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Putin a bigger threat than Islamic State: McCain

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Even with Putin being such a danger to democracy, there are surely areas of possible future compromise or middle ground. Not so with the black Daesh who compromise with no-one.

Perhaps we could say that the immediate challenge is Daesh. The Russians are a longer-term challenge for the US. And if Trump/McCain think they have China eating out of their hand they are surely mistaken. The world if full of proud races and peoples.

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I have no words for this. Has McCain seen ISIS beheading innocent Westerners? Killing women and children? Throwing gays off of buildings? Making millions of people homeless, without food and water and basic shelter? Killing of US military troops? All the acts of terror and deaths in other countries around the world?

Yet, the leader of a country who might have unsuccessfully interfered with an American election is a bigger threat than all that?

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Definitely true, Russia is by far the biggest threat at the moment

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McCain is and always has been a joke. He got humiliated by Bush and Trump both and he still came back like a groveling, partisan dog.

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He fears Putin because he has no handle on the guy. And because he's riding the "Russia's to blame" wagon.

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McCain still hasn't got over the post traumatic stress disorder he got during ww2.

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As far as a threat to America, Russia is definitely the bigger threat.

For people living in Iraq or Syria however, Daesh is definitely a bigger threat.

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Mr. McCain is gripped by his prejudice against Putin & Trump, and lost his head to objective assessment. ISIS hatred & bend on violence for the rest of the world with almost daily killing & violence committed is clearly the biggest threat to people's safety, from any single group of people. Just go to any developed city airport, and ask why are we subject to such necessary stringent checks?

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Putin is winning and he's doing so in grand style. Putin is busy playing a masterful game of chess while Trump is coming out of the gate barely capable of playing a simple game of checkers. With a president as dumb as Trump against another world leader as intelligent as Putin, yeah, this is a scary thing. Let's hope that the next 4 years goes by quickly without Putin inflicting too much harm and that Trump is voted out of office and replaced by somebody else who's more intelligent and more capable.

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"As far as a threat to America, Russia is definitely the bigger threat."

If you're referring to America's ongoing and bipartisan efforts to straddle the globe like an imperial behemoth, maybe. If you mean a la the Cold War when my father built a bunker in our backyard outside Washington, DC, no. And frankly we're our own worst enemy. We haven't required Russia's help to flush trillions of $ down the john fighting "terrorism," which is about as close as you can get to Orwell's "We've always been at war with Eastasia."

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So said the WARMONGER Mr McCain ( Mr LIAR ), he does need to change his mouth wash brand.

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McCain is right in the long term and we already maintain an adversarial relationship with Russia as well as China, both nations which aspire to undermine American global hegemony established in the wake of WWII. The greatest risk to our country right now is having a man in the oval office who clearly doesn't understand this. Or perhaps the greatest risk is that we have at least half the population who can't recognize this.

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goodluck

Ahh, McCain was just 9 years old when WW2 ended......

Anyway, in this case McCain is exactly right. Putin is a master of deception and obviously learned his stuff well in his 16 years at the KGB.

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and? why do you even publish this as news... the guy is directly responsible for training and establishing isis...

I personally believe people like John McCain in any position of power are the largest threat to the world.

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Putin is a man, and an old one at that (don't let the plastic surgery and Botox fall you), and he is mortal. Isis is an ideological movement, and ideology is immortal. Putin does what he does out of self interest, and the interest of his friends. That being the case, he sees things as a matter of gain and loss, and measures his risks carefully. Putin is greedy and egotistical, but he is no fool. He can be dealt with in the same way all self-interested men can be dealt with, using reason, and a carrot.

Islamic militants don't care about gain and loss, and they cannot be reasoned with. To kill as many non-believers as possible, and to die in the process is the greatest honor they can perform.

McCain is an establishment politician, and as close the to heart of American politics as one can get. And none tried harder than McCain to insure another establishment politician became president. McCain opposed Trump's candidacy, and Trump's victory in the primaries and election was a big "eff-you" to McCain. And McCain, being the kind who holds a grudge, will never forgive Trump.

McCain should have been put out to pasture a decade ago. And guys like McCain are a reason why there should be term limits in congress.

Putin is winning and he's doing so in grand style. Putin is busy playing a masterful game of chess while Trump is coming out of the gate barely capable of playing a simple game of checkers. With a president as dumb as Trump against another world leader as intelligent as Putin, yeah, this is a scary thing. 

Let's see, Trump is a billionaire, controls large assets around the world, ran a successful campaign against established politicians in both parties, and is now president. Are such things routinely accomplished by stupid people? If you think you are smarter than Trump, what exactly have you yourself accomplished?

Pray tell, what has Putin won? It seems that most of whatever victories Putin obtained came while Obama was in office. Nothing which Trump has done since taking office has been much to the benefit of Putin.

