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The guy is still in his home. It seems the police is afraid to kill him and cause riots in the muslims suburbs ! I can't believe how submissive the French have become.

Here is a picture of one of the little girls that were shot by the bastard : http://www.postedeveille.ca/2012/03/france-tirer-des-lecpms-de-la-tuerie-de-toulouse.html 8 year old Miriam Monsonego was the daughter of the school's principal.

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Stormsilver: The guy is still in his home. It seems the police is afraid to kill him and cause riots in the muslims suburbs ! I can't believe how submissive the French have become.

Total nonsense. France doesn't execute people. The authorities want to judge him. Killing him will make him a martyr, which is even worse. Wasting the rest of his life in prison is way better than death for those guys.

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Whether this guy is telling the truth about his responcibility for the killings or not he's a dangerous individual, I'd be afraid to leave him to his own devices for too terribly long. If he has the resources to acquire the weapons involved he might have other unpleasant hanging around his house. Tred carefully and be safe French police.

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The guy is still in his home. It seems the police is afraid to kill him and cause riots in the muslims suburbs !

The police wants to get him alive in order to judge him and investigate possible complicities (is he a member of an established terror network?). It is not because the police is "weak" or wants to avoid riots.

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I agree do not kill this man, it is not a matter of a eye for a eye. making him a martyr would not bring peace. the police know where he is and he is not going anywhere.

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Its hard to ask a dead if he acted alone Stormsilver. Well, you can ask, but the dead are notoriously tight-lipped.

Thank goodness hasty people like you are not in charge!

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The guy is still in his home. It seems the police is afraid to kill him and cause riots in the muslims suburbs ! I can't believe how submissive the French have become.

No, the French police want to get this man ALIVE and question him over what happened. Anyway, murder in response to murder isn't the answer. If they do get him alive, then he needs to go into prison for life.

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The shooter has proved to be a meticulous operator. At the site of the second paratrooper killing, police found the clip for the gun used in all three attacks—but no fingerprints or DNA on it.

Wow! He is so meticulous he invented a time machine!

Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, meanwhile, denounced the deadly shooting attack at the Jewish school and condemned the link to Palestinian children.

Some forgot what he said as soon as they hit the period. Sad, because everyone should remember.

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Some forgot what he said as soon as they hit the period. Sad, because everyone should remember.

Who are 'some'? I certainly never made any remark against Palestine. The Palestinian Prime Minister rightly condemning these attacks doesn't take away from anything I've said.

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Religious nonsense and is only going to get worse. France has too many of these disaffected young Muslim men without work or hope and with radical views.

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Of course he is proud. In his world, he is sure he is going to be rewarded in paradise for this. This is not any different from all the other jihadist murderers, from the killer of Theo van Gogh in Holland to Colonel Hassan in the US. The names change, the ideology is the same.

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So France is on it's knees?? Keep on dreaming! RIP poor Jews killed by an idiot terrorist. Wakarimasen, we can blame unemployment etc..only so far, I do not remember any of the terrorists, mostly highly EDUCATED engineers from SAUDI ARABIA on 9/11 being unemployed, they just want to shove their RELIGION down our throats, SHARIA Law etc..IMHO.

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I think the cops want the information he has in his head...not that they are too soft...if they have no other choice I,m sure they,ll shoot him but no doubt he is more valuable alive.

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Religious extremism only breeds more extremism. Practice your faith quietly and peacefully, and most of all don't impress your beliefs on others. Sadly, the big three Abrahamic religions can not do that, it seems. Not many Judeo-Christians, however, go about on murdering rampages of self-determined "infidels", or at least not in recent centuries. Military incursions, though repugnant, are not "crusades" or "jihad" but certainly stir up the proverbial Hornet nest.

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TheQuestion: Whether this guy is telling the truth about his responcibility for the killings or not

I've head this from a few different people. Just curious why people are asking this? This question never comes up in other situations where a suspect is trapped and has confessed. He's given details about the killings he has done, he's given information about his time in Pakistan, which has been confirmed, etc.

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Who are 'some'? I certainly never made any remark against Palestine.

My God man! You certainly have a thing with jumping to conclusions! There are lots of people on this board who will disregard the man's words, even go so far as to accuse him of secretly cheering. Not all comments are about you, okay?

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Just curious why people are asking this?

Because he might be trying to take the heat for one or all of this brothers.

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Whether the Frech police kill this piece of garbage or not is their decision. But the worst and most timid reason not to kill someone is because "they will become a martyr." The more martyrs you make, the less significance they have. So if that's the main worry, kill away. Besides, if anyone sees a cowardly child killer as a martyr, it just makes it more clear what kind of people they really are.

