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I don't know, but what the Australiens are doing during this pandemic is completely over the limit.

I guess that the crazy Australien Government will also require, that everyone who enters Australia needs a vaccine!

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Qantas should buy a computer with an internet connection, and google “H1N1, 2009, vaccine, no long term testing, thousands of children with severe brain damage”.

drug companies don’t have to care because they can’t be sued, but Qantas forcing customers to take a vaccine, they definitely can be sued.

-6 ( +16 / -22 )

Here we go.....

On nearly the same day, China's Xi is calling for an internationally recognized QR Code to track travellers.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/coronavirus-china-qr-code-system-international-travel-xi-jinping-g20-b1760434.html

There will be forced vaccinations for other activities as well. Regardless of how you feel about this individual human rights will continue to be shredded using Covid as a catalyst.

We are entering a brave new era.

1 ( +15 / -14 )

100% controlled and brainwashed!

Same like you can see in some Science Fiction Movies will come to reality...as long as the people don't fight back.

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@Monty

I don't know, but what the Australiens are doing during this pandemic is completely over the limit.

So you call saving lives over the limit..

I guess that the crazy Australien Government will also require, that everyone who enters Australia needs a vaccine!

Their Country they do as they please you dont have to go there...

6 ( +20 / -14 )

Their Country they do as they please you dont have to go there

Anyway I have zero interest to go there!

-14 ( +11 / -25 )

So you call saving lives over the limit..

I agree that they save lives from COVID, but they destroy many lives with suicide according lockdowns, domestic violence increased because of lockdowns, live existence destroyed because of lockdowns...

But nobody will ever know the real numbers about that!

-9 ( +11 / -20 )

They will lose business. Provide testing instead.

6 ( +14 / -8 )

They will lose business

I absoultely agree.

And I am sure, if they really implement that, 1 or 2 month later they will change that again because there business will go down a lot.

And money counts...also for an Australien Airline.

-11 ( +7 / -18 )

They seem to have it together, at least better than America does.

9 ( +18 / -9 )

They seem to have it together, at least better than America does.

Things are not always what they seem.

-8 ( +8 / -16 )

The big question here is: Will the Australien Government force / require its population to take the vaccine?

If Yes, what will happen then?

What will all the Australien Vaccine Deniers do?

-10 ( +7 / -17 )

Guess, I wont be going to oz anytime soon.

-5 ( +10 / -15 )

Their Country they do as they please you dont have to go there

Anyway I have zero interest to go there!

Don’t go then. What’s the situation with Fantasy Island Air these days?

As much as I find anti-vaxxers easily-led, boring wastes of oxygen, I can’t accept the idea of forced vaccinations or excluding people who haven’t been vaccinated.

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In my opinion, what Qantas is doing, is just the beginning.

But Let's wait and see, what will happen when a safe and effective vaccine is implemented.

I hope and I wish that Australia will be the same like before the pandemic, but I think, many things will be changed by the Australien Government.

But most of the Australien Citizens will not be happy about that.

But I really hope that I am wrong...

-9 ( +8 / -17 )

@ Monty

You seem to be confusing Qantas with the Australian Government. Qantas is a private company. It can do what it wants re vaccinations. It is almost certainly introducing this measure because it knows, unlike you and the others like you in this comments thread, that the only way to restore the confidence of potential customers to fly in their planes is to introduce precisely this measure.

And if you imagine that Qantas is going to be the only airline worldwide that's going to require a vaccination before you fly, or that the Australian Government will be the only government worldwide to require proof of vaccination before you enter their country, then you are living in fantasy land.

For the foreseeable future, before you travel internationally, you will need to be vaccinated against Covid-19. Or you can simply stay where you are. Your choice.

9 ( +16 / -7 )

Anyway I have zero interest to go there!

so doesnt stop the almost 10million that do visit Australia each year, pre covid19

8 ( +13 / -5 )

Goodlucktoyou:

but Qantas forcing customers to take a vaccine, they definitely can be sued.

Qantas is not "forcing customers to take a vaccine." Qantas is saying that if you want to be a Qantas customer, you need to be vaccinated in order to fly with them. If you don't want to fly with Qantas because you don't want to be vaccinated, don't fly. Stay where you are. You retain the right to choose.

