Prince Andrew loses military titles, patronages

That's interesting. It seems that the Queen probably thinks the allegations are true then.

The dude has been thrown to the pack of wolves as a deflector, he should give names ! Not saying he's innocent, just keeping media and pleb attentions, covering others.

cleoToday 09:51 am JST

Andrew abused his privilege to commit crime

He certainly abused his privilege. But having sex with a 17-year-old in the UK is not a crime, sleazy as it may be.

And the sleaze is on both sides - both the creepy older pervert getting sex for money (or as a favour from his friend) and the younger gold-digging whore giving it up for money and/or a glamorous jet-setting lifestyle.

Pity the poor queen having to deal with her favourite son being publicly outed as a perv.

I agree. This is an excellent summation of this whole sorry saga. I could care less about Brit royal family, but no one comes out of this smelling of roses.

Andrew abused his privilege to commit crime; a gaol cell should be his next destination.

starpunk

It's still a violation of US law. She was trafficked to him and she was a teenager, not an adult yet. That's pedophilism. And legally it's 'statuatory rape'.

It is absolutely illegal and wrong, but can we stop throwing around the term "pedophilia" nilly will? Pedophilia refers to attraction to children, not to young pre-adults only months away from legal age. This misuse of words obfuscates everything.

Also, where are all these other wealthy, influential guys, what are their names

Werner, Trump, Clinton, Dershowitz, et al.

Andrew abused his privilege to commit crime

He certainly abused his privilege. But having sex with a 17-year-old in the UK is not a crime, sleazy as it may be.

And the sleaze is on both sides - both the creepy older pervert getting sex for money (or as a favour from his friend) and the younger gold-digging whore giving it up for money and/or a glamorous jet-setting lifestyle.

Pity the poor queen having to deal with her favourite son being publicly outed as a perv.

Is Piers Morgan going to write an article in the Sun to defend Andrew's predilections?

Hasn't been convicted of any crime and the girl in question (17 years old) would be perfectly legal in the UK and most other countries. Which should have been his defense from the start instead of trying to spin a web of embarrassing lies.

Did someone also cancel his Airmiles account?

@cleo

To be honest I'm pretty disappointed by your response to this. You're usually one of the more level-headed commenters on here.

Flying on his plane is not illegal. There's TV footage of lots of the names above associating with their friend Jeffrey. And they've have been accused by alleged victims too just like Andrew.

Let's face it every name on the list is a scum bag.

As is the case with countless other men (and women) you can't take the randy out of Andy, and his lies and dishonesty are worse than his having had sex with this woman who was old enough to know what she was getting into with Epstein and his crowd of horny moneybags.

What a perverted grub this Andrew Windsor is. Keep him away from minors for the rest of his life.

What a soap opera that family is.

And the sleaze is on both sides - both the creepy older pervert getting sex for money (or as a favour from his friend) and the younger gold-digging whore giving it up for money and/or a glamorous jet-setting lifestyle.

What a repulsive quote. How do you know “this whore” wasn’t drugged or threatened with violence if she didn’t give it up. Can’t believe a woman write this quote.

Yeah, I wonder if they will go after Clinton

I hope they do... And Wexner. And Trump. And Dersowitz. And Black, Acosta, Tucker, Spacey, Gates, Staley...

I hope Ghislaine spills the beans on all of them.

The perv should be losing a little bit more like a few years of freedom.

LOL! Where are all those posters defending Andrew now while vilifying Harry and Meghan?

Sleazy royalty, could be a new cocktail.

What is the problem? She was 17. A full blown woman and judging by the photos, she liked to have sex with Andrew. She admitted she received US$15,000 from Jeffrey and who knows how much from Bill and from the others she was flying with together in the same jet from London to New York to Virgin islands, ...to....Japan?

Is she trying to make some millions now?

Why does not Andrew call it an improper relation like Bill did long ago and cleared his name? And was that sex or just a BJ ? Bill said BJ is not sex.

Another 'annus horribilus' for Her Majesty.

If they are going after Prince Andrew they should also prosecute her parents for neglect.

"Hey mum and dad, this middle aged billionaire wants to fly me to his private island to meet some of his middle aged friends. Can I go?

"Sure honey, but use a condom!"

What is the problem? She was 17. A full blown woman

Not in most countries. There are reasons why we have laws in place like drinking and driving a car or taking on serious responsibilities that adults do in their daily lives.

and judging by the photos, she liked to have sex with Andrew. She admitted she received US$15,000 from Jeffrey and who knows how much from Bill and from the others she was flying with together in the same jet from London to New York to Virgin islands, ...to....Japan?