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My God man! You certainly have a thing with jumping to conclusions! There are lots of people on this board who will disregard the man's words, even go so far as to accuse him of secretly cheering. Not all comments are about you, okay?

I certainly didn't jump to conclusions before when I correctly stated this was an anti-Semitic attack and I certainly haven't now. Notice how I asked 'Who are 'some'?'. If I hadn't asked that, then you'd be right, I'd have jumped to conclusions. But I did ask it, and then clarified my own position in anticipation of your response. Read properly.

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oginome, the guy is not even in custody yet. The only statements he has made for a motive have been made while surrounded by police holed up in an apartment and have been political and not bigoted. Yes, you are jumping to conclusions. Even if he later declares clearly hate for Jews, you still jumped to conclusions. You just feel safe doing it because its popular to do so in this atmosphere of favoritism.

As for it being about you, I read your first question as a rhetorical one. I am reading properly. But that does not mean I can magically divine your meaning when you have not made it clear what meaning you intend among other possibilities.

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oginome, the guy is not even in custody yet. The only statements he has made for a motive have been made while surrounded by police holed up in an apartment and have been political and not bigoted. Yes, you are jumping to conclusions. Even if he later declares clearly hate for Jews, you still jumped to conclusions. You just feel safe doing it because its popular to do so in this atmosphere of favoritism.

No, I'm not jumping to conclusions. What happened is blatantly obvious. He's already SAID he was trying to avenge Palestinian children as the reason why he targeted a Jewish school and murdered innocents. The anti-Semitism is as clear as day, it's bizarre watching everyone try to downplay it. No sphere of favouritism. Thet truth.

As for it being about you, I read your first question as a rhetorical one. I am reading properly. But that does not mean I can magically divine your meaning when you have not made it clear what meaning you intend among other possibilities.

No, it wasn't rhetorical, but a genuine question, so you weren't reading properly. I made it perfectly clear what I meant.

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Herve Nmn L'Eisa

" Sadly, the big three Abrahamic religions can not do that, it seems. "

Oh please, Enough of this relativization. Neither Christianity nor Judaism has the concept of jihad and shahidism. These are purely islamic concepts. And for that matter, not even universal inside islam. There are branches of islam, such as Alevite, Ismaili, and Amediyya islam, which have renounced violent jihad. And that is why we do not see Alevites, Ismailis and Amediyyas going on such rampages.

But instead of putting pressure on Sunnis and Shiites to do the same, we refuse to address the problem and allow hate-mongering Sunni and Shiite preachers to preach freely and indoctrinate kids like Mohammed Mera in Toulous.

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The CIA and MOSSAD want him alive, a few ghost flights around Europe and North Africa then on to Cuba where he will be shown videos of his familyb eing tortured and raped whilst constantly being asked who else he knows.

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I've head this from a few different people. Just curious why people are asking this? This question never comes up in other situations where a suspect is trapped and has confessed. He's given details about the killings he has done, he's given information about his time in Pakistan, which has been confirmed, etc.

Anything that involves the possibility of a larger terrorist network raises a lot of red flags in my mind. Getting handguns and the other weapons mentioned in this and other articals would have been difficult to manage by himself. The fanatical angle also makes me nervous. Between this and the embassy bombing (which may or may not be related) and this guy trumpeting his supposed deeds for all to hear and making a huge spectacle of himself all seems a little queer.

I don't doubt that this particular individual was involved in some way, I'm just unsure about in what capacity he acted.

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it's bizarre watching everyone try to downplay it.

No one is downplaying it. Some of us just aren't jumping to conclusions, and have the patience to wait for proof either way.

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Oh please, Enough of this relativization. Neither Christianity nor Judaism has the concept of jihad and shahidism.

They just use other names. You know, a rose by any other name.....

French authorities - like others in Europe - have long been concerned about "lone-wolf" attacks by young, Internet-savvy militants who self-radicalize online since they are harder to find and track.

Oh dear, they'll use this incident to censor the internet.

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Seavey: Because he might be trying to take the heat for one or all of this brothers.

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TheQuestion: I don't doubt that this particular individual was involved in some way, I'm just unsure about in what capacity he acted.

I see. Fair question to ask. I thought people were doubting his participation.

Hopefully they can take him alive.

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“It’s time for criminals to stop using the Palestinian cause to justify their terrorist actions,” Fayyad said in a statement. “The children of Palestine want nothing but dignified lives for themselves and for all the children.”

Criminals as well as radical liberals.

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In terms of Citroens torched in retaliation for the next few weeks here how will this spectacle compare with previous incidents of outrage and rioting by disaffected "yoofs" ? The comparisons in the article really dont tell you much. Will it surpass one thousand car-bq's ?

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Criminals as well as radical liberals.

