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Putin warns Russia will respond to NATO missile shield

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U.S. claims that the shield isn’t aimed against Russia but instead intended to fend off a missile threat from Iran.

Heh. I thought the nuclear deal (pushed past US congress by obama) prohibited iran from developing missiles?

The mullahs just going to do whatever they want cause obama is soft & almost done. They might as well go on & openly enrich uranium. . . . there won't be a snap-back to sanctions. Unless China and Russia also gives the green light too.

Some deal huh.

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We should send Sarah Palin back to Alaska where she can keep an eye on Russia. C'mon Vlad...you're buzzing our ships and we have been patient enough with your shenanigans not to blow your planes out of the sky...

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U.S. claims that the shield isn’t aimed against Russia but instead intended to fend off a missile threat from Iran.

Heh. I thought the nuclear deal (pushed past US congress by obama) prohibited iran from developing missiles?

Precisely, Robert. Iran's just an excuse. Russia's an excuse too, for an amoral behemoth that rationalises and measures wholesale slaughter by gains on Wall Street.

Nothing personal, just business.

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Russia should put a missile defense system in Cuba to fend off the threats from......uhm.....Canada.

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It will be difficult for Russia because of continuing economic difficulties. Russians are well behind on key technologies for building precision weapons, targeting pods and active electronically scanned array radars. Russia no longer has the capability to build large warships the size of a carrier and it uses antiquated construction techniques. Russian soldiers are continuing to use old Soviet-built hardware.

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Nothing personal, just business.

When they chant "death to america" and oplenly threaten to blow the tits off of Isreal (the only democracy in ME & our ally) with those missiles, some take it personal.

. . . the ones living under sharia but are glued to their iPhones while drinking Coca-Cola. The mullahs control them like they control obama.

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Wc626 MAY. 14, 2016 - 11:08AM JST and openlenly threaten to blow the tits off of Isreal

Annually, U.S. spends billions toward Isreal, would they give up receiving the money? Not a fat chance.

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It's a bit early to claim the threat from Iran has gone. And certainly not the pie shop in NK.

And then of course there is MadVlad himself and his invading and annexing of bordering countries.

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Putin said Russia “will do everything needed to ensure and preserve the strategic balance, which is the most reliable guarantee from large-scale military conflicts,”

I have a more effective way to guarantee from large-scale military conflicts, Mr Putin, which is you and your 20th century throwback paranoid KGB klepto'government' step down and allow democracy in Russia. Europe is only your 'enemy' because you insist on seeing it that way

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And then of course there is MadVlad himself and his invading and annexing of bordering countries.

Wow! You're understanding of geopolitics is phenomenal!

Notice the article never mentions the Peace Prize winning President by name. Yes folks, your Peace Prize President has ramped up his economic war against Russia to an actual weapons race. I'm guessing you'll still refuse to acknowledge this and try to point to Crimea as some sort of Putin's global domination plan.

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Putin is not a freshly squeezed marsh mallow.

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Pootie received the communist chinese peace prize..

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So, if anyone outside of Russia decides to try to protect themselves from Russia, Russia will take offense? Sounds like a good reason to want to protect one's self from Russia.

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Fizz,

You Russian's are always going to think Putin's Land grabs are normal behaviour. The rest of us just find that a little wierd. It's kinda like Germany annexing Austria.

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When USSR back in the day wanted to station missiles that would reach US in Cuba we all know the response. Why would anyone not expect Russia to respond to missiles being stationed on its doorstep in Poland ? Because the system has a fuzzy " defense shield" in its name?

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Well vert, this might be a bit challenging for you, but here is what Noam Chomsky thinks about US benevolence.

While there are no freestanding foreign bases permanently located in the United States, there are now around 800 US bases in foreign countries. Seventy years after World War II and 62 years after the Korean War, there are still 174 US ‘base sites’ in Germany, 113 in Japan, and 83 in South Korea, according to the Pentagon. Hundreds more dot the planet in around 80 countries, including Aruba and Australia, Bahrain and Bulgaria, Colombia, Kenya, and Qatar, among many other places. Although few Americans realize it, the United States likely has bases in more foreign lands than any other people, nation, or empire in history

Curious to know how you're gonna spin this one. Lol. Maybe you could try calling me the great great grandson of Karl Marx or the spawn of Satan.

