Putin says West will be fighting directly with Russia if it lets Kyiv use long-range missiles

Putin is full of bluster. He will remain as cowed as he is right now in the face of NATO.

actual programming of the missiles' flight paths would have to be done by NATO military personnel

NATO personnel launching missiles into Russian civilian population centers would be a direct act of war and a violation of the UN Charter.

Last week a civilian woman was killed in her apartment building in Moscow after being targeted by Zelensky's long range drone.

Putin says West will be fighting directly with Russia

Anything Putin says has to be questioned, he's lied so many times. The reality is Russia is already fighting the West by meddling in elections, and having its criminal gangs involved in battles over control of resources around the globe, also by influencing right wing media, established and social, se Elmo X Musk and Murdoch amongst others for examples.

Putin says West will be fighting directly with Russia

Oh dear, now the scaredypants are going to start screaming of DOOM again.

Won't change the course of the conflict, which Moscow will win hands down.

Still zero evidence of these alleged Iranian missiles except the rantings of the same boy(s) who cried 'wolf' about WMD in Iraq.

Surprising there is not one mention of the recent Russian counter offensive in Kursk. The pocket there has its days numbered. RFAF rolled up the western part of it in a well-executed, multi-prong combined arms offensive operation. Suspect there is more to come too.

JJEToday 07:06 am JST

Still zero evidence of these alleged Iranian missiles except the rantings of the same boy(s) who cried 'wolf' about WMD in Iraq.

Saddam Hussein had the good sense to keep information close to the vest. Russia is more like swiss cheese.

BanthuToday 06:55 am JST

actual programming of the missiles' flight paths would have to be done by NATO military personnel

The war criminal says...

NATO personnel launching missiles into Russian civilian population centers would be a direct act of war and a violation of the UN Charter.

File it with Russia's violations by the dozens.

Last week a civilian woman was killed in her apartment building in Moscow after being targeted by Zelensky's long range drone.

And we are supposed to feel bad?

@: Oh dear, now the scaredypants are going to start screaming of DOOM again.

The doom, the US is bad crowd claim to believe in something called America-first, while at the same time saying Putin is strong, savvy and smart, mostly because he's a Caucasian rightwinger that claims to be Christian, with powers to have sins forgiven.

No more than Iran and China and Belarus are directly fighting with NATO.

The Russian economy is hurting and social program spending is higher than before to keep the Russians happy, for now. That cannot continue as fewer buyers for Russian oil remain.

Russia is now dependent on the war to maintain it's economy. They can't afford to win or lose, so it becomes a question of manpower to keep fighting.

The doom, the US is bad crowd claim to believe in something called America-first, while at the same time saying Putin is strong, savvy and smart, mostly because he's a Caucasian rightwinger that claims to be Christian, with powers to have sins forgiven.

It's weird when they think America, more powerful than the next 10 militaries combined, should be afraid of Russia's inept army that couldn't even stop the invasion of it's own country as part of their invasion against a supposedly weaker country.

The Russian army is a joke.

Nobody believes anything this guy says anymore.

Russia is also currently holding major naval exercises with China and considering curbs on major commodity exports.

Important to clarify exactly what this entails.

Putin is considering - nothing has been announced - restricting exports of certain strategic materials including metals.

Stated aim is to hurt western economies and not hurt Russia or friendly countries. It can do this in some cases by effectively driving up the price and make the same or more in export earnings.

The obvious candidate is uranium.

Nickel, titanium, gold, diamonds, aluminium, palladium, platinum, copper, cobalt - the list goes on.

While certain western countries have already restricted some stuff, Russia sells most of its output to various end users and could easily make targeted impacts on specific markets. Certain countries are also more vulnerable on certain fronts.

For example, Putin only held a meeting discussing it (part of it televised) and the price of nickel has surged.

More money is literally pouring into Moscow's coffers (and war chest) as you read this, and it has not even been implemented yet!

Ukraine now desperate as they are in dire straights in the east and the Kursk folly is now being shown for what it is. The long range option will not make a difference to the outcome but will lead to more deaths some Russian but we could be now seeing a lot more NATO casualties.

