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Putin hails meeting, thinks Trump accepted election-meddling denials

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Trump got completely played. The Russians have totally figured him out. No wonder they didn't want Hillary. She would have stood up against them and for the United States.

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Putin is absolutely correct. Now Trump's people are scrambling to deny this. Stephen Colbert was right.

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The Russian conspiracy thing has been thoroughly debunked.

Three CNN reporters were caught making up fake news.

Go back to watching James Bond movies if you're interested in all that KGB CIA nonsense, the rest of us in reality will proceed with real world affairs.

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Who would have guessed? ;)

Has anyone else seen the article about DJT jr. meeting Russian lawyers during the campaign.

Honestly, I think he's doing it on purpose at this point. Utterly incompetent.

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The Russian conspiracy thing has been thoroughly debunked

According to Russia Today, Fox 'news', Breitbart and other pro-totalitarianism, right wing sources, perhaps. The rest will wait until the investigations have been completed.

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Trump skipped having a press conference

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Trump skipped having a press conference

This is what robust leadership looks like ;)

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Trump got completely played. The Russians have totally figured him out. No wonder they didn't want Hillary. She would have stood up against them and for the United States.

Or Trump could have played them, he played the media so well a few times and threw it back in their face, Never let the left hand see what the right hand is doing.

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Who cares what Russia did?

Not a single Russian voted . Besides individual American voters are not like zombies who can be easily brainwashed by anyone or any government, for that matter including the American government! Lol!

Individual Americans always have that 'I'm Your Captain ' type of confidence in their right to vote that is second to none!

Those sour losers should learn how to suck it up and accept your duly elected president.

It's about time you HC people stop making America the laughing stock of the world!

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Who cares what Russia did?

Dunno, Robert Mueller? ;)

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Robert Mueller?

Yes!

He must be a Russian spy out to topple the Trump presidency .

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According to Russia Today, Fox 'news', Breitbart and other pro-totalitarianism, right wing sources, perhaps.

Russia Today? What a joke and I don't even know why it's in the States, I never heard of it until my liberal friends kept talking about it, but now I see why.

pro-totalitarianism??

Naw! We had that for the last 8 years and now the shackles are off us!

The rest will wait until the investigations have been completed.

We should.

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If the meeting between Trump and Putin was historical and so important why no joint press conference? No mention of Snowdon?

"President Trump still knows that they meddled. President Putin knows that they meddled, but he is never going to admit to it. And that's all that happened," Ambassador Nikki Haley told CNN on Saturday.

Why CNN? So the White House could claim fake news when it reports her statement.

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So two podiums were prepared one for Putin and one for Trump which was removed before the Putin press conference.

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Why CNN? So the White House could claim fake news when it reports her statement.

Becaue it came from Haley's mouth and not some reporter at CNN.

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Putin went into the summit with clear goals and definite methods to achieve them. Trump, by his own staff's admission, was winging it. Trump obviously overestimates his "negotiation" skills, and everyone on his staff is too terrified to inform him of this.

This is not a business deal, where you can hear a variety of opinions before making a decision; this is a battle for public perception. Putin's remarks above were brilliant. Notice the multiple use of "agree," the cynical "agreement" on cybersecurity - and, icing on the cake, the obligatory fawning over Trump's deep intellect. In the end, it won't matter, though; in fact, it might just encourage the investigators to dig deeper. There are some who abhor being played.

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The rest will wait until the investigations have been completed.

I admire your patience, but you're going to need a lot of it. How long are you willing to wait, until 2025 when Trump hands over the crown to Kushner, or perhaps Ivanka?

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How long are you willing to wait, until 2025 when Trump hands over the crown to Kushner, or perhaps Ivanka?

Curious choice of year: 2025's when Putin says he'll leave the Russian throne. As someone working for the brigade, have you heard insider info saying Putin's going to allow Trump to continue until 2025 (assuming his health problems don't get any more serious), and if he in fact has approved Kushner or Ivanka as successors?

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@PTownsend

The rest will wait until the investigations have been completed.

Nah!! A lot of people (and many posters here) do not need any investigation, they are already talking about the meddling / hacking thing as 100-percent proof. Why bother to wait?

2025's when Putin says he'll leave the Russian throne.

Can you provide a link? Or the sources are the same that provide fakes about "hacking"?

The more I observe the whole meddling / hacking hysteria the more it reminds me the plot of "Homeland" sixth season, where the new US president-elect wants to have a normal, working relationship with Iran, but the "deep state", nefarious creatures in the US intelligence, media and an army of bots, fiercely try to stop it, fabricating proof that Iran is cheating on the nuclear deal. Replace "Iran" with "Russia", and "nuclear deal" with "hacking", and you'll have the exact picture of what is going on now in Washington, DC. The Homeland creators know their job pretty well. Or may be they are Iranian agents?

