Romney pounces on Obama over disappointing job news

Republicans are evil!! Why is the American economy still messed up?? Republicans doing everything in their power to keep the economy down!! They can try to blame it on president Obama, but anybody with half a brain can see the games these evil fools play with our lives!!!

Obama and Biden are convinced that the economy is on the right track - meanwhile hundreds of thousands of Americans are giving up on them and quitting the job market. Total employment is at it's lowest point in over 30 years. Jobs in the manufacturing sector have reversed and have begun to decline again. It is obvious that Obama's strategy to get the unemployment rate down is to demoralize job seekers so they will give up - nearly 400,000 people gave up looking for employment in August. He then puts them on food stamps to permanently remove them from the job market.

Republicans are evil!! Why is the American economy still messed up?? Republicans doing everything in their power to keep the economy down!!

These kinds of far out assertions along with several Dems at their Convention attempting to link Romney to Hitler is evidence of the desperation of the Messiah Obama and his flock.

Admit it, Obama has failed. Not because he is a bad person; but because he is a bad President.

It should be noted that the private sector added 103,000 jobs while the public sector cut 6,000. Not good indeed, but, as Money noted, "The 17-nation eurozone's unemployment rate reached the highest level since the creation of the common currency 13 years ago, climbing to 11% in April as employers slashed 110,000 jobs." Growth has also fallen sharply in Japan, and we all know what the situation is in Japan.

Yet in this global climate, Obama is deemed to have failed?

Further, what would Romney have done differently (he has thus far declined to state) rather than breaking the logjam his party has erected in the House?

Obama stopped the 2nd Great Depression when he took office in 2008. The economic situation could have been much much worse as we are globally connected.

Just want to remind you Romney's Economic plan is a Bush Economic Plan that took us into this mess.

Are you ready to go back to Bush's plan? Going BACKWARD to fail again?

Obama's Economic Plan is a Clinton Economic Plan that created the most jobs in recent history. Going FORWARD for a success?

The unemployment rate during the Great Depression for the years 1923-29 was 3.3 percent. In 1931 it jumped to 15.9, in 1933 it was 24.9 percent

This election is a clear choice election and the most important electon in US history. If you want to move FORWARD, not back, please VOTE for Obama, not TWITT.

"the most important election in US history"

Yes, and the last election was the most important in U.S. history, and probably the next one after this will be too, lol.

Romney has a huge resume of job creations, did most of them succeed yes, but a few failed. Based on his work history. He is probably the best one to tackle the economy. Obama and the DNC focused these last 3 days primarily on Abortion, raising taxes, government jobs and immigration, these topics can be dealt with at a later date and time, but the economy can't wait. And yes, no matter what Liberals think, it's Obama's fault, he is the CIC and the buck stops with him. I was hoping to hear more about his plan for creating jobs in the private sector, the stimulus, the affordable care act, but NOTHING. So yes, Obama did fail. Do I know that Romney's got all the answers, No, I do not. However, given his history in the private sector for creating jobs and that over 50% of Americans trust him more about the economy, I think there is a good indication that Romney will create a doable plan to get the economy rolling again.

There's a point often missed ; Presidents don't create jobs, nor do any politicians ( public positions notwithstanding). More importantly is that job creation is not a politicians job nor responsibility, it's not within their authority constitutionally.

Politicians taking credit/blame for job creation is ridiculous. If one party controls the Executive and the other controls the Legislative( as is often the case) both and neither can claim credit nor assign blame.

The role of government is to not impede commerce but to encourage it. The current regulatory environment, primarily stacked against small/medium-sized businesses, is the main economic impediment. All the Big__ have highly paid lobbyists to ensure their industry controls.

The citizens are the ones left holding the bag with mercantilists riding high.

http://www.youtube.com/politics?feature=etp-fc-ype-38

Good watch.

Don't Romney and Ryan understand it's going to take most of President Obama's two terms to fix the mess left by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld?

Jobs numbers as reported by politicians are disingenuous. Check employment Participation as below( a few months old)

http://soberlook.com/2012/02/employment-participation-rate-shows.html?m=0

When the President took office, the economy was losing private sector jobs at a rate of nearly 800,000 a month. Under President Obama, we've started recovering from the worst economic recession since the Great Depression, and have had 30 straight months of private sector job growth -- with 4.6 million private sector jobs created during that period. There's no question that there's much more work to do, but we've done a lot over the past four years to create and save jobs, reform our health care system, and protect equality for all Americans.

1 Promises kept

When he accepted the Democratic Party's nomination for president four years ago, then-Senator Obama promised change -- on issues ranging from health care, to strengthening the middle class, to fighting for greater equality for all Americans -- and he has delivered on that promise.

2 How far we've come

When President Obama took office nearly four years ago, the country was facing two wars and the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. He immediately began working to turn around an economy in free fall, bring the troops home, and lay the foundation for an economy built from the middle out. Four years later, we've added back 4.6 million private sector jobs over 30 straight months of job growth. Retirement balances are 35% higher than they were in 2008, and housing prices are beginning to recover as foreclosures have declined. We've ended the era of "too big to fail," reined in Wall Street practices that take advantage of consumers, and stopped insurance companies from dropping you when you get sick, capping your coverage, or denying children -- and soon, adults -- care because of preexisting conditions.

3 President Clinton fact-checks the GOP

In his speech nominating President Obama for re-election, President Bill Clinton took on some of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan's false attacks point-by-point. Our opponents will no doubt continue to twist the truth in an effort to distort President Obama's record, and it's our job to get the facts out -- just like President Clinton did.

4 The American auto industry

When President Obama took office, the American auto industry faced collapse -- and countless jobs were on the line. Despite Mitt Romney's calls to "let Detroit go bankrupt," the President made the decision to rescue General Motors and Chrysler, saving more than a million jobs. Those companies quickly paid back their outstanding government loans, and now, these American companies are making a steady comeback.

