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© Copyright 2019 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.Drug cartel gunmen kill 9 U.S. citizens, including 6 children, in ambush in Mexico
By MARK STEVENSON MEXICO CITY©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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CrazyJoe
Sad to state this but some Americans’ insatiable appetite for drugs is what keeps these monsters in business. And the innocent die.
Chip Star
Tragic.
The following are simply facts and in no way meant as an excuse for this heinous crime: The vast majority of firearms in Mexico originate in the United States. The vast majority of drugs from Mexico are consumed in the United States.
Limiting the number of firearms easily available in the United States and legalizing drugs there will go a long way in relieving the violence stemming from America's love of drugs and firearms.
SimondB
A tweet!? Nine American's slaughtered and he tweets? Not a phone call? Offers to wage a war by tweet? Americans should be ashamed of this heartless man who appears to feel zero empathy with his country men and woman who have just been brutally slaughtered. Including 8 old month twins. He tweets.
bass4funk
An absolute nightmare. What kind of sick person kills innocent babies? These are animals! My deepest condolences to the families. It is now apparent the Mexican government are powerless to do anything for fear of reprisals and their own lives. If the Mexican government doesn’t go after these criminals and the President offered assistance to help them or Trump needs to designate the Cartel as a terrorist organization and that would change the dynamic as to how to engage or what resources they need to use against them, but this should never go unpunished.
theFu
Nobody knows how to fight the cartels. They don't play by any rules. Extortion, kidnapping, and violence against anyone, anywhere, is their MO.
JJ Jetplane
@Crazyjoe
America isn't their only market. The Sinaloa cartel is also the largest drug provider to most of Europe. The reach of that Cartel is large. The recent surge in violence is because the once united groups are now fighting for power because of the absence of Joaquin Guzman (El Chapo). In a way, chasing and capturing El Chapo has made the situation in Mexico a lot more dangerous.
bass4funk
But as an American, I’m allowed to be outraged my countrymen were needlessly slaughtered.
Again, all the more reason for Trump to designate the Cartel as a terrorist organization, that completely changes the dynamic as to how to engage these monsters.
garymalmgren
"There's apparently a war right now," a relative of the dead who did not want his name used for fear of reprisals said wearily. "It's been going on for too long."
Apparently, it would seem so.
FizzBit
Please refrain from bringing up inconvenient facts while we’re trying to take easy pot shots at America and Americans this morning.
bass4funk
I vehemently reject that and I know my history and I also know how the war was waged with these countries, but this is year 2019 and there are many, many ways to target the cartels. Again, designate them as a terrorist organization and that will definitely change the dynamic as to how to engage these people.
Not officially
I do think they should legalize drugs to a certain point, but that’s not and will not cure the cancer the Cartels are.
In Texas we do things very differently.
daito_hak
Those poor and completely innocent children. Life lost without any meaning. What a world of savages.....
Dom Palmer
Someone watches to many movies. Shooting a gas tank does not cause it to explode.
But Mexico already has a war with the cartels. Refusing to acknowledge it or fight back will doom Mexico to increasing horrors and a decline of the rule of law and the power of it's government.
CS
Close the borders COMPLETELY
Nothing IN, Nothing OUT
Stop all REMITTANCE to MEXICO and SOUTH AMERICA.
Enforce E Verify
Fine Companies who employee ILLEGALS
NO WELFARE for ILLEGALS, they will return on their own......
Let them SOLVE the PROBLEMS in MEXICO and SOUTH AMERICA or be destroyed by the Crime and Violence.....
Done.
bass4funk
Well said. Completely and totally agreed.
CrazyJoe
So Trump is offering military intervention into another country's crime problem? What did Trump do after 58 people were killed and 851 injured by the Las Vegas shooter? Did he offer anything to stop the killings here? What has he done to stop the "carnage" he talked about in his inaugural speech? What a loser.
bass4funk
Wait....uh....who’s side are you on? Personally, I think Mexico should get a heads up, when you start indiscriminately killing babies for the sheer pleasure (and I’m not buying that BS it was probably a mistaken identity. These people knew what they were doing) of it, these monsters don’t need a reason. Anyone that knows anything about the Cartel is, they have no code of honor, ethics or remorse when they butcher people, none whatsoever. People like them need to be put down, locked up for life either way we need to make sure all American citizens are protected.
