Putin calls for broad international anti-terror front

“We must leave all arguments and disagreements behind and make one powerful fist, a single anti-terror front, which would work on the basis of international law under the aegis of the United Nations,” he said

No one is stopping you Vlad. ISIS has been at the killing game for more than a year. Your boy Assad has all those chemical weapons you gave him. What's the beef Vlad? Maybe take the first step and end your occupation of the Ukraine.

Your enemies are armed to the teeth with AK-47s and RPG-7s.

Where did those come from, I wonder?

Correction ISIS has at the killing game for over five years with brutally targeted innocent lives ending in horrific deaths.

@kcjapan

Assad has all those chemical weapons you gave him

Not correct. Russia (Putin) did not provide Syria with chemical weapons.

Maybe take the first step and end your occupation of the Ukraine

Oh, yesss!!! Here is the key to all Middle East problems! Ukraine! But one correction: Ukraine is occupied not by Russia, but US-sponsored coup plotters in Kiev.

@JeffLee

Your enemies are armed to the teeth with AK-47s and RPG-7s.

Where did those come from, I wonder?

From liberated Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan.

IS sells its smuggled oil for US dollars. Where did those come from, I wonder?

Against him? Good idea.

Where did those come from, I wonder?

The Ak-47s? If new, Romania. No, I am not joking. Romania is the world's largest producer of Ak-47s.

If old? Perhaps from a country that collapsed after the Berlin wall fell and the Cold War ended. You can't blame Putin for that. And Russia certainly did not want its own fall from grace.

Yes, Mikhail Kalashnikov designed the gun in the mid 1940s and he was definitely Russian. But he himself lamented the gun's uncontrolled distribution, and its not his fault and its not Russia's. The gun's low price and extreme reliability are primarily responsible for its popularity and distribution. Variants are made all over the world, including China and America.

Asakaze,

IS sells its smuggled oil for US dollars. Where did those come from, I wonder?

From Turkey's Edrogan according to Russian allegations. Are you seeing any signs of proof forthcoming in the Russian media that Putin claims to have in this department, or should I just write it off as baseless propaganda for internal consumption?

I'm not sure how the Russian president hopes to build a broad coalition by having a tirade against the people he says he wants to work with, or am I missing something?

Madverts,

I do not follow Russian media, I read Japanese newspapers.

Anyway, I think the main problem is not providing the proof by Russians. The main problem is to acknowledge that proof. The West has a long tradition of seeing what it wants to see and ignoring what it does not want to see. Saddam turned inside out to show that he had no WMD, but the West found "100-percent proof" that he had. It turned out to be completely false claim (oops, can't you believe it!), but the excuse for the invasion worked like a charm.

Let's think logically. Russians said that they have destroyed hundreds of oil trucks (there are videos on youtube) that were heading from ISIS-controlled territories to Turkey. Do you believe that such a large scale smuggling operation can run without consent from the Turkish government?

"We had no idea" ain't gonna cut it, especially when Erdogan's son in-law is the National Minister in charge of Oil.

The oil is literally being pumped under ground and through the border to individual Turks on the other side.

Sure, there are lots of fancy ideas people have about putting an end to that. But lets go back to American tea smugglers in the 1770s. Cracking down on that did not go so well for Great Britain.

Asakaze ,

Other than the fact that your Iraq references are a strawman, the "WMD" dossier was highly contentious at the time. You're more than old enough to know your statement is pertinently false.

Russians said that they have destroyed hundreds of oil trucks (there are videos on youtube) that were heading from ISIS-controlled territories to Turkey. Do you believe that such a large scale smuggling operation can run without consent from the Turkish government?

The Russians seem to have a reoccurring credibility problem. If they had the real proof they say they have why aren't they showing us concrete evidence ?

And speaking of a Russian credibility problem, Burning Bush old lad,

The satellite pictures are widely available for viewing and scrutiny on the internet.

Really? Piccies of Edrogan and son in-law driving off in the tankers? These are the allegations that are being made and they're rather serious.