Sounds like the broken record has skipped again! The left...the left...the left... What the hell are you talking about? Have you linked this nut to Islamic Socialism somehow? Or do you just enjoy driving a wedge between people united in condemning these barbaric acts?

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uillaume VarèsMar. 22, 2012 - 08:23AM JST

The police wants to get him alive in order to judge him and investigate possible complicities (is he a member of an established terror network?). It is not because the police is "weak" or wants to avoid riots.

The French police is weak. They do absolutely nothing against the Muslims who don't even do half of their sentence when they're caught. That guy was a recidivist, he was in Pakistan, Afghanistan, he was a member of the French islamic group Forsane Alizza that was supposed to be dismantle. What did they do during that time ? Nothing.

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WakarimasenMar. 22, 2012 - 09:42AM JST

Religious nonsense and is only going to get worse. France has too many of these disaffected young Muslim men without work or hope and with radical views.

Oh yeah... the poor little Muslim victim could only afford to get a BMW car while the average French drives in Renault Clio.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBejLLlE4dE&feature=player_embedded

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Merah dead after shootout inside the house. Special force cops went in and he started firing. Huge amount of shoots fired Leaped out of the window with a gun in his hand but was dead when he hit the ground. Dramatic end to a tragic story. Two cops hurt.

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I hope the two policemen recover. There is nothing else to be hoped. Radicals suck, no matter which agenda they have.

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Elite police squads set off sporadic blasts throughout the night and into the morning—some blew off the apartment’s shutters—in what officials described as a tactic aimed to pressure Merah to give up.

I don't know if that tactic ever worked, but I am positive that big boys get off on their big toys. But my criticism of the police ends there. Its over. He had time to surrender, and that time was not used to hurt anyone else but the cops who went in after him, which took a lot of guts. A speedy recovery to the injured.

I wish they could have taken him alive though. Now we are left wondering if anyone else was involved and to what degree.

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It is unfortunate that they were not able to catch him alive and get behind whatever was going on, but as much as many people here love to ignore that Islamic extremism is caused by a religious ideology that promotes these kinds of actions things like this will keep cropping up. Yes many people practice and believe in Islamic teachings under different guises, but the origin of Islam and its founder are not a pretty picture in the slightest. Its as if Mein Kampf and Marxism were promoted as a religion ideal instead of just a political way of thinking. Which is why this is never going to end. Sure we have our random cults (extremely small in scale) that go around doing terrorist acts, but when you have a larger cult like mentality that spans nations... Well its something that many people can't comprehend.

I will keep mentioning this, but people need to listen to muslim apostates and ex-muslims. They know why they left Islam and grew up with it and many were born in Islamic countries. It would be nice if its "just another religion" but its not unfortunately. This extremist way of thinking is a lot wider than many would like to believe, trying to give it the benefit of the doubt just won't work. Just because someone knows "a nice muslim" does not mean that must be the way all (or even the majority) of muslims think or act, its because that "nice" muslim is a nice PERSON. The Imams and "moderates" are a lot more subtle in their teachings in front of others than many would think its much more of a two faced game than many non-muslims would want to know.

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Lieberman2012: you imagine a world I don't want to be part off. The riots in the suburbs and killings of Jewish kids are completely separate problems. Then trying to link those things with the left is really narrow thinking.

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Islam is a magnet for scumbags like this, and a justification for despicable behavior. I am not a fan of any religion, but you name me any besides Islam that has such a substantial proportion of its adherents who admire a guy who singles out little kids and shoots them at point blank range. What other religion converts such a large number of convicts in prison? What did the imams do to stop this POS? Anything?

RIP for the victims. I wish they could have gotten this guy alive, but beyond that I do not mourn his pathetic end.

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This has probably been said, or should have been, but this scum bag, who murdered innocents, is definitely going to be seen for the scum bag he is, while the murderer of 16 innocents in Afghanistan will still be a question mark for people looking for an excuse as to why one example of mass murder is okay, but another is not.

Looking forward to the excuses!

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plasticmonkey: "Islam is a magnet for scumbags like this, and a justification for despicable behavior."

Excuses are an excuse for scumbags like this. They need not have specific names. Suggesting they do is just an excuse, as the criminal in question used.

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No one is downplaying it. Some of us just aren't jumping to conclusions, and have the patience to wait for proof either way.

The proof is right there - children murdered because they were Jewish. He admitted he was trying to avenge Palestinian children and targeted a Jewish school, because like many anti-Semites, he took Jew and Israeli to mean the same thing.

Really can't believe the blatant attempts at whitewashing the anti-Semitism here. And pointing out what it is is NOT favouritism, Islamphobia not being given the same amount of attention doesn't mean we give too much attention to anti-Semitism. You've got it all wrong.

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You said anti-Semitism was justified

Quote me.

