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UAF bungled their retreat. It was chaotic with aerial bombings of masses of men on foot in the open. Many POWs taken and gear left behind. They left behind their wounded. Some units didn't actually know about it because of poor radio communications and jamming.

NYT has an article about it today confirming the high casualties in an article titled "Hundreds of Ukrainians troops feared captured or missing in chaotic retreat".

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The fight continues, including in the US House of Representatives, where a small group of traitors are attempting to bring the US defeat.

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It's time to accept a negotiated peace.

No just peace is possible without accountability. Ukraine will fight to be free from Russian influence.

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ThubanToday  07:00 am JST

The media is now openly admitting that this is actually a civil war that has been ongoing for 10 years. Russia merely intervened 2 years ago.

No, Russia was quite clearly there 10 years ago. Nobody believes the Donbas suddenly found hundreds of artillery pieces and anti-aircraft weapons.

There's no point to continue the bloodshed, Russia has outclassed Ukraine in every metric of warfare, most especially motivation as Kiev can no longer find volunteers willing to fight in the trenches.

Russia outclassed Ukraine in the category of sending untrained conscripts to their deaths and being a thug state.

It's time to accept a negotiated peace.

There is every point in continuing the bloodshed as long as an unconditional ceasefire is not on the table. It's time to stop calling for surrender (I got ya, Blackblabel).

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As the article mentions, the Krynky bridgehead was mopped up too, despite denials.

Images of Russian flags hanging on the "Avdiivka" sign at the far north outskirts that Zelensky took a selfie in front of a week or so back. More flags on the coke plant. Amazingly the Soviet-era memorial to the Red Army in the city park, is intact and standing, and has become a focal point for unit photographs (48.150000, 37.735833).

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after eight years of conflict in eastern Ukraine between Ukrainian forces on one side and pro-Russian Ukrainians and Russian proxies on the other.

Proxy war. Right there in the article. Not western, American or NATO however. Russian.

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The fight continues, including in the US House of Representatives, where a small group of traitors are attempting to bring the US defeat.

No, attempting to keep our money here and focus on the U.S. sovereignty that this administration wants to defeat.

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Thuban

triggering full-scale war after eight years of conflict in eastern Ukraine between Ukrainian forces on one side and pro-Russian Ukrainians and Russian proxies on the other.

The media is now openly admitting that this is actually a civil war that has been ongoing for 10 years.

A civil war started by Russia annexing Crimea and sending troops into the Donbas. The media haven't changed on this.

Russia merely intervened 2 years ago.

No. They invaded all over Ukraine two years ago, but they have been there from the beginning.

The shift in the narrative is a welcome signal that

There has been absolutely no shift in narrative.

the West is preparing it's citizens to accept the reality of NATO effectively losing this proxy war and territory being ceded to Russia.

It's not a proxy war and NATO isn't fighting in Ukraine.

There's no point to continue the bloodshed,

I agree. Russia has lost already. They should withdraw.

Russia has outclassed Ukraine in every metric of warfare,

Well in getting the most men killed, yes. Also, in losing the most equipment.

most especially motivation as Kiev can no longer find volunteers willing to fight in the trenches.

They can.

It's time to accept a negotiated peace.

Agree. Russia withdraws and agree to pay reparations and we can have peace.

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The town, which once had a population of 32,000, fell to Russia on Saturday, Putin's biggest battlefield victory since Russian forces captured the city of Bakhmut in May 2023.

Russia had about 50,000 casualties taking a town with a pre-war population of about 32,000. I wouldn't call that a victory.

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bass4funk

The fight continues, including in the US House of Representatives, where a small group of traitors are attempting to bring the US defeat.

No, attempting to keep our money here and focus on the U.S. sovereignty that this administration wants to defeat.

You don't understand. Much of the money stays in the US. It is used to build munitions to replace the aging munitions sent to Ukraine. It's actually a boost to the US economy. You might say, America First.

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Strike while the iron is hot . . . and while you have the full support of the Republican Party.

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The RAF can consolidate the Donetsk sector frontline and shorten it significantly now this salient has been closed. The UAF is also under pressure in 3 other areas of the contact line currently.

