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Abortion has been around since ancient times. Whatever the laws say, it won't go away. Most countries take a sensible attitude and prefer it be done in a safe way rather than by some backstreet practitioner. And I wonder what some of those loud proponents of making abortion illegal do when their 15-year old daughter gets pregnant.

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A huge step back.

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It seems that a sizeable chunk of people on this site think it's OK for woman to kill an unborn baby

A fetus isn't a baby, please.

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Ever heard of contraception?

Yes. Sometimes it fails.

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That's a major statement. Like saying a bud isn't a flower.

A bud isn't a flower though, that's why they have two distinct names, and we both are able to delineate the difference between them.

A fetus needs to be protected.

But not babies, right? You're not for any sort of safety net, or subsidized childcare, right?

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The Handmaid's Tale is a futuristic dystopian novel...set in a near-future New England, in a strongly patriarchal, white supremacist, totalitarian theonomic state, ... explores themes of subjugated women in a patriarchal society, loss of female agency and individuality, suppression of women's reproductive rights, and the various means by which women resist and attempt to gain individuality and independence.

It's either a dystopian novel or a manifesto for an increasingly powerful right wing in the USA.

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Can you name states that allow abortion up to nine months?

Alaska, DC, New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Florida

Disingenuous - you know that in these states there has to be a threat to the mother's life to allow a third trimester abortion.

Keep up with your straw man fallacies if you want, but you'll be called out on them.

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Not if both people use it and use right.

Yes it can. And frankly, do you really think that forcing a woman to give birth to an unwanted baby is a good outcome?

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Women are the majority of voters, and the majority of voters favor abortion rights. If women want to keep abortion rights, they need to vote against people who want to take them away.

We now need to organize to get more women voting this November.

SCOTUS Initial Draft:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21835435-scotus-initial-draft

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Hervé L'Eisa

The (human) life begins at conception. Only a callous heart can deny that.

Psalm 139:15-16

English Standard Version

15 My frame was not hidden from you,

when I was being made in secret,

> intricately woven in the depths of the earth.

16 Your eyes saw my unformed substance;

in your book were written, every one of them,

the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.

OK. Some people have callous hearts.

And you probably shouldn't have an abortion because it goes against your beliefs.

Just don't interfere with people who don't share your beliefs.

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No one is banning abortions. Just letting the states make the laws themselves.

And half of states already have laws in place to ban abortion which remove the ability of women to determine what to do with their own bodies. Surely self-autonomy is a constitutionally protected right?

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America becomes one step further authoritarian.

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bass4funk

Ahhh, so why do I have to pay for it. Get private insurance. Way better and the best part is, you’re not in someone else’s pocket

Because you are a citizen who cares about your fellow citizen. Look at it as health insurance from the state.

And the kicker is, if you have single payer healthcare, your taxes will go down. The US pays more in taxes for healthcare than nations with single payer healthcare. If the US adopted a single payer system, everybody pays less. Even you.

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Unmitigated, party-politic hypocrisy.

There is zero mention of concealed carry permits in the constitution, but I have no problem with shoe-horning it in there. But claiming that a woman cannot choose to have an abortion because it is not mentioned in a document that in its original form did not permit women to vote? Balderdash. Strict constructionist are only strict when its in the interest of their gods or pocketbooks... which basically means their slavish constituency. If I can be proud to constitutionally carry, the concept of which exists nowhere in the twenty-seven words of second amendment, I think there is room in-between the US doctrines of life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and the establishment clause for a woman's right to an abortion.

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I think the women in the USA who voted for Trump, and thought it was the settled law of the land, and aren't happy about this law being removed, really needed to think what they were voting for.

But it's interesting its MEN and predominantly republican who decide MEDICAL access to something they may need. This is the party that will now turn towards repealing same sex marriage law next.Because they will need to motivate the christian evangelicals, who will get out their vote.

Wont be long before they want to reintroduce bans on interracial marriage next. Sadly the USA get what they voted for. A vote isn't just for the president, It's also a vote for president to fill the Supreme Court. Unless your a black president. Then the republicans will block it.