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@marcelito

When USSR back in the day wanted to station missiles that would reach US in Cuba we all know the response. Why would anyone not expect Russia to respond to missiles being stationed on its doorstep in Poland ?

The Soviet missiles in Cuba were nuclear weapons. The NATO missiles in Romania are not nuclear weapons. The comparison is phoney. If the missiles in Romania were nukes, then yes Russia would have every reason to react in a similar fashion. But they are not. They are designed to prevent a nuclear attack, not deliver one.

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sfjp330

it uses antiquated construction techniques. Russian soldiers are continuing to use old Soviet-built hardware.

Nah, tell it to the bad guys from Daesh, they have very different opinion about Russian weapons capabilities. In case you missed it: in six months Russians with their "old" weapons achieved in Syria much, much more then US in Afghanistan and Iraq in six years.

Yoshitsune

20th century throwback paranoid KGB klepto'government'

Wow, nice throwback into 20th century propaganda. Ardent "Voice of America" listener?

Madverts

You Russian's are always going to think Putin's Land grabs are normal behaviour.

You NATO propagandists are always going to think that calling Putin different names will whitewash your crimes. How many people were killed in US / NATO agressions against Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya? Half a million? More? After all that crimes Russians are more then right not to believe even one word from US. Putin is absolutely right not to allow Russia to become the next victim of US / NATO "normal behaviour".

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Ardent "Voice of America" listener?

No. I have never listened to a single second of it.

Putin is absolutely right not to allow Russia to become the next victim of US / NATO "normal behaviour".

The threat to Russia from NATO is absolutely zero so long as Russia doesn't attack a NATO member. That should be pretty simple for Putin to work out. Should be.

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As Russia's economy continues to sputter and the people there grow more dissatisfied with their own government and lack of leadership, well, I worry about what Putin might do to lift Russia's sagging spirits.

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Ironic Stormcrow, that Putin is building bridges while the peace prize winner is building war machines.

http://russia-insider.com/en/putin-pontiff-bridge-maker/ri14223

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When USSR back in the day wanted to station missiles that would reach US in Cuba we all know the response.

That was different though. Climax of cold war. Those missiles in Cube were offensive in nature.

NATO is creating a shield missile defense. Nato wouldn't be such fools too provoke russia now, the way Krushchev directly threatened the US back in '62.

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Yoshitsune

If the missiles in Romania were nukes, then yes Russia would have every reason to react in a similar fashion. But they are not

Some basics of military strategy for you. During the Cold War the US had nuclear missiles, capable of destroying the USSR. The Soviet Union also had a nuclear arsenal, capable of destroying the US. That possibility of mutual destruction served as effective deterrent for both sides and helped to maintain peace. Now the US by their missiles in Rumania can undermine the Russian deterrent, giving the US a possibility of a sudden strike. What do you think any sane Russian leader should do? Believe the US sweet talk?

The threat to Russia from NATO is absolutely zero so long as Russia doesn't attack a NATO member.

Seriously? Or this is some kind of silly joke? OK, name the NATO member, attacked by Yugoslavia? Attacked by Iraq? Attacked by Libya? Nevertheless these countries were practically destroyed by NATO agressions. NATO is a criminal organization with a track record of a serial killer. And yes, it is "pretty simple for Putin to work out".

Wc626

Nato wouldn't be such fools too provoke russia now,

In fact they are fools because they provoke. Very simple question: what would be the US reaction if Russia deployes shield missiles in Cuba and Nicaragua, along with combat ships and fighters?

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FizzBit,

If you consider the intentional bombings of hospitals as building bridges, then I'm at a loss for words.

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Stormcrow,

are you talking about the hospital bombing in Afghanistan? Oh wait, that was a mistake. Too bad, so sad. Next....

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Asakaze,

Some basics of military strategy for you

I don't need a lecture in MAD. I understand why Russia doesn't like Europe having a missile shield. But my point to marcelito that his comparison was phoney still stands - the Soviet missiles in Cuba weren't to neutralise nukes. The missiles in Cuba were nukes. That is factually correct - would you deny it? - and the situation then was therefore a completely different kettle of fish.

Seriously? Or this is some kind of silly joke?

No, it wasn't a joke. I'll say it again. There is no territorial threat to Russia from NATO whatsoever, and no existential threat so long as Russia refrains from a first strike. Putin is paranoid. Or perhaps, rather, he doesn't really feel threatened and is merely cultivating the siege mentality he needs to keep his grip on the reins.