Ukraine now desperate as they are in dire straights

Taking Kursk and invading Russia is in dire straights?!

Do you think they have more or less than 72-hours until they fall?

The Russian army is a joke.

There is not a single high ranking NATO officer who would agree with you.

There is not a single high ranking NATO officer who would agree with you.

Um, Kursk?

There is not a single high ranking NATO officer who would agree with you.

Um, a two and a half year "72-hour special invasion"?

There is not a single high ranking NATO officer who would agree with you.

Um Prigozyn?

300,000 dead and injured Russian troops. Putin is now sending cadets to the war front.

Kursk:

Russian counter offensive is well underway. If this is the start of a major pushback, which there are indications of, and Moscow really flexes its muscles, then Kyiv-regime forces could be in trouble - and not just in Kursk.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-launches-major-counter-attack-184441974.html

Russian counter offensive is well underway.

Heh, how many successful invasions have to deal with a counter offensive because they got their own country invaded?

Have I mentioned how the entire planet (that matters) thinks the Russian army is an inept joke?

"Still zero evidence of these alleged Iranian missiles except the rantings of the same boy(s) who cried 'wolf' about WMD in Iraq."

Certain NATO war hawks need to politically justify approving direct strikes by NATO weapons programmed by NATO personnel on Russian territory. So here come new Iranian missiles allegations. Trust us, we didn't lie about Saddam's WMD either.

 the rantings of the same boy(s) who cried 'wolf' about WMD in Iraq.........Saddam Hussein had the good sense to keep information close to the vest.

This one is still looking for those Saddam's WMDs. Found any yet?

Mr KiplingToday 08:26 am JST

we could be now seeing a lot more NATO casualties.

Not without going to full MAD we won't.

There is not a single high ranking NATO officer who would agree with you.

Tons of American former officers have said they were surprised at how poorly Russia did in 2022. Granted they have had some time to try to right themselves but the laughing is real.

Certain NATO war hawks need to politically justify approving direct strikes by NATO weapons programmed by NATO personnel on Russian territory.

It's not that hard to justify, no one cares about the lives of Russian soldiers on either side.

Taking Kursk and invading Russia is in dire straights?!

Who is taking Kursk?

Have you lost your coast? Do you call Kursk several dozen villages, some of which are even absent on the maps? Don't they teach geography in your schools? Or are you principally illiterate?

Who is taking Kursk?

Better try to convince that to the Russian population who is panicking now that the war has come to Russia.

Do you call Kursk several dozen villages, some of which are even absent on the maps?

So do you think Putin should nuke Russia/Kursk?

Fact of the matter is these silly alleged possible strikes or Kursk won't stop Putin and save Kyiv's bacon. Nor will pumping smoke through a transparent trumpet.

JJEToday 08:05 am JST

Russia is also currently holding major naval exercises with China and considering curbs on major commodity exports.

Important to clarify exactly what this entails.

Putin is considering - nothing has been announced - restricting exports of certain strategic materials including metals.

Stated aim is to hurt western economies and not hurt Russia or friendly countries. It can do this in some cases by effectively driving up the price and make the same or more in export earnings.

The obvious candidate is uranium.

Nickel, titanium, gold, diamonds, aluminium, palladium, platinum, copper, cobalt - the list goes on.

Russia doesn't hold any cards:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1317614/russia-share-in-production-of-selected-metals/#:~:text=Russia%20accounted%20for%2036%20percent,of%2010%20percent%20in%20each.

More money is literally pouring into Moscow's coffers (and war chest) as you read this, and it has not even been implemented yet!

Yes, all is well for Russia. Pay no attention to the 20% interest rates.

Even the EU has discretely and very quietly upped Russian gas imports - think it makes up an overall majority for the first time since they wound it down.

More money in the Moscow coffers (Ka-ching!)

Even the EU has discretely and very quietly upped Russian gas imports

Heh, then why is Russia panicking about the $6.5 billion gas pipeline deal Ukraine is about to let expire?

Kyiv will not fall, that deluded US general got his quote wrong. Official page of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has just posted - direct quote " The Ghosts of Kyiv are safeguarding Ukraine skies, 40th Tactical Aviation Brigade". Its all over for Russia.