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While I don't hold the following position myself, it can argued that the woman retains property rights over her womb and can therefore evict anyone who is not wanted.

However, you use terms like "life" and it is entirely debateable whether a fetus can be called "life" in any meaningful sense, especially in early weeks.

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There’s always adoption.

Giving birth is prohibitively expensive. What happens if you don't have health insurance?

Also, do you have any idea how many kids grow up in group homes or in foster care? Hardly a dignified existence.

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Then the women who are living in states that ban abortion can go to a state that doesn’t ban it. Your still free to travel.

Except a lot of women cannot afford to travel. Also, laws in places like Texas make it possible to target women going to other states to have an abortion.

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Nothing causes "brain lock" in a anti-abortionist more than to quote back to them their mantra they stole from the pro-choice movement...

"My body, my choice"...

Or quote back to them the words they use to protest wearing masks...

"Freedom!"...

So, they are against the government enacting laws or mandates requiring vaccination....but are for government enacting laws and mandates restricting a woman's freedom over her own body...

"My body, my choice"....but you can't choose to have an abortion....

"Freedom" except for women...

Hypocrites...

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KetoCoffee

@2020 sorry the father has just as much of a say then the mother. Oh I’m sorry you call them birthing person.

Umm, no. The father isn't giving birth, so they don't get ultimate say. Unless you want the decision to have a vasectomy go to your wife. (And says you should definitely get one.)

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I think it is time for Biden to increase the the number of justices in the SC given that it is now just a tool of the religious right and you have figures like Justice Thomas who are totally compromised.

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There are exceptions, such as rape and when the mother's life is in danger and her death would mean both her and the baby dying. But abortion just because the mother doesn't want the baby or can't look after it isn't morally or ethically justifiable. There's always adoption as a solution.

And here you just give up your whole agenda. It's really about shaming women for having sex. You can't claim that all life is precious, and then justify abortion in cases of rape.

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Algernon LaCroix

What is it with the Left and straw men/poor comprehension? I never said that the government can take away a woman's freedom to have an abortion. I don't think governments have any right at all to dictate what a person can and can't do with their own bodies. But I think they should step in to protect the innocent, which in this case are unborn children.

Why? If the foetus is unviable. You are basically saying that someone has the obligation to support a life that wouldn't survive on it's own.

What about the mother's bodily autonomy. A pregnancy is risky, but you are saying that all women should be forced to see all pregnancies to term. Surely the women's rights trump an unviable foetus, which doesn't have any rights.

I'm not saying that you can't choose your own actions. That's fine. But to legally require all women to have a full term pregnancy is immoral.

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so what is the justification of killing a nine month old child in the womb?

Classic @Bass - jumping straight to a straw man and slippery slope logical fallacy. Can you name states that allow abortion up to nine months? Here we are, half a century after Roe, and you trot out absurdities such as this. Are the anti-abortion arguments so poor that you need to rely on frankly disingenuous arguments such as these?

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Algernon LaCroix

Having an abortion is taking responsibility for your actions, if the pregnancy is unwanted. Why would you say that it isn't?

Ever heard of contraception?

Sure. That's obviously preferable. But sometimes it fails. Or sometimes you forget to take it. In those cases, you may need to have an abortion.

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The Republican Party is the only party that really wants to get involved in everyones healthcare and bedrooms.

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So when they have a heartbeat isn’t that considered life to you?

Not necessarily. We can see that this is already being defined as an electronic pulse prior to the formation of the heart. It is an arbitrary factor that has been used to basically ban abortion in certain states.

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bass4funk

Yes. Sometimes it fails.

Not if both people use it and use right.

That's a "no true scotsman" argument.

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Happy Day

One of Justice Sotamayor’s law clerks leaked it. They should be put in jail.

Why?

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itsonlyrocknroll

A draft legal opinion, then to be leaked to Politico, that is not final until the ruling is published!!!!