5 Progress on immigration

President Obama has strongly supported the DREAM Act, which would give hardworking students a chance to be part of the country they call home. When Republicans blocked the DREAM Act, President Obama decided to act where Congress wouldn't, and took steps to lift the shadow of deportation from young people who were brought to this country through no fault of their own. President Obama will continue to fight for immigration reform, but the actions he's taken will make a real difference in the lives of many talented, driven, and patriotic young people across America. **

80,000,000 NOT looking for work. Bug number. Obama HAS to go! Romney has to spend 8 years cleaning up for four of Obama's!

Just want to let you know this week alone more than 500,000 volunteers signed up for grassroots campaign working for Obama..

So as of today, there are more than 3 million grassroots Americans working for Obama. Twitt does not win elections, YOU DO. Fired up and let's go!

Heh, if what Mitt Romney is proposing actually worked, GWB would have been the keynote speaker at the RNC.

Says it all. :-)

@globalwatcher: Right. Thats believable...After a 50 percent ratings drop from the convention 4 years ago. LMAO!

Spork: 80,000,000? Not 80,000,000,000? Or even 80,000,000,000,000? Are you counting the cattle too? They aren't working, that's for sure. Maybe Romney has a miraculous job creation scheme for them too. Still, he has to explain how he gonna do it for humans.

Bass4funk: define huge please.

Spin from the Left, spin from the Right, Which pack of lies to believe? Neither.

Not good news for Obama. However, a look at the UK which has implemented the kind of swingeing cuts and austerity measures in the minds of Romney/Ryan has seen the economy flatline. Very little growth, unemployment remaining high and banks still not lending. A return to neoliberal economics is not the answer - it got us where we were in 2008.

Jimizo, US and UK are "apples and oranges", so the economic comparison is irrelevant.

Jimizo: neo-liberalism isn't the problem. Greed and lack of ethics are. Adding more regulations isn't going to solve the problem either.

Total nonsense. The same basic economic principles apply.

Cut spending on people and they have less to spend on the economy.

Economic growth only goes so far.

If a couple receiving child support has that support yanked, as Romney wants to do, the couple will have to find the money from somewhere and if they don't have savings, they will cut their own spending.

Multiply this by 50 million and you've got a recipe for recession.

Thesis so basic it's mind boggling Romney and Ryan don't get it.

Cut spending on people and they have less to spend on the economy.

Tell that to the average American who gets basic economic principles.

Americans have cut household debt by $1.3 trillion since the peak in the third quarter 2008 amid signs of a rebound in the housing market at the center of the 18-month recession that ended in June 2009, according to the report.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-29/new-york-fed-says-household-debt-fell-0-5-in-second-quarter.html

They'd like Government to do exactly the same as they have been doing. 1.3 trillion cut from their previous debt because they know in the long run they will be much better off. They get it that being overloaded with debt is a bad thing and Obama just doesn't..

Rich folk like Romney are heartless, cold blooded, methodical blood sucking leeches who only care about $$$$$$ and power and power and more $$$$$ so if you getting the Bush years treatment and all the lies that got us into this bloody mess in Iraq, go on and vote for the Anti Christ aka Mitt Romney!!

The UK I believe has put in place spending cuts on public services without policies that promote economic expansion so naturally the deficit will continue. Fiscal policies that cut the structural deficit of entitlement programs without incentives for job growth (tax overhaul, deregulation etc) will continue to cause depression and higher unemployment and lower living standards. Spending cuts on social security and Medicare will be replaced with higher spending on food stamps, social security disability and unemployment benefits -- but that is not comparable to anything Romney/Ryan have proposed.

Oh, Mr.Obama is rich too?? Yes but not for many generations like old Mitt Romney, so Mr.Obama left beautiful Hawaii for the harsh winters of the South side of Chicago, so if have to guess which man can understand the average hard working man and woman, that can only mean Mr.Obama!!!

Sail, most of the new debt has come from the 2 wars conservatives supported, the auto bailouts Ryan supported, the stimulus that Ryan supported, the huge health subsidy engineered by the GOP, and the bush tax cuts.

Now Ryan and Romney want to explode the debt even further by cutting taxes (= cutting critical income to pay down the debt) and slashing spending (which will depress consumer spending).

Sail, get back to me if you can explain how depressing consumer spending and slashing government income is going to make the debt go south.

Oh Sail,, sorry, I forget - growth.

That's right - slash taxes to spur growth.

Wrong. Bush tried that.

Epic fail.

@Tumbledry And how can we curb greed and lack of ethics without deregulation? Neoliberalism and deregulation go hand in hand. I'm not sure I follow your logic here.

Obama stopped the 2nd Great Depression when he took office in 2008. The economic situation could have been much much worse as we are globally connected.

With the Stimulus? How many jobs did that create? Hardly any, saved us, but No jobs, so no result and no mention of that at the DNC.

Just want to remind you Romney's Economic plan is a Bush Economic Plan that took us into this mess.

Under Bush for the first first 6 years, we had around 4.7% unemployment compared to now over 8% unemployment

Are you ready to go back to Bush's plan? Going BACKWARD to fail again?

By that logic, compared to now, NOW, it might not be a bad thing.

Obama's Economic Plan is a Clinton Economic Plan that created the most jobs in recent history. Going FORWARD for a success?

You are aware that Clinton cut taxes right? Lowered the Capitol gains tax and investment was up. Remember, Obama is NO Bill Clinton, especially when it comes to the word, compromise!

The unemployment rate during the Great Depression for the years 1923-29 was 3.3 percent. In 1931 it jumped to 15.9, in 1933 it was 24.9 percent

What does that have to do with anything or relevancy of today's economy?

This election is a clear choice election and the most important electon in US history. If you want to move FORWARD, not back, please VOTE for Obama, not TWITT

Yes, if you want BIG GOVERNMENT, BIG ENTITLEMENTS, MASSIVE DEBT and to a party that doesn't care about small business or Entrepreneurs, self reliancene, socialist healthcare, vote for Obama.

Sorry! Make that 'without regulation'

Oh Sail,, sorry, I forget - growth.

That's right - slash taxes to spur growth.

Wrong. Bush tried that.

Epic fail.

Obama, raising taxes, stifling growth, especially in the private sector, oh and by the way, there is no end in sight.

Fail of biblical porportions.

