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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov accused the United States on Monday of plunging the Middle East into chaos and fueling the rise of extremists because of its drive to dominate the world.

And it would be such a lovely Soviet driven domination...

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It is easy for one corrupt petro state to accuse the US of giving too much money to another corrupt petro state. AFAIAC Russia helped cause ISIS by giving too many weapons to Assad.

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You can like Russia or not, but he is totally correct with the statement. The current ISIS disaster is a creation by the West, with Obamas et al bone-headed support for islamist "freedom fighters".

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Russian argument: Blaming America for bringing chaos to the Middle East, which is such a terrible, terrible thing, whereas bringing chaos to Eastern Europe is completely acceptable.

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Putin will say and do anything to cover up his stalin-like philosophy. He will "string along" anyone or any country as long as he can postpone any intervention. Once a KGB, always a KGB. Japan needs to add on its own with sanctions rather than following the USA sanctions until he folds just to show him who really is in charge. Hello China, SK, et al. Are you in for freedom or for the money? Probably $$$ because it isn't in your backyard. SAD.

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The accusation may be somewhat correct, it's the accuser I take issue with.

When Russia pumps trillions into rebuilding Ukraine, helping them to have free and fair elections and returns Crimea to atone for its warmongering perhaps they can mount that horse.

In the meantime they should STFU.

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Madverts, I have better idea. US should pump trillions into Serbia, to rebuild the destroyed country of Yugoslavia (of course, with Kosovo as an integral part of the country), then pump trillions into Afghanistan and Iraq (I mean into their national economies, not into green zones for US diplomats, firebases, arms, kickbacks to local "warlords" etc), rebuild the destroyed country of Lybia, depose its stooges at Kiev (it's nice that you wish "free and fair election" there, admitting that the present puppet Poroshenko is not elected free and fair), stop supplying arms to "moderate opposition" in Syria (this "moderates" then cross the border and oooops, instantly become real bad ISIS guys). And of course US should sincerely atone for the countless thousands of people killed in all these countries. Untill then, yes, STFU - that's exactly what they should do.

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I'm not sure where to start with that rant. Surely therefore you are demanding Russia should pay heavy reparations to Afghanistan for their barbaric intervention and occupation of Afghanistan? Or has Putin rewritten the history books as well as murdering and jailing all dissenters to his dictatorship?

Being neither Russian nor American I can sit on the fence and bring up the atrocities and woeful interventions from either side. Or from my own countries' pasts, birth and adopted. But that's pointless.

Nothing will change the fact that these comments are immensely hypocritical. No amount of paid internet trolls, no amount of methamphetamine. The Russian dictator has and is formenting chaos in Eastern Europe, and illegally annexed Crimea. That's why Russia should STFU and get down from that hoss. That you don't like having that pointed out changes nothing.

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Soviet Russia US pot kettle black

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it's a good think Russia hasn't brought chaos anywhere in its history..especially its recent history..

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donkusai:

" Russian argument: Blaming America for bringing chaos to the Middle East, which is such a terrible, terrible thing, whereas bringing chaos to Eastern Europe is completely acceptable. "

Actually no, it is the US and EU which are bringing chaos to Eastern Europe by their determined and hypocritical drive to expand Nato right to Russia´s borders. Why does Nato still exist anyway? Nato was founded to counter the Warsaw pact; the Warsaw Pact was abandoned, and Nato now plays aggressor. Insane!

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I'm not sure where to start with that rant

Madverts, you can start your rant with trying to be really objective, not just claiming to be "on the fence".

I don't understand why you picked the Soviet war in Afghanistan (then may be we should discuss the war in Vietnam??). Never mind, let's talk about Afghanistan. There two main differences in Afghanistan conflicts. First, Soviet troops were in the country with approval of its government, US first invaded, bombed everything they could find, made a comedy show of "free elections" and then forced their presence on poor Karzai. Second, Soviets not only fought in Afghanistan, they also trained many thousands of doctors, teachers, engineers, some of them work even now. Did US anything like that? Who benefitted from the US invasion, except US weaponry makers, guns-for-hire of all sorts, booze dealers, local hookers and heroin makers? After the US invasion Afghanistan became the top heroin producer. Nice achievement!