What? Getting in the weeds again?
I hope this wakes up the socialists that want open borders realize that we need strong border security, if anyone is loser on this issue are the Democrats. They don’t take the Cartels seriously and they don’t take border security seriously or crime for that matter.
William77
I totally agree with you.
elephant200
Now Donald Trump has better reasons to expel Hispanic illegal immigrants from US! He has been looking for a pretext very long time!
Seth M
"Nobody knows how to fight the cartels"
Send some Chinese PLA or Russian Spetznaz over there, I assure you the problem would be solved in a month.
Loki520
Because the "War on drugs" is profitable and allows them to concentrate authority and power.
TorafusuTorasan
Task Utah Senator Mitt Romney with leading how this is handled. He has more credibility as someone who was born in one of the northern Mexico Mormon enclaves, which were set up to get away from US fed and state police raids in the first place.
theFu
Romney wasn't born in Mexico. He was born in Michigan. Why attempt to lie about that?
TorafusuTorasan
@theFu--oops, honest mistake. It was his father George, later governor of Michigan, who was born in one of the Mexican expat enclaves, according to Smithsonian.com etc. Yes, Mitt is American-born and says he doesn't know any of the people involved in this shooting. I still think he would be better diplomatically to deal with this.
Ricky Kaminski13
As we all bare responsibility for waste and pollution. Those sticking stuff up their nose, popping molly on the weekend and yelling anti government slogans when it suits, remember the blood is also on your hands. Make a stand against that woke ones. This tragedy is one shared by many.
Actually no, lets just make it about trump again. Sorted.
Madden
People just can't refrain from using illegal drugs. Complain that they should be legal or whatever, but if you're a user, there's a very high chance that someone was killed so that you could consume from that specific batch. But hey, who cares about those poor folk, as long as we can get high, right?
stormcrow
In recent months, about 100 people are murdered (mainly because of the drug cartels) everyday in Mexico. That's 1,000 people every 10 days, 30,000 people per month. 90,000 people every 3 months . . . Is that right?! If that's true, then it would put Mexico right up there with Syria as being one of the most dangerous areas of the planet.
nandakandamanda
Madden: But hey, who cares about those poor folk, as long as we can get high, right?
That is probably what the shooters were thinking too, if anything.
We need to send in the Magnificent Seven to deal with these banditos.
Toasted Heretic
Anyway, this is horrible and the end of the cartels will only come about when the drugs trade is legalized. Cut out the violence, and deliver clean product.
But what brave politicians will realize this?
wtfjapan
Trump needs to designate the Cartel as a terrorist organization and that would change the dynamic as to how to engage
doubt that will stop them , you've got basically a terrorist organization with $billions in cash easy access to weapons they'll make IRA look like a choir boys. tens thousands of civilians will die as they'll most likely target civilians with bombs as well as guns if the Mexico and American governments declare war on them
Toasted Heretic
Bit of a difference, there. The modern IRA came about as a reaction to the discrimination and brutalization of the Catholic population in the occupied 6 counties. See attacks on the Civil Rights movement etc.
But yes, a war on the cartels will spill much blood and achieve little. The only way, I believe, is to make drugs legal and cut out the cartels.
TorafusuTorasan
@stormcrow--your numbers are off because you equated 1000 people in ten days with 30,000 a month. Not to dispute it's horrific but you added an extra multiple of ten.
bass4funk
Not if it’s done in the right way and the kid gloves are taken off.
Yes, but let’s create a nation full of zombies, that’s the answer.
Thank you.
Toasted Heretic
The war on drugs has achieved very little over the decades.
