Red Cross chief urges vaccine 'fake news' fight

We need to listen to the pros like him. There's been too many lies told by crap stirring misfits who never worked an honest day in their miserable lives.

study in 67 countries that found vaccine acceptance declined significantly in most countries from July to October this year.

That trend is because more and more people understand now that the Corona Virus is not so dangerous like predicted from the media and fear mongering people.

And additional because the vaccine deniers in the world are growing, because of the high possibility of being unsafe and high side effects for a new vaccine.

Red Cross chief urges vaccine 'fake news' fight

Not surprising the usual anti-democracy forces are pushing false info.

False information surrounding vaccines has increased during the coronavirus pandemic, with Russia identified as one of the main spreaders of such content.

https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2020/11/gchq-to-tackle-anti-vaccine-disinformation-linked-to-russia/

That trend is because more and more people understand now that the Corona Virus is not so dangerous like predicted from the media and fear mongering people.

That is irrelevant, the medical professionals are the ones urging care and preventive measures as a way to counter the mistaken perception that the pandemic is "not so dangerous". The media is not saying things opposed to medical knowledge, so it is invalid to say that it is the media the one that inflates the danger.

The virus is dangerous, it can overload health systems and suddenly increase fatality rates including patients that are not infected, but cannot access life saving medical care.

As written in the article, the problem is people that repeatedly push false information to discredit a safe and effective health measure that has changed human life for the better for many decades. On one side they manipulate information trying to convince others that the pandemic is not really dangerous (in direct opposition to health care professionals) and on the other side try to inflate any kind of possible risk to make it seem as if vaccines were inevitably more risky than what they actually are (again in direct opposition to the people that actually work to preserve public health).

You can see it even here, with people posting false information that is easily rejected with actual science, they cannot refute that their information was false, but put it again in the next article as if they did not knew it was false. Ignorance can sometimes be an excuse to believe false information, but willingly misinforming people with information already known to be false is not, people do it on purpose because for them is more important to fulfill their own agendas than improve public health.

Francesco Rocca, president of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies, said in a virtual briefing to the U.N. Correspondents Association on Monday that “to beat this pandemic, we also have to defeat the parallel pandemic of distrust.”

I would start with government programs of corporate welfare like GoTo disguised as coronavirus relief.

Grossly fake and sowing distrust.

What fake news? You simply have to admit having severely problematic data about side effects and you also have to admit that you cannot have long term knowledge about the new mRNA type vaccines. Most people are not against being vaccinated but it’s very clear that they want to know a little bit about what is injected into their bodies.

@Virusrex

the medical professionals are the ones urging care and preventive measures

But it seems that more and more people stop to listen to the medical professionals.

More and more people are getting scared or unsecure of this upcoming vaccine and more and more people refuse to take it.

And this trend seems to continue, even the medical professional and scientist try to say the vaccine is safe.

I am a Pro Vaxer, so I will take that vaccine, but even the people around me are getting more and more suspicious about the upcoming vaccine.

I have discussions with friends and coworkers...the trend is everywhere the same. Going more and more to refuse the vaccine.

No 1 reason: It is a new vaccine and people are scared of side effects

No 2 reason: People say, that the Virus is not so dangerous that it makes sense to take a probably more dangerous vaccine.

And these 2 reasons are not based on data or whatever, these 2 reasons are based on what the people in the REAL life are thinking and saying.

The vaccine is safe and effective. The virus is 10-20 times as dangerous as the flu. It has killed 260k (and counting) Americans in about 10 months. Or more than 5 times the number of combat deaths in 10 years of war in Vietnam.

And those are the ones that we know about. It is likely that an additional 100k deaths were due to Covid-19 but not diagnosed.

Arguing that the virus is not dangerous and/or the vaccine is dangerous is sheer lunacy.

We need to listen to the pros like him. There's been too many lies told by crap stirring misfits who never worked an honest day in their miserable lives.

Too many nutters in basements and their various sock puppets are so unhelpful.

What fake news? You simply have to admit having severely problematic data about side effects and you also have to admit that you cannot have long term knowledge about the new mRNA type vaccines. 