7 ( +13 / -6 )

But most of the Australien Citizens will not be happy about that.

why wouldn't they, covid 19 infection is almost near zero thanks to Australias governement.

why would Australians feel unhappy about ensuring secondary infections from overseas travelers are kept as low as possible. Australia has already secured enough vaccines from the UK to cover its entire population

7 ( +13 / -6 )

Qantas international routes, many of which are long haul of over 12 hours duration are the reason. They have a duty of care to all passengers and crew. The only way to do that is to ensure all who fly have had vaccinations.

Any airline that does not have such a policy will be open to being sued by any passenger who catches covid on their flighs and should any passenger die as a result they are open to paying death benefits under current international aviation laws.

Most if not all international carriers that include long haul flights will end up with this requirement. I guess the antivaxers will not be traveling between continents any more and maybe that is a good thing.

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@Big Yen

For the foreseeable future, before you travel internationally, you will need to be vaccinated against Covid-19

That is exactly the point!

The question is: Will countries deny peoples entry without vaccine?

Will Airlines deny passengers without vaccine? (Even private or not)

I am a pro vaccination Guy, and I will take the vaccine at once when it is safe, effective and available.

So if countries requires vaccine for Entry and if airlines deny passengers, I am OK.

But I want to decide by my own, if I take a vaccine or not!

But there are many vaccine deniers, who also like to travel.

What will they do?

I think some countries in the world have or had already some vaccination mandatory before entry, right? (Malaria, or Yellow fever...) But I am not really sure about that.

So will the world implement the same rule for Corona?

Qantas is planning to start that now...let's wait and see who will follow.

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carpslidyToday 02:46 pm JST

Guess, I wont be going to oz anytime soon.

Your choice. Australia doesn't want unvaccinated visitors. Neither, probably, will anyone else. If and when international air travel gets going again, there will be far more people who'll be only too happy to fly on a safe airline to a safe destination and have a safe holiday. If you don't want to be one of them - and with your comments over the course of this pandemic I know exactly how you feel about Covid-19 - then good. Stay away. But as I posted in reply to Monty, if you think requirements like this will be limited to Qantas, or to Australia, you're living in fantasy land.

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@Big Yen

Australia has already secured enough vaccines from the UK to cover its entire population

I am not talking about vaccination. Vaccination is perfect. I hope that everyone in the world takes it.

I am talking about additional permanent restrictions in public life that will be probably implemented by the Australian Government.

About that the Australian People will be not happy.

But Let us Go back to vaccination:

Let us guess you are a vaccination denier, but you want to travel to USA. And you want to fly with a cheap airline to safe money. But that airline will tell you, NO, because you have no vaccination. So you are forced to choose a more expensive airline or not to go.

Would you be happy about that?

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But I want to decide by my own, if I take a vaccine or not!

You can still decide. Who's stopping you?

But there are many vaccine deniers, who also like to travel.

Not travel. At least not to countries that require them to be vaccinated.

What will they do?

Reflect on the choice they've made, and on the consequences that can ensue from that choice.

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When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.

Thomas Hobbes, "The Leviathan"

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Australians are serious about their vaccinations. Children are not allowed in public schools if they have not been properly vaccinated.

This action by Qantas will be repeated by many businesses, airlines and governments over the coming months and year.

I predict countries with a large population of those who are unwilling to be vaccinated, will see their economies dragged down as a result of restrictions placed on said nations borders by other nations.

7 ( +12 / -5 )

The big question here is: Will the Australien Government force / require its population to take the vaccine?

The Australian Government has already said it will not force its population to take this vaccine, or any other vaccine. It may require its population to be vaccinated if they wish to travel overseas and return from overseas. But if they value their anti-vaxxer beliefs more highly than they value their desire to travel overseas, then they will not have to submit themselves to the horror (sarcasm) of a vaccination.

What will all the Australien Vaccine Deniers do?

Same as they always do. Nothing, except carp and whinge about the denial of their rights.

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Qantas should buy a computer with an internet connection, and google “H1N1, 2009, vaccine, no long term testing, thousands of children with severe brain damage”.

drug companies don’t have to care because they can’t be sued, but Qantas forcing customers to take a vaccine, they definitely can be sued.