It is outrageous, there has to be a criminal investigation into the source of the leak.

Why so angry? If it's true, it will happen anyway. No harm done in letting people know the truth.

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Why should the Federal government ( again, take my tax money to feed the homeless or to fund a woman’s abortion procedure?

It's great you should ask, and I'm just gonna leave my commenting here: Should government money go towards healthcare for expecting mothers and small children?

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You think they will shove the baby back in?? You serious?!

Lmao who said that? Are you for free health insurance for expecting mothers and babies. Yes or no?

Yes, my own father, were he aborted then I wouldn’t be here, so yes, I am passionate about the issue. Again, there are other alternatives.

Right, like growing up in group homes, and passed around from foster home to foster home. Very prolife.

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So that’s a “no”, because it’s not free.

Obviously, someone will pay for it. How very probirth of you.

Talk about condescending! So you think that low of people who grew up in foster homes?

No. I'm saying life is hard for kids brought into this world by parents who either cannot or unwilling to care for them. Growing up in group home isn't a great life.

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KetoCoffee

I’m not against abortions, but me pertinent feel once the heartbeat is detected unless there is some medical issues, then no abortion.

Sure. But when people talk about the foetal heartbeat, they aren't talking about a heart that is beating. So, the law talks about whether a foetus is viable or not. I.e. if they can survive without the mother. That should be the measure.

I also feel the father has a say as well.

They can voice an opinion and try and influence the mother, but the choice is 100% the mother's because it is her body.

Once again the truth being diluted by the leftist.

What truth is being diluted?

It will be overturned and given back to the states where it belongs.

Why?

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KetoCoffee

@2020 love your hypocrisy! Of course you don’t care that someone broke the law and leaked this. As long as it helped the leftist progressive narrative your all for it. When the opposite happens your the first ones to scream about people should be jailed.

Oh, if they broke the law, of course they should be jailed. My take is that you seem concerned about this being leaked. And I can't imagine why, considering it has no consequences that I can see. Maybe, you can.

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KetoCoffee

Me personally living here in Japan I could care less. I don’t even know what the abortion law is here.

Abortion is common in Japan. And mostly with married couples.

But then again I don’t see or hear Japanese women bragging about killing their baby or fetas. You have to admit that’s a little unhinged when women do that.

I'm pretty sure no women are bragging about that. Why would you think they are?

I don’t know why more actual biological women don’t use the day after pill more often or the old condom. May not work all the time but it works 99% of the time. Haha

In Japan, that confused me as well. In the US, it's more likely to be an access issue.

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*So explain why you are for the government taking away a woman's freedom and choice over her body...**

What is it with the Left and straw men/poor comprehension? I never said that the government can take away a woman's freedom to have an abortion.

Perhaps you ought to re-read what you posted..."But I think they (gov't) should step in to protect the innocent, which in this case are unborn children. Like with any law, there should be room made for exceptions."

And in the same post you said; * *I don't think governments have any right at all to dictate what a person can and can't do with their own bodies."

So you're for the government "stepping in" with a law to outlaw abortions....but you also think government doesn't have a right to dictate what a person can do with their bodies...

I won't comment any further on this topic.

Wise decision...

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If it's not a baby, what is it?

A fetus, obviously, hence the name. Feel free to look up the definition of fetus in a medical test book. But it starts as a single cell which has no more the outward characteristics of human life that any other single celled organism, and over a nine month gestation period, acquires all of the others, until in the weeks prior to birth, it is fully capable of life independent of the womb.

The precise point of transition from potential life (fetus) to life (baby) is difficult to say, but it is not the "gotcha" you think it is. There is not even a single definition of life among biologists (over 50 have been put forward, I believe), but most would agree from a biological point of view that the first trimester isn't life, the third is something pretty close, and the second is a period of transition.

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Algernon LaCroix

And here you just give up your whole agenda. It's really about shaming women for having sex. You can't claim that all life is precious, and then justify abortion in cases of rape.

It's about people taking responsibility for their actions - both men and women - which includes using contraception and choosing partners wisely. It takes two to tango.