Bass, Clinton raised taxes.

Oh, Mr.Obama is rich too?? Yes but not for many generations like old Mitt Romney, so Mr.Obama left beautiful Hawaii for the harsh winters of the South side of Chicago, so if have to guess which man can understand the average hard working man and woman, that can only mean Mr.Obama!!!

@El

After $2 million who's counting?? Rich is rich! Obama left Hawaii and? Romney built his empire, he didn't have a silver spoon in his mouth, he worked hard for it and it shows, when Obama can make a successful Olympics and make companies and corporations profitable, giving jobs to people and KEEP the economy moving, then he can talk, but for a man that never wants to talk about our national debt and high unemployment, you gotta wonder....

Bass - "es, if you want BIG GOVERNMENT, BIG ENTITLEMENTS..."

Bass, your relatives and family probably claim entitlements. And millions of elderly Americans depend on it?

You're up for slashing it are you?

@Bass Here we go again with 'socialist'. Hasn't anyone told the rightwingers that McCarthy is dead? Is the John Birch Society still kicking around? Under Nixon the rich paid 70% in tax - was he a socialist? Isn't high taxation a mark of the 'socialist' economies of Europe? Can you show how Obama is moving towards state ownership of the means of production? Has Obama radically redistributed wealth? Can you call the UK Conservative party socialist for upholding the idea of FREE healthcare?

Bass - "Yes, if you want BIG GOVERNMENT, BIG ENTITLEMENTS, MASSIVE DEBT and to a party that doesn't care about small business or Entrepreneurs, self reliancene, socialist healthcare, vote for Obama."

Here we go again - the baseless, poIntless, repetitive GOP talking points.

Conservatives only 'hate' big government until they want it or need it, which is often.

Entitlements- are the only income for millions - critical.

Massive debt - the majority of which was cooked up under the GOP.

You're argument is a joke and always has been but thanks for trying.

Can you call the UK Conservative party socialist for upholding the idea of FREE healthcare?

(Psst - Jimizo - with some, logic has no effect.)

GOP junkanomics led to the loss of 750,000 jobs a month and a gloval recession.

Mitt wants to return to that.

Bass, you can argue all you like about Romney's business experience and credentials - you're missing the point entirely. Just look at what he plans to do.

Reduce regulation, cut taxes - these were fundamental mistakes that were both made under bush and look where that go us.

If bush and the GOP had actually had some economic smarts, they could have handed a roaring economy over to Obama. Instead they handed over a crippled economy and now Mitt wants a re-run?

I know you are smarter than that but it's not showing.

@Sushi

Yep, and he also CUT spending.

It's pretty clear why so many conservatives have no idea about basic economics:

They spent 8 years watching bush/GOP junkanomics.

Education, people! (and Romney wants to cut that too to keep the populace docile and voting Republican.)

Unemployment dropped slightly because 400,000 people QUIT LOOKING. Since 2010, the Employment Participation has dropped from 66% to 63% as of March 2012. That 3% of the US population is not retired, not collecting unemployment, not anything . Median income has declined as well as a result of accepting lower paying jobs. Change we can believe in.

21 straight months of job creation under Obama, or a global recession under the GOP, triggered by policies that Romney wants more of?

Hell yeah, the whole world is better off under Obama after 4 years.

China and India would LOVE a Romney presidency - more jobs for their countries.

Thanks Mitt!

Mitt Romney saying he knows how to run the economy is like Todd Akin saying he knows how to run a women's rights organization.

Bass - "Yep, and he [Clinton] also CUT spending."

Obama's keen on that too. $1 trillion off defense.

Paul Ryan also voted to cut $1 trillion off defense.

Then he turned around and slammed the President for ......doing the same!

What. A. Joke.

@Bass Here we go again with 'socialist'. Hasn't anyone told the rightwingers that McCarthy is dead? Is the John Birch Society still kicking around? Under Nixon the rich paid 70% in tax - was he a socialist? Isn't high taxation a mark of the 'socialist' economies of Europe? Can you show how Obama is moving towards state ownership of the means of production? Has Obama radically redistributed wealth? Can you call the UK Conservative party socialist for upholding the idea of FREE healthcare?

I have nothing to do with the UK, I could care less about there problems, they can do whatever they like with their economy, makes no difference to me. I just care about my country. Let's take the example of GM, I had stock in GM, lost a lot of money since Obama took it over, essentially, my stock is worthless, it's like Obama said, screw the share holders and a big portion of them were GM employees, so basically, Obama took over a private company, that is now apart of the government. By the way, how's that Chevy Volt doing? Talk about Nixon, how about talking about another disastrous President, Carter 11% unemployment, long gas lines Under Jimmy Carter, gas prices rose 103.77%! Has Obama distributed wealth, yes, he will. Panasonic’s CEO stated in the interview that the US now receives less of a share of all foreign direct investment than it did in previous years (17% last year compared to 40% ten years ago). And the way Obamais going, the outlook doesn't look that attractive for any foreign investor. Panasonic has closed 24 factories in the US, a reduction of  80% due to competitive pressures, and that the US does not have consistent government policy on inward investment.  He stated: “We can’t have a change in policy every 4 years, we need consistent government policy.” But Obama knows what he's doing and he's handling our economy well. ROFL.....right

@Sushi

That is because Obama wants to increase, increase spending, yeah, you can trim a bit off the military budget, but this radical President doesn't seem to want to cut spending anywhere and yesterday proved it, he failed on the economy, he never spoke about the private sector or mentioned anything about our national debt. He had 3 days and the only thing I heard was ABORTION, IMMIGRATION and MORE BIG GOVERNMENT. That took front and center stage. Economy was as foreign as a Dodo bird!

JimizoSep @Tumbledry And how can we curb greed and lack of ethics without deregulation? Neoliberalism and deregulation go hand in hand. I'm not sure I follow your logic here.

It doesn't go hand in hand. I believe in libertarianism but it takes a great responsibility toward your community. If theft would be legalized, I wouldn't rob you. Why? Because this is wrong to you and my community. I don't want government to dictate me what I can do and not do. Especially now, in our world wide corporato/cleptocracy.