Prohibition doesn't work. It creates a nation of racketeers and violence. And not everyone who does drugs loses control of their faculties. Not that I'm a fan of hard drugs, natch. But it should be the choice of the people.
bass4funk
That wouldn’t work as there are millions of illegal guns on the streets and underground.
Democrats don’t care what’s going on in the South.
Blacklabel
Sadly leftist talking heads on TV using this tragedy as proof that Mexico isn’t safe enough for all the economic migrants. All those migrants must be granted immediate access to safety in the USA.
Chip Star
The only drug legalized in those places is marijuana. The violence and waste of law enforcement resources in those areas related to marijuana had plummeted since legalization.
It wouldn't work immediately, but would have an effect over time. I know you Trumpophiles think we shouldn't try something if it doesn't solve a problem immediately, but that's not how reality works.
Chip Star
Refugees aren't economic migrants, but great way to minimize their plight by referring to them as such. Accuracy continues to elude you.
This is not accurate.
Chip Star
Please refrain from bringing up irrelevant facts. Nobody is trying to take easy pot shots at America or Americans.
Dom Palmer
Google the Posse Comitatus Act.
bass4funk
Not other narcotics.
But eventually if you allow them to go after them, zero restraints and as aggressively as possible.
Why are liberals always on the side of law breakers?
bass4funk
liberals don’t have any solutions and over the last three years they haven’t even tried to work with this president not one bit in trying to stop the flow of illegals and to bring up ideas how to slow down the drug cartels or put them out of commission, they’re too busy chasing after Russia and Ukraine ghosts. That’s the hard truth.
Blacklabel
Yes refugees are not economic migrants. These people at the Mexico border however, are economic migrants. They are all coming for jobs to make money to send back to their families or to get benefits illegals get.
bass4funk
I’m not, but the Democrats are and they’re not even trying to tackle the problem or do whatever it takes stop this, as long as we take the liberal approach and make excuses...nothing will change, absolutely nothing.
We have never fully and aggressively tried to tackle this problem head on.
The way they run their mouths you’d think a millennium has already passed.
Not me, talk to the Democrats, they’re the ones that don’t care. If they don’t care about border security why on Earth would they care about the Cartels? But yes, the Kurds and impeachment are the only things that matter to them, nothing else.
bass4funk
Again, the full fury of the US might has never been truly unleashed on these terrorists.
I just suggested one.
It does to a very large extent.
Serrano
A tweet!? Nine American's slaughtered and he tweets? Not a phone call?
Yeah, if he called, the Democrats would find something to complain about and he doesn't need the aggravation.
bass4funk
They most definitely are and unwilling to acknowledge that critical point is the reason why we can never truly tackle this problem. Any person shooting up and burning alive innocent women and children as well as babies is actually worse than a terrorist.
Laws can always be changed and the President can always issue an executive order, he’s serious and yet the Democrats aren’t? Ahh, they’re too busy trying to impeach this President on who knows what
Yes, he’s more worried about his neck than to tackle the problem. This is why nothing ever changes in Mexico, no one is willing to take a stand. I know it’s hard I get it and it’s extremely risky, but if you don’t take the initiative and that first step, nothing will change. Wanting change also means possibly putting your own life at risk. Either you fight this as dirty as the Cartels or you’re just putting a band aid on the problem and just blowing smoke.
bass4funk
When US lives are at stake he does.
You can believe that, I don’t and again, I’m not talking about the drug problem, let’s keep the focus on the families that were murdered in cold blood by these terrorists.
SixpackShakur
@CS
Thats the truth! I agree.
bass4funk
the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel has claimed that the Constitution authorizes the president, as commander in chief, to order the military to attack other countries without congressional permission if the president determines that this would be anticipatory self-defense or otherwise serve the interests of the United States
The Mexican government has never done anything monumental to try and stop the Cartels.
It was started earlier this Spring but you wouldn’t know it because the liberal media hasn’t been or won’t do their job, but conservatives knew.
An hold US citizenship and their families are US citizens.