And they would find that the vaccine in general protected one subgroup of people from the terrible effect the natural infection produced in their immunity, except for one lot that could not do it as required because it contained impurities from the virus, but still was much better than getting the infection which was the real cause of the problems. If anything the autoimmune narcolepsy because of the nuclear protein of the influenza virus proves that vaccinating is much better than not doing it, even with unrecognized risks being possible.

Vaccine companies still have to make their product pass the laboratory tests that the government forces on every single lot of vaccine to be used for humans, the myth that they don't care is just that, a myth. And every private company can justify a measure to protect the health of their passengers without being sued, else every smoker could sue them for making the flights completely non-smoking.

There will be forced vaccinations for other activities as well. Regardless of how you feel about this individual human rights will continue to be shredded using Covid as a catalyst.

You mean for travel to certain countries or to get certain jobs? because that has been happening for decades, just search for the yellow card to visit African countries or the requirements to be a nurse or a doctor in most countries.

100% controlled and brainwashed!

Yeah, people believing completely false information and not knowing of very old health requirements could be validly described as brainwashed, antivaxxers depend on this to make other people believe their conspiracies.

 agree that they save lives from COVID, but they destroy many lives with suicide according lockdowns, domestic violence increased because of lockdowns, live existence destroyed because of lockdowns...

Present your evidence, a cost/benefit analysis that demonstrate that more lives are lost with a measure than without it, public health professionals use data to decide policies, an uninformed and baseless opinion is not something worth being listened to.

The big question here is: Will the Australien Government force / require its population to take the vaccine?

As likely as the number of times it has happened in the past. Does the Australian government forces religious people to take blood transfusions? because that is an actual life or death situation that can be solved by a reasonably safe and effective measure.

In the same way it "forces" people to demonstrate they can competently drive a vehicle before letting them do it in public roads, the government can "force" people to demonstrate having immunity to a very contagious disease in order to do some things (like visiting a nursing home or ride for endless hours in a closed vehicle). At this point the vaccine is the easiest, cheapest way to at least prove some immunity, for some people spending some hundreds of dollars for a T-cell reactivity against specific SARS-CoV-2 antigens panel test would be better, there is still time for a company to make it and put it as a commercially available thing. Since the natural infection is hugely more risky than any vaccine being in phase III right now people that already have been infected would have nothing to lose vaccinating, but they would be free to spend money to prove their immunity.

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With a dark history of forced euthanasia and sterilization in europe, japan and many parts of the world. Forced vaccination has zero percent chance of being adopted.

And good luck implementing in the US.

Furthermore if young people have an almost zero percentage chance of taking up hospital space, as long as the elderly are vaccinated why every needs it, makes little sense.

I am no vaccination denier but I believe in the freedom of the individual to choose.

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It will be very interesting to see if the Japanese government will follow suit and require foreign Olympic athletes to be vaccinated before arriving in Tokyo next July...

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Forced vaccination has zero percent chance of being adopted.

I’d agree, but there is real possibility of anti-vaxxers being excluded from many places and situations like the one above. Work policies will be interesting.

Work shouldn’t be a problem for many anti-vaxxers as they live in basements.

2 ( +8 / -6 )

so here is the deal.

once there will be vaccine-secure one-tested one-and without side effects, i may consider vaccination.

at this very moment all so called vaccines are not secure ones,not properly-yet tested ones,and may have side effects.

so no vaccination and no travel to downunder in foreaseable future?

yes sir!

-3 ( +4 / -7 )

But there are many vaccine deniers, who also like to travel.

What will they do?

I'm sure there will be other countries that may allow the willingly-diseased to roam within their borders.

2 ( +5 / -3 )

I for one am taking every precaution possible not to get the COVID, however, the vaccine is not something I want nor will get due to my heart issues and the unknowns of the long term effects of the vaccine.

So, if I never visit Australia again it cannot be helped I choose my health over being cornered in order to get on a plane.

2 ( +7 / -5 )

at this very moment all so called vaccines are not secure ones,not properly-yet tested ones

For the experts they are properly tested, at least for as long as some of the vaccines that are already in use currently without problems.

