China.

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Actually according to this there are some cable Japan to US but that is a long way in terms of financial transactions. https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

It would also make the Yen/Dollar connection even more incestuous.

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@indigo

My tax burden is tiny. The Japanese government would have to raise VAT for me to suffer. However inflation which is a stealth tax gets us all. It is inflation that they want because many countries borrowed from central banks and inflation with low interest rates helps the pay-back.

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China sucks.........

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Speaking from a logical point of view, if any one world leader could influence Putin to withdraw from the Ukraine it is President Xi Jinping. Putin does not care what any western leaders think, but he will listen the the Chinese leader. Any thing to bring this genocide of innocents to an end must be good.

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What a fart trap calamity!!

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Any thing to bring this genocide of innocents to an end must be good.

It might be worth a try. A world united against the invasion would be best and whispering into Putin's ear to knock it off would probably get him to sit up and notice. Here's to hoping. In the meantime, Слава Україні!

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China has proven itself to be an irresponsible global citizen, and time and again, especially in this instance, it has represented itself as a 'strategic partner to Putin with no limits', partner to an abhorrent and murderous dictator, without blinking. How is it ever going to convince any one it can play a positive mediation role?

This is such an insult to the rest of the world let alone to Ukrainians. Xi is the supreme forked tongue assassin, who together with Putin form the new axis of evil that free nations of the world should be very wary of.

Boycott China and Russia, decouple, give rise to commerce with ETHICS. Call your retailer, ask if it's made in China, if it is say no thanks. Likewise lobby retailers to include country of origin in their adverts. It's too little compared to the enormous forces of the global corporate elite, but it's better than nothing. Better a spearhead to them than be speared.

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Is China just now realizing that if Putin goes nuclear, China won't be spared from attack? I mean, if the U.S. is going to be wiped out, it may as well take China with it.

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Speaking from a logical point of view, if any one world leader could influence Putin to withdraw from the Ukraine it is President Xi Jinping. Any thing to bring this genocide of innocents to an end must be good.

Words of reason.

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Let's hope China, in contrast with "the west", can offer a compromise solution that both Russia and Ukraine can agree and commit to.

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Let's hope China, in contrast with "the west", can offer a compromise solution that both Russia and Ukraine can agree and commit to.

Yes, but at the end of the day, it has to be palatable to Ukraine. I would hope Ukraine chooses not to reward bullying, as that only leads to more of it.

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China isn't going to lift a finger to help Russia.

They'll swoop in and buy the ruins of the Russian economy for next to nothing when this is all over.

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@Ucho et al

It would be interesting how people think it should be negotiated.

It makes sense for the sanctions to reamin in place. It makes sense for Ukraine not to join NATO or EU (which is unlikely anyway). It makes sense that Ukraine still as its own forces.

So the real questions is how much land does russia get and I do not think they would do this without wanting a least a corriodor to the sea. The contested places would be the two nuclear stations as I think they are sticking points for both. I would tell the russians to give back mariupol and keep chernobyl.

Those who say russia has to give it all back should realise that just prolongs the war. Those that say ukraine should have no army are doing the same.

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@Khaos

Let's hope China, in contrast with "the west",

It's certainly a contrast, because the starting point is China has publicly stated they believe in Russia's security interest, and that Ukraine is an irreconcilable 'threat' to Russia. Seriously, Ukraine going about its own business is a threat, that's the starting point? China;s Xi speaks with a forked tongue, that is all.

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Those who say russia has to give it all back should realise that just prolongs the war. Those that say ukraine should have no army are doing the same.

I acknowledge this. I also know that appeasement is the wrong way to go. it just rewards further aggressive behavior. At any rate, it is for the Ukrainians to decide. Ukraine could submit tomorrow and maybe "end" the war, but what would they be giving up in the process? And what is to stop Russia from invading them again in 5-10 years? Or another country?

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Maybe China wants to add another $1,000 to yesterday's donation . . .

Ooooo . . . that's a one with three zeroes attached to it.

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Seriously, Ukraine going about its own business is a threat, that's the starting point?

Agreed. We can't reward land grabs, otherwise you will see more of them.

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@UChosePoorly

There is no bullying in the current conflict. It's a natural consequence of really bad US foreign policy.

Maybe you remember that some time ago, NATO and Russia were actually partners and had a joint council thing. Everyone was happy with Putin. NATO and the US acted like bullies, and that alienated Russia, and made it completely lose trust in the west.