I want to keep the conversation focused on the terrorists, that’s what the topic is about.
bass4funk
Actually, that’s not true, because they possess dual citizenship, they can claim they are American as well.
Against an American citizen it would and you don’t see the Mexican government running to their defense either, but to the Mexican Federalies why would they care if some Gringo is shot?
I’m not talking about the expendable foot soldiers, I’m talking about taking out the leadership, hard and heavy and make it intolerable for them.
No, it started in the spring, CNN and msnbc have been focusing on Mueller and impeachment and the news be damned because to the pundits, it doesn’t matter what the public wants, the Democrats will force feed you on what you should focus on, but conservatives knew the construction was underway.
Yeah, they said the same thing about the NYC mafia and although they’re still present, they’re all former shadows of themselves.
Thanks Rudy.
bass4funk
I do and that’s why I stand behind what I said.
Which the rest have done and back into the arms of America, Trump wants to do something, the Mexican President doesn’t and the Democrats won’t, so they’re not serious in protecting Americans, go figure.
Chip Star
How exactly do you know the Dems won't do anything regarding this tragedy?
bass4funk
Yes, in normal circumstances, but this is not one of them. OBL was in the care of Pakistan, we didn’t ask their permission to get him, we didn’t ask the Mexican government if we could keep El Chapo either and Trump if pushed given the horrific circumstances can do the same and the family will come to the US to seek refuge since they are US citizens as well.
They haven’t done anything on the border so far, so why would they do something now even in this tragic situation? They’re too busy worrying about a stupid phone call. 27 Americans have been murdered in Mexico this year and none of the liberal networks mention it. But who cares, no big deal, we have to worry about Zelenskiy and the Kurds that’s way more important. Smh....
Chip Star
How do you determine it isn't a "normal circumstance"?
What are you talking about? The Mexicans captured El Chapo and we requested his extradition, which the Mexicans granted. Cursory research would benefit your accuracy quite a lot.
This is a strange way to say that you don't know that then Dems won't do anything.
Do you really need to be reminded about the Dems attempts to fortify the border and address immigration in 2013 that was shot down by the open-border republicans? Do cursory research before you break out your litany of inaccuracies as to why the open-border repubs didn't want to begin to address the issues in 2013.
Chip Star
How exactly do you know this? Have you interviewed all of them? Didn't think so.
bass4funk
Killing innocent children and women and burning them alive doesn’t meet that criteria.
Because under heavy pressure there was the threat that we would get him, he’s not sitting in a Mexican prison, we learned from that mistake and the Mexican government knew if we go in that’s it.
I think so as well. They haven’t so far. But when it comes to Trump, they’re laser focused....or you would think...
And yet they haven’t done anything so far in the last 3 years to help this President secure the border, to end sanctuary cities, none of it, in fact they’ve done the exact opposite.
Oh, the MSM hasn’t mention that. They’re too busy talking about Ukraine and a phone call.
Chip Star
It was a heinous crime, but it still happened on Mexican soil.
Yeah, this doesn't change the fact that Mexico captured himand agreed to extradite him, which means your description of us not asking Mexico for him was completely incorrect.
Glad you admit that you have no idea whether Dems will refuse to do anything about thiS.
Cursory research demonstrates that this statement is extremely inaccurate.
Here's the pivot from liberal networks to the MSM. Fox "News" is the most mainstream media in the US, which is evidenced by its ratings.
Do you have acute to back up your claim that 27 Americans have been killed in Mexico this year?
Chip Star
*a cite
bass4funk
And the President can make the decking to take the kid gloves off if he wants on this one. Amazing how fast the Mexican authorities apprehended a suspect, usually doesn’t happen that fast. Hmm...
They haven’t look at the border, look at California, it’s in your face, it’s out your window, we have a very good and clear idea.
Because the border was never their focus. Democrats said if I recall, it’s a manufactured crisis.
By reading the news.
