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Push to arm Ukraine putting strain on U.S. weapons stockpile

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By BEN FOX, AAMER MADHANI, JAY REEVES and DAN HUFF

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Don't worry, Biden will reach into the pockets of US taxpayers and hand over the cash to the giant defence contractors to replace the stuff that gets instantly blown up the moment it arrives in Ukraine.

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Don't worry, Biden will reach into the pockets of US taxpayers and hand over the cash to the giant defence contractors to replace the stuff that gets instantly blown up the moment it arrives in Ukraine.

It's money well spent if you ask me, and it is my tax money. The claim that the equipment is "instantly blown up the moment it arrives in Ukraine" isn't based on any objective reality. The Russian Army has lost around 1000 tanks, more tanks than most armies in Europe have in total, thanks to the thousands of anti-tank missiles western armies have sent to Ukraine. With a production rate of 35-40 new tanks per year Russia cannot sustain such losses forever. They will run out of resources to fight with. Then the tide will turn.

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US taxpayer here. I am ok with providing lethal and non-lethal assistance to Ukraine.

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Here is a good resource on keeping track of the equipment destroyed on both sides:

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1

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Don't worry, Biden will reach into the pockets of US taxpayers and hand over the cash to the giant defence contractors to replace the stuff that gets instantly blown up the moment it arrives in Ukraine.

First we lose millions in equipment in the botched Afghanistan withdrawal and now we are giving Ukraine pretty much everything we have and now we have a dwindling stockpile supply of our own should (God forbid) should something bad should happen.

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The Russian Army has lost around 1000 tanks

The internet is full of blown up Russian tank photos..... Many of which are in fact T-72s of the Ukrainian army.

There have of course been Russian losses, the way to counter effective anti tank fire is to obliterate the area from which the anti tank fire is coming with huge artillery bombardment. Slower than a mass tank advance but the result will be the same.

How much of the arm shipments are being destroyed before reaching the front? Difficult to tell, but the Ukrainians ability to move stuff by rail and road is being systematically reduced.

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Bronco - are you referring to the Russian drive on Kyiv? That is where I have seen most of that language used in the media. By contrast, the pace in the south was usually described as pretty quick, at least until recently. Mariupol was surrounded pretty early on.

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The irony is that the political left cheerleaders suddenly have a thirst for war when historically they were always protesting against war and here they are gleefully waisting American hard earned taxes on something that could have and should have been avoided if we had strong leadership.

The irony is that the political right cheerleaders suddenly have an aversion to war, when historically they were always fans of war and killing people.

There are several differences between being opposed to the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, and aiding Ukraine; The biggest is that Ukraine is asking for the help.

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Mr K - check out the Oryx site if you haven’t already. They do a pretty good of documenting and cataloging.

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More than the Democrats, but let’s focus for a moment.

Prove it.

Good, have more people leave the State.

I'm not talking about the state. I'm talking about raising federal income taxes. Make it happen. The rich can and should pay more.

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The irony is that the political right cheerleaders suddenly have an aversion to war,

and the left now seem to embrace it.

when historically they were always fans of war and killing people.

Well, that’s changed, times changed.

There are several differences between being opposed to the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, and aiding Ukraine; The biggest is that Ukraine is asking for the help.

But all of this money and we don’t have enough to help our people? Does that seem right to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

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Prove it.

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/384536-the-great-exodus-out-of-americas-blue-cities/

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/mar/30/new-york-and-california-exodus/

I'm not talking about the state. I'm talking about raising federal income taxes. Make it happen. The rich can and should pay more.

We already do. As long as Democrats go on the Robin Hood trailblazing income redistribution tour they will not win another election. You can’t spend your way out of poverty by taking someone else’s money

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Takeda, I am good with the US helping other countries defend themselves against aggressors like Russia.

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And this is from the left-leaning Newsweek.

https://www.newsweek.com/why-do-american-elites-want-war-ukraine-opinion-1673252

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In a way the Ukrainians are fighting right now for us so we don’t have to. We just have to keep Ukraine well supplied so they can get the job done not just for Ukraine but for democracy. The democracies around the world have to remember that, and all countries must contribute their fair share to see that Ukraine gets through this crisis. Also, it sends a message to the dictators that we, the peaceful democracies, won’t be bullied and we’ll fight back.

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We already do. As long as Democrats go on the Robin Hood trailblazing income redistribution tour they will not win another election. You can’t spend your way out of poverty by taking someone else’s money

Which has nothing at all to do with supporting Ukraine.

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“The U.S. already has provided about 7,000 Javelins, including some that were delivered during the Trump administration, about one-third of its stockpile,”

that’s a interesting nugget of fact that slipped in there. It will take 32 to replace what we have already given.

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Much ado about nothing.

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32 months that would be.

so the entire rest of the Biden presidency we are already out.

What happens for the next war he stumbles into?

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So, Black, when did you do a 180 on Ukraine? Was it when a Democrats got into power and started doing things you supported?

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Stockpiles? Well if you say so.

Stocks? My Raytheon, Lockheed and GD are A OK. That’s it, no more messing around, I’m definitely voting for a solid democrat or a republican in the next presidential election. It’s too bad Hillary lost or we could have got this party started years ago.

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The military aid Biden has been giving to Ukraine is a continuation of the tried and tested US cold war policy to outspend Russia into bankruptcy with America's bottomless pockets of capital; worked before and will surely work again, but this time ending with Putin's inevitable sudden demise: how else could this sustained Russian aggression end?

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It would have been better to have sent the 85 billion dollars worth of equipment to Ukraine, rather than have given it to the Taliban. At least the Ukrainians could have used it to defend themselves.

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According to the USA news site the helicopters that Biden promised to send Ukraine still havd not been sent .

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According to the USA news site the helicopters that Biden promised to send Ukraine still havd not been sent .

And sadly, won't be. Smh....

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It's unbelievable that people are talking about equipment, money, lives lost, etc. when this whole fiasco could have and should have been avoided.

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Good quality and strong leadership with vision would have avoided this disaster.

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