Bass - "That is because Obama wants to increase, increase spending"

You're right. Because unlike many conservatives, he's more than smart enough to understand basic economics - including that slashing budgets and cutting spending in a recession is a recipe for.....an even deeper recession and even more debt.

That's what you'll get with Mitt and you'll be slapping him o the back while your economy tanks even further.

Tax cuts should be abolished (even raised) and the economy deregulated. Both together. No one or the other. The Democrats nor Republicans see it.

If Romney were President over the last term unemployment would be 20%. The republicans and their rich masters caused the financial meltdown and following near depression with their corporate welfare and only rich people matter policies. Now they blame Obama for fixing their mess? What a bunch of liars and hypocrites. McBain-man is a very symbolic leader of the outsource jobs to China movement so Bain could make a fast buck but thousands of Americans lost their jobs. McMorman wanted to let Detroit die and for GM to go belly up costing the US millions of jobs. That is the fact.

The republicans are liars and are the key reason the economy is so bad now. The only hope that the non-rich Americans have going forward is to stay the course with Obama and put more Democrat representatives in Congress to protect them from the republicans. Otherwise it full on depression that bush and his band of idiots were well on their way to creating before Obama stopped the free fall of the US economy.

Like Clinton said, voting for Romney is doubling down on trickle down economics. Basically the idea there is if you give all the money to the rich then maybe they will let a little of their cash make its way down to the rest of America. Long, long, long ago proven as 100% wrong but the republicans got nothing else to use to talk about the economy. Trickle down was big in the 1980s under that failure Reagan.

Basically if the rich had all the money and you had none, they you are better off. Get it? If Romney wins you better get it.

@Tumbledry So how do we instill morals and ethics into profit-driven bankers? Shall we deregulate the economy while sending them to Sunday school? I must have completely misunderstood neoliberalist economics if, as you say, it doesn't see deregulation as a core value.

@Bass I wasn't talking about Carter, I was talking about Nixon. As usual, you didn't address the point. My point was that the Republican Party is now so far to the right, spitting out nonsense like 'socialism' whenever they need a slur. Former Republican presidents like Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford and even Reagan wouldn't stand a chance of being nominated by the GOP now. Why isn't a president playing one of the weakest hands in living memory miles behind in the polls? Precisely because it has become so far right that many Republicans without your selective memory see something that has become a grotesque parody of itself.

Jimizo : So how do we instill morals and ethics into profit-driven bankers? Shall we deregulate the economy while sending them to Sunday school?

Adding more regulation won't either. To put a cap on your business, you'll result to put caps on other, I define good, businesses.

I must have completely misunderstood neoliberalist economics if, as you say, it doesn't see deregulation as a core value.

My mistake. Goes hand in hand.

It's pretty clear why so many conservatives have no idea about basic economics:

That's why over 52% of Americans trust Romney over Obama when it comes the economy.

They spent 8 years watching bush/GOP junkanomics.

I'll take 4.7% of Bush's unemployment Record any day over Obama's 8% current, go figure.

These elections are a bonanza for all forms of advertising. The billionaires giving their easy come money to their multimillionaire advertising agencies, t.v. stations, radio, etc. It's a giant club, paid for by the little guys. After the election you have a billionaire controlled Congress.....nothing for us..... except to pay for it endlessly.

"They'd like Government to do exactly the same as they have been doing. 1.3 trillion cut from their previous debt because they know in the long run they will be much better off. They get it that being overloaded with debt is a bad thing and Obama just doesn't.."

So how will Romney change this, Sailwind?

Apart from declining to offer any insight to his policy at this point, all we've heard is he is planning to increase government spending on defence, and cut taxes.

Bubba nailed the Republican denial in his speech:

"Don't you ever forget when you hear them talking about this that Republican economic policy quadrupled the debt in the 12 years before I took office and doubled the debt in the eight years after I left because it defied arithmetic"

Back to Bush or Forward it is.

Zurc,

"Trickle down was big in the 1980s under that failure Reagan."

And Thatcher who offered the same doomed policies to the UK. It trickled down to a recession there too.

I agree that Reagan might be called too liberal in the primaries because of what he did as governor and so have problems winning. Part of the problem is that the moderates of the Republican party (all the GOP Presidential candidates since Reagan) have poisoned the idea of moderation by either running inept campaigns, compromising from a position of weakness or otherwise not always acting out of principle on fiscal matters and patronizing more conservative members of the party.

But it is the same with the Democrats BTW. Remember JFK was tax cutting, pro-life, military interventionist.....

As things stand right now, the GOP will keep control of the House and have a better-than-even chance of taking control of the Senate. Bill Clinton's most productive years were under the same conditions, with the GOP controlling both houses, because they managed to compromise. Mr. Obama has proven that he is not capable of compromise and if he doesn't, at least the first two years of his next term will be spent spinning wheels. So forget the rhetoric.

For 30 out of 32 months Obama responded to poor job growth indicators by saying "you can read too much into a one month report". Well then Mr Obama, how do you measure progress? Hope? At least Mr. Romney is a business man who knows how to plan a project and measure progress. If he is elected i hope the American people hold his feet to the fire and demand a schedule and progress curve. When the whole team (in the case the American population) know where they stand at any given time they will also know what is needed to achieve success.

"Trickle down was big in the 1980s under that failure Reagan."

Reagan won a 49 state landslide in his re-election due to his supply side economic policies. Seriously doubt Obama is going to achieve that when the votes are counted this time.

"Mr. Obama has proven that he is not capable of compromise and if he doesn't"

You're kidding, right? Obstructionism has been the only policy from the GOP in 3/12 years of opposition.

"At least Mr. Romney is a business man who knows how to plan a project and measure progress"

Being a good businessman doesn't mean you're qualified to be a president. Romney's fortune in made by purchasing struggling companies and paying himself massive amounts before passing them on the receivers.

It's called "asset stripping". It's great when you're out to make a quick buck with no scruples. And that is who and what Mitt Romney is.

"Romney's fortune was in part made" whoops

Sail,

"Reagan won a 49 state landslide in his re-election due to his supply side economic policies."