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Quote me.

Sure.

I said 'anti-Semitism is creeping back into the mainstream'. You replied with

Favoritism will do that. The pendulum just went from one extreme to the other and now its going back.

Oh dear, favouritism will NOT to do that, people being rightfully viligant when anti-Semitism occurs is not 'favouritism', just because Islamophboia is not given the same attention. You don't rectify prejudice by employing more prejudice. It's important that Islamophobia is also recognised, but not at the expense of any other prejudice.

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@elbuda mexicano

RIP poor Jews killed by an idiot terrorist. Wakarimasen, we can blame unemployment etc..only so far, I do not remember any of the terrorists, mostly highly EDUCATED engineers from SAUDI ARABIA on 9/11 being unemployed, they just want to shove their RELIGION down our throats, SHARIA Law etc..IMHO.

It's so rare that I agree with any comments you make here, so only the jews who are killed were worthy of your "RIP"? and the other victims whom are french soldiers with north african and carribean descent weren't worthy of it?.Ignorance and bigotry create monsters like Merah and bales.RIP all the victims around the world!

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The phrase 'beating a dead horse' comes to mind.

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The phrase 'beating a dead horse' comes to mind.

The horse is far from dead as long as anti-Semitism keeps being minimised and rationalised.

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Racism isn't dead yet and its 2012, so I hate to say it nothing has disappeared no matter how much people would like it it. Neo nazi's and white supremacists still exist. So until those groups completely disappear a lot of other things are still around.

Funny how the word Islamophobia exists. Islam is a political/religious ideal, and yet the exact same people who cry about Islamophobia will criticise and mock christianity, buddism, and any other religion without a blink of an eye because they don't have to worry about the believers of those religions creating murderous riots, death threats, and terrorist acts for the slightest "offense" towards their respective beliefs. Tears for the crocodile in hopes it will eat you last I see. There is a big difference between hating a religious ideal, and hating the believers folks. Muslims are not an ethnicity, they're just followers of a religion (that I personally don't agree with by its teachings, or those that take it word for word in context).

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It's really amazing. Two days ago, I read an article that predicted the media narrative for this situation. First, assume the killer is a neo-nazi in the Norwegian mode. Second, admit he is Muslim but was a "lone wolf"- the article I read actually used that very term, as did the story above. Third, admit that maybe he WAS part of an organized group, but that the group doesn't really speak for any other Muslims. Fourth, worry first and foremost about any backlash towards the Muslim community by revenge seeking Christians/others.

Seems we are at step two, moving towards three.

Nobody is willing to see the elephant in the room, which is Islam as a political/social force, a force that is largely intolerant and aggressive and has been from it's founding 1400 years ago.

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Smith

Excuses are an excuse for scumbags like this.

I never said Islam was an excuse for this guy. He probably would have been a criminal regardless. He just wouldn't have gunned down innocent people in the name of some bizarre moral order. Radical Islam is not any 'excuse'--it was the driving force that transformed a disturbed young man into a terrorist. Do you not believe people are in part shaped by influences surrounding them?

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The horse is far from dead as long as anti-Semitism keeps being minimised and rationalised.

To rationalize: To analyze from a rational point of view. So is it fair to say you would much prefer emotionalism to prevail?

I never thought I would see anyone decry a calm rational approach to understanding, well, not unless they felt they had something to gain politically by everyone being too fired up to think straight.

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Readers, please stop going around in circles.

rationalise: attempt to explain or justify (one's own or another's behavior or attitude) with logical, plausible reasons, even if these are not true or appropriate

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To rationalize: To analyze from a rational point of view. So is it fair to say you would much prefer emotionalism to prevail?

Oh dear, you've got the meaning of rationalisation completely wrong. To 'analyze from a rational point of view' is to analyze. Nobody was using emotionalism but you in trying to rationalise anti-Semitism by speaking of 'favouritism' and media bias.

Once again, read the definiton of rationalisation that Cleo posted

rationalise: attempt to explain or justify (one's own or another's behavior or attitude) with logical, plausible reasons, even if these are not true or appropriate

I never thought I would see anyone decry a calm rational approach to understanding, well, not unless they felt they had something to gain politically by everyone being too fired up to think straight.

I correctly stated this was an act of anti-Semitism, while you kept trying to deny and obfuscate and call for 'understanding' for what this gunman did. It was you that said these people were innocent victims of Israel and America's policies. How is that not trying to pursue a political agenda?

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rationalize

Note definitions one and two. They are mine.

Note definiton three. That is yours.

Note that definition orders are placed in order of priority.

Yes, I rationalized in the sense of analyze rationally. I never sought to justify the murders or anti-semitism, and is unbelievably rude and mistaken that you continue to make those charges.

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