I for one am taking every precaution possible not to get the COVID, however, the vaccine is not something I want nor will get due to my heart issues and the unknowns of the long term effects of the vaccine.

Perfectly fine, as long as you understand several things.

No protection is perfect and you will always have some risk of being infected.

It is also unknown the long terms effects of the natural infection, and some things that have been found already indicate that many people will have them (from long term heart damage to autoimmune endocrine problems and brain deterioration) None of these problems have been found in vaccine volunteers until now.

The natural infection produces viral proteins a million times over what is in a vaccine, and for COVID-19 this includes over 2 dozen extra proteins made by the virus specifically to disrupt the immunity of the patient.

Any vaccine approved by definition represents less risk for a person (with or without preexisting conditions) than being infected by the virus according to the best available science.

Your choice is of course yours to make, but it is not between being healthy or getting some risk, it is between risking your health with the possibility of getting the disease and their known and unknown health problems on one side and with a vaccine that at least has some safety studies been done on the other side.

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@Monty

I am talking about additional permanent restrictions in public life that will be probably implemented by the Australian Government.

About that the Australian People will be not happy.

There are no "permanent restrictions" on public life about to be or scheduled to be or foreseen to be implemented by the Australian Government. Any health related restrictions that promote saving lives will be accepted, (like mandatory seat belts) by the public without issue. Australia has a mature educated public able to ascertain a necessity measure as opposed to one that is not. Perhaps where others live it is a different story.

8 ( +12 / -4 )

I don't know, but what the Australiens are doing during this pandemic is completely over the limit.

Oz govt is pretty strict, absolutely, but what they are doing is effective since they are almost covid19 infection free as opposed to the half arsed, conflicting policies our LDP daimyos are coming up with here that are only resulting in the Covid numbers increasing. Let's hear the shrieks of disagreement from the resident LDP fanboys.

7 ( +11 / -4 )

It's a good scheme but it will only work if every airline adopts the policy. For example, if I fly to Australia on JAL or ANA, and they don't require a "health passport," what happens to me at Sydney airport? Will immigration -- which has no connection to Qantas -- let me in? The policy should be a government-mandated one, not an airline policy.

While I'm confident all airlines will adopt this policy, they may not all do it at the same time.

0 ( +5 / -5 )

I wonder if the ‘knowledgeable’ out there are aware that many different airlines traditionally fly into and out of Australia, and that Qantas is just one of many airlines to choose from to travel to and from the country?

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@Jimizo

As much as I find anti-vaxxers easily-led, boring wastes of oxygen, I can’t accept the idea of forced vaccinations or excluding people who haven’t been vaccinated.

Why the hostility? By anti-vaxxer, do you mean people who totally refuse vaccines, or people who are skeptical about the need for a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine?

One day you might need to thank them, as they'll be the only ones with the intestinal fortitude to fight against mandatory or quasi-mandatory vaccination while everyone else resigns themselves to defeat.

kyushubill Today  03:31 pm JST

When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.

Thomas Hobbes, "The Leviathan"

Exactly.

-8 ( +3 / -11 )

You mean for travel to certain countries or to get certain jobs? because that has been happening for decades, just search for the yellow card to visit African countries or the requirements to be a nurse or a doctor in most countries.

Straw man. Most people are not travelling to Africa to work, and in any case it's easy for people to chose whether they want to pursue a career that would take them there or work in the health industry. And the vaccines in question have been around for a long time and proved safe.

For people who simply want to travel home to visit family in developed countries, there's no need to get vaccinated to fly on an airliner and in any case, this virus is not the scourge you make it out to be for the vast majority of the population. For the people most at risk, sure, they can get vaccinated but there's simply no need for the rest.

-7 ( +4 / -11 )

Some countries already require visitors certain vaccinations in order to obtain a visa

8 ( +9 / -1 )

Mandatory vaccinations with exclusion from essential activities and denial of the human right of bodily autonomy is just the beginning of the soon coming so called 'Great Reset' about to be fully implemented by our elite overlords.

For those who are accepting of such things you can look forward to more and more Chinese style dictatorial control over the populace, censorship, etc. If you like that kind of society you might be happy.