Well Ronnie had a policy. It's more than we can say for Romney right now, wouldn't you say?

"Vote Romney/Ryan - because Obama is very bad and I'll create a Gazillion Jobs." is about the only substance to date.

800,000,000 NOT looking for work folks,,,,Directly from the department of labor... <>http://cnsnews.com/sites/default/files/documents/record%20high%20of%2088%2C921%2C000.xls<>

800 million people are not looking for work?

Is that worldwide or just in France?

In retrospect, I think you're getting the report confused with the 800 million jobs Romney will create on "day one".

You're kidding, right? Obstructionism has been the only policy from the GOP in 3/12 years of opposition.

The Democratic Party increased its majorities in both chambers in 2008, giving President Obama a Democrat majority in the legislature for the first two years of his presidency. 2010 was a referendum on his first 2 years and the voters turned the Dems. out.

"The Democratic Party increased its majorities in both chambers in 2008, giving President Obama a Democrat majority in the legislature for the first two years of his presidency"

As far as I can tell he wasted the two years trying to reach across the aisles, contrary to your earlier statement.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/117874/first-100-days-obama-seen-making-bipartisan-effort.aspx

He didn't need to "reach across the aisles". He had both houses, the GOP could not stop any legislation he proposed on their own.

Not only that, the Dems had absolute power, period! They have nothing to show for it, if they are so great and did such a good job, why is it that we have a growing $16T debt, that is seeing no end, but Dems and liberals think we need to spend more. Obama never tried to meet with the Republicans on issues down the middle. But of course, they won't meet with a radical president on issues they don't believe in or support and why should they. There was a reason why Obama got a shellacking in 2010.

"Vote Romney/Ryan - because Obama is very bad and I'll create a Gazillion Jobs." is about the only substance to date.

Madverts,

His economic policy speech he made to the Detroit Economic Club in Detroit, Michigan last Feb. If you want policy his details.

In my opinion this is the most vital part he's proposing that will really kick start job growth.

Third, I will promote savings and investment by maintaining the 15% rate on capital gains and dividends. I will eliminate the tax entirely for those with annual income below $200,000. These low tax rates will encourage Americans to save and invest – and they will encourage business investment and economic growth.

http://www.freep.com/article/20120224/NEWS15/120224034/Text-of-Mitt-Romney-s-speech-to-the-Detroit-Economic-Club

I can't tell how many times I would have liked to have shifted some of my regular savings into my investment portfolio in the past but the tax hit prevented me from doing it after all. Hard to take that 15 percent hit right off the top when moving money into investments and have to try to make sure enough tax is with held from my regular income to be able to take the tax hit come tax time if they perform well. Getting rid of this tax on the small guys such as myself will get investment income really moving again in the private economy. And that in the end means real jobs created by the private sector as that private sector seed money really starts to go into action. It's a great policy proposal.

As far as I can tell he wasted the two years trying to reach across the aisles, contrary to your earlier statement.

@Madverts - you're correct of course. Complete control of Congress for 2 years = false you'd believe that only if you weren't paying attention, or you just unthinkingly swallow GOP talking points Wasted too much time trying to reach across the aisle to the GOP= guilty

He also tried to work with Congressional Republicans on Health Care, debt reduction, and jobs, but that didn't work out so well. Probably because, as the Senate Republican leader, in a remarkable moment of candor, said two years before the election, their number one priority was not to put America back to work, but to put President Obama out of work. - Bill Clinton

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lets-just-say-it-the-republicans-are-the-problem/2012/04/27/gIQAxCVUlT_print.html

My bad...too many zero's...that's 80,000,000 in the USA that gave up looking for jobs. much lower than 800,000,00 yet still a damned significant number after billions spent on "shovel ready jobs" and promises from all...

80 million people gave up looking for jobs in the US?

What further proof do you need to clarify Bubba's comments on Republican failure with arithmetic.

Techall,

"He didn't need to "reach across the aisles". He had both houses, the GOP could not stop any legislation he proposed on their own."

Earlier you were claiming Obama refused compromise, which is false.

Had Obama actually passed legislation (which I agree in hindsight he should have) without reaching out to the opposition, why am I certain partisans would be screaming blue murder that Obama had rammed legislation down their throats?

Sail,

Romney's comments (other than the one you cherry-picked) show that his capital gains proposals and corporate tax promises are geared up once again for the 1% elite that he represents. Romney talks about expanding the military, cutting taxes and balancing the budget within a few paragraphs.

Like Mr Clinton said, Republicans defy arithmetic and the party faithful lap it up. Romney has offered no real insight on what policy he would introduce as president to this very day. Why is that? Is it because he has none?

Or is it that the policies he plans represent nothing but a return to the failed presidency of George W Bush, a great contributor of the lunacy that got us all in this mess in the first place?

It's going to take decades to fix the financial mess left by Barack Obama's two terms.

screaming blue murder that Obama had rammed legislation down their throats?

Like Obamacare?

Like Mr Clinton said, Republicans defy arithmetic

Like the Democrats vote on their platform amendment?

"Like Obamacare?"

Didn't the US Supreme Court have something to say about that?

My comments on Republican arithmetic were on candidate Romney's claims of cutting taxes, increasing military spending while balancing the budget. They are no different from his Gazillion Jobs creation claims....

Pure fantasy, but still lapped up and savoured by the party crazies.

"It's going to take decades to fix the financial mess left by Barack Obama's two terms."

For eight years and several handles I watched you cheer on George W Bush.

Gcbel,

"Complete control of Congress for 2 years = false you'd believe that only if you weren't paying attention, or you just unthinkingly swallow GOP talking points"

Republicans and arithmetic.

Stephen Colbert mocked the "better off than four years ago" Romney-mud-slingathon in his usual style:

Four years ago, September 6, 2008. We were still riding high! The emergency bailout of Fannie and Freddie was way in the future! September 7th!

Almost 12 hours from now! And it was over a week before the collapse of Lehman Brothers!

Our nation had seven days of moxie left!

Mitt Romney just wants to take us back to the old policies. Back to the future!

