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Ukraine trying to end battlefield stalemate in what may be start of counteroffensive

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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols-ukraine.html

US media seems to be turning on Ukraine.

oh wait, they just don’t know what those symbols mean. Yeah, that’s it!

So you can no longer argue in support of Russia's military success in Ukraine, so the next attempt to change the topic.

You can have racists people in your country and still have the right to defend your country in an unprovoked war from evil invaders.

The article is not discussing Nazi's. Is that correct?

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It does show that Russia’s anti-Nazi narrative was purely trash. There is A LOT of propaganda on both sides. Propaganda is a weapon of war. If you’re only trying to call out propaganda, call it all out, not just Ukrainian, because if you don’t you absolutely are supporting Russia.

Russia is beginning to lose the misinformation war they started.

Russian TV airs apparent deepfake video of Putin ordering martial law amid reports Ukraine is on the attack

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-tv-airs-apparent-deepfake-183915386.html

The Russian border regions are already starting to panic causing Putin to look even weaker and to become even more desperate.

The revolution is actually being televised!

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Because it already started.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4034623-ukraines-counteroffensive-appears-to-have-started-heres-what-to-know/

That is not what the military experts say.

Counteroffensive? Probing defenses? A look at the fighting in Ukraine

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/2023/06/05/ukraine-russia-war-counteroffensive-moscow-kyiv-tactics/83f75062-03c0-11ee-b74a-5bdd335d4fa2_story.html?isMobile=1

A precursor to counteroffensive is not the same as a start to a counteroffensive.

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Even the Russian people are skeptical of these reports of Russia's recent success. It has got so bad that Putin is sending religious relics to the battlefield and released religious museum pieces to the Russian orthodox church, so the church can ask for more donations in exchange the church will try to convince the Russian people it is a holy war. The Anti-Putin Russians attacking on Russian soil has made the paranoid Putin look extremely weak!

The Kremlin was quick to declare the attack repulsed, but several in Russia’s community of ultra-nationalist military bloggers were more sceptical. Relying on their own sources, they suggested Ukraine had made some initial gains.

Russian bloggers fill in counteroffensive blanks as Kyiv’s troops probe frontline

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/05/ukraine-counter-attack-looks-imminent-as-troops-search-for-russian-weaknesses

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elephant2000 wrote:

Good job, Russia!

Zelensky and military did a better job!

Ukrainian army destroys Russia’s mainland route to Crimea with blasts in Berdyansk and Melitopol

https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-army-destroys-russia-mainland-143500660.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Good job, Ukraine!

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Melitopol was the real target. The ruse in Donetsk means that the Ukrainians have the means of destroying russian logistics, supply depots, and command centers in all of the occupied Ukrainian mainland, and including the northern 1/3 of Crimea, from their front lines, there is no need to rush men and equipment into battles along those lines. Next is destruction of the Kerch Bridge. Panic should be setting in soon among Russians and Russian troops in Crimea. With the land supply route cut, the bridge is the only route of resupply and retreat, other than by ferry.

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after checking other sources than JT it seems that that offensive is kind of ...shame but dressing nice clothes.

I suggest to all proUA fans here go to first line and fight against moskals,dont waste your time here,just go and defeat shovel equipped russians!

Or we can just listen to more reliable sources:

Russian attempts to waste Ukraine's advanced air-defense missiles with cheap drones are failing, UK intel says

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-attempts-waste-ukraines-advanced-135835658.html

or we can discuss the Russian are eating each other because the Russian offensive so "successful"

Wagner Parades Captured Russian Colonel as Feud With Kremlin Boils Over

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wagner-parades-captured-russian-colonel-102837183.html

Either way Russia and Putin is looking weak.

Wagner is taking Russian hostages to embarrass his own country!

You cannot make this up!

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Ukrainian army advances on Bakhmut front, capturing strategic heights – Ukraine's Deputy Defence Minister

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-army-advances-bakhmut-front-154059560.html

There it is!

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Wagner Parades Captured Russian Colonel as Feud With Kremlin Boils Over

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wagner-parades-captured-russian-colonel-102837183.html

After identifying himself, Lieutenant Colonel Roman Venevitin, reportedly the commander of Russia’s 72nd Motorized Rifle Brigade says in the video that he “opened fire” on the vehicle while “intoxicated from alcohol.” When asked why he’d done so, he answers: “Due to my personal animosity.” Pressed by his interrogator as to why he has animosity toward Wagner, Venevitin appears dejected and says: “I don’t know.”

> Venevitin also goes on to confess that he and a group of 10 to 12 of his Russian army subordinates had “disarmed” a Wagner rapid response group, again citing his “personal animosity” as the motivation. “What do you think, does personal animosity have any place at all in war?” the interrogator asks. “No,” Venevitin says. “How can your actions be characterized?” the interrogator replies. Venevitin sighs and answers: “Guilty.”

Can we discuss the implosion within the dysfunctional Russian ranks?

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Russian Volunteer Corps and Freedom of Russia Legion said they killed a colonel of Russian Armed Forces in Belgorod Oblast

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-volunteer-corps-freedom-russia-174121839.html

> Freedom of Russia Legion claims destruction of Russian tanks and armored personnel carriers – video

https://news.yahoo.com/freedom-russia-legion-claims-destruction-105800780.html

Now that they've established a presence in the region, they should hold a "referendum" over whether it should join Ukraine or remain part of Russia....... (That's how it works, right?)