What severely problematic data about side effects? there is no data published yet only testimony from some people that did not even knew if they were on the placebo group.

And phase III trials actually give a lot of information that can help predict long term knowledge about long term side effects, not only because mRNA has been used on trials for years by now, but because the natural infection has much more findings that indicate risk of long term or permanent health problems, if the thousands and thousands of volunteers have not these findings it is rational and valid to say this risk is also lower in them than in people naturally infected, which is the important thing.

The problem is not people that want to know more, health professionals want to know more (after all the full results have not even been published yet). The problem is when people are exposed to misleading information and make a judgment based on that. Many will not go and check since when mRNA has been used on people, or what is the amount of mRNA that the viral infection produces so they can compare the risks, they will simply repeat what was told to them.

But it seems that more and more people stop to listen to the medical professionals.

That does not make them wrong, only those that stop listening to valid and objective reasons.

How many people not believing in microbes should be enough to stop using antibiotics? I mean, the problem is not that the vaccine is becoming less safe, the problem is that people are too easily manipulated by people with false information and loose morals. You are not explaining why those "2 reasons" you mention for vaccine hesitancy are actually valid, you are just saying that many people are believing things that are demonstrably false, and that includes also you, that just wrote that people "understand" that the virus is not as dangerous as the medical professionals say it is.

If you have people saying things that can be demonstrated scientifically on one side, and in the other side people lying, but in a much louder voice, which side do you think is the problem? and what do you think is your contribution is by repeating the lies?

The least you can do to solve this problem is not to repeat things that are not supported by data, and specially things that can be disproved by data. If you wanted to actually help you could spend some time pointing out when you see people actually repeating something false.

The vaccine is safe and effective.

You don’t know that, no one does, it’s new and no one has a clue if there are any side effects.

Arguing that the virus is not dangerous and/or the vaccine is dangerous is sheer lunacy.

I disagree, yes the virus is dangerous from what we know, but we also know that people are becoming more and more immune to this virus and the survival rate is now at 94% as well as a recovery rate even for people over the age of 75 and now with this vaccine it’s a great thing and I think people that are in the high-risk category that have no options should take it, but if you are not in the high-risk category, I would personally wait and that’s my decision and it seems like a similar decision for thousands, but if people want to take it it’s their choice and they should.

@Virusrex

Sorry, but I think you didn't get my point.

My posts are according the article here, that says that the trend to take the vaccine is going down.

And that is absolutely correct!

I agree with your points about medical things...but you can not deny the reality.

And the reality (hopefully only temporary) is that more and more people are getting against this Vaccine.

That is the fact.

Go away for a while from your Data and all medical examinations and go out in the real world and talk to the public.

And then you can see that the article is correct!

And...also ask the people why they refuse the vaccine. And then you can see that my 2 reasons, I mentioned in my above post, are also correct.

And you can not discuss this facts down, by using medical or professional experts data.

@Virusrex

You know that I am Pro Vaxer.

So I think you understand that I don's support that "going down trend" according the vaccine.

But that is currently the reality! The trend to accept the vaccine is going down!

The vaccine is safe and effective.

You don’t know that, no one does, it’s new and no one has a clue if there are any side effects

As far as I know, all medication has side effects. It is also complete nonsense that ‘no one’ has a clue about these side effects.

No 1 reason: It is a new vaccine and people are scared of side effects

No 2 reason: People say, that the Virus is not so dangerous that it makes sense to take a probably more dangerous vaccine.

Indeed, and there is no data on the long term safety of this rushed experimental vaccine. Many health professionals are also planing to avoid or delay taking any Covid vaccine. So why does Rocca want governments and institutions to combat “fake news” about COVID-19 vaccines? Who is he to determine that it's fake news?

It isn't fake news! People should be allowed to speak freely about the potential dangers of vaccines, people are legitimately concerned. Rocca being against this suggests something that surprisingly we are not allowed to mention here.

Many health professionals are also planing to avoid or delay taking any Covid vaccine.

Which health professionals? Is it a consensus? Is there a conspiracy theory involved?

That is the fact.

Go away for a while from your Data and all medical examinations and go out in the real world and talk to the public.

