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Researchers urge delay in administering Pfizer vaccine's second dose

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They cautioned that there may be uncertainty about the duration of protection with a single dose, but said that the administration of the second dose a month after the first provided "little added benefit in the short term".

Securing the first dose and administering them is tough enough.

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It’s like first eating the soup and an hour after that a spoon of salt. Maybe in sum it’s according to the recipe, but it’s not a delicious soup and intended to cook or eat in that manner. lol

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"little added benefit in the short term".

Um, shouldn't we be thinking long-term? Ok, so this is a logistics issue, or is this the first of many doses to come? The rollout will be the news that dominates 2021 and beyond even.

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Admin/moderator

I feel you have a moral obligation to reconsider this title. You know the inference of the title is that the vaccine is dangerous.

Please consider updating the title to something along the lines of, "researchers show a second dose of Pfizer vaccine might not be necessary".

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"They cautioned that there may be uncertainty about the duration of protection with a single dose,"

and this the exact reason why Japan went slow in its vaccine rollout. Pfizer and the US government have no idea what they are doing. They are using the American people like human guinea pigs.

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It’s like first eating the soup and an hour after that a spoon of salt. Maybe in sum it’s according to the recipe, but it’s not a delicious soup and intended to cook or eat in that manner. lol

No, the situation is not like that at all. More like the opposite, your analogy is about taking out a small portion of something in a way that makes it a lot worse, the article is about the possibility of taking out one part without actually worsening things significantly, It would be more like eating a bowl of the soup, remain seated for an hour and then getting an extra spoonful of the same soup, the extra benefit hardly justifies the extra time.

Seems like these "experts" are basically shooting from the hip with these vaccines.

Is the science behind all this really solid?

Yes, the researchers have not even suggested the scientific results are wrong, having two doses is better than one. What they say is that practical reasons (lack of enough vaccine) make the application of the second dose less cost effective in a population level.

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Soon, we will come to a conclusion through research and observation than even zero dose will have an efficacy of over 92%

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What they say is that practical reasons (lack of enough vaccine) make the application of the second dose less cost effective in a population level.

Or, to state it differently:

More people getting one dose, is better than fewer people getting two doses.

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I must agree the title is misleading.

Because it looks like this is bad news while actually this is very good news: twice the amount of people can be vaccinated.

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Is the science behind all this really solid?

Yes. I hope my answer has been informative.

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The readers are not children.

Every person who is interested can read the article and decide for themselves.

If we've reached the point of cancelling articles from Reuters something is wrong.

Most people only read headlines.

You don't know what "cancelling" means.

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I feel you have a moral obligation to reconsider this title. You know the inference of the title is that the vaccine is dangerous.

Indeed, the title does not match the article but might actually better reflect reality; that experts are becoming increasing concerned with people dying after the 2nd dose.

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The readers are not children.

Every person who is interested can read the article and decide for themselves.

Recent evidence suggests that people actually have a very poor ability to understand things of even the most modest complexity and are easily led by those with a conspiracy to sell - just look at what happened after the US election and the events leading up to the 6th - people happily decided for themselves based on nothing more than rumours and lies.

"Every person" does not have the skill or qualifications to decide for themselves on the complexities regarding virology.

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Aren't you guys getting the Pfizer vaccine from the U.S.? If so, enjoy being human crash test dummies for Big Pharma globalists.

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Indeed, the title does not match the article but might actually better reflect reality; that experts are becoming increasing concerned with people dying after the 2nd dose.

This is not the case, but is being spread by anti-vax conspiracy theorists.

The number of deaths occurring after vaccines appears to be entirely consistent with statistical death rates among the wider population.

If the UK for example, 15 million people have been vaccinated, all of whom are high risk due to their age or pre-existing health conditions. You would expect large numbers to die in a normal winter anyway - about 600,000 Britons die every year, so we are probably talking about 60k to 70k a month in winter. With those numbers dying, we are probably looking at about 50,000 people dying shortly after their jab.

Yet anti-vax Qultists love sharing news stories like, "woman dies 48 hours after COVID vaccine" which means nothing out of context, but will make many feel concerned, particularly if these stories are shoved at them.

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Indeed, the title does not match the article but might actually better reflect reality; that experts are becoming increasing concerned with people dying after the 2nd dose.

Which "experts"? recognized epidemiologists (not the ones with scandals for bad science)? Nobody has even said vaccinated people has a higher incidence of deaths than the non-vaccinated population.

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I read that People who took several of the vaccinations ended up with the full-blown virus itself ! So please, be cautious.

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And here comes the walkback.

The side effects of the vaccine is multiple times worse than that of the flu vaccine, and the drug companies are now trying to cover their behinds.

Availability of the drug seems a good little excuse.

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I read that People who took several of the vaccinations ended up with the full-blown virus itself ! So please, be cautious.

This may surprise you but we are actually in the middle of a pandemic, and people that are being vaccinated do so because they are are at risk of getting the virus, and since vaccines are not perfect a small percentage of vaccinated people will end up still getting the disease. Still, this risk is much lower than the people that are not vaccinated so it is better to be vaccinated than not, unless you are at higher risk of complications and the vaccine is not indicated for you.

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for anyone interested, check out the CDC's own Covid vaccine side effect data. through Jan 8, when roughly 6.6 million does had been administered. It is not good. Not good at all.

reported deaths per dose were at 85x per dose of flu vaccine and ER trips at 35x

These reports are most likely underestimates as vaccinations rise quickly and reports lag

Also, in the US, healthcare workers, who are younger, have been prioritized. Norwegian data suggests deaths are much more likely to follow vaccinations in the elderly.