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@Asakz Great to hear you watch Homeland! You do know, I assume, that it's fictional. One of the great things about media that's not too strongly controlled by the state is shows like Homeland (or Star Trek, or Breaking Bad) can be aired. This allows individuals watching the show to understand in their own way how 'real' the scenes might be. Out of curiosity, is there a comparable show in Russia?

I'm a bit surprised, however, that you watch it, especially after reading your posts saying the 'mainstream media' cannot be trusted. You know, I assume, that Homeland is produced by Showtime which is owned by CBS, which is part of what some call 'mainstream media'. Or are you saying that 'mainstream' media is all right when they show things that support your beliefs?

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Asakaze

House of Cards is much better entertainment than Homeland and more like the Trump WH.

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@PTownsend

Out of curiosity, is there a comparable show in Russia?

Frankly, I don't know, I'm from Japan (that's why I'm on JT, to practice my English).

after reading your posts saying the 'mainstream media' cannot be trusted

Um-m, wasn't CNN recently caught making a staged "report" in London? Or weren't CNN staff fired for lies so obvious that there were no other way then to dismiss the liars?

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/27/cnn-journalists-resign-latest-example-of-media-recklessness-on-the-russia-threat/

By the way, I repeat my request to provide a link with your story "2025's when Putin says he'll leave the Russian throne". Did you get it from CNN or another absolutely trustworthy mainstream media? lol

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@aska provide a link with your story "2025's when Putin says he'll leave the Russian throne".

My error: 2024.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/112415/will-putin-ever-leave-office.asp

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30533034

http://www.theweek.co.uk/vladimir-putin/61478/vladimir-putin-i-may-be-in-power-until-2024

http://www.smh.com.au/world/vladimir-putin-may-lead-russia-until-2024-20130919-2u39r.html

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vladimir-putin-hints-that-he-could-return-to-lead-russia-until-2024-j6txm8zgtqq

@ask I'm from Japan

:D

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Russia Today? What a joke and I don't even know why it's in the States, I never heard of it until my liberal friends kept talking about it, but now I see why.

Spoken like an experienced journalist.

Trump sure is doing a great job of making America great again, one allienated ally at a time. Throw on that that he's ceding American influence to Russia and China at every turn. MAGMA!

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Russia Today is certainly fascinating viewing but I wouldn't trust it that much. I miss Al Jazeera's take on things. You can't get that here in Japan. Or maybe you can; haven't seen it yet.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/07/g20-desperately-save-failed-world-order-170708082115603.html

Putin also praised Trump as a strong negotiator who quickly grasps various issues.

Did he mean "grasps" or "grabs"?

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PTownsend

Thanks a lot!! You've just proved my point. In the articles "hint", "may be", and you say without doubt "2025's when Putin says he'll leave the Russian throne". Did Putin say that? Now I see how it works, how media allegations became a proven facts for many.

I apprciate your cooperation. Thumb up!

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@PTown 2025's when Putin says he'll leave the Russian throne

@askz you say without doubt "2025's when Putin says he'll leave the Russian throne".

Without doubt are your words. I was in error: the articles say 2024.

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Trump obviously has zero interest in perusing the Russian hacking. By extension of that, his fans will follow suit.

It's still strange seeing "patriotic" conservative Americans praising such a submissive stance with a Russian dictator. All of the tough talking anti-Russian bravado we've heard over the years got heeled pretty quickly when Trump snapped his fingers.

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Why should I? If it is Russians' choice and Putin is really popular?

Is it, though? I guess having a dictator is the people's choice? Gotcha.

Putin you apparenty find nothing troubling about, let's say Merkel, who will definitely run this autumn for another term, "ruling a country for a quarter century"?

I don't recall Germany interfering in the US elections. Nor do I recall Germany throttling independent media like you see in Russia.

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Well if Putin were elected by the Russian people in fair and free elections within which any other candidate could also stand and the media were free of his influence and able to report and state what they like, oh! sorry just day dreaming!

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I guess having a dictator is the people's choice?

You don't like other people's choice? Gotcha.

If Putin serves several terms it is "bad", he is "dictator". If Merkel serves several terms it is "good" and very democratic. I see, very logical.

I don't recall Germany interfering in the US elections. Nor do I recall Germany throttling independent media like you see in Russia.

And I don't recall Russia interfering in the US elections (or media "trottling"). I remember very vividly a lot of speculations about interfering, hear about it and read about it every day, but still no proof.

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A lot of countries worked hard to isolate Pitin, and Trump just rolled out the red carpet for him on the world stage. For reasons not even his supporters can explain.

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What more can he do? trump brought it up even though most of you and the media said he wouldn't. It was denied by putin and as there is no actual evidence Trump has to accept their word. Do you just expect him to spend 2 hours straight accusing them over and over of something they say they didn't do?