Having an abortion is taking responsibility for your actions, if the pregnancy is unwanted. Why would you say that it isn't?

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master

God bless the men and women of the SC who did their moral duty.

And yet many will find their decision immoral. Morals are like opinions. Everybody has them and none are the same.

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itsonlyrocknroll

2020hindsights, not angry, just taken aback that for the first time a draft opinion has ever appeared in public before being officially published.

This undermines the whole judicial reasoning behind the process that requires the secrecy of the court.

Sure. But no undue consequences, so who cares.

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Bass is pro-choice. He just has issues standing next to liberals on any issue so he hops on the other side here. He certainly is against bans in cases of rape and incest, and said he doesn't agree with the Texas laws implementation.

As for the multi-state issue, it comes down to poverty. Rich, successful GOP members will just fly their mistresses to CA for a private service. Poor people won't be able to. The GOPers are just betting they don't get caught, but when the time comes, they'll get out their wallets.

Problem solved for them.

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But they're the same ones cheering on the state when it wants to force people to inject experimental drugs, apparently because it saves lives.

Yep, your body your choice, right? The government shouldn't force you to take the ""miracle" vaccine...

So explain why you are for the government taking away a woman's freedom and choice over her body...

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itsonlyrocknroll

My comment is more a observation into why a person or persons leaked the draft in full knowledge of the effect such a leak would have.

My take is that it doesn't have any effect. Except knowing the decision beforehand, and why would that be bad.

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master

And yet many will find their decision immoral. Morals are like opinions. Everybody has them and none are the same.

many will find this immoral, I suppose. They are not people I want to share a community with to say the least.

I celebrate that they are angry at this as they are my mortal enemy.

I do not want to share any type of community with them. I wish them the worst.

Live and let live. The world is a diverse place. Get over it.

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master

And I can't imagine why, considering it has no consequences that I can see. Maybe, you can.

It is a direct threat to the Justices and their very safety before the ruling comes down.

I would doubt that. But if it is, it would hence be just as unsafe for them when the ruling is official.

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There are exceptions, such as rape 

Why would this be an "exception" if you think that a fetus is a baby? Would you allow euthanising them after birth? If not, why not?

Let me answer that for you - because you don't really believe that they are babies, because the only people who get killed by the state in America are murderers. But now you say that in addition to murderers, the state can allow the killing of "babies" on the grounds that they are basically the victims of rape themselves.

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2020hindsights, not angry, just taken aback that for the first time a draft opinion has ever appeared in public before being officially published.

This undermines the whole judicial reasoning behind the process that requires the secrecy of the court.

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master

Live and let live. The world is a diverse place. Get over it.

Live and let live indeed. 50 million babies would have wanted that option.

Considering babies aren't being aborted, not sure what you are talking about.

The world is a diverse place, and now if you don't like this ruling and happen to live in the US, you are free to pick top and leave.

I have no skin in this game, I do not live in the US. But considering that Roe vs. Wade is supported by a vast majority of Americans, I can see many people being angry over this decision.

Get over it.

I hope they do. But there is sure to be a blowback against the GOP on this.

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If you read the original 1973 ruling the Supreme Court Justices who ruled in favor of allowing abortion noted that the right to an abortion is by means absolute.

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those would be the exception, but never late term abortion should be allowed.

But wait a second, I thought all life is precious. Are you saying some aren't? Why is it okay to abort some fetuses, but not others?

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2020hindsights,

I don't have any political opinion of the consequences 1973 Roe v. Wade case being reviewed.

Outside of my Catholic up bringing which I certainly wont be inflicting on other commentators.

My comment is more a observation into why a person or persons leaked the draft in full knowledge of the effect such a leak would have.

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Let the States decide. It is democratic and gives voice to those who oppose Roe v. Wade. It even gives voice to the little guy moving the womb.

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A draft legal opinion, then to be leaked to Politico, that is not final until the ruling is published!!!!

It is outrageous, there has to be a criminal investigation into the source of the leak.