You can't say she LIKED it, how would you know what that woman was feeling. Hate to say this, but people often do things for money, things that they would never do under normal circumstances, and I would recommend you to watch the Epstein story on Netflix, it's really fascinating, but this woman verbally said that she wasn't comfortable with Epstein touching her and when you watch it, you really feel sick in your stomach, but I don't think anyone has the right to prejudge this woman, we are not in her shoes.

Is she trying to make some millions now? 

Not on purpose, she knows that Andrew probably won't go to prison, but if she can get compensated for what was done to her, I think she should milk it, at least she can get SOME form of justice.

Why does not Andrew call it an improper relation like Bill did long ago and cleared his name? And was that sex or just a BJ ? Bill said BJ is not sex.

Well, it's not social studies either, come on now! Do you really want to use Bill as an example?

Driver license 14-16 what planet is that country???? in most rules base order society a full driver’s licence isn’t obtain until 19-20 and learner’s at 17 or 16 and 9 months some do allow for license at 16 which the driver must be accompanied by a adult. So 16 - 19 have restriction in place. Most parent through out the entire Middle East at the 16-19 have a chaperone or Chaperones. I get where your going but not all teen a have a mature thinking or mature problem solves skill hence the older you get the higher the pay rate. I work as a bus driver at a ski resort for years and some teenage were still simple children I remember asking a 16-17 boy why won’t you get on the bus you are holding up everyone. He said I waiting on my mother to help me get my ski boots on. I drove off hearing this and left him there with his mother. Everyone on the bus gladly thank me for not waiting and delivering at the lift before start.

A piece of garbage was kept with artifacts, then the people realized that it's merely a piece of garbage & has nothing to do with gold. By the way & regarding the rest of them: Not all that glitters is gold. Charlie is no better.

I hope they do... And Wexner. And Trump. And Dersowitz. And Black, Acosta, Tucker, Spacey, Gates, Staley... 

I hope Ghislaine spills the beans on all of them.

We don't know anything about anyone other than Clinton as being recorded the most for hanging around Epstein and Maxwell with over 26 recorded flight logs on his private jet as well as him going to Epstein's island in the Caribbean. Everyone else at the most is speculative and nothing, if the Feds had proof of any of these people mentioned we would have already known about it without a doubt and don't think they didn't check already, so we just have to wait and see who else could have been involved with this horrible mess.

He's the worst royal

He does more damage to the monarchy than anyone

How do you know “this whore” wasn’t drugged or threatened with violence if she didn’t give it up.

From her own words.

She said that he “wasn’t mean or anything but he got up and said ‘thanks,’” after which she “sat there in bed, just horrified and ashamed.” The next day Maxwell allegedly told her that she “did a really good job.”

“In the car Ghislane (Maxwell) tells me that I have to do for Andrew what I do for Jeffrey.

*Giuffre described how the alleged encounters with Epstein and other wealthy men often began under the guise of a massage before turning sexual. She said during the interview that she “went from being abused by Epstein to then being passed around like a platter—a platter of fruit.” *

Giuffre also alleged that she was instructed only to talk when she was talked to and be polite and friendly with Epstein’s friends.She recalled flying on private jets and going to places she never imagined she would visit.

https://time.com/5742379/virginia-giuffre-prince-andrew-bbc-interview/

No mention of being drugged. Threats? What threats? That she would be reported as an illegal alien? Nope. Was her passport confiscated? Nope. More like threatened that she wouldn’t be allowed to fly on private jets to places she never imagined, wouldn’t be allowed to stay in fancy hotels and palaces.

She knew what she was doing. She knew that the ‘massages’ would lead to sex. And that she would be paid for it.

I’m certainly not defending Andrew. He’s a sleaze and a perve and a disgrace to his family.

But she was no little innocent. Calling her a victim does great injustice to the genuine victims of trafficking and pedophilia.

No off course not. If was probably the best time of her life and if the truth is known also enjoy that time of life. But that isn’t the point. there were plenty of others victims and without this girl determination to squeeze money out of this sisutation these fillfy rich dogs and don’t forget the fillf bag know the ages of these other victims and certainly known they were braking the law but thinking that these crimes would stay unknown. Great work. This a classic case of two wrong does make a right.