Now that they have them on the ropes, where to next is the 60-dollar question. Fair guess the immediate priority would be to roll them back north-west, pushing them further from Donetsk city. Will depend on the defensive lines where the next blow falls. Kyiv has to be economical with their manpower from now. They can't afford these sorts of debacles.

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He said that all captured Ukrainian soldiers should be accorded their rights under international conventions on prisoners.

Of course Putin would say that, and throughout his history as a Stasi/KGB agent and government bureaucrat/politician/kleptocrat he has shown that it's easy to say things, but the majority of what he says cannot be trusted. Putin is similar to other despots and despot-wannabes in in that he's not afraid to tell big lies, and he has his media plus proxy media (mainstream and social) throughout the world to spread his lies. Compounding that Putin knows there are millions of anti-democracy, anti-west rightists around the globe that want to believe him, and will parrot whatever he says. The usual 'that would be', 'it's the left dems ' home-schooled-boy retort just shows a lack of ability to reason beyond home-schooledboy level.

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You don't understand.

I understand very well.

Much of the money stays in the US.

No it doesn’t, that’s the problem.

It is used to build munitions to replace the aging munitions sent to Ukraine. It's actually a boost to the US economy. You might say, America First

No, it doesn’t and this is why we are in the position we are in.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2806932/democrats-cannot-be-trusted-on-anything-relating-to-the-border-crisis/

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First of all I'd tell PUTAin good luck with that!

Ukrainian forces only retreated to save lives and achieve better defense and later counter-attack positions.

However, even in case those Russian marauders succeed - it's the old Russian propaganda and dream he (PUTAin) follows: "in 24 hours all the way to the Rhine River and then beyond that."

PUTAin and his invaders have to be stopped!

It's time that western leaders finally come to senses and provide Ukraine with all the "flora, fauna, and numbers" they need to defeat those aggressors!

Ukraine prevails!

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The $60 billion for Ukraine is for buying and supplying American weapons.

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The fight continues, including in the US House of Representatives

Some just can't help but keep bringing domestic US politics into every article thread.

where a small group of traitors are attempting to bring the US defeat.

US defeat? but US is not directly involved in this war they tell.

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 It's time to stop calling for surrender (I got ya, Blackblabel).

good job! If they had surrendered rather than just run away (“withdrawal”) their wounded and some of the guys who ran would still be alive.

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Putin will keep pushing into Ukraine until he is stopped.

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JJE

Now that they have them on the ropes, where to next is the 60-dollar question. Fair guess the immediate priority would be to roll them back north-west, pushing them further from Donetsk city.

Russia won't likely gain much ground. It took them 5 months and 50,000 men to gain Avdiivka. The main thing helping Russia is Ukraines lack of ammunition because of the US.

Kyiv has to be economical with their manpower from now. They can't afford these sorts of debacles.

They tend to be, but Russia certainly don't. They have no regard for their soldier's lives.

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Putin is short of bodies to send to Ukraine.

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bass4funk

You don't understand.

I understand very well.

Obviously not, because:

Much of the money stays in the US.

No it doesn’t, that’s the problem.

Incorrect.

It is used to build munitions to replace the aging munitions sent to Ukraine. It's actually a boost to the US economy. You might say, America First

No, it doesn’t and this is

Yes, it does.

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I’d like to see NATO troops move into Ukraine from Poland with vast air support and enter Kiev. A mass of weapons entering Ukraine. Russia to be pushed back into Russia. I’d like to see Taiwan and Israel to given continued unwavering military support too. This is how you win against dictators.

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BlacklabelToday  08:32 am JST

 It's time to stop calling for surrender (I got ya, Blackblabel).

good job! If they had surrendered rather than just run away (“withdrawal”) their wounded and some of the guys who ran would still be alive.

And then they would be being trained for the war with NATO and have access to only the latest Chinese goods and Russian propaganda for their kids. They probably aspire to more than that. Also if they surrendered without registering with the Red Cross, they would likely end up in a ditch.

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Ramsey's KitchenToday  08:29 am JST

The fight continues, including in the US House of Representatives

Some just can't help but keep bringing domestic US politics into every article thread.

The US is where the fight is won or lost. I'm sorry our importance offends you.

where a small group of traitors are attempting to bring the US defeat.