My comments on Republican arithmetic were on candidate Romney's claims of cutting taxes, increasing military spending while balancing the budget.

Okay, how about Obama's plan to use the "war dividend" to pay off the debt? The war is financed by borrowing (debt) so saying your going to use that money to pay off the debt is like saying you're going to use your MasterCard to pay off your VisaCard. It's just shifting the debt.

800 million? 80 million? No wonder the republicans get so many votes from the people they screw over. If you cannot do math well then you will believe anything.

Good point - using money the Republicans spent on their use of the Chinese Fleecer Card on the elusive freedumb for Iraqis and Afghans on Americans instead.

Obviously the money doesn't exist so it is a moot point, but raking up debt spending money on AMERICANS as Obama proposed, rather than spunking trillions upon trillions of dollars of borrowed money on failed wars in ungrateful lands and unhinged attempts at nation-building certainly seems more logical way to get into debt.

My offer to any of our resident hardcore Republicans stands:

How is Mitt Romney going to pay for his proposed tax cuts, increase in military spending and his proposal to balance the budget?

Prove to the rest of us that you're not arithmetically challenged.

Well, no longer. Obama taking $716 million from Medicare to foot Obamacare, so it WILL take even longer to unravel this mess that your President keeps racking up.

Like Mr Clinton said, Republicans defy arithmetic

Erskine Bowles, co-chair of President Barack Obama's budget-deficit commission:

"I always thought that I was okay with arithmetic. [Paul] can run circles around me, and he is honest, he is straightforward, he is sincere."

I'm sure Bass will agree with ya Techall, pour soul, he's still parroting claims by Ryan that already failed the fact checker.

Like Mr Clinton said, Republicans defy arithmetic

Erskine Bowles, co-chair of President Barack Obama's budget-deficit commission:

"I always thought that I was okay with arithmetic. [Paul] can run circles around me, and he is honest, he is straightforward, he is sincere"

Tec,

Maybe you and Bass should stop believing all that crap vomited up in Ryan's diatribe:

http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-rnc-speech-fact-check-misleading-credit-medicare-simpson-bowles-2012-8

"[Paul] can run circles around me, and he is honest, he is straightforward, he is sincere"

Pretty much everyone shredded Paul Ryan's speech at the Republican National Convention on Wednesday night - heh, even of all people Fox "News". In a particularly harshly worded takedown, The Washington Post slammed Ryan's speech as "breathtakingly dishonest."

"How is Mitt Romney going to pay for his proposed tax cuts"

Tax cuts are not "paid for," they promote economic growth which puts more money in everyone's pocket, including the government's.

And why did Obama extend the Bush tax cuts if they were only for the rich, eh?

"Tax cuts are not "paid for," they promote economic growth which puts more money in everyone's pocket, including the government's."

This was Bush's argument.

What happened?

Mad,

Maybe you should stop believing all that crap vomited up at the Democrat's convention?

Mad,

wanna swap video links?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbzpuqWo6yU&feature=player_embedded

And again, Republican arithmetic rears it's ugly head:

"Tax cuts are not "paid for" "

??

Cut taxes and you have to find the revenue elsewhere.....

Really, this isn't even remedial level. Thanks for proving my point.

"Vice President Joe Biden"

We don't see him too much these days. Looking foward to his debate with Ryan.

"Cut taxes and you have to find the revenue elsewhere"

Ever hear of

a) cut spending

b) cutting taxes promotes economic growth, which puts more money in everyone's pockets, including the government's

Really, this isn't even remedial level.

"Ever hear of a) cut spending"

So you're proposing to reduce spending by cutting taxes and increasing (incredibly) your military budget?

"cutting taxes promotes economic growth, which puts more money in everyone's pockets, including the government's Really, this isn't even remedial level."

You claimed this back when you supported George W Bush for eight years on Japan Today.

What happened?

Mad:

Fact checker:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/fact-checking-bill-clintons-speech-and-other-democrats-at-the-convention-in-charlotte/2012/09/06/55b9df68-f7e1-11e1-8b93-c4f4ab1c8d13_blog.html

"So you're proposing to reduce spending by cutting taxes and increasing ( incredibly ) your military budget?"

I'm not proposing increasing the military budget. Please don't put words in my mouth.

And are you saying that cutting taxes doesn't promote economic growth?

And why did Obama extend the Bush tax cuts?

You found a blog to agree with you? How nice. None of you have had the guts to won up to Ryan's lies, Bass is even regurgitating them weeks after they were flushed into the toilet bowl of history...

"But with few exceptions, we found his stats checked out."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-09-06/clinton-fact-check-democratic-convention/57627036/1

Get back to me on Ryan's "facts", yeah?

"I'm not proposing increasing the military budget. Please don't put words in my mouth."

Rmoney is, therefore you are.

"And are you saying that cutting taxes doesn't promote economic growth?"

I'm saying Bush did, and that you (well, heh, you back in the day) told us this is what would happen.

So, Mr ardent Bush supporter, what happened?

I am an American and I can tell you that unless all Americans get out and vote in November, nothing is going to change in American Politics. It is not who we vote in for President, but who we vote out in the House and Senate. Any sitting Congressperson and Senator needs to go. This country has a choke hold on it by the dirty dozen, who are they; they are the people that have made a lifestyle living in Washington. We sent them to Washington to do a job that would ensure that America is kept on the right path and allow us to continue to shine. All that they have done is to drag this great country down and put us in the mess that we are now in. They went to Washington, not to do what is best for the country as a whole, but spend their time, thinking about the next election and how to get reelected. America is 50 great states. We are not 13 colonies anymore and what happens to one state out of 50, affects us all. I am not a republican or a democrat, I am an American and I just want the best for this great country of ours. I do feel that Obama needs to be able to have another 4 years in office. I do not see anything in Romney that makes me feel that he can do any better than Obama. Again, until we clean out the old guard, nothing will change. Please Amreica, Vote in November

Good Morning everyone on JT.

Here is the most updated campaign information for OBAMA I would like to share with you.

We had a goal of 600,000 grassroots registraton in one week -- and we blew right through it.

