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Rifts within Israel resurface as war in Gaza drags on. A group of 170 former commanders and other senior defense officials signed a letter earlier this month calling for elections now

Finally they come to a sense now, only they can stop this. Not their ally supper power, who provide them with weapon and fund from US tax payers money.

https://www.axios.com/2023/11/04/us-israel-aid-military-funding-chart

As matter of fact congress members from that super power country being regular recipient of pro-Israel donor, it doesn't matter who their voters and constituents. That's why they so generous on funding to let billions to go abroad.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/10/congress-member-pro-israel-donations-military-support

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The IDF lost 24 killed in action in Gaza on Monday. Not all going their way.

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Netanyahu, who has so far sidestepped accountability for Israel's military and intelligence failures on Oct. 7, vowed once again on Tuesday to continue fighting “until absolute victory,” even after 24 soldiers were killed the previous day, the deadliest since the war began.

Yesterday was the deadliest since the war began? What?

At least 200 hundred Palestinians have been killed every day in Gaza since October 7th. They clearly don't exist as people to Western media like AP, an utter disgrace to journalism. Shameless.

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The ethical and morally challenged Benjamin Netanyahu has got to go!

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The IDF lost 24 killed in action in Gaza on Monday. Not all going their way.

Theyll spin it to their advantage. They are already trying to make out that it was a terrorist attack in innocent Military servicemen, when in actual fact it seems more like a bunch of IDF blew themselves up whilst trying to demolish yet more Palestinans infrastructure.

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Yesterday was the deadliest since the war began? What?

At least 200 hundred Palestinians have been killed every day in Gaza since October 7th. They clearly don't exist as people to Western media like AP, an utter disgrace to journalism. Shameless.

Couldn't agree more Alfie.

Theyll spin it to their advantage. They are already trying to make out that it was a terrorist attack in innocent Military servicemen, when in actual fact it seems more like a bunch of IDF blew themselves up whilst trying to demolish yet more Palestinans infrastructure.

Absolutely

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The origins of this war lie in the repudiation of the Oslo Accords by Israeli governments led by Mr. Netanyahu. His opposition to them has been clear over the years and was made moreso by the map he presented to the UN late last year depicting Israel incorporating all of the Occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip.. Now His "facts on the ground" have come back to bite him and Israel now suffers the consequences of their arrogance. If the Israeli government continues to refuse to allow an independent Palestinian state the US, who help negotiate the Oslo Accords, should turn their back on Israel, cut aid and let them try to survive without the help of the US.

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Yes, the 24 or so IDF men killed were trying to do a controlled explosive demolition of a "terrorist building "" {IDF terminology.}

Apparently, even bricks and mortar are Hamas supporters.

Like the fishing boats the IDF destroyed {80% of the Gazan fisherman's boats} . Hamas hiding in nets and crab pots.

And the destruction of Universities and schools...Hamas present in the air, infecting people with terrorism.

I wont go into the destruction of water, roads, agriculture, hospitals, UN headquarters...because, you know ...ITS ALL HAMAS !!!!

Even in the graveyards...the dead must be disinterred...

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Desert and Mick- EXCELLENT POSTS

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Villanova

Today 08:14 am JST

As we have all seen via the western left wing protesters, the only option is to fight the Middle East militarily and kill till we win.

Go on, then. Become an Israeli citizen and join up so they can send you to Gaza. I hope you are as eager to actually fight and kill, or be killed or maimed or taken prisoner and tortured, as you are to write comments about it.

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sakurasuki

Today 07:18 am JST

" A group of 170 former commanders and other senior defense officials signed a letter earlier this month calling for elections now"

Finally they come to a sense now, only they can stop this.

They'll all actually be people who know what the reality of the situation is. If they think it's a disaster it's worth paying attention to, rather than a bunch of gung ho online armchair warriors who claim it's all going wonderfully and that Netanyahu should be President of the World.

