Putin's war in Ukraine nearing possibly more dangerous phase

So now Ukraine wants the US to “supply” them 500 javelins and 500 stingers a day.

notice it doesn’t say let them purchase. Give them. For free.

so the Population of the USA takes all these negatives of sanctions, gives him 13.6 billion dollars and now 1000 free weapons a day?

While it takes 2 hours a day in wages to buy gasoline for a US worker to get to work and home?

Blacklabel - Thanks for your concern, but you don't need to worry about us here in the US. We will be fine. We are a wealthy nation and our economy is insulated from the sanctions more than the EU and other countries.

@ Zichi - fantastic news. Thanks for the link.

Ukraine is fighting bravely and fiercely defending their sovereign land.

Keep repelling those fascist invaders, keep blowing up their tanks and troop carriers, and sending them back home.

Yesterday the Ukrainians sank a Russian troop carrier.

Nice sample for all that double or multiple sided information and propaganda spreading , especially in times of conflicts or wars. No one here ever really knows or can know why the ship exploded, if it even really was there or anywhere else or video shootage from years before or if the Ukrainians attacked or a mentally sick own Russian soldier or just by accidental explosion and if it sank or is still maneuverable etc.

Despite failing to score a quick victory

So... who promised a quick victory?

how and where to replenish his spent ground forces

Russian spend forces are not "spent" - here the main problem of Kiev.

Not long before Putin kicked off his war Feb. 24, some U.S. military officials believed he could capture Kyiv in short order

It's a problem of some US military officials.

It's a problem of some US military officials.

"Joke's on you, I wanted a protracted war that sapped my country's resources while getting sanctioned at hitherto unforeseen levels from the international community as prices for my people rise dramatically. You fell right into my trap!" - Vladimir Putin, apparently.

It is exactly like I said this morning in another thread here on JT.

The Russians will probably lose this war.

Therefore they become more brutal and more inhuman in their actions.

And they will not stop until they murdered everyone around them.

And to reach their goal, extinguish a complete nation, these mass murderers will not hesitate to use whatever is necessary. Even chemical weapons or even nukes!

Because Putin, his followers and supporters are completely insane!

This insane mob can just be stopped by the Russian Population.

Someone must wake up the Russian Population from the brainwashed and censored BS they were shown everyday by the Russian Media.

Someone must show the Russian Population what their massmurdering leaders are doing in the Ukraine.

Nice sample for all that double or multiple sided information and propaganda spreading , especially in times of conflicts or wars. No one here ever really knows or can know why the ship exploded, if it even really was there or anywhere else or video shootage from years before or if the Ukrainians attacked or a mentally sick own Russian soldier or just by accidental explosion and if it sank or is still maneuverable etc.

I suspected it was a screenshot from an old episode of I Love Lucy, and you have confirmed my suspicions.

Faced with stout Ukrainian resistance, Russian forces have resorted to bombardment of urban areas but made little progress capturing the main prize — Kyiv.

1 Main Ukrainian forces concentrated in urban areas (not outside and Ukraine is biggest country in Europe).

2 Russian forces try to surround rather than storm Kiev.

The main goal - Ukrainian Army (artillery tanks and planes.)

Ukrainians sank a Russian troop carrier.

Not sank but seriously damaged there was a big fire

It was flooded to avoid an explosion of ammunition in the hold

The main goal - Ukrainian Army (artillery tanks and planes.)

Exactly. The Russians have the capability to flatten Ukraine just like how America flattened Iraq, but it doesn't want to do that. The problem is the Ukrainian army is hiding among the residential areas using innocent civilians as human shields. This is how they work, along with forcing foreign volunteers (including medics) to go to the frontline. Compared to America and its past wars based on American lies, Russia is actually showing restraint. But don't wait for the MSM to tell you that.

It was flooded to avoid an explosion of ammunition in the hold

I'm not crying, there's something in my eye.

Putin demands that NATO refuse membership to Ukraine and other former Soviet states like Georgia, and that the alliance roll back its military presence to positions held prior to expanding into Eastern Europe.NATO leaders have rejected Putin's demands, and with uncharacteristic speed

Yes. It was so exactly before the "special operation" in Ukraine.

100% truth.

The main reason for this "operation" - Ukraine come to close to NATO membership.

And this is unacceptable for Russia.

You guys need help.

Compared to America and its past wars based on American lies, Russia is actually showing restraint. 