And then you can see that the article is correct!

I have never said that the article is incorrect, what I am saying is that trying to imply that is the media the one that came up with the idea that the virus is dangerous, or writing that the people "understands" the virus is not something to care for is part of the problem. You can say as many times as you like that this is the reality, that does not negates in any way that this is exactly the problem. My point is that the reasons for the people to distrust vaccines are NOT correct, they are product of misleading information. What is correct is that people are wrong because of those two invalid reasons (and many more). But unless you at least try not to repeat that false information you are on the side of the problem, not the solution.

Indeed, and there is no data on the long term safety of this rushed experimental vaccine. Many health professionals are also planing to avoid or delay taking any Covid vaccine. So why does Rocca want governments and institutions to combat “fake news” about COVID-19 vaccines? Who is he to determine that it's fake news?

Of course there is data, there are lots of data about the long term safety of mRNA vaccines, and even longer for mRNA used for other purposes, and most importantly there is a lot of data that indicates COVID-19 importantly increases the risk for future problems, things that have not been reported in vaccine volunteers.

The vaccine is not rushed, it follows a schedule that is used for vaccines that are in use today without any problem on safety nor efficacy. On the other hand it is understandable that health professionals want first to see the final results of the phase III trial before being able to evaluate the vaccine. This, by the way, is something that contradict the fake news that antivaxxers love to repeat, because for them all health professionals are "in" the conspiracy and would never say anything that is not 100% supportive of vaccines. Thanks for proving those antivaxxers wrong.

Rocca is not the one that determine what is fake news, science is. If something is clearly contradicted by objective, valid scientific studies that can validly be called false, and not something that a person that consider himself honest would think of repeating after it was demonstrated to him.

Antivaxxers on the contrary will keep repeating a lie, even after knowing well it is a lie, because their purpose is not to help other people keep their health, only to manipulate them. Saying that a lie is a lie is not wrong, and if someone has been proved to willingly repeat lies then there is nothing to lose with not letting them keep doing it on private spaces.

Many health professionals are also planing to avoid or delay taking any Covid vaccine.

Which health professionals? Is it a consensus? Is there a conspiracy theory involved?

I mentioned this a few days ago.

According to a questionnaire from researchers at University of California at Los Angeles, 66 percent of Los Angeles health-care workers said they would delay taking a vaccine. Another study concluded that a third of New Jersey doctors would not take the vaccine (some would take it later).

So it's not just "nutty conspiracy theorists in their basements" that hesitate to take covid vaccines. It is not fake news. There are very legitimate concerns, and many informed people believe that the low severity of covid19 for healthy people does not at this time warrant taking a rushed experimental vaccine.

According to a questionnaire from researchers at University of California at Los Angeles, 66 percent of Los Angeles health-care workers said they would delay taking a vaccine. Another study concluded that a third of New Jersey doctors would not take the vaccine (some would take it later).

Links, please.

As far as I know, all medication has side effects.

But this is brand spanking new, so to say it’s safe is irresponsible because we don’t know yet like with other vaccines and medicines to have been thoroughly tested for a lengthy period of time and observe monitored they’re doing all that in once while rolling this out and again if people want to try it that’s your choice, many won’t.

It is also complete nonsense that ‘no one’ has a clue about these side effects.

I vehemently disagree, we don’t know and I personally wouldn’t take someone’s word because they claim it’s ok, my choice, my decision and I’m not in the high risk category so I’m not worried about it.

The vaccines have not been trialed sufficiently for me to be willing to take something UNTESTED.

Not being high risk, why would I want a cocktail of chemicals and who knows what injected into my body?

Some countries are employing “information warfare units” to convince populations using psy-op techniques that the vaccine is safe without having proof of any kind.

Why?

Virusrex - any idea on the duration of efficacy for the vaccines being tested? If they will be like our current flu vaccines, then I see another up hill battle to get folks to take it every X months to combat mutations. If it is like a Polio vaccine, then it will get quick traction once it is out, I believe.

The vaccines have not been trialed sufficiently for me to be willing to take something UNTESTED.