Freedom loving individuals unfortunately will just have to get used to it and by God's grace find ways to be happy, positive and fulfilled despite our circumstances. This is the best we can hope for. I'm determined to make the most of a dire situation.

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Found this:

The International Air Transport Association (IATA), a group of 297 airlines including Qantas, is calling for systematic COVID-19 testing of all international travellers.

To help support this, it announced on Tuesday morning that it was in the final development phase of a new vaccine passport app.

This will record if someone has been vaccinated, and share the information with airlines and immigration authorities.

It's due to be piloted later this year, ahead of a launch early in 2021.

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Well for those who say I will never visit Australia if it bans travellers without covid vaccination cause it is discrimination. So does this you think it is OK for Japan to let travelers without covid vaccination to enter the country?

8 ( +11 / -3 )

A company does not have any legal right, I believe, to ask for a vaccine proof if not legally required by the authorities.

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yoshisan88Today  06:54 pm JST

Well for those who say I will never visit Australia if it bans travellers without covid vaccination cause it is discrimination. So does this you think it is OK for Japan to let travelers without covid vaccination to enter the country?

Yes, as mandatory or quasi-mandatory (as this treatment amounts to) vaccination is simply not necessary for this virus.

-7 ( +3 / -10 )

Mandatory vaccinations with exclusion from essential activities and denial of the human right of bodily autonomy...

No-one is talking about mandatory vaccinations. No-one is talking about the denial of the human right of bodily autonomy. That is just something in your own head.

... is just the beginning of the soon coming so called 'Great Reset' about to be fully implemented by our elite overlords.

Ah, the 'Great Reset'. The master plan allegedly drawn up by world leaders (unspecified) to take advantage of the pandemic in order to take control of the world economy. Right-wing apocalyptic conspiracy theory crapola to go with all the other right-wing apocalyptic conspiracy theory crapola.

I'm determined to make the most of a dire situation.

Then seriously, you should start "thinking for yourself " (isn't that what you people say?) and stop believing in this kind of nonsense.

https://www.bbc.com/news/55017002

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Ah, the 'Great Reset'. The master plan allegedly drawn up by world leaders (unspecified) to take advantage of the pandemic in order to take control of the world economy. Right-wing apocalyptic conspiracy theory crapola to go with all the other right-wing apocalyptic conspiracy theory crapola.

Have you actually visited the WEF's Great Reset website and watched their airy-fairy videos? Justin Trudeau's one that was released the other day bragging of using the covid pandemic to at least try and make it a reality? Do keep up.

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if I fly to Australia on JAL or ANA, and they don't require a "health passport," what happens to me at Sydney airport? Will immigration -- which has no connection to Qantas -- let me in? The policy should be a government-mandated one, not an airline policy.

There will be a mandatory two week quarantine at a place of the governments choosing and which the traveler pays for at a pre determined rate. For nations with little or no covid they will be able to enter and leave unrestricted (as NZ citizens are now). Nations will know which side they fall on and nations with heavy covid will not be allowed in period unless the traveler is vaccinated and certified clear of covid.

Once vaccines are in use and and available, determinations will be made based on gathered data and trends on covid. This remains a fluid situation and responses will change as needed. Nobody can be certain where we will all be in three months or in six months but requirements will change. They will be to ensure safety and when no longer needed they will be rescinded.

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yoshisan88Today  06:54 pm JST

Well for those who say I will never visit Australia if it bans travellers without covid vaccination cause it is discrimination. So does this you think it is OK for Japan to let travelers without covid vaccination to enter the country?

Yes, as mandatory or quasi-mandatory (as this treatment amounts to) vaccination is simply not necessary for this virus.

Although I do not share your view but glad to know that you are not a hypocrite.

I don't know, but what the Australiens are doing during this pandemic is completely over the limit.

I guess that the crazy Australien Government will also require, that everyone who enters Australia needs a vaccine!

Monty. So you think it is OK for the Japanese government to let traveller without vaccination to enter Japan?

10 ( +11 / -1 )

Some countries already require visitors certain vaccinations in order to obtain a visa

Finally someone mentioned this. When the covid vaccinations are widely available. It is highly likely that many countries will list it as an entry requirement. It is the reality whether you like it or not.