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Leaked so the radicals can intimidate the Justices. Hopefully the SCOTUS can find their backbone and clean up America now.

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gotta have the leak to give the heads up for the activists/Antifa to be ready to protest the decision.

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A bud isn't a flower though

it will be, it’s from that that produces flowers

But not babies, right?

You can do both.

You're not for any sort of safety net, or subsidized childcare, right?

Why should the Federal government ( again, take my tax money to feed the homeless or to fund a woman’s abortion procedure?

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And here you just give up your whole agenda. It's really about shaming women for having sex. You can't claim that all life is precious, and then justify abortion in cases of rape.

It's about people taking responsibility for their actions - both men and women - which includes using contraception and choosing partners wisely. It takes two to tango.

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Yep, your body your choice, right? The government shouldn't force you to take the ""miracle" vaccine...

Yes

So explain why you are for the government taking away a woman's freedom and choice over her body...

I was very clear on that, scroll up.

So, let's bring a bunch of unwanted kids into the world so

That was cold. At least the kid is alive. Again, this is why people are waking up to the fact that liberals only care about their radical progressive agenda and babies are not part of that equation.

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Readers, please stop bickering.

One of Justice Sotamayor’s law clerks leaked it. They should be put in jail.

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And I can't imagine why, considering it has no consequences that I can see. Maybe, you can.

It is a direct threat to the Justices and their very safety before the ruling comes down.

It is a last ditch effort to intimidate them.

It brings the very integrity of the SC into disrepute.

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Live and let live. The world is a diverse place. Get over it.

Live and let live indeed. 50 million babies would have wanted that option.

The world is a diverse place, and now if you don't like this ruling and happen to live in the US, you are free to pick top and leave.

Get over it.

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*So explain why you are for the government taking away a woman's freedom and choice over her body...*

What is it with the Left and straw men/poor comprehension? I never said that the government can take away a woman's freedom to have an abortion. I don't think governments have any right at all to dictate what a person can and can't do with their own bodies. But I think they should step in to protect the innocent, which in this case are unborn children. Like with any law, there should be room made for exceptions as I mentioned above. But not for convenience arising from bad choices/poor judgment.

I won't comment any further on this topic.

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So you're for the government "stepping in" with a law to outlaw abortions....

I am for the government in this case the judicial branch fixing a law they should have never got involved in.

but you also think government doesn't have a right to dictate what a person can do with their bodies...

That is why I think it should be a States issue, let each state vote on it.

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I'll take one more bite.

Perhaps you ought to re-read what you posted..."But I think they (gov't) should step in to protect the innocent, which in this case are unborn children. Like with any law, there should be room made for exceptions."

And in the same post you said; * *I don't think governments have any right at all to dictate what a person can and can't do with their own bodies."

So you're for the government "stepping in" with a law to outlaw abortions....but you also think government doesn't have a right to dictate what a person can do with their bodies...

You just proved my point about your poor comprehension, or perhaps bad faith. The woman's right to do whatever she wants with her body ends where a baby's right to live begins. It's very simple, really. Just like you're protected by law from another person taking your life at their convenience, so should an unborn baby be protected in the same way. It's the most ethical approach.

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Having an abortion is taking responsibility for your actions, if the pregnancy is unwanted. Why would you say that it isn't?

Ever heard of contraception?

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jumping straight to a straw man and slippery slope logical fallacy.

Hmmm, I disagree.

Can you name states that allow abortion up to nine months?

Alaska, DC, New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Florida

Here we are, half a century after Roe, and you trot out absurdities such as this.

No, it’s about time and long overdue

Are the anti-abortion arguments so poor

Poor? Not according to the Supreme Court, so if this does become law (I hope and pray it does) then that is a win for a lot of babies

that you need to rely on frankly disingenuous arguments such as these?