US defeat? but US is not directly involved in this war they tell.

An assumption that there will be no further warmongering by Putin or Xi. I am not willing to make that assumption.

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One aspect of the later stages of this battle that wasn't widely reported - but set in motion the chain of events that led to this fiasco of a withdrawal was the use of tunnel warfare.

A few weeks ago RAF sappers dug down, used heavy cutting tools and accessed an underground watercourse-tunnel. They pumped out the liquid and muck and then used that tunnel to bypass positions for some distance. They then cut their way out, burrowed up and had infantry storming parties fan out, establishing their own strong points behind the UAF lines and hitting them from the rear. It really confused the defenders who had no idea what happened.

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Apparently the Azov brigade mutinied in Avdiivka when they realized they were being sent to their deaths.

The loss was a total collapse, a rout. I would prefer that Russia did not conquer the entire Ukraine but it seems that is what the feckless leaders of NATO are setting Ukraine up for.

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proxyToday  08:59 am JST

Apparently the Azov brigade mutinied in Avdiivka when they realized they were being sent to their deaths.

The loss was a total collapse, a rout. I would prefer that Russia did not conquer the entire Ukraine but it seems that is what the feckless leaders of NATO are setting Ukraine up for.

Ukrainians want to be free of scummy Russia and did a bang up job of killing the invader. I know this upsets you.

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You don't understand.

I understand very well.

Obviously not, because:

Much of the money stays in the US.

No it doesn’t, that’s the problem.

Incorrect.

Sorry, I trust the people that live and work along the border over the pencil pushing swamp rats in DC or European commentators.

Yes, it does.

No, it doesn't

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I’d like to see NATO troops move into Ukraine from Poland with vast air support and enter Kiev. A mass of weapons entering Ukraine. Russia to be pushed back into Russia. I’d like to see Taiwan and Israel to given continued unwavering military support too.

In other words, you are a leading proponent of WW3.

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Many thanks to the pro-Moscow brigade in congress. They truly couldn’t have done it without you.

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Sad. A country with no future trying to ruin the future of its neighbor.

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Russian manpower and equipment replenishment never better than today, their war machine is humming. It's Ukraine that's collapsing in these critical metrics.

Ukraine's air defense capabilities have especially diminished in recent weeks, Russian close air support being used for the first time in the war. Ukraine's now in the process of suffering massive losses of territory.

Obvious Kiev's in a panic mode, as they have no plan B and no capabilities to counter-strike. Desperate calls by Kiev for NATO 'training' forces to enter Ukraine will grow LOUDER as likelihood of WW III grows by the second.

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Yrral

2020,American do not care about Ukraine problems,

Yes, they do and especially now that Navalny was killed.

you not being an American do not know anything,how an American think ,stop acting like you do

Why?

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"We wouldn't (have lost) Avdiivka if we had all the artillery ammunition that we needed to defend it. Russia does not intend to pause or withdraw...Once Avdiivka is under their control, they undoubtedly will choose another city and begin to storm it,"

"My mega watch needs a new Rolls-Royce MTU Series 2000 engine. Please send more weapons"

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No, attempting to keep our money here and focus on the U.S. sovereignty that this administration wants to defeat

yes Bass, the administration wants to defeat US sovereignty.

what a brilliant observation

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proxy

The loss was a total collapse, a rout.

No, it wasn't.

I would prefer that Russia did not conquer the entire Ukraine

So, you only agree with partial imperialism?

but it seems that is what the feckless leaders of NATO are setting Ukraine up for.

NATO isn't involved in this war.

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I am still optimistic that a few people will wake up latest when the Russians take a bath at former Portugal beaches. But before that, I guess they only complain with low voice and let them do invasions step by step, something like we similarly had in history during the 1930's when Germany was allowed to 'grow' nearly unopposed until their hunger for land got bigger and bigger and made a reaction necessary.

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Or Putin's deadly serious about territory and not too many consider him a joker, but he does enjoy a good laugh with friends and family. Work's a different matter.

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bass4funkToday  09:09 am JST

Sorry, I trust the people that live and work along the border over the pencil pushing swamp rats in DC or European commentators.

Well you didn't trust the border patrol agents when they said they wanted the bipartisan border bill.