People that develop, test and control for the quality of vaccines have the opposite opinion, specially because they have been exhaustively tested.

Meaningless conspiracy theories without proof are the real invalid argument. For vaccines the main reason for use is that they are less risky than the natural infection. You can still choose the higher risk, but that is not a rational decision, just an emotional one.

Virusrex - any idea on the duration of efficacy for the vaccines being tested? If they will be like our current flu vaccines, then I see another up hill battle to get folks to take it every X months to combat mutations. If it is like a Polio vaccine, then it will get quick traction once it is out, I believe.

At this moment nobody really knows, but judging from the experience of previous similar diseases (SARS and MERS) it is likely the immunity will last for many years, antibodies drop quickly, but other components of the immunity like reactive lymphocytes remain active for much longer.

Flu vaccines only work for a season because the virus can easily change to other serotypes (new strains that can escape immunity produced against the previous strain). For coronaviruses this mechanism do not exist, the virus mutates constantly but it is still recognized by the immunity and neutralized, for COVID-19 there has been isolated only one serotype during this whole year, the most likely possibility is that people that are vaccinated, and those that got the infection and had symptoms will be protected for several years, for those that never noticed the infection there is still some chance the immunity can fade more quickly.

Thanks, I have looked it up but was left confused, your explanation helped.

Hopefully the multi-year model proves out!

@virusrex

Where are the animal study results?

Straight from lab to a select sampling and testing regime.

What?

Where are the results of testing on the over seventies?

Previously, I furnished a list of big pharma and their dubious vaccines and info, ( in a previous post) and in some cases governments banishing them from certain countries due to liberties being taken-you never refuted my post.

There are certainly negatives In vaccines which companies seek to avoid by limiting liability.

There is a reason for that right?

In a quarter of countries, Rocca said, the study found that the acceptance rate for a vaccine against the coronavirus was near or below 50 percent

another guy paid by WHO or RedCross worries about vaccination which is unfinished, rushed to make without exactly knowing what is for, likely to do something with human DNA. On JTV was program in which someone gave his opinion too. He asked the same question as what it suppose to do something that normally takes years to produce. Media and politicians are the one who see nothing else but vaccination. It stinks here something. No wonder there are so many theories. I know for sure that it is not something you want to have injected right now. Only healthy people were tested and how about those who have pre-existing conditions and take glorified and miraculously problem solving vaccine?

@virusrex

Where are the animal study results?

Straight from lab to a select sampling and testing regime.

False, one of the absolute requisites for phase I clinical trials is to have detailed evidence of safety and efficacy on pre-clinical trials. Pre-clinical trials is just another name for animal studies. Straight from the lab still means after the animal testing, because it is done, obviously, on laboratory animals.

Where are the results of testing on the over seventies?

That is phase III, which is just finishing and whose results are about to be published. Do you even know what the clinical phases are?

Previously, I furnished a list of big pharma and their dubious vaccines and info, ( in a previous post) and in some cases governments banishing them from certain countries due to liberties being taken-you never refuted my post.

Why would that have anything to do? if I bring examples of successful medicines and vaccines that are NOT banned, does that prove this one is absolutely safe? you need proof this vaccine has problems, not that others do.

There are certainly negatives In vaccines which companies seek to avoid by limiting liability.

That is a myth I already debunked for you. In US, Japan and every other developed nation every single lot of vaccines is tested by the government for safety and efficacy, and companies can be made responsible if their vaccines are not up to the standard that the same government puts on it. That is the opposite of having no liability. You confusion is thinking that not being sued by particulars means no repercussions, in reality it just mean they have to defend against the whole government and their vaccine testing specialized laboratories.

another guy paid by WHO or RedCross worries about vaccination which is unfinished, rushed to make without exactly knowing what is for, likely to do something with human DNA

As always unproved conspiracies about a vaccine developed on a schedule used for other vaccines that are in use today without problems, that scientists and doctors know exactly what is for and has no possibility to do anything to the human DNA (just read what mRNA is and how it works) And no, media and politicians are NOT the only ones that see vaccination as a really helpful medical intervention, all health professionals in the world also do it, mostly because rational thinking people can realize it is so.