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the US, who help negotiate the Oslo Accords, should turn their back on Israel, cut aid and let them try to survive without the help of the US.

Israel wouldnt last until summer

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Israel needs to see reality, 2.3 billion and rapidly growing Muslims, that's market priority in today's global economy.

Association with Israel's RISKY given above reality, given clear and growing Gaza Genocide. Such association's bad for business, clearly everyone's pulling away, there is no country moving towards Israel, NOT ONE.

Sure, countries and companies can be politically correct and try to stay neutral, but NOBODY is embracing Israel.

There's your answer, market-based Democracy = Reality

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Desert Tortoise

Today 08:18 am JST

If the Israeli government continues to refuse to allow an independent Palestinian state the US, who help negotiate the Oslo Accords, should turn their back on Israel, cut aid and let them try to survive without the help of the US.

Unfortunately no US politician who wants to attain and stay in high office would ever dare suggest it.

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Poor Arabs and Jews, killing each other and doing others bettings.

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"" achieve Netanyahu’s stated goals of destroying Hamas and freeing all the hostages.""

Mr. Netanyahu goals are NOT Destroying Hamas, and Freeing the hostages, may at the start of the war!!!? but not lately, his and his war mongers goals are to destroy Gaza with it's people, reoccupy it, and extend Israel's borders from the river to the sea as he stated last week.

NO PA, NO Gaza, NO west bank, and NO two states, these are the goal of his government which Hamas has proven to be MOSSION IMPOSIBLE.

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“The Israeli public is rediscovering its political tribalism,” said Nadav Eyal, a commentator for the Yediot Ahronot newspaper. “It inherently limits the decision-making process when you don’t enjoy the public’s trust.”

Agree, unless you are a TYRANT like what we have here.

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he is beholden to ultranationalist supporters in Parliament, many of whom have called for the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza or for Israel to resettle the area.

Bibi isn’t doing all this for the security of Israel. He’s doing it to hold on to power.

He’s gone well beyond his usual hawkishness and disdain for Palestinians. He’s now beholden to whackos like Smotrich and Ben-Gvir.

Be gone, Bibi!

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There are reports since early this week that Israel and Hamas are about to reach a TWO month ceasefire agreement where Hamas will release all the hostages and Israel releases an unknown number of Palestinian prisoners , then start working on a permanent Ceasefire during these two months.

Egypt, Qatar, The U.S and Israel are all involved and waiting on Hamas Response .

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FROM The Times Of Israel News :

""" Channel 12 later published a recording from the meeting, in which Netanyahu could be heard saying: “There is a proposal of mine, which I also passed in the war cabinet. We conveyed it and now there is, as they say, a tug of war.

“I can’t elaborate here, but our proposal is something we have passed on to the mediators.”

Netanyahu was reportedly asked during the meeting why Israel could not simply agree to end the war in order to secure the release of the remaining hostages and then restart the fighting once the abductees have been returned.

The premier responded by explaining that such a deal would require Israel to provide assurances to the American, Egyptian, and Qatari mediators that it would not be able to turn around and violate the terms right after the hostages have been released, according to Channel 12."""

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70% of Hamas is still intact and its senior leaders are still alive. Proof of the difficulties the IDF is facing in fighting an enemy hiding behind and under its own civilians.

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the US, who help negotiate the Oslo Accords, should turn their back on Israel, cut aid and let them try to survive without the help of the US.

Israel wouldnt last until summer

Damn straight.

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quote: killed more than 25,000 people in Gaza, most of them women and children.

That's more in 100 days than the number of civilians Russia is presumed to have killed in Ukraine (11k confirmed, 11k missing).

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Unfortunately no US politician who wants to attain and stay in high office would ever dare suggest it.

I used to think that but recent events have made me realize that there are American politicians on a national level willing to speak out against Israel with some even calling for US aid to be conditioned on Israel using US made weapons in accordance with US rules on their use. You also see politicians calling for a cease fire. Things change and are changing now.