So you think Russia will lose?

Yes, you are correct. After all don't forget, they're already losers.

Insults on RFAF definitely help with the cope thing, thus understandable.

Still won't save the Kyiv-regime from the hole it has dug and the ultimate truncating of that country.

Putin is full of bluster. He will remain as cowed as he is right now in the face of NATO.

Do you think it was those superior performance NATO game changers that cowed him?

Do you think it was those superior performance NATO game changers that cowed him?

Nope, the Ukrainians did it on their own, masterfully.

Moscow isn't panicking.

If Kyiv cuts the pipeline deal, they miss out of 800 million in transit fees. They also have to explain to the EU why they are endangering their energy security.

Kyiv backed down and allowed Russian oil to start flowing to Hungary and others. They will on the above too - watch.

More money in the Moscow coffers (Ka-ching!)

Moscow isn't panicking.

Why you so defensive bro?

If Kyiv cuts the pipeline deal, they miss out of 800 million in transit fees.

And they get to screw Russia at the same time. We'll help them out with the 800 million.

Kyiv backed down and allowed Russian oil to start flowing to Hungary and others.

Sure, and now that alternative means have been found for oil, time to cut Russia off.

Notice how you knew exactly what I was talking about, even though I gave very, very little information? And we're supposed to believe Russia isn't panicking. Sure. Ok. If you say so.

"The Russian economy is hurting and social program spending is higher than before to keep the Russians happy, for now. That cannot continue as fewer buyers for Russian oil remain."

Russian economy is in tatters, the sanctions are working, Russia is just about to collapse. Someone just forgot to tell IMF to correct their reports. Or IMF are Putin stooges too. Yes, that is it.

"Russia growing faster than all advanced economies says IMF - Russia expected to grow 3.2% in 2024, the IMF said in its latest World Economic Outlook published Tuesday, exceeding the forecast growth rates for the U.S. (2.7%), the U.K. (0.5%), Germany (0.2%) and France (0.7%)."

Because someone is aware of current affairs is not equated with "panicking".

Donbass also has the vast rump of strategic materials in former Ukraine buried underneath it - and the most valuable/rarest/important ones.

Down the track, much more money in the Moscow coffers (Ka-ching!)

Because someone is aware of current affairs is not equated with "panicking".

Because Russia can afford the coming $8.5 billion in lost revenue right?

Sure,all the reports of Russian panicking are fake news, and the Kremlin is telling the truth. Got it. Because people believe Russia right?

JJE

Because someone is aware of current affairs is not equated with "panicking".

Donbass also has the vast rump of strategic materials in former Ukraine buried underneath it - and the most valuable/rarest/important ones.

Down the track, much more money in the Moscow coffers (Ka-ching!)

And here we have the real reason Putin is conducting an imperialist invasion of Ukraine: Money.

"Ukraine now desperate as they are in dire straights......Taking Kursk and invading Russia is in dire straights?!"

No but running out of manpower and equipment is. Mainly manpower. Military recruitment gangs have been busy hunting and dragging off Ukrainian men into the meat grinder. Numerous videos out there prove it.

How much of this "growth" is driven by massive debt spending on the defense industry? A lot of it.

Russia growing faster than all advanced economies says IMF - Russia expected to grow 3.2% in 2024, the IMF said in its latest World Economic Outlook published Tuesday, exceeding the forecast growth rates for the U.S. (2.7%), the U.K. (0.5%), Germany (0.2%) and France (0.7%)."

No but running out of manpower and equipment is. Mainly manpower.

So short on manpower that they invaded Russia.

Got it, because an intelligent person would think that makes sense and isn't just Kremlin hopium right?

So do you think they'll run out of manpower in more or less than 72-hours?

Sure, Moscow will export it to China or India or elsewhere. There is always a buyer.

(Ka-ching!)

Not sure what the panicking thing is about - not denying the western media is reporting such a thing - but have not seen any actual hard evidence of panic.

The vast mineral wealth of the Donbass belongs to the people of that region. And will be used for their betterment and safety. It and they certainly owe nothing to the Kyiv-regime.