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If anyone here here under the illusion this will end with Qantas and we won't need proof of vaccination to travel, go to the theater, any sporting event, enter a restaurant etc is quite naive. And just marvel at the posters here who cheered on certain politicians who are putting this new normal into place now suddenly sit up and realize what they're in for.

Listen very carefully and you can hear the sound of brand new conservatives being born!

-8 ( +7 / -15 )

Big Yen

No-one is talking about mandatory vaccinations. No-one is talking about the denial of the human right of bodily autonomy. That is just something in your own head.

Aussie PM Scott Morrison has brought it up: 

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/scott-morrison-says-a-coronavirus-vaccine-would-be-as-mandatory-as-you-can-possibly-make-it

For a start, UK health secretary, Matt Hancock, said the government was “looking very seriously” at making vaccinations compulsory...

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/24/boris-johnson-says-anti-vaxxers-are-nuts-free-winter-flu-jabs

It's coming for sure.

Ah, the 'Great Reset'. The master plan allegedly drawn up by world leaders (unspecified) to take advantage of the pandemic in order to take control of the world economy. Right-wing apocalyptic conspiracy theory crapola to go with all the other right-wing apocalyptic conspiracy theory crapola.

The Great Reset as a response to Covid is is not a conspiracy theory. It's being openly talked about and promoted by the World Economic Forum which hosts an annual meeting at the end of January in Davos attended by world leaders. 

Please see their own video below.

https://youtu.be/VHRkkeecg7c

Then seriously, you should start "thinking for yourself " 

That's why I said "I'm determined to make the most of a dire situation."

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It's almost certain that countries will soon require this as a condition of entry, and as such if Qantas was servicing a route to such a country, they would be obliged to comply and enforce this.

I highly doubt a carrier will willingly allow a person to board who doesn't have the rights to enter the destination country and as a result, a lot of the dissenting noise, is just that.... pointless noise.

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Some countries already require visitors certain vaccinations in order to obtain a visa

Good, rational point, but our resident conspiracy theorists, rightist podcast watchers and trash tabloid readers are already in a tizzy and in rude voice from the hymn sheet.

That said, you could say forcing citizens in their own country to take a vaccine is another argument. My take is they shouldn’t, but I’m sure our believers in individual liberty would extend this to accepting that private businesses can make their own decisions regarding who to serve.

The issue I’m interested in is how companies are going to approach this with regards to vaccines for staff.

7 ( +8 / -1 )

Qantas is obligated, under Australian law, to provide a safe working environment for it's staff (like every other workplace). Vaccinated / immune / CoViD-free clients might be considered a sensible move when you are trapped in close proximity for 12 or 16 hours.

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Qantas is obligated, under Australian law, to provide a safe working environment for it's staff (like every other workplace). Vaccinated / immune / CoViD-free clients might be considered a sensible move when you are trapped in close proximity for 12 or 16 hours.

I don’t know about Australian law in this situation, but the silence from our valiant ‘free-thinkers’ defending liberty regarding the idea of a private company doing as it chooses is interesting.

7 ( +7 / -0 )

Congratulations, you've written today's winning word salad! Now, demonstrate how these people are wrong and you're right.

But you wrote

But no, it's a conspiracy theory! It's amazing that so many people who would consider themselves critical thinkers completely miss this stuff.

Please demonstrate how these people are wrong and you're right.

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Where will this lead to? That every potential flyer be vaccinated against every single communicable disease? Probably.

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Will Australian and other governments require the recently talked about 'health passport' as a condition of entry?

"You can't enter our country unless you prove you have had every required vaccination. You can't enter our country unless if you have any sort of communicable disease such as hepatitis, HIV/AIDS, etc.

I wonder how the public will react?

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

People rushing to embrace this ‘new’ vaccine should understand what mRNA does to the cells in the body.

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Where will this lead to? That every potential flyer be vaccinated against every single communicable disease? Probably.

You can't enter our country unless if you have any sort of communicable disease such as hepatitis, HIV/AIDS, etc. I wonder how the public will react?

Seriously, Concerned Citizen, for your own peace of mind, you need to calm down a little.