Try again…

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The Republican Party is the only party that really wants to get involved in everyones healthcare and bedrooms

Actually, they don’t and the one thing and biggest mistake the GOP could have gotten themselves in was to get in bed with the healthcare socialists and as for the bedroom, they didn’t say anything until the left started telling people there were more than 2 sexes on the planet, Disney didn’t help itself backing them, so no, it’s not the Republicans, they asked for none of this, but they’re not going to roll over and let the Dems push them into their woke-ism world.

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America becomes one step further authoritarian.

Until this winter.

And half of states already have laws in place to ban abortion which remove the ability of women to determine what to do with their own bodies. Surely self-autonomy is a constitutionally protected right

We all know that on paper it’s different from what you say in confidentiality. Again, I know and have to many stories in this, it’s not exactly correct what you say.

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And yet many will find their decision immoral. Morals are like opinions. Everybody has them and none are the same.

many will find this immoral, I suppose. They are not people I want to share a community with to say the least.

I celebrate that they are angry at this as they are my mortal enemy.

I do not want to share any type of community with them. I wish them the worst.

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The (human) life begins at conception. Only a callous heart can deny that.

Psalm 139:15-16

English Standard Version

15 My frame was not hidden from you,

when I was being made in secret,

intricately woven in the depths of the earth.

16 Your eyes saw my unformed substance;

in your book were written, every one of them,

the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.
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Obviously, someone will pay for it.

Ahhh, so why do I have to pay for it. Get private insurance. Way better and the best part is, you’re not in someone else’s pocket

No. I'm saying life is hard for kids brought into this world by parents who either cannot or unwilling to care for them. Growing up in group home isn't a great life.

I agree, but at least they are alive and one day they will become adults and can carve their own lives out.

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takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.comToday  02:35 pm JST

It seems that a sizeable chunk of people on this site think it's OK for woman to kill an unborn baby

A fetus isn't a baby, please.

If it's not a baby, what is it? Can you, in practice, pinoint the moment when a fetus becomes a baby? And do you support the right have an abortion up until birth? And what if your mother had decided she wanted to abort you at any point during her pregnancy?

There are exceptions, such as rape and when the mother's life is in danger and her death would mean both her and the baby dying. But abortion just because the mother doesn't want the baby or can't look after it isn't morally or ethically justifiable. There's always adoption as a solution.

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Yes. Sometimes it fails.

Not if both people use it and use right.

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Yes it can.

If you’re careless, then probably.

And frankly, do you really think that forcing a woman to give birth to an unwanted baby is a good outcome?

There’s always adoption.

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Disingenuous - you know that in these states there has to be a threat to the mother's life to allow a third trimester abortion. 

Don’t move the goalpost, you asked, I answered.

Keep up with your straw man fallacies

None not one single one and straight as an arrow.

Giving birth is prohibitively expensive. What happens if you don't have health insurance? 

You think they will shove the baby back in?? You serious?!

Also, do you have any idea how many kids grow up in group homes or in foster care?

Yes, my own father, were he aborted then I wouldn’t be here, so yes, I am passionate about the issue. Again, there are other alternatives.

Hardly a dignified existence.

Oh, I disagree.

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Because you are a citizen who cares about your fellow citizen.

Yes, but not taking care of them. I believe in being self-reliant

Look at it as health insurance from the state.

Looking at it and KNOWING what it is are two entirely different things.

And the kicker is, if you have single payer healthcare,

That will thankfully never happen.

your taxes will go down.

If you believe that the someone loses to you and they should be run out of town for even trying to peddle that ruse.

The US pays more in taxes for healthcare than nations with single payer healthcare. If the US adopted a single payer system, everybody pays less. Even you.

ROFL

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A wonderful, long overdue day.

Not every state will take the opportunity to restore their souls, but many will.

God bless the men and women of the SC who did their moral duty.

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A fetus isn't a baby, please.

That's a major statement. Like saying a bud isn't a flower.

A fetus needs to be protected.

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I think it's a good thing. The Supreme Court should have never gotten involved in this, it should be a state issue and the Federal government should not have a say in it. Give it to the States and let the people vote on it. Some States will support it and others won't.

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