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Quebec lawmakers pass law obliging citizens to uncover faces

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Outrageous.

The government has no place telling women what they can and can not wear.

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Putting aside the debate about whether people should be free to wear what they want in public, a move like this is just common sense when it comes to government services.

I used to work in a government office where we required people to show photo id before disclosing private information. One day a woman came in wearing a full face veil with just her eyes peeking through. Like everyone I asked her for photo ID, which she provided. When I looked at the ID, it was an image of a person completely covered in a black veil but this time the eyes were too small to be seen clearly due to the size and resolution of the photo. In the end I accepted it since it was such a rare occurrence, but I obviously didn't do my job properly. Was it truly the same person? I hope so, but it was genuinely impossible for me to tell.

Until the government rolls out biometric and retina scanners, the face and photo is the cheapest and easiest way to verify identity. It's a practical necessity. And even if we were to introduce new methods like the retina scan, what is to stops a religious group from objecting to women showing their eyes in public?

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BB: this law is not gender specific, it has nothing to do with restricting women. It applies to all people equally. Nobody is being told what they can or can't wear. Just how to behave if they want to receive government services, which are provided to all people regardless of gender or culture. All are treated equally, no special privileges for anyone.

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The government has no place telling women what they can and can not wear.

But religions do?

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Pretty ballsy move by Mr Couillard.

Agree with others. Unfortunately common sense is fast becoming irrelevant in today's world.

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Booked the flight to Quebec on Saturday. I will be going around the capital making citizen arrests for anybody I find wearing Halloween masks in public, including children! Before Halloween, ice hockey players will be arrested. No tollerance!

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Nobody should be cowering their faces in public. If Muslims feel unhappy and or victimised by it then they should vote with their feet. Pretty much everyone is sick of hearing about their sensibilities.

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Covering. Damn this smartphone

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 If Muslims feel unhappy and or victimised by it then they should vote with their feet.

Sorry, but the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the right to religious freedom and expression.

In Canada Sikh police officers are not required to wear caps, Sikh motorcyclists are not required to wear helmets and some children are even permitted to carry daggers to school, provided they are religious.

So why are these Muslim women being singled out?

Islamaphobia has no place in Canada and hopefully the Supreme Court will soon nullify this draconian law of forcing women to undress in public.

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Up until today I thought the only people with a problem with Sikh's are moronic North Americans who mistake them for Muslims when going on an AK rampage....

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This topic is a weird one for me. I do believe in religious freedoms, but I think that there are many social reasons in which it should be expected and maybe even required to show ones face. The covering of ones face is a norm in some middle-eastern countries, but it is not a norm in Canada, and while religious freedoms are important, so is the need to integrate to some degree into the society in which one lives. That doesn't mean they should be made to never cover their faces, or even encouraged to never do so, but rather, when living in a country where covering one's face is not the norm, one needs to be flexible enough with their beliefs and actions to adapt to the standards in the country in which they reside.

So why are these Muslim women being singled out?

I don't think they are. Men are not allowed to cover their faces either, and neither are Christians nor other religions. It happens that Muslim women are more likely to have their faces covered than men, or women of other religions, and therefore will for the most part be the ones who get caught up by this legislation, but there isn't any singling out going on.

Islamaphobia has no place in Canada

This I would agree with.

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Look at Austria, with their current, a ban because 150 out of 8.9 mill carry.

Flu masks, scarves, etc. Wear a Halloween mask or similar in the street and get find upto 150Euro

Exceptions can be made for medical reasons can be made, Motorbike Helmets are find.

Most violators so far are tourists plus 2 workers from McShsrk whocarries a sharksuit , minus head now.

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In the winter in Quebec it's not uncommon to see people with toques down to their eyebrows and turtlenecks or collars up to their nose.

But that's never been a problem before.

Even a guy with a cap and sunglasses is not identifiable, but again, that's never sparked the ire of the conservative Quebec government.

This is veiled racism.

The law is aimed and intended for a minority group.

Muslim women will have no choice but to disregard the law or just stay at home indefinitely.

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so is the need to integrate to some degree into the society in which one lives

Canada is a multi-cultural society, which means that different ethnicities and cultures should coexist and respect each other.

Nobody is forcing you to wear a veil, why do you have a problem if somebody chooses to wear one.

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As a Canadian who has been to Japan, I'd like to point out that a lot of the people riding transit in Tokyo today would be violating this law if they were riding transit in Montreal instead. Yes, if you're in the practice of wearing that mask to keep out dust and germs, you'd better avoid traveling to Quebec until the courts have (again) quashed these Trump wannabes.

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Canada is a multi-cultural society, which means that different ethnicities and cultures should coexist and respect each other.

I agree, which means muslims respecting that Canada is not a country in which face covering is a common practice, and therefore they need to respect the fact that they will need to sometimes remove their face covering.

If people were saying they can never wear face coverings, that would be discriminatory. If there are valid reasons for asking them to remove the covering however, for security reasons, or for driver's license photos, or for identification of one's face based on their driver's license photo etc, then part of respecting other cultures means sometimes sacrificing your own beliefs for the good of the greater community.

Nobody is forcing you to wear a veil, why do you have a problem if somebody chooses to wear one.

I don't have a problem with it. On the contrary, I'm the first to press for tolerance and religious freedoms. But that has to be balanced with the requirements of society. Absolutes and extremism are never good things.

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