There are reasons why we have laws in place like drinking and driving a car or taking on serious responsibilities that adults do in their daily lives.

drinking - 21

driving a car - 14 ~16, depending on the state

possession of a long gun - no minimum age in most states

marriage - with parental consent, 12~17 depending on the state; without, 18~19

age of consent - 16~18 depending on the state.

All over the place.

You can't say she LIKED it, how would you know what that woman was feeling.

She doesn't look in the least unhappy in the photo. And she kept going back again and again and again. If she didn't like it, why didn't she just leave?

People getting so upset over sex, while a woman who kills a boy through dangerous driving is allowed to return home with 'diplomatic immunity' and a boy who takes a firearm to a riot, shoots three people killing two of them is lauded as a hero.

It's sick.

Netflix has 4-part miniseries, “Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich” (2020), that ‘glimpses’ at his relationship with the now referred to ‘U.K. private citizen’ Andrew Albert Christian Edward. It also well-documents the ‘grooming’ these teenage girls such as Ms. Guiffre underwent by former socialite and now convicted sex-trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell. Judge for yourself from their own testimonials if you belief they voluntarily participated or were systematically trafficked and Andrew Albert Christian Edward’s involvement.

It's still a violation of US law.

News flash: US law is valid in the US, not in the UK.

The act by her own admission took place in the UK. US law does not apply.

Thanks for your response *@zichi 12:23pm. “*I made numerous posts about not being a supporter of a royal family system and an unelected House of Lords. Privileges over birth.” * *

In regards to the other, who has time for all that?:

- “You already know the answer from my archives which you seem to keep a record of...” -

At least, most veteran posters’ comment histories are available. (There are some ‘new’ ones that for some unknown reason aren’t and their comments seem protected from deletion.)

-‘Transparency builds trust’,… seems you would agree?:

*- @zichi 10:21am: “He could have apologised in the beginning and been done. Now he must face court and be questioned …” -*

Queen Elizabeth II's second son, Prince Andrew, only has himself to blame.

It is not as if the arrogant so-and-so has a single redeeming feature.

He served for his country Father says?

Well Father never let me off the hook for anything.

Love him to bits all the same

Might have been legal in the UK, but they didn't "do it" in the UK. Allegedly.

She doesn't look in the least unhappy in the photo. And she kept going back again and again and again. If she didn't like it, why didn't she just leave?

I don’t know. Why don’t battered women just leave abusive relationships. Perhaps they are too blame for their predicament as well?

Anyway, here is the answer to your question in Ms. Guiffre’s own words.

https://marriedbiography.com/virginia-giuffre-biography/

Also nice attempt to divert attention by bringing gun control into the discussion.

Curious as to if Your opinion @zichi 10:21am will echo the same here about “All empires come to an end, eventually.” - Has the monarchy “lost so much of the dignity it once had” and, is the monarchy going to survive this international scandal ? So many of you comments about America’s future could also ring true about this scandal and PM Boris Johnson’s continued hypocritical behavior.

Is the U.K.’s future as dismal as your comments yesterday about the U.S. ? -

Posted in: 58% of Americans believe U.S. democracy in danger of collapse: poll”

Jan. 13 2:56pm: “The country needs a strong third party to end the two-party system.

Jan. 13 2:51pm: “When I think back to the 1960s and '70s and how much freedom Americans enjoyed but since eroded.

Jan. 13 1:27pm: “The influence and control in the world make America an empire just like all those who went before. More foreign bases military bases than any other country. More than 800. The worlds biggest exporter of weapons.

The two-party political system is broken and damaged beyond repair.

Jan. 13 1:17pm: “America has reached the most divided nation since the civil war. The country has lost so much of the dignity it once had. It was a world leader in democracy. The country is awash in conspiracies.

All empires come to an end, eventually.” -

It's still a violation of US law. She was trafficked to him and she was a teenager, not an adult yet. That's pedophilism. And legally it's 'statuatory rape'. The law is the law and nobody is above it.

"Officers of the British armed forces must adhere to the very highest standards of probity, honesty and honorable conduct. These are standards which Prince Andrew has fallen well short of," they said, adding that he had "brought the services he is associated with into disrepute".

It's no different for American Armed Forces officers. Right after he was in the Falkland Islands War of 1982, he had a tryst with the American porn star Koo Stark. That caused a scandal right there.

Andrew has recently "given the impression of a rabbit running scared of hiding behind his mother's tartan skirts... trying to avoid the court papers being served on him".

If he's so innocent then what does he have to hide? Why is he blurbing and blubbering like he is? It conveys guilt. Time to fess up and own up, Randy Andy.