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© 2020 AFPRate of fatal U.S. police shootings of unarmed Black people '3 times higher than for whites'
By Angela Weiss WASHINGTON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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Blacklabel
Doesnt match the headline. Also totally ignores the looting and rioting going on in Philadelphia right now.
Ego Sum Lux Mundi
In the suburbs of North Minnesota (which have a large home-owning black middle class) they are now crying out for more police and law and order. Seems the "no police" experiment has just led to surging crime and anarchy!
Sneezy
It does, if you keep reading.
Do you understand?
That's because it's not a story about Philadelphia. Protests against police brutality and murder are the result of police action, not the cause of them.
There has been no "no police" experiment.
Hello Kitty 321
@blacklabel
If you bothered to read the rest of the article you would see that "Given the makeup of the U.S. population, the researchers calculated that Native Americans were three times more likely to be shot dead than white people, while Black people were more than 2.5 times, and Hispanic people 29 percent more likely."
Furthermore: "also relative to population size -- Black people were 3.18 times more likely to be fatally shot than white people, while the rate was 1.45 times higher for Hispanic people."
Blacklabel
Oh so now you want to change it to the "make up of the population"?
where is the data about the number of police interactions by make up of the population?
isnt this also called per capita, which liberals refuse to accept as valid when the topic is corona cases/deaths?
Hmmm.....
51% of people shot to death by police are WHITE. narrative- done.
Blacklabel
yeah I noticed none of the liberals mentioned they gathered this data from.....newspaper reports.
Hilarious that anyone would even try to take this seriously.
socrateos
It just confirms what many people who live in US always felt.
Cogito Ergo Sum
@ Black
No. The first paragraph says (3 times higher) "....relative to their population "
Blacklabel
so its no worse under Trump than it was under Obama/Biden? This article is just a wealth of narrative killing information.
Sneezy
It's not a change at all. It's how the statistics were measured. The article makes this clear. It's how the likelihood of being shot by police relative to one's race has always been calculated.
I expect it will similarly show that black people are disproportionally stopped by police.
I don't know what liberals are up to, but coronavirus deaths and infections are also often measured per capita. That's how we can tell that the US has failed in its ability to contain the virus.
White people make up 77% of the US population, so they are shot to death by police 26% less than would be expected if the police shootings were equal.
It's literally in the article. I know you hate reading, but it really will help you.
EvilBuddha
"The only time a black man is safe in this country is when the white man is disarmed"
Major Marquis WarrenSneezy
That's right.
Is it? You seem to be citing it as positive evidence that things are no worse under Trump in this regard (which is true), but also think that it's illegitimate. Which is it?
cleo
It points to the conclusion that racial tension in the US is endemic, and not tied to political affiliation.
That comes to 101%, so presumably there are some decimal points hiding in those figures.
Sad that in the great 'melting pot', after all this time people are still so easily and readily categorised into perceived race. Aren't they all just Americans?
Blacklabel
a little of both. manipulates stats to push a narrative in a headline.
Then buries in the article that the data source is only "news reports" and that there is little to no change over the last 5 years.
Strange, then there would be an article with this same headline in 2015, right? Dont remember hearing about it then, wonder why.
Sneezy
No statistics have been manipulated.
It's on the fourth paragraph. That's not "buried", unless you're someone who hates to read and whose brain gets sore after three lines of text.
This is a new study, so it would be impossible to report on it in 2015. I wish that my post where I explained to you how time works had not been moderated, because it would stop you making mistakes like this.
However, many were vocal in 2014 when Michael Brown was murdered and cited similar statistics. You being unable to remember it is, alas, your own problem.
Blacklabel
Oh yeah the "hands up dont shoot" hoax. thanks for the reminder.
Blacklabel
thats not how it works, at all. But believe what you want. just like you believe this article says something it doesnt because of the misleading headline.
51% of people shot by police were white. fact.
as 51% is already more than half, no way any other group can be more than that.
Alex
This is the endemic standard, black people and minorities in the USA will always be shot first and asked questions later, just ask Kyle Rittenhouse.....
Strangerland
The right-wing cancel culture hates articles like this and want them silenced.
Blacklabel
the population group of the USA is irrelevant.
unlike COVID, the entire population can not have this happen to them, it requires a police interaction. automatic exclusion from the numbers.
No data on people who dont have police interactions by race so that they can be excluded from the data.
No data on police interactions by race.
No data on police interactions by race where a person was not shot dead.
So the only data set you can use is the people who have been shot and killed by police, which confirms a police interaction.
Among that group, with a confirmed police interaction and who were shot dead- 51% were white.
Blacklabel
how do you start with a data set of 5,367 fatal police shootings yet end with a data set of the entire population of the United States? do babies count too?
Blacklabel
I see 1,117 more White people dead and buried than Black people dead and buried.
look at your numbers.
Sneezy
The headline isn't misleading, which you would know if you actually read the article.
Correct.
51% is disproportionately low, compared to the 77% of the population that is white. Conversely, 27% is disproportionately high compared to the Black population being 13.4%.
bass4funk
You have more high crimes in minority communities endless resources and cops are sent to areas where the crime is the highest, that’s the bottom line of it.
Facts matter.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/VIOCRM.PDF
Democrat social policies has not help the black community at all.
Yup.
Sneezy
It isn't.
That isn't what happened. What is happening is comparing the racial make up of the entire US to the racial make up of those shot to death by police.
Babies that the police have shot would be included, one assumes.
That is why these figures are taken in context.
Let's consider the following. Imagine three US citizens contract ebola, and two of them die. They were quickly quarantined, so no-one else was infected with ebola.
Most people would say, "wow, two out of the three people who caught ebola died, this is a huge death rate". You are saying, "actually, ebola only killed two people out of the 370 million in the US, which is so statistically insignificant that we can reasonably call it 0%. That means ebola doesn't kill people".
Do you understand, now, how absurd your position is?
Sneezy
Oh my goodness you can't even follow basic thought experiments that a child wouldn't have difficulty with.
It's also really telling that - in your own (stupid) hypothetical, that you came up with yourself - you consider the deaths of white people more important than the genocide of an entire race of non-white people. Even your imagination festers with white supremacy.
Zaphod
"Relative to population size"? Talk about using fake numbers.
How about "relative to police contact"? That would be the meaningful number for a comparison. Unless you assume that everybody in the population has a run-in with the police every day.
Zaphod
Strangerland
World upside down again? The conservative side might hate articles like this, seeing how they use fake numbers, but they are not asking to silence them. The current "cancel culture" is entirely a project of the left.
Sneezy
It's actually a well-accepted and often used method of analysing how the police treats people of different races relative to their prevalence in the population. I'm sorry you don't like it because the results demonstrate widespread police racism, but the facts don't care about your feelings.
Zaphod
Sneezy
Nope, it is not. If you want to make this comparison, it has to be based on the number of contacts with the police, not just raw population numbers. Kind of sad one has to point that out.
Sneezy
It is, actually.
No, it doesn't.
You're not "pointing something out" so much as you are "making something up".