Sure, Moscow will export it to China or India or elsewhere. There is always a buyer.

They'll just pick up the hose and move it over to India instead, right? ROFL?

Now, an intelligent person, would think "if they could just sell it to India or China, why wouldn't they already be doing that instead of putting money into Ukrainian coffers"?

I know an intelligent person would think this, because I'm thinking it.

The vast mineral wealth of the Donbass belongs to the people of that region.

And none of it will belong to Russia when this is all done.

Why are the Russian people so poor (relatively) then? It's a head-scratcher. Some rich businessman/politician will be sure to extract all the wealth from the region while paying out peanuts to the local population.

> The vast mineral wealth of the Donbass belongs to the people of that region. And will be used for their betterment and safety. It and they certainly owe nothing to the Kyiv-regime.

"Sure,all the reports of Russian panicking are fake news, and the Kremlin is telling the truth. Got it. Because people believe Russia right?"

IMF says - **" Russia growing faster than all advanced economies "* Russia expected to grow 3.2% in 2024, the IMF said in its latest World Economic Outlook published Tuesday, exceeding the forecast growth rates for the U.S. (2.7%), the U.K. (0.5%), Germany (0.2%) and France (0.7%)."*

I believe IMF take on economic matters more than random JT keyboard expert opinions. Some people may not.

Why are the Russian people so poor (relatively) then? It's a head-scratcher.

25% of them still don't have indoor plumbing. And Russia isn't exactly warm.

But apparently they have nice supermarkets - Tucker Carlson told us.

Now, an intelligent person, would think to secure the vast Donbass mineral wealth, Kyiv-regime forces have to push RFAF out of Donbass (and Crimea).

Unfortunately, every intelligent person knows that will never happen.

Now, an intelligent person, would think to secure the vast Donbass mineral wealth, Kyiv-regime forces have to push RFAF out of Donbass (and Crimea).

Nah, they just keep Kursk.

While it's not an even trade, that's ok, it's worth it to bother Russia.

RFAF are rolling the AFU out of Kursk very effectively. Suggest you check the news.

"So short on manpower that they invaded Russia."

So short that military recruiters are desperately hunting for men in the streets of Ukrainian cities to drag them off to the meat grinder. Some are able to resist resist with the help of other Ukrainian civilians. Many videos out there.

Got it, because an intelligent person would think that makes sense and isn't just Kremlin hopium right?

Most intelligent people would equate men being hunted in the Ukrainian cities to replace the frontline losses with manpower shortages. Most, but not all.

RFAF are rolling the AFU out of Kursk very effectively.

Ahh, all going to plan, right?

Step 1: Let your country be invaded as part of your invasion of their country

Step 2: Kick out the foreign invaders in roughly 72 hours

Step 3: Claim victory

Sounds like a great Russian plan!

So short that military recruiters are desperately hunting for men in the streets of Ukrainian cities to drag them off to the meat grinder.

Huh? That's what the Russians are doing.

Most intelligent people would equate men being hunted in the Ukrainian cities to replace the frontline losses with manpower shortages.

So do you reckon they should just give up?

Have I mentioned how the entire planet (that matters) thinks the Russian army is an inept joke?

Which part of the planet matters and which does not? Do you pose that US/NATO countries matter more than say China, India, Brazil, Middle East etc....? Sounds arrogant. and racist to boot.

I love how the Russians don't even bother trying to pretend Putin isn't an inept loser of a dictator. Instead they just say "we're going to win. Really. No, really, we're going to win. Seriously. We're winning. They're doomed. Really you have to believe us, we're winning and they're doomed. Yes, we're really, really serious, we really are winning, and they really are doomed. Really"

It's all a bit yawny after two years of them saying "no, really".

Do you pose that US/NATO countries matter more than say China, India, Brazil, Middle East etc....?

I say that they matter more than Russia. Every place you mentioned.

Unless they support Russia. Then they don't matter.

I love how the Russians don't even bother trying to pretend Putin isn't an inept loser of a dictator.