I almost can't believe it, but we could actually hit 700,000!!

If you are following a man carrying a touch of "TRUTH" to Washington, let's go and win. We can do it. Hope is still well alive.

"( Romney ) is, therefore you are"

Nope, I don' t agree with all of Romney's policies/ideas.

Are you saying letting people have more of their money to spend as they see fit is a bad thing?

"I do feel that Obama needs to be able to have another 4 years in office"

Why?

If you are following a man carrying a touch of "TRUTH" to Washington, let's go and win.

Yep, been waiting four years for that TRUTH. Any idea what happened to it on the way to Washington? Might have fallen off somewhere around Trenton.

I wont have to wait another four years for the TRUTH will I?

"Are you saying letting people have more of their money to spend as they see fit is a bad thing?"

George W Bush sold his tax cuts on this very platform.

What happened?

Republicans are arithmetically challenged. Old Friend Spork has proved this up above.

When President Obama took office, the American auto industry faced collapse -- and countless jobs were on the line. Despite Mitt Romney's calls to "let Detroit go bankrupt," the President made the decision to rescue General Motors and Chrysler, saving more than a million jobs. Those companies quickly paid back their outstanding government loans, and now, these American companies are making a steady comeback.

@ globalwatcher: A little misleading. THe Dems like you like to keep saying that Obama "saved" Detroit, but he didn't, he saved the UAW. I normally don't agree with him, but Mihael Moore had an interesting article on the HuffPost.

Moore pointed out in his article that:

"'Detroit' (and Flint and Pontiac and Saginaw)," continued Moore, "are not defined by the global corporations who suck our towns dry and then split town to make more money elsewhere (except, of course, they continued to design and built crap cars, so eventually they didn't make the money at all). These cities in Michigan are about the people who live here, and in the process of 'saving Detroit,' Mr. Obama had to fire thousands of these people, and reduce the benefits and pensions of those who were left."

Ford Motors didn't take any of the money, and they sold off part of the company and came out ahead. GM is now claiming that it may have to file BK again. I don't agree with much of Moore's work, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Obama didn't save Detroit, it still is an economic nightmare.

But I guess Michale Moore's article will be seen as just some Hollywood type trying to comment on things he doesn't know. Funny, he seemed to be "enlightened" when he was bashing the GOP and "W" in the past.

"Are you saying letting people have more of their money to spend as they see fit is a bad thing?"

George W Bush sold his tax cuts on this very platform.

What happened?

Obama kept them in place.

No, I meant what happened to the multitude of benefits promised on the trickle down? But nice try at obfuscation.

Oh, how I remember your arguments back in 2004....

"Tax cuts are not "paid for," they promote economic growth which puts more money in everyone's pocket, including the government's."

Look at Hollywood. Why is it that many films and TV series are now being filmed outside of LA? Because other areas and countries (i.e. Canada) offer studios tax breaks to film there. The movie, "Battle Los Angeles" was not filmed in LA, but the other LA (Louisiana) because New Orleans offered them lower tax incentives to film there. What's more, the local film industry in the area gets the jobs, and the support people (the ones like catering, and other people that are local that help out in the filming) get the work, which they are paid for and for which they pay taxes. Meanwhile, those same support people in LA who do those jobs, get no work. It may be jsut for a few months in filming a movie, but when you film a TV series in a location other than high taxes LA, you are there longer and the local economies get a bigger boost, while LA's get none.

No, I meant what happened to the multitude of benefits promised on the trickle down? But nice try at obfuscation.

Oh, how I remember your arguments back in 2004....

I'd rather you remember my arguments in 2009 on J.T when Obama's stimulus plan was passed........To refresh your memory and all posters here from the archives.

sailwindFeb. 11, 2009 - 12:34PM JST

Do any other Republicans/conservatives out there have a better plan than the one being offered?

Spending Freeze across the board with the exception of Social Security and Veterans benefits.

Abolish the Capital Gains tax completely. Allow investors to put money into companies that actually make stuff and create jobs and not be penalized for it anymore.

Cut the corporate tax rate from 39.8 percent to 12.9 percent to match Irelands (A country that since she did that has experienced the highest level of prosperity in her long history now).

Do that and Sit back and let Americans do what they do best, make stuff the world wants and can't seem to live without (windows, McDonalds, Coca-Cola) all brought to you by private investment capital.

Free it up again and tell Government to get the heck out of the way with the exception of tight regulation to ensure that law-breakers and ponzi type schemes are punished to the full extant of the law.

Free the capital to work again in the private sector and enforce the rules.........Two step solution that works, not this pork party, that unfortunately is going to pass and be signed so my plan is moot anyway.

Hopefully after this boondoogle failure my plan will start to get real traction again, that is if there is any capital left in the private sector to actually invest again after this nothing but Bush 2 economic plan shows that tax cuts, borrow and spend, spend, spend didn't work the first time.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/06/jennifer-granholm-speech-democratic-convention_n_1863181.html

@Alphaape, this is another by HuffPost you may watch. Auto industry is now out of recession and doing a lot better than 4 years ago. She is a great person and I would not be surprised if she becomes a VP choice in 2016.

"'d rather you remember my arguments in 2009 on J.T when Obama's stimulus plan was passed.."

I certainly remember last year when you were incredibly advocating America default on her debt when the Republicans brinkmanship nearly caused the US to collapse.

But let's remain with the subject we were on, that none of you want to address. 2004. When you Repubs were talling us that we needn't concern ourselves with paying for the wars in Iraq. Or that Iraq itself would be paying for the 3 trillion dollar intervention.........

....And the trickle-down Bush tax cuts, the one's that Romney is proposing to actually increase.

Along with increasing the military budget.

And balancing the budget!

Please, explain how he's going to achieve all that (without mentioning Obama or the Democrats once) and I'll accept the Romney plan (which we've yet to see in detail) is not arithmetically challenged.

Abolish the Capital Gains tax completely. Allow investors to put money into companies that actually make stuff and create jobs and not be penalized for it anymore.