Believe me when I say that Putin does not see Trump as stupid. Putin and Trump are men who get their way, regardless of any obstacles. But Putin certainly saw Obama as stupid. Obama did not fight or climb his way to power, he was picked up and put there by his party. If you want to know Putin's opinions of Obama, skim through a few issues of Pravda from the Obama years, you'll learn quickly enough.

I am not a big fan of Donald Trump, but I am wise enough not to underrate him. I said for the past two years that Trump would win the election, and no one here believed me. Though I don't know him personally, I know what kind of person he is. He isn't the smartest person on Washington, but he is certainly one of the most able. If not, we would now reading about the mishaps of president Cruz (Hillary would not have beaten any of the other republican candidates).

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He fears Putin because he has no handle on the guy. And because he's riding the "Russia's to blame" wagon.

Yates, Comey, Brennan, Gates, Clapper, Panetta couldn't find anything concerning collusion, even Pelosi of all the left loons admitted, there is no proof, so there's something you know that the FBI and the NSA don't?

ROFL, please share your evidence with us. Hope you have a security clearence.

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Yates, Comey, Brennan, Gates, Clapper, Panetta couldn't find anything concerning collusion, even Pelosi of all the left loons admitted, there is no proof, so there's something you know that the FBI and the NSA don't?

Exactly no one has said that. Why tell lies, Bass?

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Forgot Maxine Waters:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/28/maxine-waters-pushes-impeachment-i-dont-care-what-others-say/

Wants Trump impeached for......something... Russia....backchannel....Kushner.....I guess....? But ends her talk with:

*Waters closed saying she feels Congress is dragging its feet on the Russian investigation, and that there is enough information to move forward with impeachment.*

Evidence isnt even required any more, just information. I guess this is how McCain feels too, that information is enough. Sure, I understand he is salty because he lost his presidential bid and Trump insulted him pretty bad. But put that aside and do your work for the people who elected you.

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Exactly no one has said that. Why tell lies, Bass?

What are you talking about, none of these people could find ANY collusion between Trump and the Russians, throw that lure back in the water, good luck.

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What are you talking about, none of these people could find ANY collusion between Trump and the Russians 

Comey said that? Where?

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Putting the desperate lies aside for one moment, not only has Putin interfered with US and French elections but look at his record on the treatment of LGBT within Russia. Not to mention the long list of dissidents, critics and journalists who have had the temerity to go against him.

Anna Politkovskaya, Nikolai Andrushenko, Dmitry Popkov to name but a few.

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McCain still hasn't got over the post traumatic stress disorder he got during ww2.

You mean Vietnam, right ?

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PProbably not.

MMccain is so old he probably fought in the civil war.

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Let's see, Trump is a billionaire, controls large assets around the world, ran a successful campaign against established politicians in both parties, and is now president. Are such things routinely accomplished by stupid people? If you think you are smarter than Trump, what exactly have you yourself accomplished?

A lot has been accomplished by stupid people that were born into rich families. You forgot to include that nugget in your rundown of Trump's accomplishments. If Trump's daddy hadn't been extremely wealthy and well connected, Trump would not be a billionaire.

Evidence isnt even required any more, just information

You're playing the symantics game here, cupcake. Intellectually honest people understand that in this context information means evidence. That said, I'm happy to see you've dropped "proof" in favor of "evidence."

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Considering how McCain is such good friends with Isis, I am not surprised he would that about Putin.

McCain would be one of the largest threat to the world, including America, if anyone still listened to this psychotic guy.

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I can only assume he thinks Al-Qaeda are the biggest threat. The day Russian agents violently murder 3,000 innocent Americans and leave 7,000 with serious injuries in a single morning and then cheer about it, is the day I take McCain's comment seriously.

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Will ever Americans will start to learn from their mistakes?

 The US ignored Hitler in the hope he would fight the Soviets. He did, but the US also had to fight him al last, losing hundreds of thousands of its soldiers from the D-Day.

 The US armed generously the Islamists fanatics in Afghanistan in 80s in the hope they would fight the Soviets. Osama bin Laden fought the Soviets, but later he thanked America for its stupidity with 9/11.

 McCain is ready to meet even with ISIS because they are "lesser threat". Shall we wait for "thank you" from ISIS in Osama-style?

@Toasted Heretic

but look at his record on the treatment of LGBT within Russia

LOL!!!! McCain or any other US policymaker is welcome to visit Saudi Arabia, the best US buddy and the beacon of democracy in the Middle East, and lecture them about treatment of LGBT.

 The Western hypocrisy has no borders. They use LGBT thing when they want to pile pressure on the opponents, but miraculously forget about the subject when the find it expedient. With Saudis money talks, all garbage about human rights walks, right?