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@eastman

Negotiations for peace are always Ideal. But you can not negotiate with the friend of your invader and have it done in any shape or form be done in good faith.

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There is no bullying in the current conflict. It's a natural consequence of really bad US foreign policy.

So invasion isn't bullying to you? Just curious, what country are you from? I'm from the US, and we know bullying, unfortunately. Invading a smaller country is bullying.

Let's give some agency to Putin and the Russians, ok?

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“It is in no one’s interest. China is ready to make its own constructive efforts in maintaining world peace and stability and promoting development and prosperity," Li said.

He also repeated China's assertion that it follows an “independent foreign policy of peace," and “maintains that the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries should be respected."

“The purposes and principles of the U.N. charter should be observed and the legitimate security concerns of all countries should be taken seriously," Li said. “On that basis, China makes its own assessment and will work with the international community to play a positive role for the early return of peace."

The government of China record for respecting basic human rights and the statement below

Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping pledge 'no limits' to Russian-Chinese partnership

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EaiuASUpuc

Makes the Government of China involvement in this devastating war ludicrous.

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Let’s hope China does help. Still, the US could have prevented this, but Biden and his handlers decided not to.

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Still, the US could have prevented this, but Biden and his handlers decided not to.

How could the US have prevented this? I think you give us too much credit, lol.

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@UChosePoorly

An invasion is bullying, unless it's done to prevent a serious threat. Based on NATO's history, it is viewed as a serious threat in Russia.

I'm from Bulgaria, a NATO member, we were pretty much dragged into it without much public discussion about it. And many people don't like it, but at this point the risk of leaving is too great, we're mostly surrounded by NATO, so we have no choice but to remain.

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An invasion is bullying, unless it's done to prevent a serious threat. Based on NATO's history, it is viewed as a serious threat in Russia.

Thank you for sharing your nationality. That helps me to see where your arguments are coming from.

Does Putin really think that the Ukraine, or NATO, or the US is going to invade Russia? I think the entire world knows that invasions of Russia don't have a good track record for success.

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Let’s hope China does help. Still, the US could have prevented this, but Biden and his handlers decided not to.

You were saying two weeks ago that Russia would never invade and that Biden was looking for a reason to start a war, and you were mad about it. Now that he's not starting a war, you're mad about it.

Can you make up your mind?

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@UChosePoorly

Invasion is not the only threat, but if Ukraine is part of NATO, that means NATO can unilaterally move first-strike weapons so close to Moscow, that it will have no chance to respond. That will remove it's nuclear deterrence, and since NATO has at least 10 times bigger army, Russia becomes helpless.

Russia is a big country, rich with natural resources. The west has plenty of interest in dividing it and exerting influence on it.

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China "offers help" for grave Ukraine situation.

There. I fixed the title.

Funny how the nefarious CCP initially expected a quick Russian victory in Ukraine, but then backtracked in the face of international condemnation and unexpected Ukrainian resistance to the invasion. Whoops.

"China is ready to make its own constructive efforts in maintaining world peace...and promoting development and prosperity." Yeah, whatever. All the while refusing to criticize Russia. How convenient.

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Let's hope China does help. Still, the US could have prevented this...

The only "help" that comes from China is the kind that benefits its own ends. Putin is proving to be a disappointment to Xi for failing to "get the job done".

I'm no fan of Biden, but you may as well say that the Russian people could have prevented all this if they hadn't grown complacent and accepted "strongman" Putin as their dear leader for all these years.

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Russia is a big country, rich with natural resources. The west has plenty of interest in dividing it and exerting influence on it.

One could say also say this about Ukraine too, and it looks like Putin has more than an active interest in dividing it and exerting influence on it, regardless of what the Ukrainians want.

Also, close, land-based nukes are not quite as critical these days, with boomer subs on both sides. I understand that nobody wants land-based nukes on or near their soil. I think that agreements around nukes may be instrumental in any agreement on the path forward.

We also can't just allow anyone to claim paranoia and fear and use that as the basis for international "adventures" because where does it stop. Say Putin crushes Ukraine and decides he wants more. Can't he then just re-use this excuse to invade the Baltics, Poland, Bulgaria? Where does it end?

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How many Ukrainian refugees is China accepting?

Will they be treated well, while there?

Will they be allowed to travel inside the mainland?

Will they cut off trade with Russia?

At least they are paying attention to world optics on the invasion. That's a small step.

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