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HopeSpringsEternal

Or Putin's deadly serious about territory

Of course. He's an imperialist.

and not too many consider him a joker, but he does enjoy a good laugh with friends and family.

Who cares what that murderer does in his family time.

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Another aspect of the wider picture is over the last several days, pro-Russia partisans have conducted activities in Kyiv-controlled territory. A factory was overrun at night and burnt down in Lviv region. In Odessa, two militants were seriously wounded in a car bombing. Credible reports of rail line sabotage too. More of this will be happening as Kyiv loses control.

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FizzBitToday  09:20 am JST

"We wouldn't (have lost) Avdiivka if we had all the artillery ammunition that we needed to defend it. Russia does not intend to pause or withdraw...Once Avdiivka is under their control, they undoubtedly will choose another city and begin to storm it,"

"My mega watch needs a new Rolls-Royce MTU Series 2000 engine. Please send more weapons"

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So all of those artillery shells that the US was running around scrounging up just disappeared in your view?

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 I wouldn't call that a victory.

Denial of reality doesn't change it.

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Putin says Russia will push further into Ukraine after fall of Avdiivka

Fake headline

says our favorite anti imperialist imperialism apologist.

got a source for that assertion?

heads up to you. Imperialist/imperialism is an objective term. As in, believe it or not, a country is not required to be of the West to be imperialist.

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JJEToday  09:33 am JST

Another aspect of the wider picture is over the last several days, pro-Russia partisans have conducted activities in Kyiv-controlled territory. A factory was overrun at night and burnt down in Lviv region. In Odessa, two militants were seriously wounded in a car bombing. Credible reports of rail line sabotage too. More of this will be happening as Kyiv loses control.

Doesn't sound like nearly half as much as has been done in occupied Ukraine and fascist Russia.

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Well you didn't trust the border patrol agents when they said they wanted the bipartisan border bill.

Look who their boss is, he just got thankfully impeached. I believe the border patrol agents that went off the record, and that testified under oath in explicit detail as to the declining morale and the chaos surrounding the crisis Again, being from California and being from a Florida state annoying people that live around the border and the things I’ve seen her, I will trust him over this White House any day of the week.

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HopeSpringsEternalToday  09:20 am JST

Ukraine's air defense capabilities have especially diminished in recent weeks, Russian close air support being used for the first time in the war. Ukraine's now in the process of suffering massive losses of territory.

Lines have barely moved, ChatGPTSpringsEternal.

Obvious Kiev's in a panic mode, as they have no plan B and no capabilities to counter-strike. Desperate calls by Kiev for NATO 'training' forces to enter Ukraine will grow LOUDER as likelihood of WW III grows by the second.

Good to see you acknowledge that Putin has designs on NATO and WW3.

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Putin is clearly determined to conquer and keep the Russian-speaking eastern provinces and claw back from Ukraine the huge swathe of land sweeping south all the way to Odesa and the Moldovan border, once known as Novorossiya (New Russia) leaving the Ukrainian-speaking rump of the north-west to themselves while calculating that Kyiv, the jewel in the crown, will eventually be forced to accept the inevitable and succumb to the force majeure of the Russian 'Big Brother' with his boot in the door. The Americans & friends with their dithering made far too many miscalculations and errors from the start by not making the Russian incursion more costly for Putin and now the West appears to be caught in a zugzwang playing geopolitical chess with Putin who still has plenty of time on his clock.

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bass4funkToday  09:39 am JST

Well you didn't trust the border patrol agents when they said they wanted the bipartisan border bill.

Look who their boss is, he just got thankfully impeached. I believe the border patrol agents that went off the record, and that testified under oath in explicit detail as to the declining morale and the chaos surrounding the crisis Again, being from California and being from a Florida state annoying people that live around the border and the things I’ve seen her, I will trust him over this White House any day of the week.

Yeah, and those same agents are probably begging for SOMETHING instead of the nothing your opted for.

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HopeSpringsEternal

Ukraine's air defense capabilities have especially diminished in recent weeks, Russian close air support being used for the first time in the war.

Which is why Russia have lost 5 jets in the last few days.

Ukraine's now in the process of suffering massive losses of territory.

What? They lost Avdiivka after 5 months of Russians being sent into the meat grinder. It's not massive.