There is no such thing yet as an HIV vaccine.

Hepatitis is a highly communicable serious disease which can have major health ramifications. I had Hepatitis A when I was 17-18, the result of living in a crowded migrant hostel ripped through by an epidemic of it. I was sick for six months, missed half of my senior year in high school, and spent a month in an infectious diseases hospital. I couldn't eat anything but stewed apple for weeks, my weight went down to about 50 kg (I'm 189 cm tall). Hepatitis B and C are even worse, but all of them can kill you. You don't want to get Hepatitis.

As other posters have pointed out, there have always been requirements to get vaccinations when travelling. Some parts of the world are dangerous without them. I had a Yellow Fever shot when I first went overseas, to Thailand. I'm still here.

All we're talking about here for Qantas and Australia is a Covid-19 vaccination. You've made your concerns clear, but it's also clear that the majority of the population worldwide will get whatever vaccinations are required, if the payoff is that they can travel again. That's my opinion, anyway.

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

According to the SMH,the IATA's CEO said the copying of Qantas' stance was a "bit premature." The only people supporting it are not going to Australia anyway lol.I'm saying.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

A lot of countries have certain health requirements to be issued with a visa, more than likely being vaccinated against a serious disease like Covid will be a visa requirement.

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Not that I planned to go to Autralia any time soon anyway, so... but if other airlines will follow suit - I guess, I won't fly then, I would have one flight a year but sure, I will then go everywhere by land and by sea.

Mortality rate is much less than influenza, yet no one does much when there's flu epidemic, yet here this virus stopped the world from turning.

If they force vaccination on travelers in such a manner - sure, I bet they'll see traveler numbers rise and profits soar as soon as they implement such a policy (said i, sarcastically).

If any kind of vaccination ever becomes a prerequisite to obtaining a visa - screw that as well. It's an unheard of precedent to require any immunizations to be able to get a visa. (There are also instances of when there's nothing at all required from a person to get a visa and even a citizenship, not even documents, like when we talk about EU opening and accepting migrants no questions-asked.)

Anyways, vaccinating people against their will is unlikely to happen, but if someone is denied a job, a visa or anything else, really, because they don't to get a vaccine of their own free will and informed decision, then I'm afraid, it'll be "sanctions against people who refused vaccine of their own free will" and thus, still force them to receive it, even if it's against their own decision and wishes. Perhaps then, Nuremberg trials will have to be remembered and involved heavily into that discussion. Do you know what these trials were, why they were held, and what was done? (Assuming most people reading stuff here were born in this century... idk if it's stil taught in schools, or, still taught in schools outside of Europe where it happened, or... well, don't take it personally, i bet there are people who don't know what those trials are.)

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I guess that the crazy Australien Government will also require, that everyone who enters Australia needs a vaccine!

> > yoshisan88:

Monty. So you think it is OK for the Japanese government to let traveller without vaccination to enter Japan?

@yoshisan88

idk if you're for real or just a T under the bridge, but he already sayd "YES" which you have quoted yourself in first half of the answer which i'm currently quoting.

i would also say i agree with Monty on this. Japan has already shown its unappealing honne when banned foreign legal residents from re-entry for 5 months unless someone died (and in some cases, longer that that, and in some cases, a woman was denied to visit her recently passed away father's grave because "she already missed the funeral, why would she need to go?" insert facepalm emoji here). I thought better of Japan prior to this despite many other things showing themselves out here and there.

And pardon me for being rude (if you can't handle rudeness - please, don't read any further):

for those, cowering in fear from words "corona", "virus", maybe some even at "foreigner" - well, there will always be some sicknesses, diseases and such that you can catch no matter what, and there will always be people out there, different from you, and if you can't handle it and need some sort of saviour to keep your ar$e safe (i.e., the government), then perhaps, it'd be better to never go into public and instead just hide away safely in your own space, in your own lair, or a cave, akin to a cockroach, which will survive even the nuclear war, or so they speculate. Or, accept the world for what it is, because you're not even safe in your own "safe space" - in Japan, more so, because of earthquakes and other natural disasters, but outside of that, you can't be guaranteed you won't have a heart problem or some other medical thing which might take your life. A shelf might fall on you. A closet might too. Just know that our bodies are all mortal here on Earth, no matter what you do or what you say, everyone will eventually move on.