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@asakaze  The US ignored Hitler in the hope he would fight the Soviets

Is that what Russian textbooks tell you? I ask because I've never heard that before. I think most historians will say early on the US viewed it as a European problem. Which it was. The US also ignored what Stalin's policies led to in the 'borderland' countries, starving and murdering hundreds of thousands of SSR citizens.

 losing hundreds of thousands of its soldiers from the D-Day.

Maybe 50,000. A huge number, but not 'hundreds of thousands'.

 lecture them about treatment of LGBT

How are those in the LGBT community treated in Russia? It's led by a totalitarian regime, just like Saudi Arabia, just like Russia's current partner Iran.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/russia#e81181

I agree with you that the US has little business lecturing others given its history and partners, but neither does Russia.

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Considering how McCain is such good friends with Isis, I am not surprised he would that about Putin.

McCain would be one of the largest threat to the world, including America, if anyone still listened to this psychotic guy.

I must say I love watching the right turn on each other.

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@PTownsend

Is that what Russian textbooks tell you?

Off the mark, as usual. Senator Harry Truman told the world in 1941: "If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany and that way let them kill as many as possible".

Maybe 50,000. A huge number, but not 'hundreds of thousands'

I strongly recommend you to do some checking before writing, particularly on historic subjects. From Wiki: "Between 6 June and the end of August, the American armies suffered 124,394 casualties, of whom 20,668 were killed". And that just three months, also there werer campaign against Rommel, Anzio, Battle of the Bulge, crossing of the Rhine - long way to Berlin in May 1945. Do some math.  

How are those in the LGBT community treated in Russia?

As I've heard, they enjoy themselelves. I see that you try again to use the LGBT card? 

I agree with you that the US has little business lecturing others given its history and partners, but neither does Russia

One fundamental mistake: Russia does not lecture other counties, very unlike US and the West in general.

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Perhaps a Younger generation of World Leaders is required to move on from the ills that remain from the last Wars, and to take a fresh perspective upon relationships between Countries.

Sadly, though I doubt it. Military spending is a huge generator of jobs within each Country, so there needs to be some justification for their existence.

Surprisingly, with all the innovation on how to kill each other, we as a whole are completely vulnerable to an Asteroid collision, sure it's an unlikely event, and as of now, should it happen, all we can do about it, is suck out thumbs.... no great Nations then.

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Russia does not lecture other counties, very unlike US and the West in general.

Maybe in Bizarro world but unfortunately for us all, Putin's Russia is remarkably similar to Trump's US. Both countries have a glorious tradition of interfering in other sovereign states, not to mention invasions and espionage.

LOL!!!! McCain or any other US policymaker is welcome to visit Saudi Arabia, the best US buddy and the beacon of democracy in the Middle East, and lecture them about treatment of LGBT.

This is Putin's Russia I'm talking about, where the church and state work together to persecute LGBT people. I and many others here have condemned the Saudi regime and its appaling human rights records, so I don't understand what the problem is commenting on the former country?

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Maybe in Bizarro world

OK, you're welcome to give examples how Putin lecture other leaders what to do and how to do. Facts, please.

 Both countries have a glorious tradition of interfering in other sovereign states

Then Russia is not worse then the US, right?

This is Putin's Russia I'm talking about, where the church and state work together to persecute LGBT people

Share with the world facts of such persecution, please.

 I and many others here have condemned the Saudi regime and its appaling human rights records

Very nice of you. But I'd prefer condemnation not from you people, but from state officials. I hope you see the difference between the opinion of private citizens and official state policy. And the Western policy towards Saudi Arabia is very clear: when it comes to Saudi money Western leaders immediately forget about their usual moralization speeches.

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@Asakaze.

Not much point. It's all whataboutery and a refusal to acknowledge the downward spiral the Russian state has been in for years.

Reading over your posts concerning parades and LGBT people in the failed state; it appears you seem quite unperturbed about that particular area.

Since the trend here is for the entrenched to ignore/not read/dismiss links that may challenge their outlook, I think I'll leave it.

By all means, claim the moral high ground and how any and all accusations against Putin's Russia are baseless and unfounded. Because only America can be the wrong 'un...

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"I think he (Putin) is the premier and most important threat, more so than ISIS,"

McCain is right of course. Russia is by far the bigger threat. ...with Donald Trump running second.

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@Toasted Heretic

it appears you seem quite unperturbed about that particular area

And why should I? You provided no facts, only usual propaganda noise. Give me facts and I'll do my best "to be perturbed".

 refusal to acknowledge the downward spiral the Russian state has been in for years

Then ask McCain to calm down and  "acknowledge the downward spiral the Russian state". And if Russia is in such a bad shape, how come it is the biggest threat to the US? Where is logic?