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Ramsey's Kitchen

 I wouldn't call that a victory.

Denial of reality doesn't change it.

Exactly! 50,000 troops!

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More of this will be happening as Kyiv loses control.

you don’t say? That’s kinda the point when all the military experts say taking territory is the easy part. Holding that territory and pacifying the population is the hard part. As you guys will find out.

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u_s__reamerToday  09:39 am JST

Putin is clearly determined to conquer and keep the Russian-speaking eastern provinces and claw back from Ukraine the huge swathe of land sweeping south all the way to Odesa and the Moldovan border, once known as Novorossiya (New Russia) leaving the Ukrainian-speaking rump of the north-west to themselves while calculating that Kyiv, the jewel in the crown, will eventually be forced to accept the inevitable and succumb to the force majeure of the Russian 'Big Brother' with his boot in the door. The Americans & friends with their dithering made far too many miscalculations and errors from the start by not making the Russian incursion more costly for Putin and now the West appears to be caught in a zugzwang playing geopolitical chess with Putin who still has plenty of time on his clock.

Odessa is protected by a now very wide river. Slight problem with your fantasy, there.

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Putin has increased the conscription age from 50 to 70. Next will be the pensioner brigade.

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Seems Ukraine's new top general's not inspiring UA like his predecessor, who understood & just communicated to all, utter futility of continuing this 10year old civil war.

Failure begets failure and chaos in UA. Meanwhile, Russian military highly motivated to protect and secure their new many new Russian citizens.

Time for durable peace approaching, yet Pres. Biden & Zelensky likely not too anxious to sign on the dotted line. As their interests differ from those of Ukraine after all!

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HopeSpringsEternalToday  09:48 am JST

Seems Ukraine's new top general's not inspiring UA like his predecessor, who understood & just communicated to all, utter futility of continuing this 10year old civil war.

Sources for the gaslighting.

Failure begets failure and chaos in UA. Meanwhile, Russian military highly motivated to protect and secure their new many new Russian citizens.

Russian soldiers are highly motivated not to end up in Russian prison. In some cases for the second time.

Time for durable peace approaching, yet Pres. Biden & Zelensky likely not too anxious to sign on the dotted line. As their interests differ from those of Ukraine after all!

The interest of Ukraine is independence from Russia and only an unconditional ceasefire can secure that.

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The Americans & friends with their dithering made far too many miscalculations and errors from the start 

you need to be a bit more specific on that, reamer.

the MAGA factIon did not miscalculate. This is their intent. They want Putin to win. Why? Because he’s their culture warrior hero. That’s why.

right Bass?

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2020hindsights

Today 09:42 am JST

Ramsey's Kitchen

> I wouldn't call that a victory.

> Denial of reality doesn't change it.

> Exactly! 50,000 troops

Did you or Ukraine make that number up?

We will add it to the rest, ghost of Kyiv, avdiivka isn't strategic, Ukraine only lost 30,000 to 40,000, summer offensive is going as planned and Ukraine broke through......

Russia has increased it troop numbers, its ammunition, tanks etc...this is according to the USA, UK EU, etc...

While Ukraine in June 2022 Ukraine's army had nearly 700,000 with the average age of 30 today according to the west it is 500,000 and the average age is 43.

Do the math Ukraine has losr far more Men.

Next, "it is a war if attrition" this us what you and all the others claim and Ukraine is winning!

Well population, Ukraine pre invasion population was 1/3 that of Russian, 12 to 15 million have left since then including 650,000 to 800,000 men of fighting age (USA/UK figures).

The USA and the west admit that Russia is out producing the west in ammunition tanks etc...

So a war of attrition were Ukraine has less men, less available men, less weapons, less ammunition, sounds like pie in the sky dreaming that Russia will run out before Ukraine.

Remember the great summer offensive?

Well Ukraine was given tons of weapons and they failed to get past one town at best which today the Russians are already in Robotyne in less than a week after restarting the push.

Ukrainian troops pull back beyond the tank line near verbove, and it is looking bad for the tiny gains Ukraine made in the great summer offensive where they lost 30% of their equipment (USA number again) to gain one town that they are now losing.