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Trump pledges $639 million in aid to four countries

but like many others its remains only a pledge until the cash is handed over and mostly pledges are rarely fulfilled.

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It was denied by putin [sic] and as there is no actual evidence Trump has to accept their word.

The FBI, NSA, and CIA reports say otherwise. Putin can deny it all he wants, but it doesn't change what those agencies concluded.

Do you just expect him to spend 2 hours straight accusing them over and over of something they say they didn't do.

I expected him to actually confront Putin about what his government did to our elections. Trump should have done the following:

Told Putin he understands that Russia wants the economic sanctions lifted. He should have explained that the first set of sanctions was for invading the Crimea, so if he wants those lifted by both the U.S. and its European allies, he will return the territory he took and give it back to the Ukraine.

Told Putin that he was satisfied by the FBI, CIA, and NSA reports about Russia's meddling in the election. An infinite number of denials won't change the facts, so if Putin wants the last set of economic sanctions lifted, he will come clean about what they did, confess publicly, and promise to keep out of future elections. If he is unwilling to do this, then the sanctions will remain.

Continued denials by Putin--get up and leave. Meeting over. No need to sit there for two hours and listen to someone lie to his face. Anything else is simply appeasement.
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Trump said he doesn't believe the NSA, FBI, and CIA. For Trump fans that means anything you put in front of them will be discredited because Trump said so with no evidence of his own.

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Inexperienced Trump easily outwitted and outmaneuvered. Child's play.

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"accepted election-meddling denials"

The press headlines are moving from hysterical to delusional. Nobody has even described what exactly this supposed "election meddling" consisted ot, let alone offered proof for anything. Yet the media blather about "denial" and we still don´t even know what there is to deny. This is truly in the realm of the absurd.

And in addition, some commentators here believe this pap? CNN must count its blessings to have such a core audience.

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CNN must count its blessings to have such a core audience.

CNN must count it's blessings that not everyone is of such low intelligence to believe the president that they are fake news.

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As I have been saying, where is this evidence? The CIA/FBI/NSA have simply said they looked at something or other and that the Russians did it. Yet the DNC server is used as the primary proof of successful hacking, but CIA/FBI/NSA have not even seen that one!?

So What is it that was done, when was it done, who by name did it, how do you know and how did they do it? If you dont have the who/what/when/how you dont have any proof of something enough to confront a world leader about it.

This level of information needs to be released so that people can understand what happened other than just saying 3 or 4 intelligence agencies say hacking happened. Did it really happen or was it just attempted? what types of attacks were there? what tools were used? etc etc

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An explanation like this one when Obama's Homeland Security was caught by the state of Georgia accessing their network.

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/310812-dhs-responds-to-hacking-accusations-from-georgia

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This level of information needs to be released so that people can understand what happened other than just saying 3 or 4 intelligence agencies say hacking happened.

So even though the investigation has not been completed, you feel this information should be released. You're ok with a leak? Or you think that information that is relevant to the investigation should be released even though it could compromise the investigation?

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Then ok, if the investigation is not done, why is everyone blaming Trump for not confronting Putin with evidence that has not been provided yet?

If the investigation is not done, isnt it possible that Russia DIDNT hack the election?

Cant have it both ways.

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Im sorry i just dont trust the FBI after all the Comey shenanigans with Hillary and his memos. I dont trust the CIA because they have tools to make hacking look like anyone did it. The NSA they helped spy on everyone. So l want some actual evidence presented before Trump is expected to blame Putin harshly in public. I think he did well enough to bring it up and get Putin's assurance they wont do that. Now work on hardening IT systems so they CANT (just in case they are lying).

Oh by the way, did you see the FBI determined that Comey's memos had secret classified information in them? And also that they were presented to Congress by the FBI as government, not personal, documents.

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@asakaze

wasn't CNN recently caught making a staged "report" in London?

No, but some right wing media outlets & commentators claimed so.

Now I see how it works, how media allegations became a proven facts for many.

Indeed; see your own comment above.

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The big point underlying Putin's press conference which was simply that he had one like almost everyone else there while Trump just slunk away.

Putin could voice what he wanted, that Trump accepted his denials or his - or Russian - cyber-involvement in US elections.

And at whom were his words directed: the world's media, or just the Americans, who picked them up anyway. There was hardly even a tweet from Trump.

The whole G-20 was an experience which it seems Trump could not get out of fast enough. I was of this view even before I read this piece on the Trump awkwardness: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-09/did-trumps-g20-performance-indicate-us-decline-as-world-power/8691538

It all makes me feel sorry for the great nation of the United States of America. Is this all your leader can do on your behalf, just walk away and not even try to play ball?

I don't think it is less ideological than being just about the man. If any Americans truly wish to be great again, it becomes clearer week by week about what needs to change.

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