Russia bombed a children's hospital.

many words,but NEVER reason written why Russia have attacked?

some kind of "memory issues" for some?

Russian shortcomings in Ukraine might be the biggest shock of the war so far. After two decades of modernization and professionalization, Putin’s forces have proved to be ill-prepared, poorly coordinated and surprisingly stoppable.

It wasn’t a shock to anyone paying attention these past decades. The why is easy… still nice Grozny, nothing really been done, political patronage, endemic corruption, failure to invest in the basics, relying on conscripts then treating them awfully, show weapons… The surprise is why so many including Putin!) believed Russia was X times the force it actually is in reality.

Now they are starting to find themselves fixed in place, one of the worst places to be, on their way to being attrited.

It was flooded to avoid an explosion of ammunition in the hold

> I'm not crying, there's something in my eye.

The ship was next to the quay wall

it was unloading (so - not moving at all)

Ground-to-ground missile strike (one of the versions) or sabotage

But there just isn't enough depth for the ship to sink.

It was not in open sea.

@Pukey2

Exactly. The Russians have the capability to flatten Ukraine just like how America flattened Iraq, but it doesn't want to do that. 

I think this is a really important point that is being frequently overlooked. A lot of people around the world are used to the American shock/awe doctrine now when it comes to wars. Flatten the country with intense strikes and then move in to clean up whatever scraps are left. It is effective in "winning" in record time, but has catastrophic long term repercussions as can be seen time and time again.

Russia could probably do the same thing, but they obviously don't want to, they haven't even really been using the typical Russian deep war doctrine either. Not in the same way that they deployed it in Syria for example.

I think it is easy for anyone used to the shock/awe doctrine to look at Russia and assume that they must be struggling because they haven't reduced the whole country to ash yet.

There are a number possible options, fully arm Ukraine with aircraft, tanks, every missile, drone one could wave a stick at, with a nod to force some form of negotiated settlement.

And to hell with the consequences

Let Macron continue to mumble sweet nothings in Putin ear, as Putin death squads, wreck havoc on Ukraine's civilian population.

Give Putin an ultimatum, withdraw or the West will respond with military action, could be a prelude to WW3.

Or turn tail, fudge and run politically whimpering behind the sofa.

But make a choice, now, and own it!!!

And this is unacceptable for Russia.

Tough. Russia doesn’t have a god-given right to vassal states.

The main reason for this "operation" - Ukraine come to close to NATO membership

No, the main reason is Putin trying to Expand Russian territory and set up a proxy government in Ukraine.

Russian forces try to surround rather than storm Kiev.

As they did with Grozny, and then they bomb it to oblivion, like they did with Grozny and Aleppo.

It was flooded to avoid an explosion of ammunition in the hold

It flooded because it blew up and a nice big hole in the hull let all the water in. Opps.

Russian spend forces are not "spent" - here the main problem of Kiev.

150,000 Russians sent to invade and after only 4 weeks there are more than 25,000 Russian casualties either killed or wounded. Within another 4 weeks there would be under 100,000 of the original force left. Lose 1/3 in 2 months. Russian Army in one year of fighting will be on the endangered list. Russian sends in more and they lose more. Attrition will be the end of it as a fighting force and too much will be the end of Putin as President. Tens of thousands of Russian mothers will hold Putin responsible and they will get their pound of flesh off him.

We are a wealthy nation and our economy is insulated from the sanctions more than the EU and other countries.

Then why is gas $7, inflation at a 40 years high and your President saying prepare for food shortages?

Putin price hike wasn’t it? Even though it started in Jan 2021.

Javelin is 20 million yen each.

stinger around 5 million each

so 25 million x 500 every day?

Olegek

Despite failing to score a quick victory

So... who promised a quick victory?

Most likely a couple of intelligence officials, who are now under house arrest and a major Russian general, who hasn't been seen in public for some time and is experiencing 'heart problems'.

Has it never occurred to those posturing G7 Leaders, there lack of leadership, a noticeable spine column.

Is frankly creating the very catastrophic scenario, end game, they are supposedly trying avoid.

Patting each other on the back, at some look at me NATO summit, fiddling as Rome/Ukraine city after city burns

itsonlyrocknrollToday  04:20 pm JST

Has it never occurred to those posturing G7 Leaders, there lack of leadership, a noticeable spine column.

Is frankly creating the very catastrophic scenario, end game, they are supposedly trying avoid.