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Seems MANY of us want Peace to Win, not WW III with Russia and their MANY nukes. As without peace, global chaos and risk spreads = NOT GOOD for Prosperity, except if you're big $fan of global $Militarization & $War.

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The Russians are akin to black flies on a camping trip. Pests, through and through. They are too weak to ever be free nor do they have the clarity or fortitude to be a part of the civilized world. 

all those people in prison for holding blank pieces of paper are Russians, Protestant. Your assertion simply is not fair. Would you have the cajones to stand up to Putins police state if you were there? Those Russians do.

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Antiquesaving

So a war of attrition were Ukraine has less men, less available men, less weapons, less ammunition, sounds like pie in the sky dreaming that Russia will run out before Ukraine.

Which is why the house of representatives should vote on the Ukraine aid package. If they have a vote, it will pass, because a majority support it.

In the long run, helping Ukraine would be better than the US being drawn into a war with a NATO Baltic country, I am sure you would agree.

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No, you (and the few other loud Putin fans) just want Putin to win, and pretend to care about peace. Who is scared of WW3 right now? No one.

Seems MANY of us want Peace to Win, not WW III with Russia and their MANY nukes. As without peace, global chaos and risk spreads = NOT GOOD for Prosperity, except if you're big $fan of global $Militarization & $War.

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2020hindsights

Today 10:17 am JST

Antiquesaving

> So a war of attrition were Ukraine has less men, less available men, less weapons, less ammunition, sounds like pie in the sky dreaming that Russia will run out before Ukraine.

> Which is why the house of representatives should vote on the Ukraine aid package. If they have a vote, it will pass, because a majority support it.

> In the long run, helping Ukraine would be better than the US being drawn into a war with a NATO Baltic country, I am sure you would agree

Your phone has a calculator function, use it!

Russia producing 125,000 shells a month (USA numbers) Europe hasn't reached 40,000 a month as a whole, the USA says it will reach 80,000 in 2025 again western number which also says Russia will reach 200,000 a month by 2025.

Russian population and available manpower is 3 times Ukrainian pre invasion 4 times or more presently!

People forget that the parts "retaken" bu Ukraine happened when Russia had only sent in 200,000 and Ukraine had 700,000 troops.

This is something the west and Ukraine often forget to mention!

Now Russia has 600,000 in Ukraine more weapons more ammunition more men and despite wishful thinking that will not change even if the USA passes the money permission today.

Any help authorized today won't arrive for at least 6 months to a year.

Russia by that time will be dealer in Ukraine!

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. I’d like to see Taiwan and Israel to given continued unwavering military support too. This is how you win against dictators.

Except that Israel is the dictator/occupier and Palestinian civilians are the ones dying by their tens of thousands. Sounds like supporting dictators is fine as long as they are "our" dictators.

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In the long run, helping Ukraine would be better than the US being drawn into a war with a NATO Baltic country, I am sure you would agree.

nothing says respect for national sovereignty like issuing an arrest warrant for a Baltic state Prime Minister who dares remove Soviet era monuments

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Russia by that time will be dealer in Ukraine!

AS - are you predicting that Russia will conquer all of Ukraine in the next 6 months? Because I will take that bet.

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2020hindsights

Today 10:17 am JST

If according to the west the average age of Ukrainian military men in June 2022 was 30 and today it is 43, what will more money and more weapons change? Will money and weapons grow more younger troops?

Ukraine is running out of men!

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Or are you just joking?

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By then Pres. Biden will be retired.

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Except that Israel is the dictator/occupier and Palestinian civilians are the ones dying by their tens of thousands. Sounds like supporting dictators is fine as long as they are "our" dictators.

You can't occupy what you own.

And there are Hamas and its supporters being killed--but that's what happens when you attack a stronger peaceful country.

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where a small group of traitors are attempting to bring the US defeat.

US defeat? but US is not directly involved in this war they tell.

An assumption that there will be no further warmongering by Putin or Xi.

The flip flopping is funny, one day apparently US is not involved and the next day it is, whichever position fits the narrative on a particular day. How can US be defeated if it is not directly involved in this war?

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Good save.

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So which city do you think the Russians take next?

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I wouldn't call that a victory.

Denial of reality doesn't change it.

Exactly! 50,000 troops!