In Iraq much more Iraqis were killed since 2003 then during the whole Saddam reign. Then Lybia - sure, Qaddafi was not a nice man, but at least under him Lybia was a stable country. Now it is not a country, just a devastated territory, much of it controlled now by Islamists (hello, ISIS). And now US try to destroy the ONLY SECULAR regime in the Middle East (Syria). Hands are itching for action on the name of democracy? First, clean up your mess, deal with ISIS in Iraq.

Objectively, Mr.Lavrov was absolutely right.

No amount of paid internet trolls, no amount of methamphetamine.

can deny that.

Oh, yess, Crimea. Can you tell me why to bomb another country and carve out a part of it to make a failed narco-state (Kosovo) is "good, democratic", but a peaceful vote (without a single shot!) to return where you belong for three centuries (Crimea) is "bad, undemocratic"?

Anyway, US should scrap its double standards, stop being "immensely hypocritical", otherwise STFU with all their Psakibots.

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Well said. As much as i hate to admit, you're about 80% right, I cannot retort. Asakaze, Kudos-

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Just because Russia has limited its direct bullying to neighbors like Georgia, Chechnya, and now Ukraine, doesn't mean they haven't kept in power some of the worst dictators in the world. Russia has never been on the side of freedom and democracy, whereas the US occasionally is.

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"Anyway, US should scrap its double standards"

This was my point from the beginning. You're shrieking at the Americans yet refuse to acknowledge Russia has invaded and occupied countries in recent history. It murdered millions upon millions upon millions of its' own population. It's doing it know using your "rebels" as proxies, a new style of warfare setting a very dangerous precedent.

I realise you aren't going to climb down from that hoss, but I should inform you that it's normally the pony that wears the blinkers, not the other way 'round.

Cheers

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Why does Nato still exist anyway? Nato was founded to counter the Warsaw pact; the Warsaw Pact was abandoned, and Nato now plays aggressor. Insane!

Actually, NATO was formed in 1949 and the Warsaw Pact was formed afterwards, in 1955. There are number of reasons why NATO was created, and one of them was to provide for collective defense against the Soviet Union.

it is the US and EU which are bringing chaos to Eastern Europe by their determined and hypocritical drive to expand Nato right to Russia´s borders.

There's a reason former Warsaw Pact members elected to join NATO. Also you should know that the right to collective self-defense is enshrined in the UN Charter. Nothing in the charter states that Russia's neighbors aren't afforded the same right. Russia can have no such expectation. It's a bit cheeky for Russia to object to the expansion of a collective defense organization to the very countries that the USSR (the state Russia is the successor to) invaded and occupied during most of the 20th century.

Russia, the nuclear power, feels threatened?? Estonia feels threatened when Russia kidnaps its citizens. Ukraine, whose territorial integrity Russia guaranteed in the Budapest Memorandum in 1994 feels threatened. Poland feels threatened when Russia simulates nuclear attacks on Warsaw as they did 2 years ago. The Kazakhs feel threatened when Putin makes comments that question it's legitimacy as an independent state. Russia's the one seeking to intimidate by resuming Cold war-era simulated bombing runs against the UK and disrupting civil aviation.

Russia's three wars since the end of the Soviet Union proves there's one other good reason for NATO's continued existence.

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Russia has invaded and occupied countries in recent history

Very intriguing. Can you supply us with the list of these countries?

using your "rebels" as proxies, a new style of warfare setting a very dangerous precedent

Really? How nice. I believed that US used "moderate Syrian opposition" as proxies. Or it doesn't set "a very dangerous precedent"? .

Russia's three wars since the end of the Soviet Union proves there's one other good reason for NATO's continued existence.

If we count all wars US-NATO started since the end of the Soviet Union we can come to conclusion that the world needs a robust defence organization against them.

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If we count all wars US-NATO started since the end of the Soviet Union we can come to conclusion that the world needs a robust defence organization against them

Feel free. Funny thing though, that Russia is in the position of whining about the expansion defence organization to protect against... Russia ! Guess "we" came to a different conclusion. Care to guess why?

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