Your list of NATO actions - each of which I may or may not agree with - does not demonstrate that Russia is under threat of attack.

what would be the US reaction if Russia deployes shield missiles in Cuba and Nicaragua, along with combat ships and fighters?

Shield missiles or nuclear missiles? Given that there is zero chance of a US nuclear strike against Cuba or Nicaragua, I'd say a missile shield either country would be a total waste of money and of little concern to the US.

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No, it wasn't a joke. I'll say it again. There is no territorial threat to Russia from NATO whatsoever,

Who are you to determine this? That comment is so naive. You DO know that Obama has started an economic war with Russia right? And you SHOULD know that the US was behind the coup in Kiev right? Boy-O-boy, i guess the world does need ditch diggers.

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You DO know that Obama has started an economic war with Russia right?

I know that Russia is under economic sanctions for its actions in Ukraine.

And you SHOULD know that the US was behind the coup in Kiev right?

According to Russia Today.

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Yoshitsune

the Soviet missiles in Cuba weren't to neutralise nukes

Soviet missiles in Cuba were the reaction to US missiles near Soviet borders. Type of missiles was different, but the idea was the same - maintaining the balance. Now the US intends to demolish the strategic balance, to undermine the Russian deterrent. Putin's reaction is very logical and rational, any normal president would react to such actions.

There is no territorial threat to Russia from NATO whatsoever

Another joke? Tell it to the Serbians. You forgot how they were robbed of a whole province, that's the way how NATO decided to construct an artificial country, now the failed narcostate Kosovo.

Your list of NATO actions - each of which I may or may not agree with - does not demonstrate that Russia is under threat of attack.

Sure, sure: "the serial killer has already murdered three people, but it does not mean you are under threat". No, a murderer near your home (or criminal gang like NATO near your border) means exactly that - you under threat too, you can be the next victim.

Given that there is zero chance of a US nuclear strike against Cuba or Nicaragua

No, Russian missiles to protect these countries from a strike from, ummm, Iran. Or North Korea. Or an attack from Martians.

According to Russia Today.

Not only RT. Other media reported a lot about US / EU politicians flocking to Kiev in show of support to the coup plotters, there was the recording of Nuland conversation and a lot of other stuff to confirm the fact that the coup in February-2014 was instigated by the US.

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There is no territorial threat to Russia from NATO whatsoever, and no existential threat so long as Russia refrains from a first strike. Putin is paranoid.

And you have knowledge of and guarantee this on your authority as.....?.. who exactly in the NATO hierarchy? I think Putin ,s " paranoia " is anything but.

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Asakaze,

Putin's reaction is very logical and rational, any normal president would react to such actions.

I refer you back to my first post on the thread. A better solution would be democracy in Russia. Better for the Russian people, better for Europe, better for the world; better for everyone except Putin and his KGB gang. That's what this is all about; a cabal of KGB gangsters in charge of the country and determined to retain control at any cost. The threat to them is not military. The threat is that the last quarter century has demonstrated very clearly that Eastern European countries which suffered under the Soviet system thrive in the EU, and that the Russian people may eventually want the same. That is the threat, and that is why Putin does all he can to destabilise Europe. Self preservation at any cost.

Tell it to the Serbians

I would rather that the Serbians not been engaging in a genocidal campaign. The butchers of the Balkans, Karadzic and Mladic, were Russia's men, and I would rather point out to the Serbs that they are much better off joining the EU than being run by Russian-backed nationalist strongmen. Though I don't need to point this out to them - the majority of Serbs already realise this, and they now have elections to prove it. The EU, its institutions, and its funding, is underpinning stability in the Balkans. Putin would have it descend into bloodshed once more rather than see it peaceful and prosperous.

Sure, sure: "the serial killer has already murdered three people, but it does not mean you are under threat". No, a murderer near your home (or criminal gang like NATO near your border) means exactly that - you under threat too, you can be the next victim.

Waffle masking a lack of substance in response to the point made.

No, Russian missiles to protect these countries from a strike from, ummm, Iran. Or North Korea. Or an attack from Martians.

As I said, Russian missiles to protect Nicaragua or Cuba from the US would be completely redundant and a waste of money - just as much as if they were protecting them from Martians.