Patting each other on the back, at some look at me NATO summit, fiddling as Rome/Ukraine city after city burns

That is exactly what they are doing. Patting each other on the back, hugging it out, while Kiev is burning.

Someone in Europe needs to take the lead and either do something directly militarily, or just sit back and watch everything play out, no matter how it ends.

Then why is gas $7, inflation at a 40 years high and your President saying prepare for food shortages?

An inconvenience, but not the same as having your country invaded and whole cities flattened by a cruel aggressor.

The article is all just speculation and claims by NATO officials. As if they know what Putin's plan is or was.

They were right when they said he was going to invade Ukraine. You were wrong when you said it wouldn't happen. Why should we trust you over the experts?

As if they know what Putin's plan is or was.

True. Judging by what we see Putin’s plan was to … pretend to seize Kiev and major cities but secretly bumble along into a quagmire. Genius plan.

The tactic seems to be just to surround Kiev to put constant pressure on President Volodymyr Zelenskyy so he agrees to give the Russian speaking areas more autonomy.

So not regime change and denazification? Wow, how the goal post have moved. Thousands dead and millions of refugees so Kiev grants Russian-speaking areas “more autonomy”.

Well the Ukrainians don’t seem to be looking to give up. The Russians fear the internal consequences of giving up. Don’t know why people are talking about America as they are an arms length away and have in the past actively tried to avoid collateral damage, unlike the Russian hord at Europes gates. Shooting randomly at civilian areas. When you have a choice do you want Peace a nice life or a hord of barbaric armed youth in your street.

Russian spend forces are not "spent"

frontline soldiers are commonly replaced every 4-6 weeks. Any longer & they start to suffer fatigue & PTSD.

the Russian conscripts have been in action for 4 weeks now. Where are their replacements coming from - Chechnya ? Belarus ? Syria ?

The problem is the Ukrainian army is hiding among the residential areas using innocent civilians as human shields

you keep repeating that - pathetic reasoning for the bombing of residential areas

the "special operation"

you mean the invasion & destruction of Ukraine

Ground-to-ground missile strike (one of the versions) or sabotage

in other words, it was destroyed

I think it is easy for anyone used to the shock/awe doctrine to look at Russia and assume that they must be struggling because they haven't reduced the whole country to ash yet.

They’ve attacked a hospital, a museum full of scared children & used illegal weapons.

There is still time for your wish of total destruction to materialise

And they will, as it is just payback for giving the corrupt Joe Bidens son enough money to start another country.

Again, what country did Hunter Biden found? Where? What continent? What is its name?

Someone in Europe needs to take the lead and either do something directly militarily, or just sit back and watch everything play out, no matter how it ends.

Key here will be for the West to put the screws to the oligarchs, the siloviki and the Russian military and signaling that the best CB purse of action for everyone is for them to ditch Putin.

Then why is gas $7, 

Lol, don't believe everything you hear about my country, friend. Gas is not $7.

Enters a more dangerous phase, you men more dangerous then being attacked by a hord? How can it get more dangerous? Random shelling, not dangerous enough?

Not long before Putin kicked off his war Feb. 24, some U.S. military officials believed he could capture Kyiv in short order — perhaps just a few days 

They weren’t alone. Some of our more vocal pundits here were predicting a “Red Wedding” slaughter. But you know how their predictions always turn out.

Javelin is 20 million yen each. 

stinger around 5 million each 

so 25 million x 500 every day?

Since you’re doing it in yen, what’s gas at $7 in Japan? Cheap.

A friend of mine of Ukrainian origin visited tonight, and we fell into discussion over the war.

"When (not 'if') Putin loses, how will the Russian establishment deal with him?" I asked, having seen no speculation on that.

"Oh, they'll shoot him," he answered without hesitation.

Talk about guaranteed retirement. The fearful part is what comes after that.

Express sisterToday  04:27 pm JST

They were right when they said he was going to invade Ukraine. You were wrong when you said it wouldn't happen. Why should we trust you over the experts?

He is right.

Russia already invaded Ukraine in 2014, and stayed there.

So, the invasion was already over and done. Russia is now just expanding its presence.

Express sisterToday  04:37 pm JST

Again, what country did Hunter Biden found? Where? What continent? What is its name?

Ukrachina? Europe and Asia?

Biden is headed to Poland.

Let's see Biden cross that border and say "We stand with Ukraine."

I would truly commend him.