Riiight, he's a "dictator" with infinitely greater approval than any western leader. And he's successfully defending his nation from a NATO proxy war.

" So short that military recruiters are desperately hunting for men in the streets of Ukrainian cities to drag them off to the meat grinder...........Huh? That's what the Russians are doing."

Huh? There are many videos of Ukrainian men being hunted by recruitment gangs, do you have equal amount of video evidence of the same happening in Russian cities? Post a few links so we can see Russian military recruiters dragging men off Russian streets to send to the frontline. I am open minded to seeing new evidence and adjust opinion accordingly.

Huh? There are many videos of Ukrainian men being hunted by recruitment gangs

Someone's trying to pretend Russian men haven't been escaping Russia for the past 2.5 years to escape conscription for Putin's war of ego.

Riiight, he's a "dictator" with infinitely greater approval than any western leader.

Hah, you believe Kremlin numbers? Oh dear.

Because dictatorships tell you the real numbers, right? lol

Raw Beer

And he's successfully defending his nation from a NATO proxy war.

It's Putin's war, NATO has nothing to do with it. And Russia isn't defending, they are invading.

As soon as Putin pulls out of Ukraine, the war stops.

So, exactly which countries in the "entire planet (that matters) " think that Russian army is a joke? Any concrete examples?

As soon as Putin pulls out of Ukraine, NATO comes to the border and it is back on again - this time all over Russian territory.

Besides, that scenario will never happen because we all saw the coup, the Odessa burnings, the controversial marches, the war on decent Donbass - the offenders need to be severely punished for their massive transgressions against public decency. That is what is occurring. Plus, ensure they remain neutralist.

The Fu....

The Russian economy is hurting

Really? You may want to check that. Compared to the UK, most of Europe, especially Germany it is doing much better. Best not to look at Ukraine's economy. They don't have one. 40% of what they did have (the Dombas) is now under Russian control.

"Huh? There are many videos of Ukrainian men being hunted by recruitment gangs---Someone's trying to pretend Russian men haven't been escaping Russia for the past 2.5 years to escape conscription for Putin's war of ego."

So you have no video evidence of men being hunted in the Russian cities to be sent to the frontline as happens in Ukrainian cities then? OK, so just the usual made up stuff , got it. Lets put this into the "trust me bro" box then, lol.

Someone's trying to pretend Russian men haven't been escaping Russia for the past 2.5 years to escape conscription for Putin's war of ego.

Every country has people avoiding military service. Russia has had no problems finding recruits. 30,000 a month were signing up in 2023. Ukraine has now reached the bottom of the barrel. The "Ukrainians in Poland " brigade has just been announced as a figment of imagination as the Ukrainians in Poland are there to avoid the war. There were no takers. Personally, I don't blame them, they can see the writing on the wall. Why waste your life on a lost US/NATO pipe dream.

So you have no video evidence of men being hunted in the Russian cities to be sent to the frontline as happens in Ukrainian cities then?

Public knowledge mate.

Sorry, am I supposed to be supporting reality to you?

So you have no video evidence of men being hunted in the Russian cities to be sent to the frontline as happens in Ukrainian cities then?

Public knowledge mate. Sorry, am I supposed to be supporting reality to you?

Cool bro, so zero evidence, just made up blabber as usual. Got it.

Almost 100% of people in Kyiv-regime occupied areas don't have electricity.

Almost 100% of people in Kyiv-regime occupied areas don't have electricity.

Good people those Ukrainians.

"Really? You may want to check that. Compared to the UK, most of Europe, especially Germany it is doing much better. "

That is true. IMF reports say as much. Some on here seem to think they know better than IMF for some reason, it is puzzling.

"That is true. IMF reports say as much. Some on here seem to think they know better than IMF for some reason, it is puzzling.....................

Because all the world's media is in a secret deep state cabal to make sure they say the same thing right, and only Putin, who controls the Kremlin, who control the Russian media, is speaking the truth right?"

Do you think IMF is wrong or misleading in their reports? Is IMF in Putin's pocket?

At least then the world would be rid of Putin.

Putie puffing.

He can’t even fight Ukraine. He wants no part of NATO.