Numbers coming from the same sources that gave us the Ghost of Kyiv must be credible, riiight.

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So which city do you think the Russians take next?

Whether next or not, Karkov in the north is a "Russian" city and will end the war in Russian hands.

The Russians will advance to the Oskil river, a nice natural border.

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You can't occupy what you own.

President Putin thanks you for all you do, Zibala.

you make his down with the West argument for him daily. Why can’t you see this?

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Putin is short of bodies to send to Ukraine.

No, it is the other side that is forcing 60 year olds to join.

Exactly! 50,000 troops!

Russia's total losses in two years are less than 40,000 dead and seriously wounded. A staggering number but a fraction of Ukrainian losses.

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Ramsey's Kitchen

I wouldn't call that a victory.

Denial of reality doesn't change it.

Exactly! 50,000 troops!

Numbers coming from the same sources that gave us the Ghost of Kyiv must be credible, right.

You can watch many videos over the last 5 months of Russia pouring troops and tanks, (and then just troops), into the areas around Avdiivka and them just getting obliterated. The numbers are credible

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In the long run, helping Ukraine would be better than the US being drawn into a war with a NATO Baltic country, I am sure you would agree.

Russia attacking a NATO country ain't happening, but that kind of scaremongering is what helps arms manufacturers drastically increase sales so no surprises that military industrial complex support club pushes that narrative.

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UChosePoorly

So which city do you think the Russians take next?

Unfortunately, the GOP MAGA faction have been negligent and not passed any aid package for Ukraine in many months, so I would guess Robotyne could fall.

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Yeah, and those same agents are probably begging for SOMETHING instead of the nothing your opted for.

Like arresting illegals, something they haven’t been allowed to do since 2020!

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Antiquesaving

People forget that the parts "retaken" bu Ukraine happened when Russia had only sent in 200,000 and Ukraine had 700,000 troops.

Which is irrelevant.

Now Russia has 600,000 in Ukraine more weapons more ammunition more men and despite wishful thinking that will not change even if the USA passes the money permission today.

Sure, it will. But Ukraine just needs to defend, which require less resources.

Any help authorized today won't arrive for at least 6 months to a year.

How did you come up with that? Munitions would be sent the next day.

Russia by that time will be dealer in Ukraine!

Yeah, yeah. We will see.

Ukraine is running out of men!

They are fine.

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Mr. K - I will definitely take that bet, lol. By when do you think the Russians are going to take Kharkiv?

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I like how some here keep ignoring the elephant in the room.

The Ukrainian claim and it's supporters claim that more money and more weapons will change things.

Well here is the elephant!

Fact in June 2022 Ukraine had 700,000 men with the average age of 30~33 this according to the West!

Today after hundreds of thousands more have since been drafted into the military Ukraine has under 600,000 and the average age is now 43.

Where did all the younger men go?

Ukraine claims 650,000 men of fighting age left the country. Western numbers say 6 to 8 million people left but Poland says 15 million have crossed it's borders.

Which is it? Are the Poles making things up?

You can send all the money and weapons you want, if there are no men to fight or only old conscripts all you are going to do is get more people killed.

It is interesting that the places where the most people were conscripted from were cities like Karkyiv and Odessa, largely ethnic Russians (again according to western news).

Today Ukraine's population is estimated at 32 million 15% of that is below 14 year old and 19% over 65 and even with the exit of many women and children to other countries half of those remaining are women.

So again where are the men that are going to use all those weapons going to come from?

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High russian casualties will be swept under the carpet by the kremlin in order to keep the propaganda machine running. The only thing important to putin was taking Avdiivka, no matter the cost.

At least the Ukrainians had sense to pull back and not waste men and munitions so callously like their foe.

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Ramsey's Kitchen

In the long run, helping Ukraine would be better than the US being drawn into a war with a NATO Baltic country, I am sure you would agree.

Russia attacking a NATO country ain't happening, but that kind of scaremongering is what helps arms manufacturers drastically increase sales so no surprises that military industrial complex support club pushes that narrative.

Well, that's not what the experts are thinking:

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-january-16-2024

Russian President Vladimir Putin notably amplified a longstanding Kremlin effort to set information conditions for future escalations against the Baltic countries, likely as part of his wider effort to weaken NATO. 