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70% of Hamas is still intact and its senior leaders are still alive. Proof of the difficulties the IDF is facing in fighting an enemy hiding behind and under its own civilians.

Hamas will be stronger after this war is over, just as Israel's 2006 war against Hezbollah only resulted in Hezbollah emerging with ten times the manpower and 100 times as many rockets and missiles.

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As we have all seen via the western left wing protesters, the only option is to fight the Middle East militarily and kill till we win.

I'm a former Navy pilot and still work in defense, but even I can see the futility of what Israel is doing. In 1990 the government of Israel made a promise to the Palestinians to allow self government, a land link between the West Bank and Gaza strip and eventual independence.

The Israeli Prime Minister who negotiated the Oslo Accords was subsequently murdered by a far right Israeli zealot and those same zealots led by Mr. Netanyahu have used every opportunity available to them when Mr. Netanyahu led the government to undercut and ignore the promise they made to the Palestinians. 33 years of broken promises, worsening living conditions and continuous incremental loss of their land to Israeli "settlers" (colonizers) who think nothing of killing Palestinians to take their land. Think about that. I am a land owner and this is the thing that torques my jaw about the Israelis. I love my home and my little piece of land. I would never willingly surrender it to someone just because that someone is of a religious affiliation preferred by some government and I am a member of a religion they do not like. But that is the plight of Palestinians in the West Bank while Palestinians in Gaza live in prison like conditions with no local control of their power, water, no port, no airport and all land borders controlled by Israel. The final straw, the one that broke the camels back was the invasion of Al-Aqsa Mosque by Israeli police, beating worshippers, followed by the invasion of that mosque by Jews to conduct a Jewish worship service there. That would be like the police in an American city beating and arresting the congregation of a Catholic Cathedral so Pentacostles could worship there. It is beyond religious intolerance and veers into religious oppression. It was a deliberate desecration of a Muslim shrine. And when the pressure is too much and Gaza explodes into violence the blame in the west is placed on the long suffering Muslims, and not on the Israelis.

This is not a problem solvable by military means. As a military person I can see there are things military force can reasonably be expected to resolve, but this is not one of those things. No amount of military force will ever solve this problem. This is a problem that requires a political solution and for Israel to keep their promises. The Palestinians must have their own country free from outside interference. That btw will undercut the raison d'etre for Hamas and Hezbollah. It is the only path to peace and security for both Israel and Palestine.

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bang on the money Desert. Also - oddly - a tiny fraction of Palestinians with Israeli citizenship who live in Israel proper (not the Palestinian areas...) have a legal right to vote in Israel's elections. I know people who worked for Dr.'s without borders in the Palestinian territories...they tell of horrid and brutal treatment by the Israelis...a Jew in an illegal settlement in the OPT territories - gets 2 years (maybe) for killing a Palestinian - some 12 year old Palestinian kid can get 20 years for throwing a stone at an IDF bastard. would you throw a stone? I would too

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The IDF lost 24 killed in action in Gaza on Monday. Not all going their way.

Yes, and thats just how many deaths Israel admits to. Probably couldn't lower the casualty rate on this one since there were hundreds involved in removing the collapsed buildings. But sources (such as Israeli hospitals) say Israeli government has been misleading (if not outright dishonesty) the public about the true casualty/deaths of the IDF. Some say the real number is much much higher.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-10/ty-article/.premium/1-593-israeli-soldiers-wounded-since-october-7-idf-reveals/0000018c-5416-df2f-adac-fe3fbe6d0000

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stormcrowToday  10:23 am JST

70% of Hamas is still intact and its senior leaders are still alive. Proof of the difficulties the IDF is facing in fighting an enemy hiding behind and under its own civilians.

Then they should have been a bit better prepared for this kind of engagement, shouldn't they. The obliterate first and ask questions later strategy clearly isn't working for them.

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