Not only RT. Other media reported a lot about US / EU politicians flocking to Kiev in show of support to the coup plotters, there was the recording of Nuland conversation and a lot of other stuff to confirm the fact that the coup in February-2014 was instigated by the US.

And there it is, right on cue - the Nuland reference! Please do tell us about her cookies. Why don't you also provide the link to her speech on YouTube which actually disproves rather than proves the Kremlinbot misrepresentation of what she said?

@marcelito

who exactly in the NATO hierarchy?

The entirety of it. There is no threat to Russia from NATO as long as they don't attack first, and the only threat to Russia from the EU is that Russians will see how much better life is now for the former Iron Curtain countries and wonder why it's still so grim for them.

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Yoshitsune

Better for the Russian people, better for Europe, better for the world; better for everyone except Putin and his KGB gang

Usual Western propaganda nonsense. It would have been better for Europe and for the whole world had NATO disbanded in 90s right after the Warsaw pact. NATO then managed to retain itself (what for?), promising Russians not to expand, then disowned the promise and expanded right to the Russian borders, just like Hitler did in 1941. Europeans should get rid of the NATO killer gang.

The butchers of the Balkans

The real butchers of the Balkans are general Clark, the NATO commander, Izetbegovich, the Moslem leader, and Tujman, the Croat leader. Under orders of these three much more people were killed then by orders of Mladic. And yes, Taci, the "Kosovo prime minister". Even del Ponte, the faithful US pet dog, later admitted that this thug was involved in drugs trafficking, dealings with human organs and all other types of gangster activity. Typical NATO poster child.

Putin would have it descend into bloodshed

Nonsense. All that Putin is interested in is keeping NATO agressors away from the Russian borders. Some sober, not NATObots', views on him:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/29/the-demonization-of-vladimir-putin/

https://www.thenation.com/article/russia-europes-scapegoat-for-all-seasons/

Waffle masking a lack of substance in response to the point made

Correct description of NATO propaganda. After agressions against Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya the have problems with painting themselves as a peaceful organization.

Russian missiles to protect Nicaragua or Cuba from the US would be completely redundant and a waste of money

It seems you do need a lecture on MAD. Russian missiles in Cuba and Nicaragua would be very handy, just like US missiles near the Russian border. Symmetric answer. But I think Pitin will find another way around to please the US, he proved to be a very resourceful leader.

Why don't you also provide the link to her speech on YouTube

No problem. For starters enjoy this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TpZa4OMFVk

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what would be the US reaction if Russia deployes shield missiles in Cuba and Nicaragua, along with combat ships and fighters?

That baboon -Obama- would prob welcome it. I did NOT vote for change. The soviets have learned a lesson in Cuba, '62.

If they deployed "shields" in Cuba, Nicaragua. No prob. They're just "shields."

Combat ships? Fighters? Now that is a different scenario . . . like how Krushchev "placed" strategic missiles 90 mi. south of Florida, USA. That was pretty bold. (sheesh) . . . . glad ussr COLLAPSED!!

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Usual Western propaganda nonsense. It would have been better for Europe and for the whole world had NATO disbanded in 90s right after the Warsaw pact

Propaganda? Why is it propaganda to think that Russians would have better lives in a democratic Russia than they do in Putin's kleptocracy? You're describing what would have been better for Putin; I'm describing what would have been better for the Russian people.

Taci, the "Kosovo prime minister". Even del Ponte, the faithful US pet dog, later admitted that this thug was involved in drugs trafficking, dealings with human organs and all other types of gangster activity. Typical NATO poster child.

He is a thug. I'm not defending him. Note that I haven't actually stated any support for Kosovo as a separate country; don't make the mistake of assuming that I must automatically take the opposing position to you on Kosovo because I take the opposing view on Putin. And he's hardly a NATO poster child - there are NATO members that do not recognise Kosovo as a state and therefore him as a prime minister.

All that Putin is interested in is keeping NATO agressors away from the Russian borders

Putin is interested in very much more than that, and his meddling in the Balkans has nothing to do with keeping NATO away from Russia's borders. Russia has no borders with those countries. They are not Russia's footstool.

Correct description of NATO propaganda.

Is that supposed to be an attempt at debate? I was describing the contents of your post, not NATO propaganda. Of course you well know this.

It seems you do need a lecture on MAD. Russian missiles in Cuba and Nicaragua would be very handy, just like US missiles near the Russian border.