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If Russia isn’t stopped in Ukraine today, Poland and Taiwan will soon be in play for violent assault by these dictators. It’s time to shut them down.

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Antiquesaving

So again where are the men that are going to use all those weapons going to come from?

Ukraine. It's not a problem.

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UChosePoorly

Today 11:27 am JST

Mr. K - I will definitely take that bet, lol. By when do you think the Russians are going to take Kharkiv?

In an article published by the Ukrainian controlled media.

Ukrainian troops complained that when they liberated the city of Zaporizhzhia the local population welcomed them and the troops felt safe.

But those same troops said that in Karkyiv they felt unsafe and the population was hostile towards them, the same in other cities near by.

Funny thing happened after that was published!

A "mandatory" evacuation was ordered in the same places named in the article!

Strange how this was overlooked by western media!

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So which city do you think the Russians take next?

Unfortunately, the GOP MAGA faction have been negligent and not passed any aid package for Ukraine in many months, so I would guess Robotyne could fall.

Robotyne, the one UAF gain during the summer gamechanger counter offensive was not a city, it was a small village of around 400 people before it was flattened during last year's fighting.

"a town with a pre-war population of about 32,000. I wouldn't call that a victory."

You wouldn't call Russians taking Avdeevka ( with a population of around 30 thousand) a victory yet when UAF took tiny Robotyne last summer , it was trumpeted as a major win by MSM and NATO posters on JT - vis "Ukraine claimed Monday its forces had liberated Robotyne, a key town in the southeastern front that Kyiv has tried to fully seize for months"

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So which city do you think the Russians take next?

Whichever it is, we can be sure that the russians will throw away many more lives than necessary, to ensure victory.

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Ramsey's Kitchen

So which city do you think the Russians take next?

Unfortunately, the GOP MAGA faction have been negligent and not passed any aid package for Ukraine in many months, so I would guess Robotyne could fall.

Robotyne, the one UAF gain during the summer gamechanger counter offensive was not a city, it was a small village of around 400 people before it was flattened during last year's fighting.

Good point! I would say, it will take an enormous amount of effort for Russia to take an actual city in Ukraine.

"a town with a pre-war population of about 32,000. I wouldn't call that a victory."

No, no, I agree with you. Robotyne isn't a city, so I didn't answer UChosePoorly's fairly. Sorry.

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UChosePoorly

Today 11:29 am JST

AS - I wasn’t asking for Weeb Union’s prediction, I was asking for yours. You don’t have to attack people personally

I made no personal attacks.

I just wrote the facts!

You keep claiming I said things I didn't!

You claim I said Russia was going to take all of Ukraine, which anyone here being honest knows I have never said that!

I have always said it was going to try and take up to the areas per 2014 that always voted pro Russia!

If you would stop making things up that I never said then we would have no problem.

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2020hindsights

Today 11:32 am JST

Antiquesaving

> So again where are the men that are going to use all those weapons going to come from?

> Ukraine. It's not a problem

Really? Then crunch the numbers and tell us where the men are going to come from?

Ukraine expanded it requirements to register for military duty to include more women.

Ukraine's own leaders have said that eventually they will have to use women in Frontline combat!

This is Ukraine saying these things not Russia.

If there was " no problem" as you claim, then why is Ukraine saying and doing these things.

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Mr KiplingToday 10:58 am JST

So which city do you think the Russians take next?

Whether next or not, Karkov in the north is a "Russian" city and will end the war in Russian hands.

Well they already failed at that once, so I will take that bet.

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 I would say, it will take an enormous amount of effort for Russia to take an actual city in Ukraine.

No doubt it will, but as you say Kremlin is willing to suffer big losses for their objectives ( as seen in Bakhmut and Avdeevka ) and Russia has way more men than Ukraine.

Ukraine is running out of men!

They are fine."

By all indications they are not unfortunately.

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A little reality check!

On February 14th the official Ukrainian military new service published an article by the head of the Ukrainian ground forces Illia Yevlash titled:

Russia will soon feel the results of Syrsky's trip to Avdiivka!

Then Azov was sent in and was destroyed!

On the 17th Avdiivka fell to the Russians.

This is reality not wishful thinking of armchair warriors.

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