This is nearly all effects of the FIRST DOSE. The 2nd has side effects 3-10x the first.

Lastly, this is mainly the Pfizer shot. the moderna shot has more side effects.

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Still, this risk is much lower than the people that are not vaccinated so it is better to be vaccinated than not, unless you are at higher risk of complications and the vaccine is not indicated for you.

thats quite a word salad. Ill grab at that last little bit which was clear;

What are the "higher risks of complications", Doc?

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reported deaths per dose were at 85x per dose of flu vaccine and ER trips at 35x

And this is still half of the pertinent information, and completely expected because the flu vaccine is not primarily directed to people at elevated age.

Now, how about comparing that to an unvaccinated population of approximately the same characteristics? the whole point of the side effect data is to see if it is higher or not. Or did you think the vaccine would protect people from every kind of danger to their health or life?

What are the "higher risks of complications", Doc?

This is not secret, it has been reported frequently that people at elevated risk of allergies have to discuss with a health professional to see if the vaccine is recommended or not for them.

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And this is still half of the pertinent information, and completely expected because the flu vaccine is not primarily directed to people at elevated age.

Excuse me? Beg your pardon?

Did you just say that these horrific numbers were completely expected??

I don't remember that heads up from the drug companies. Hell, its been a bust past few months for me so I guess I missed that bulletin. Maybe I was sick that day.

Can you show me where these deadly numbers were expected and announced?

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Did you just say that these horrific numbers were completely expected??

Yes, because people do not live forever. If you begin to follow millions of people for some time, especially if they are of elevated age, it will mean some of them will die. Terribly sorry that apparently you need pharmaceutical companies to let you know that everybody die some day.

What you failed to understand is that if vaccinated people die at the same rate than unvaccinated people that obviously means the vaccine is not the cause of death.

Can you show me where these deadly numbers were expected and announced?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/older-american-health.htm

Number of deaths of persons age 65 and over: 2,117,332

Deaths per 100,000 population:

65-74: 1,764.6

75-84: 4,308.3

85 and over: 13,228.6

on average 10,481 people over 65yo die per every 100,000,

for 6.6 millions that is close to 700k people a year,

almost 60,000 per month,

15,000 per week.

Now, this is the expected number of people that die in a normal, unvaccinated population.

Is this clear enough?

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Yes virusrex. Please show how the Covid vaccine is 85x deadlier. In fact, please show us any evidence at all of a COVID vaccine causing death. You can use the CDC stats if there are any. I can only find this clear statement that there has been no link found between people dying and the vaccines being the cause.

Over 52 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through February 14, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 934 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records findings revealed no link with vaccination. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.*

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Haaa Nemui - Isn't that interesting! I was just looking into those numbers and low and behold it seems the CDC has had some trouble keeping track of their numbers. Just last week ...

*Over 41 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through February 14, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 1170 reports of death (0.003%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records findings revealed no link with vaccination. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.*

***It seems a lot of people are springing back to life!

Heck, is there anything that vaccine can't do??

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Don't like this at all, why does everyone think they are THE expert or scientist and have absolutely no concept of patience or liability. Pfizer is not going to back you on this regardless of your results or data.

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There is a big fat consistent zero in there though. Really the only figure that matters.

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 I can only find this clear statement that there has been no link found between people dying and the vaccines being the cause.

That is what @virusrex was trying to explain to you.

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Bob - the full CDC statement is this

Over 52 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through February 14, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 934 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records findings revealed no link with vaccination. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.*

*Includes only reports of death following COVID-19 vaccination in the United States. The previous update (Feb. 7) included both U.S. and international reports of deaths following COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS.

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That is what @virusrex was trying to explain to you.

I know.

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I know

Mistake, sorry, should have said what virusrex was explaining to bob

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@i@n - no worries. I did expect a few people might read it like that.

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and this the exact reason why Japan went slow in its vaccine rollout. Pfizer and the US government have no idea what they are doing. They are using the American people like human guinea pigs.

When 500,000 people in the USA are dead and there is an effective vaccine, it would be morally irresponsible NOT to use it for the most at-risk groups. There is an order to who can be vaccinated in the US. At this point, I cannot get the vaccine because I don't work in health care, for police/fire departments and I'm not over 65 yrs old. Those groups are the most at risk for being infected with the last group the most at risk for serious complications.

The danger of not being immunized, even for 6-12 months, is high for people in those groups.

But we don't know the risks of a COVID infection over the next 40 yrs just like we don't know any long term risks for the vaccines over the next 40 yrs. We do know that some diseases do have long term health impacts and those can be infectious to other people if not the "carrier" person.

Today, Japan is different. Much fewer infections. Lower risks. Hopefully, it will always be that way, but the Japanese Tourist Board wants to host millions of visitors from around the world in the coming years. What then?

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Well, the long term is sort of important, and a little added benefit in the short term is okay, too.

Yes, they are important, and short term benefit would be good. However, the pandemic response is currently in triage mode, which is by definition where you focus on preventing as many as you can from dying immediately. Once things have stabilized, then long-term can be easier looked at, due to more breathing room within which to work.

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somehow magically downgraded from 1170 just a week before, because sci-yance)

you’ve COMPLETELY skipped the part where it says this -

*Includes only reports of death following COVID-19 vaccination in the United States. The previous update (Feb. 7) included both U.S. and international reports of deaths following COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS.

because yah know... ignorance

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