Again, in the hypothetical event of a nuclear war between the US and Russia, Cuba and Nicaragua are not potential targets, so missile shields to protect them would not be handy in any way whatsoever and the suggestion has nothing to do with MAD. If you're talking about missiles in Cuba being used for MAD, then you must be talking about nuclear missiles. Which proves the point I was making - defensive missile shields and nuclear missiles are a different kettle of fish. European countries however would be targets for Russian nukes, making a shield there handy.

Thanks for the vids. I was hoping you'd wheel out the 5 billion in 25 years one, but never mind. What you have posted, while highlighting unpleasant factions in Ukraine (which are already well known), categorically fails "to confirm the fact that the coup in February-2014 was instigated by the US". Here, have a 'Nuland cookie'

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Yoshitsune

I'm describing what would have been better for the Russian people.

I see no connection between the subject of NATO armies at Russia's doorstep and the problem of democracy in Russia. Anyway, all Western polling agencies admit that Putin's support exceeds 80 percent. I think it is better to leave Russians to decide what to do with their political system (and they do it freely, regardless of NATObots' claims to the contrary) . Europeans and Americans should amuse themselves with another subject - what to do with kleptocracy in theit own countries.

He is a thug. I'm not defending him

You're a private citizen, you can defend / attack whoever / whatever you like, it does not matter. What's matter is the official position of NATO, and it is very clear: for them he is not a thug, but an ally and friend. And for thugs such Taci NATO killed many thousands of people to create a thug's state Kosovo in the stolen Serbian province. That's alone speaks volumes about what a criminal organization itself NATO is. "Tell me who you're friends, and I'll tell who you are".

and his meddling in the Balkans

Oh, that's new for me. Can you give examples of "Putin's meddling in the Balkans"? That would be fun.

Is that supposed to be an attempt at debate?

Well, I asked how one should react to a serial killer (NATO, after agressions against Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya) at your door when you stopped any logical debate. Want to resume it?

defensive missile shields and nuclear missiles are a different kettle of fish

Again - you're a private citizen, you can write whatever you like, but the logic of military planners is very simple: any missiles at the border, including the shield missiles (because they destroy the nuclear balance), are a threat, clear and obvious, that should be dealt with. And it would.

while highlighting unpleasant factions in Ukraine

No, it highlights the pure fact that the US decides who to become whom in the future (post-putzch) "Ukrainian government". They paid, they did all the preparations, now they decide. Heh, you seem to have eaten all the "Nuland's cookies". Congrats, or something.

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I see no connection between the subject of NATO armies at Russia's doorstep and the problem of democracy in Russia

The connection is that Europe is only Russia's 'enemy' because Putin insists on seeing it so.

What's matter is the official position of NATO, and it is very clear: for them he is not a thug, but an ally and friend.

Stop telling porkies - no, it is not clear. There is no NATO consensus on the status of Kosovo, with several NATO members not recognising it.

Oh, that's new for me. Can you give examples of "Putin's meddling in the Balkans"? That would be fun.

I speak of his backing for Serbian nationalists. But you're trying to deflect from the point - you said that Putin's interest in the Balkans was keeping NATO away from Russian borders. My point is that Russia has no borders with the Balkans.

Well, I asked how one should react to a serial killer (NATO, after agressions against Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya) at your door

Well, if you're Romania with Putin your door, you unfortunately need to install defensive weapons systems. If Russia is so scared of NATO, why doesn't it just install a defence shield of its own? By which I do not mean nukes in Nicaragua; I mean a defensive missile shield in Russia.

the logic of military planners is very simple: any missiles at the border, including the shield missiles (because they destroy the nuclear balance), are a threat, clear and obvious, that should be dealt with

That wasn't the point being argued. Go back and look what marcelito wrote, and look at my response. The Cuban missile crisis is not comparable to this system in Romania, because the missiles in Cuba were offensive nuclear weapons.

No, it highlights the pure fact that the US decides who to become whom in the future (post-putzch) "Ukrainian government"

Nonsense. You claimed to be able "to confirm the fact that the coup in February-2014 was instigated by the US". Your videos do nothing of the sort, and you have absolutely failed t do anything of the sort. There is absolutely no evidence in them that the US orchestrated a coup in Kiev.

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800 million spent for this. More debt thanks to the central bankers. Oh how they love war!

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