That's how Japan got into trouble. Look at their mess now

Free it up again and tell Government to get the heck out of the way with the exception of tight regulation to ensure that law-breakers and ponzi type schemes are punished to the full extant of the law.

These people advocating this ideology believe to "Privatize" all social infrastructures into vouchure systems including Police, Fire Fighters, Schools. How does it work?

Look at Hollywood. Why is it that many films and TV series are now being filmed outside of LA? Because other areas and countries (i.e. Canada) offer studios tax breaks to film there. The movie, "Battle Los Angeles" was not filmed in LA, but the other LA (Louisiana) because New Orleans offered them lower tax incentives to film there. What's more, the local film industry in the area gets the jobs, and the support people (the ones like catering, and other people that are local that help out in the filming) get the work, which they are paid for and for which they pay taxes. Meanwhile, those same support people in LA who do those jobs, get no work. It may be jsut for a few months in filming a movie, but when you film a TV series in a location other than high taxes LA, you are there longer and the local economies get a bigger boost, while LA's get none.

Every city and every state are competing for local job growth in global economy. All political leaders have to offer a solid package or vision to business if they are thinking about job growth. Also imprving education level is a key among business leaders as they are looking for business marginal cost, talents.and skills

....And the trickle-down Bush tax cuts, the one's that Romney is proposing to actually increase.

Along with increasing the military budget.

Romney doesn't have a prayer of increasing the defense budget. Repeal the 2011 Budget Control Act to gut the middle class and save a few hundred thousand military jobs ? Are you kidding ? It's a jobs program to help electorally in swing states like Virginia and Ohio.

Every city and every state are competing for local job growth in global economy. All political leaders have to offer a solid package or vision to business if they are thinking about job growth. Also imprving education level is a key among business leaders as they are looking for business marginal cost, talents.and skills

@ globalwatcher: Yes they do. And to get an incentive for business to settle there, they use measures that an employee can readily feel like tax cuts. Tell me, which place has more people familiar with the film industry, and has a solid base of professionals that know how to make films. In America that would be LA, or NYC. Yet, as in the example I cited, with all of that knowledge and talent base they have, the film stuido (based in LA) decided it would be to their advantage to go to New Orleans to film a movie about events in LA, rather than stay there and film it. All of those things you described about talent, skills, and marginal cost didn't matter. They found a place that was willing to give them incentives to work there.

Same thing to a degree with reforming the US tax code. If I were lucky enough to make a lot more than I am now, I would hope that a tax cut would be in the future. I woulld have more money to invest, or to buy things to "stimulate" the economy. But if I have to worry about what Obama will do to increase my tax rate, along with all of the other local tax rate that I pay that want an increase, then people will have less money to spend.

global, in your defensive position regarding the auto industry bailout, you're turning a blind eye to some critical facts. As AlphaApe pointed out quoting Michael Moore's article, all is NOT well there in Michigan. Ford, which did not participate in the bailout is doing well( better), but GM is likely headed for another bankruptcy. The speech video which you linked is contrary to industry fact, but makes for frenzied political fiction( based very loosely on a true story, like a lot of Hollywood films).

On a side note, are you saying she would only be qualified enough to run for VP? Are you saying a woman doesn't qualify to run for President as a Democrat?

globalwatcherSep. 08, 2012 - 10:38AM JST 5 Progress on immigration President Obama has strongly supported the DREAM Act, which would give hardworking students a chance to be part of the country they call home. When Republicans blocked the DREAM Act, President Obama decided to act where Congress wouldn't, and took steps to lift the shadow of deportation from young people who were brought to this country through no fault of their own. President Obama will continue to fight for immigration reform, but the actions he's taken will make a real difference in the lives of many talented, driven, and patriotic young people across America. **

Huh? "Brought to this country through no fault of their own", sure, their parents broke the law. Why should their kids get privilage to cut in front of the line because their parents broke the law. They are illegals. They should go back to their own country and wait like everybody else. Why should U.S. reward these people that broke the law. What your saying is if the person play the rules of the U.S., by waiting many years in line to immigrate to U.S., they will finish last. My advise is go back to your country and wait in line for a legal process like everybody else. There should be no shortcuts period.

nothing surprising about Romney pouncing on Obama. Obama did a lot of pouncing on Bush. The economy, the injustice of Guantanomo ....

sfjp330Sep. 11, 2012 - 06:20AM JST

My advise is go back to your country and wait in line for a legal process like everybody else. There should be no shortcuts period.

Please evaluate a guide line of Dream Act. Not everyone becomes American citizen automatically.

These kids are Americans. Many were born and raised in America. This is the only country they know. I know one college student who was just accepted to pre med program. I know she will make an excellent medical doctor and contributing a lot to American society.

Herve Nmn L'EisaSep. 09, 2012 - 11:54AM JST

global, in your defensive position regarding the auto industry bailout, you're turning a blind eye to some critical facts. As AlphaApe pointed out quoting Michael Moore's article, all is NOT well there in Michigan. Ford, which did not participate in the bailout is doing well( better), but GM is likely headed for another bankruptcy. The speech video which you linked is contrary to industry fact, but makes for frenzied political fiction( based very loosely on a true story, like a lot of Hollywood films).

On a side note, are you saying she would only be qualified enough to run for VP? Are you saying a woman doesn't qualify to run for President as a Democrat?

@Herve, this is a truth about US Auto Industry. They are doing great.

ABC News tonight has suggested as listed below:

1)Almost 800,000 jobs were lost before and right after Obama took office in 2008. Obama has created over 1.5 million jobs in the past 3.5 years that is more than what Bush did during his 8 years in the office.

2)American auto industry is out of recession today. They are now in full gears. Cars are selling.

GM production is up more than 10% since Obama took office.

Ford production is up more than 16% since Obama took office.

Crysler production is uip more than 14% since Obama took office.

We are doing a lot better today than what it was since Obama took office in Washington 3.5 years ago.

I believe she is great. Too many political talents in Democrats including Baiden, Clinton,,,, too many to list here.

Americans are just returning to the Workforce offices after the students return to school. This is a seasonal occurrance but the motivation is for those upset with the current administration to deliever to the country the bad news of the masses attempting to seek employment.