It's pretty naive to think these third world countries aren't rife with corruption and that there is obviously a huge global black-market for commodities such as oil.

Putin is up against it - he wants to fight an effective war against ISIS where all along US/NATO have been dragging their feet and applying ineffectual measures. Russia enters the fray with serious intentions and US/NATOs been complaining and moaning ever since.

Madverts,

In fact, your reply is a perfect confirmation that my idea is right. I gave a specific example how the West manipulates the truth (facts, proof) in order to see what it wants to see (or pretends to see) to achieve its goals, and you immediately dismissed it as a "strawman" ("tinfoil" etc.). You just don' t want to see what you don't like. I 'm really "more than old enough" to know that its very typical, and I think that you're "more than old enough" to be cured quickly, so I'm not going to loose my time on trying. I'll just calmly wait what Mr.Putin say and do next.

The leaders of some Western countries conspired to fabricate an excuse to invade Iraq. Your statement is still pertinently incorrect. And obviously, nearly every single European was utterly against the invasion, a fact you conveniently choose to ignore. You seem to be defending Russia's credibility problem with George W Bush and Tony Bliar's credibility problem, none of which actually makes sense. This isn't Tinfoil hat territory, it's a strawman argument to avoid the initial question.

I'll just calmly wait what Mr.Putin say and do next.

Heh, and the rest of us are sitting calmly waiting to see the proof Putin says he has. Is he going to keep us waiting long do you think?

Whatever everyone thinks of Putin, he's got bls, whatever politics you believe, its all construed by the media anyway. Here's a man who is asking for a mutual support to combat ISIS and then whatever the outcome , politically he wants the UN to oversee the political transition and the rewriting of a new constitution for Syria and its people. The west has been pussyfooting about, worrying about their own political future instead of all those that have suffered atrocities at the hands of ISIS and other terrorist groups. People killed , people displaced, human suffering on a grand scale. People seem to agree worldwide that ISIS has to be stopped, eradicated,some might not agree how, but Putin isn't sitting on his ae he's doing something, because ISIS is threatening anyone , everywhere, no county is safe and if they think they are, then they're disillusioned. thats my rant for the day, me I'm a pacifist, and politicians don't function in reality or anything else in my book, but we must all take a share of their incompetence , why, because we voted them in.

Minello7 - right on.

Putin is in it to sell Russian bombs and guns and to keep their only foreign naval base. It has nothing to do with balls and everything to do with the mad chess game being played out between all parties involved. Only they are using human bodies as chess pieces. Hundreds of thousands of them. There is no moral high ground to be had.

"But he himself lamented the gun's uncontrolled distribution, and its not his fault and its not Russia's."

Are you kidding? The Soviets flooded the Mideast, Africa and other dangerous parts of the globe with AKs and other weapons throughout the postwar period until the 90s, giving them away like they were candy.

Madverts,

every single European was utterly against the invasion, a fact you conveniently choose to ignore

That's something. Old chum, It's not me who ignored the sentiments of Europeans, it were war criminals Bush and Blair who completely disregarded Europeans' opinion and started the war. Please do not, umm, bend the truth so obviously.

Anyway, you're my favourite sparring partner here, so I'll give you one more try on the subject of proof.

Remember our discussion last week about the shot down Turkish plane? You claimed that the Russians killed both Turkish pilots, the claim originated from Al-Arabia and soon debunked as a fake (both dead pilots were retrieved by a US ship). Anyway, you repeated this lie simply because it conveniently fitted your likes and dislikes, and you were not interested in any proof.

The same is in the Big Politics. If it suits its aims, the West can fabricate (or ignore) any proof. When asked about what proof did they have to corroborate the claim that Malaysian jet was shot down by pro-Russian rebels, US officials muttered something about social media and youtube. But that was more then enough to start mass hysteria "Putin killed our children". Russians were more then willing to offer any kind of proof that the rebels simply could not do it, simply because they did not have such weapons or training, but to no avail. The West just found it very expedient to pile pressure on Putin in this way, and any proof was ignored. Russia was just declared guilty, pure and simple. That's how the Western propaganda machine works.