Chip Star
And violate the soveirgnty territory of Mexico? That's a great idea. Why not address the demand for drugs in the US that fuels the cartels and unreasonable number of easily accessible firearms in the US that ark the cartels?
Irrelevant to your claim that the Dems will do nothing. Just admit you have no idea what the Dems will do about this specific tragedy. Stop thrashing about trying to disparage Dems via irrelevance.
Never mind in 2013 when the Dems were focused on the border but Repubs weren't. Your selective memory is funny.
This is not an answer to my question. I'll take it that you don't have a cite.
bass4funk
Yes, we did it with Pakistan as well and got Osama bin Laden.
Very relevant there’s not one thing that the Democrats have done along the border especially in the last three years, absolutely nothing, in fact they have worsen the situation go to every city in Los Angeles and San Francisco and look for yourself it’s all right there it’s all a front of your eyes.
It is, but I understand for Democrats none of that is important, the only thing that is important is Ukraine and impeach this president and everything else doesn’t matter one bit.
Wolfpack
Mexico is a failed state. Build the wall.
SixpackShakur
The lefts solution: take away peoples guns and legalize hard drugs. That kind if insanity is why Im not a supporter of the left.
Chip Star
False equivalency.
Incorrect. Try a bit of research. Of course, I understand your definition of "do nothing" is the Dems not caving to every demand made by Donny.
No, it isn't. I asked for a cute and you replied: "By reading the news."
It's painfully obvious that you are not engaged in the conversation in good faith; you merely want to argue and are willing to constantly obfuscate, deflect, and push blatant inaccuracies to so do. Smooth.
bass4funk
Sadly, it really is, but I agree.
No, Americans attacked in a horrific way we will seek justice no matter where or how long it takes.
I did and there is nothing at all this year, but driving around California, you see how miserably the Democrats policy on the border as well as illegals has completely failed.
I really do, but I’m a serious person and I don’t want to engage in liberal hyperbole especially when it comes to this tragic issue. The President offered the Mexican President assistance and the Democrats have said nothing about this tragedy, the only thing that is occupying their cerebral cortex is impeachment and nothing more, that’s painfully obvious, but predictable.
SixpackShakur
California dreamin.
The reality is different but liberals refuse to see it.
bass4funk
Liberal hippies wrote the song, go figure....
Which has nothing to do with this family being brutally murdered. I care more about that than the debt. Money can’t replace life.
bass4funk
No, people have choices, don’t make an excuse for what happened, everyone has a choice and these terrorists decided to end the lives of innocent people.
bass4funk
Who shots 8 month old innocent helpless babies? Only cold-blooded Psycho killers.
bass4funk
Ok, so you’re saying and making excuses that these terrorists in Mexico didn’t have the will or fortitude to reject killing innocent women and children? You keep making excuses for adults that can decide right from wrong. If you can kill babies you are worse than a terrorist, indescribably evil.
Chip Star
Nobody is trying to excuse this heinous crime. How many times do you have to be told that? We are discussing the root causes of these crimes.
Chip Star
Eight people v 3,000+.
Clearly you haven't done any research. Love that you break out a personal anecdote as if it is appropriate support for a claim in critical discourse.
Incorrect.
bass4funk
....and yet liberals are still making excuses and it’s been three days now or four days and still I don’t hear any drastic action to be taken by the Democrats, these people are all talk, but they will run their mouths with this impeachment hoax.
But I did, I wouldn’t lie and it’s all there to see. Buy a ticket, go to LA or SF and tell me we don’t have an immigration problem. I know California loves it’s weed, but once you put the reefer down, it’s quite apparent.
bass4funk
Then as with radical islamists, you target the senior leader infrastructure of the Cartel, take them out after you re-designate them as terrorists and threat them as such.
A great deal of it, yes, I do, especially in California.
bass4funk
I’m not talking about drugs, I’m talking about this family (The topic at hand) that was senselessly murdered, but I get it, liberals don’t want to talk about it, most of the other networks are not covering it. They need to focus on a bogus impeachment inquiry.