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Rare in U.S. for an active shooter to be stopped by bystander

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By ED WHITE

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From 2000 to 2021, fewer than 3% of 433 active attacks in the U.S. ended with a civilian firing back

Fewer than 3%.

“If everyone's carrying a firearm, the risk that something bad happens just gets much larger.”

Some common sense, which will ignored or more likely attacked by the nra and those who like guns.

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 From 2000 to 2021, fewer than 3% of 433 active attacks in the U.S. ended with a civilian firing back

The stupid thesis of the "good guy with guns" by silly medieval gun lovers is destroyed with this statistical data..

No country that considers itself developed and modern can live as if it were 250 years earlier..

Third world problems..

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Of course THIS would be the liberal media story narrative- not the heroic actions of the person who saved people’s lives.

you can tell the media is mad that this Good Samaritan even happened. Tell the people whose lives were saved in the 3% of times that their lives weren’t worth saving and this is “rare” so who cares? They might think differently.

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A bystander's decision to shoot a man who opened fire at an Indiana mall was a rare occurrence of someone stepping in to try to prevent multiple casualties before police could arrive.

It was too obvious where this … news report … was going from that first paragraph.

”… a rare occurrence…” It sounds like Ed White was a bit disappointed at the manner in which the incident ended. Even greater rarity could have been maintained if the “good guy with a gun” hadn’t acted. So what if another 10 people were killed, eh?

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you can tell the media is mad that this Good Samaritan even happened. 

No. I don’t think so.

I think the people are mad that this is being hijacked by gun lovers as a dangerous rationale for more guns when all data and sense clearly contradicts that ‘logic’.

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Of course THIS would be the liberal media story narrative- not the heroic actions of the person who saved people’s lives.

So go back to your favorite far-right echo chamber of Fox and Russia Today....believe me, your posts aren't convincing anyone here...

you can tell the media is mad that this Good Samaritan even happened.

That's just their opinion, which you said yesterday "can't be wrong"....LOL...

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No it’s not an “opinion” article- it’s preserved as “the news”.

nice try (not really).

lots or heroic things are “rare” yet only this type is presented as not a big deal. Wonder why.

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Cause bystanders are more likely to be inaccurate and cause more unnecessary damage.

Firing before the police arrive would also cause problems for the police trying to identify who is the 'bad guy' and needing to cascade that additional information to everyone.

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Cause bystanders are more likely to be inaccurate and cause more unnecessary damage.

Depends.

Firing before the police arrive would also cause problems for the police trying to identify who is the 'bad guy' and needing to cascade that additional information to everyone.

True.

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This article takes great pains to narrow down the focus, and therefore make defensive firearm use look rare. Just looking at mass shootings, just looking at defensive shooting by victims, of course the number is low.

But...

If you look at overall crime and defensive firearm use, the story is different. First, actually shooting a criminal is only one part of using a gun for defense. Estimates range up to 2 million crimes per year prevented or stopped by firearms. So this article is cherry picking at its lowest level.

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Nope.

there is no mistake. This was a heroic effort that the liberal media is frantically trying to show is not really a big deal. Cause politics and muh gun controlz. They mad.

its a yuuuuuuge deal and the 2nd one in 2 days.

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he got lucky this time....next time the Police appearing on scene could mistake him for the bad-guy-with-a-gun and shoot him instead. If the Good-guy is also a black guy...good luck with that.....

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Nope. there is no mistake.

So then explain to us what "preserved as the news" means...

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Seems that about once a month a shooter is stopped by a bystander with a permit to have a firearm. But walking around most of the US, you don't see anyone except cops with firearms 99% of the time, unless you go to places where firearms are common - like shooting ranges, hunting areas, places where guns are being sold (most sporting goods stores really don't sell that many guns, so you're unlikely to see anyone there with a firearm) or "da hood". I walk about 2 hrs every day near the former NRA President's home, Carolyn Meadows. We are neighbors and vote in the same precinct - and I've never seen anyone with a firearm walking around. I walk passed her home a few times every week, it is that close.

The current NRA President lives in Friendswood, Texas, which is where probably 50% of NASA employees and contractors at the Johnson Space Center live. Friendswood has been on CNN's "Best Places to Live" in America list, twice. It is a nice, suburban community with great schools and really smart people.

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Folks who want to cause maximum damage will shoot up places where they know that people are not carrying, like schools, places of worship and other no firearm zones.

That is why it’s rare for an active shooter to be stopped in his tracks by a law abiding armed citizen.

If all law abiding citizens are encouraged to tool up and all sitting duck zones are turned into places where firearms are legally allowed, such cases of armed citizens stopping folks with malicious intent will go up.

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The article is so misleading. "Shooting an active shooter" is rare. However, stopping a home invasion, a woman preventing an assault, trespassers being scared off, carjackers being 'discouraged', all happen numerous times a day and are not reported on the news. Those cases also don't show up in crime stats because the crime did not happen. Yet they are all valid uses of guns for personal defence.

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So then explain to us what "preserved as the news" means...

"preserved" as in maintained as part of a record.

THATS what you are all concerned about, not the actual heroic effort?

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So then explain to us what "preserved as the news" means...

"preserved" as in maintained as part of a record.

That's hilarious....you typed "preserved" instead of "presented" and can't even admit your mistake...

THATS what you are all concerned about, not the actual heroic effort?

Two days in a row you were wrong and dodged instead of just admitting it...

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When they all start firing no one will be left standing.

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What is not rare are the daily mass shootings. 199 days since Jan 1. More than 300 mass shootings so far in 2022. Shameful.

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How long before a car backfires and everyone pulls out their guns and shoots each other dead? God bless America!

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The article is so misleading. "Shooting an active shooter" is rare. However, stopping a home invasion, a woman preventing an assault, trespassers being scared off, carjackers being 'discouraged', all happen numerous times a day and are not reported on the news. Those cases also don't show up in crime stats because the crime did not happen. Yet they are all valid uses of guns for personal defence.

So instead of the ‘good guy with a gun’ fantasy which is actually less than 3% of the time, let’s talk about how a ‘good guy with a gun’ stopped a crime that in your words ‘did not happen’ but ‘happen numerous times a day’ despite not being ‘reported on the news’

Sounds like you’re swapping one fantasy for another.

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How long before a car backfires and everyone pulls out their guns and shoots each other dead? God bless America!

Hardly, but if the Dems think that this issue will help them in the fall they are just beyond hope and a prayer.

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However, stopping a home invasion, a woman preventing an assault, trespassers being scared off, carjackers being 'discouraged', all happen numerous times a day and are not reported on the news. Those cases also don't show up in crime stats because the crime did not happen. Yet they are all valid uses of guns for personal defence.

Then they don’t need a real gun, use a replica. If it is stolen, used in a suicide, found by a child, all incidents which DO happen numerous times a day, nobody will be killed.

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