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@Asakaze

I see no difference between Putinbots and Trumpbots. No amount of facts, links, articles, testimonies will change anyone's mind when they are that entrenched.

It just boils down to whataboutery which gets tiresome and circular.

Both countries could do with downscaling, mind. Superstates are so passe in this day and age.

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I see no difference between Putinbots and Trumpbots. No amount of facts, links, articles

 Naming your opponents .....bots is a sure sign that you're not going to burden yourself with facts and proof. 

Both countries could do with downscaling

And tell it to McCain too, as well as to some posters here who are very concerned that the US might loose its world dominance (though a greater part of this world did not ask the US to dominate over it).

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So by McCain's own standards, McCain is a threat to democracy greater than ISIS as well. Remember him in Ukraine right before the coup?

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Naming your opponents .....bots is a sure sign that you're not going to burden yourself with facts and proof.

Just following your lead.

And tell it to McCain too, as well as to some posters here who are very concerned that the US might loose its world dominance (though a greater part of this world did not ask the US to dominate over it).

Couldn't give a toss if the US loses its "dominance". Nobody asked for it. Just as nobody asked for Soviet dominance in Eastern Europe, Afghanistan etc.

Ah, whataboutery. Evil, evil whataboutery! Don't seduce me again...

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Just following your lead

Where, exactly?

Couldn't give a toss if the US loses its "dominance". Nobody asked for it.

Be careful! McCain and his followers here can declare you a Putin agent!! lol

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I must say I love watching the right turn on each other.

But watching the left go at each other is even more satisfactory.

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But watching the left go at each other is even more satisfactory.

Not as satisfactory as reading that contributors have links to the intelligence services, though.

Not very intelligent of them, is it?

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Well it's like McCain is admitting ISIS is under his control. He took pictures with them. Putin made fun of him so he's still bitter about that. I find the joke pretty funny actually.

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takeda: When did Comey say he could not find ANY evidence of collusion?

You might want to explain to the right-wingers why that's important. I can't imagine any of them have done any kind of research on their own.

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You might want to explain to the right-wingers why that's important. I can't imagine any of them have done any kind of research on their own.

We do, but the difference is, we take a wait and see approach before lighting a fire for a BBQ. Now if libs could be patient before eating the raw meat....

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Even CNN saying no collusion by now. I hope McCain can move on to something that actually happened and just do what he was elected to do which is pass legislation not pass moral judgment.

Camerota replied, “You should be concerned if there was collusion.” The guest replied, “I don’t see any evidence of collusion. Do you?” The CNN journalist responded, “No.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/how-much-crow-are-you-going-to-eat-john-sununu-owns-cnns-camerota-on-cnn/

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History will regard Vladimir Putin as one of Europe's greatest ever leaders. He's had some failures, most notably the failure to diversify Russia's economy away from oil and gas.

In the context of what Russia was in the late 90s, declining military capability, collapsing economy and demographics, and the possibility of the Russian Federation itself breaking up, what Putin has achieved is remarkable.

Russia's demographics have turned a corner, and Russia's economy is much more bouyant than it was. Russia's military is in a much better place.

The issue tends to be though that Western media misreports a lot of what happens in Russia.

For those that are interested I encourage you to find on youtube Putin's critique of Western countries. It is brutal and wholly correct.

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McCain is right. He is one of the few politicians who is not afraid to say the truth. Under Putin Russia has become a state sponsor of terrorism, many ISIS fighters are sent to Syria from the training grounds in Chechnya (part of Russian Federation that is administered by his puppet - Ramzan Kadyrov). Putin is the former KGB officer, this is KGB/FSB that brought him to power and he continues to live up to its ideals, aiming to destroy the Western democracies. Russia can never be an ally to the West as long as it is ruled by bloody dictatorship.

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History will regard Vladimir Putin as one of Europe's greatest ever leaders. He's had some failures,

But they're not alive anymore and the rest are in gaol and the LGBT are working out great as a focus for hatred. The invasions of Ukraine, Georgia and Chechnya went down a storm and the meddling in the US and French elections solidified his greatness.

It's a pity his online army is so transparent, mind.

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Bass: We do, but the difference is, we take a wait and see approach before lighting a fire for a BBQ

Good, then let's wait and see what the investigation yields.

blacklabel: Even CNN saying no collusion by now.

And I believe the FBI invites CNN into their offices on a daily basis to review evidence.

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I think America's own politicians are a bigger threat to the US than Putin and IS together. McCain should look in the mirror.

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So so so done with the USA's hypocrisy and pointing fingers to russia. USA is the criminal nation and father of all terrorism. Burn America, rot on hell.

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Good, then let's wait and see what the investigation yields.

Oh, I am all for that.

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Mr McCain: Your absurd remarks was the reason why people depise on you but I think you don't cares but continue your prejudice over Mr. Putin!

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