Back to Turkey. It does not matter much what kinf of proof Russians have. What the West is going to do about it, that matters. If they want to squeeze Erdogan a little for his too brazen business with ISIS, then the West would find Russian proof sound and reliable. If they prefer to use Erdogan as a battering ram against Putin and Assad, then whatever the proof is, it would be declared unsufficient, Even a photo of Erdogan, personally driving an oil truck on Syrian border would not be enough.

That'all for now. Don't drink too much on the weekend, I need you in top condition for our next sparring. Cheers!

You claimed that the Russians killed both Turkish pilots, the claim originated from Al-Arabia and soon debunked as a fake (both dead pilots were retrieved by a US ship). Anyway, you repeated this lie simply because it conveniently fitted your likes and dislikes, and you were not interested in any proof.

I didn't report it as fact. I said there were leaked documents that suggested this happened. Please be fair now. And again, this has nothing to do with the topic, merely more obfuscation my friend.

It does not matter much what kinf of proof Russians have. What the West is going to do about it, that matters.

Well, actually seeing it would be a good start. My point from the beginning.

If they prefer to use Erdogan as a battering ram against Putin and Assad, then whatever the proof is, it would be declared unsufficient, Even a photo of Erdogan, personally driving an oil truck on Syrian border would not be enough.

Turkey are big boys, what on earth makes you think they're following orders? It looks to me they're going rogue and playing their own dangerous game.

Have a good weekend yourself I won't be compos mentis tomorrow - taking the employees out for end of year p-art-y :) Nastrovia and all that...

Russian President Vladimir Putin called Thursday for “one powerful fist”

Surely he meant "one powerful foot?"

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Russia enters the fray with serious intentions and US/NATOs been complaining and moaning ever since.

Yeah, especially obama himself. But, LoL, he's done a 180 by putting special operation forces on the ground. In other words, "elite" boots on the ground.

Let's see what these elites unit can do- given their own brass are calling the shots instead of a bunch of top-clowns from the "administration."

A united front against ISIS? It would be a lot easier is the Turks would stop buying ISIS oil! I mean, who do those Turks think they are anyway? Don't they know they are not allowed to buy oil from two bit murdering terrorists we don't approve of? They are only allowed to buy oil from murdering tin pot dictatorships we do approve of! Come on Turkey, get with the showgram!

And don't tell us how a slowdown in the flow of oil would hurt your economy! We are not interested in your economy! We are worried about OUR economies! Selfish greedy Turks! Think of us over here on the other side of the planet! We don't even get to see Russian bombs blow up feet away from our borders! You guys get all the fun!

@Asakaze "You just don't want to see what you don't like".

Indeed, a bright example of rotten western hypocrisy. That is why they are trying to insist that 'Putin defends his bases in Syria instead of fighting IS'. They perfectly understand all but they will prefer to deny. You can show them detailed satellite images about routes of oil tankers from Syrian land to Turkey and even nods of illegal oil traffic of IS thugs but anyway they will scream about 'total lack of evidence'. Frankly, I think that Russians are able to complete the job in Syria solely, without 'help of western friends'. Because with 'friends' like them, who exactly needs enemies ?

You can show them detailed satellite images about routes of oil tankers from Syrian land to Turkey and even nods of illegal oil traffic of IS thugs but anyway they will scream about 'total lack of evidence'.

Come on now. Madverts said earlier:

It's pretty naive to think these third world countries aren't rife with corruption and that there is obviously a huge global black-market for commodities such as oil.

You can find articles about ISIS is getting oil to Turkish smugglers. Granted it does not seem the Turkish government is not doing much about it, but, what would you like? And did you bother to think what that would entail for the Turkish people and their economy? Is NATO prepared or even offering to compensate? Its easy to sit there in comfort and insist Turkey should bear the brunt of all our goals and aims in Turkey, but do you think the Turks are just going to do it all for us? Don't think they have or are entitled to interests of their own? Don't you think that as Syria's neighbor, they have a hell of a lot more at stake than you do, from half a world away?