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hey will lose business. Provide testing instead.

@zichi absolutely. testing should be provided free of charge in airports by governments or, perhaps, by airline companies. we're already paying for a ton of unnecessary ........ when traveling, then these rapid tests that you can fool with apple juice are coming for about 5 bucks each. provide testing with those - and try for "7 out of 10 tests negative" as a good result.

but seriously, in Japan, they do normal pcr tests for incoming travelers (unfortunately, non-Japanese travelers have to have a pcr test result prior to coming and then have another one upon arrival.... so, testing twice for non-Japanese, once for the Japanese). and it only takes about 3 hours to get a result. i think it's a wonderful thing to keep people safer. if someone ever would think that introducing a mandatory vaccine from morona virus as a travel requirement is a good idea, i concur and say that if not refusing this idea completely,there must be a valid choice as a compromise- i.e., if not vaccinated, get tested. some people would choose the vaccine to avoid extra waiting times. SOME PEOPLE WHO CAN'T RECEIVE A VACCINE BECAUSE THEY ARE ALLERGIC TO ONE OF ITS INGREDIENTS OR BECAUSE OF OTHER MEDICAL REASONS or due to their informed decisions, would be able to still receive testing and enter airplanes (lol) and countries without vaccination, but with testing.

if there's mandatory vaccine from this low-mortality-low-danger-high-panic virus to enter a country, some people won't be able to travel anymore because of their allergies, medical conditions or other reasons. that's a loss-loss situation. having a minimum of two choices, being no-vaccine getting tested, or getting vaccine, would be more of a win-win. i mean, c'mon, this is not ebola, this is not even influenza. this is fear mongering more than anything at this point.

governments worldwide treat us, people, as if we were developmentally challenged babies.

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If they force vaccination on travelers in such a manner

They're not forcing anything. They're telling you that you have the freedom to choose whether or not to get vaccinated, it's entirely of your own behest to either do so or not, but if you choose to not, they will choose to not let you on their airplanes.

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And they would find that the vaccine in general protected one subgroup of people from the terrible effect the natural infection produced in their immunity, except for one lot that could not do it as required because it contained impurities from the virus, but still was much better than getting the infection which was the real cause of the problems. If anything the autoimmune narcolepsy because of the nuclear protein of the influenza virus proves that vaccinating is much better than not doing it, even with unrecognized risks being possible.

And they would find that the vaccine in general protected one subgroup of people from the terrible effect the natural infection produced in their immunity, except for one lot that could not do it as required because it contained impurities from the virus, but still was much better than getting the infection which was the real cause of the problems. If anything the autoimmune narcolepsy because of the nuclear protein of the influenza virus proves that vaccinating is much better than not doing it, even with unrecognized risks being possible.

@virusrex oh wow, you sound quite heartless. i'd love to see what you'd have to say if that happened to your perfectly normal child, whom you'd have to from then on, to raise with said child suffering from permanent disability, watch that previously healthy child struggle everyday, watch their personality change, etc.

but yeah, "just" narcolepsy. and swine vaccine flu disaster is not linked to some contaminated lot. some current vaccines in various trial stages also produce just, quote: "a rare but serious spinal inflammatory disorder called transverse myelitis". so what if you, virusrex, might get it, it's still worth it because others might not.

go to wiki and find "1976 swine flu outbreak".

"In 1976, an outbreak of the swine flu, influenza A virus subtype H1N1 at Fort Dix, New Jersey caused one death, hospitalized 13, and led to a mass immunization program. After the program began, the vaccine was associated with an increase in reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome, which can cause paralysis, respiratory arrest, and death. .......... Richard Krause, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases from 1975 to 1984, writes that the government response to the swine flu outbreak was considered to be too fast" but you'd probably still think it was totally worth it.

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yoshisan88Nov. 24  06:54 pm JST

Well for those who say I will never visit Australia if it bans travellers without covid vaccination cause it is discrimination. So does this you think it is OK for Japan to let travelers without covid vaccination to enter the country?

yes.

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