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Ukrainian forces were making a major effort to end a battlefield stalemate and punch through Russian defensive lines in

What a shame that Ukrainian forces and Ukrainian civilian lives along with Russian military and civilian populations continue to be at risk because Putin and the Kremlin, Prizoghin and other Slavic gangsters want to re-establish Soviet Union part 2. The Russian Federation controls roughly 11% of the globe's land mass, and yet it still wants more.China is the third largest geographically and it still ants more. Predatory state capitalism if left unchecked will continue to devour larger portions of the globe and tae more resources so the ruling castes in Russia and China can live even more lavishly.

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Official message of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation just some time ago.

Right, because the Russian government never lies, and has no reason to do so. Lol

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We will know at the end just how successful this counter offensive is, if indeed this is it.

Until then, the spewings of the Russian disinformation cliché is just the modern iteration of Bagdad Bob and his confident "all is well" comedy tour.

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somebody say to that globetrotter in Kiev that battles winners are decided in battel and not on pages of friendly proUA media...

question-how many UA people still have to die that west will come to its basic senses and will realize that there is nothing like defeat of Russia and military solution?

How many Russians have to die before land is returned, and Putin is removed from office by natural or unnatural means?

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There's always a bunch of stuff being made up !

It's gotten so ridiculous .

The link posted above actually provides a news story of the Wagner group posting the video themselves of their fellow Russian soldier that they captured.

Wagner Parades Captured Russian Colonel as Feud With Kremlin Boils Over

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wagner-parades-captured-russian-colonel-102837183.html

Ukraine looks weak because they cant drive out the Russians.

Honestly get realistic please

Except Russia was suppose to take Ukraine in two weeks over a year ago. Who looks weaker? Try again!

Honestly, get realistic please.

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YrralToday 07:04 am JST

Taiwan,if people fought like you,they would been dead along time ago,you never fought anyone in your whole life

I don't have to. I just have to tell people the truth that surrender to a Nazi regime is a death sentence for your country, culture, language, and most likely you.

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Odd. I haven’t seen anyone asking when the counter offensive is going to start… At least for a couple of days. I wonder what direction their angle is going to go now. They’re probably off quietly working on it.

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We are talking about Russia here, the worlds second-largest military power. 

Russia lost that claim a long time ago.

when push comes to shove, they have a scary arsenal in reserve.

They have nukes in reserve and not much else. Yes, nukes are scary, but the world shouldn’t just let any country with nukes attack its neighbors with impunity because we are scared of their nukes.

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Ah the allusive counteroffensive.

Well I guess the MSM has to spread something to keep failures unspoken.

Apparently you know more than the parties involved!

Russia's Wagner boss scoffs at Moscow claims it inflicted huge Ukraine losses

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-says-thwarts-another-major-220903285.html

Please, enlighten us!

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Fight like your life depends on it Ukraine, because it probably does.

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Apologies Blacklabel. I meant to say “anyone who was continuously asking”

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And does anyone think it will be any more effective than the previous ones?

I’m curious to see what line of argument these Russian apologists intend to adopt when it is.

Was the whole invasion of Ukraine a feint?

Russia was looking to downsize and who really needs Belogorod anyway?

We were looking to reform our military into one run mainly by a caterer with an army of enslaved convicts and a Chechen warlord who are constantly at each other’s throats, mainly in order to pitch the concept as a reality TV show?

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Did I miss this? 

Apparently.

seems Russia still owns a large portion of Ukraine.

Yeah, Germany still occupied all of Norway on May 7, 1945 too. Didn't mean they were winning the war. If it helps you sleep at night though by all means cling to that fantasy.

So it takes 16 months of losing your own land to punch someone once?

Russian army has been beaten to a pulp over the last 16 months.

So your claim is Ukraine has not punched Russia (yet)?

No, that was a metaphor. The reality is that there is almost nothing left of the army that Putin sent over the border in February last year. What Putin has in there now is a bunch of mobiks and convicts with 1960s era equipment. The Russians have already been driven out of half the territory they seized last year, and are about to be driven from the rest. Just be patient.

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I find it strange that the media have now reported a significant loss suffered by Ukraine. Up to now losses were not reported of spun differently. As for the 'stalemate', this has been a war of attrition in which Ukraine has incurred massive loses at the hands of Russian artillery, drones and missiles - this has not been reported of course.

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Ah… shovels. I should have guessed.

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5 June 2023 isn’t new?

The article may be new, the claim isn't.

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Ah the allusive counteroffensive.

Its interesting to watch the various coping mechanisms deployed by the Putin fans after 16 months of humiliation.

This one is the equivalent of a little guy mocking the punching skills of a very strong guy based solely on the fact that he hasn't been punched by that guy yet.

Needless to say, once the the punch lands they'll have to come up with a new one (a pattern they've gotten used to).

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It does show that Russia’s anti-Nazi narrative was purely trash. There is A LOT of propaganda on both sides. Propaganda is a weapon of war. If you’re only trying to call out propaganda, call it all out, not just Ukrainian, because if you don’t you absolutely are supporting Russia.

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Did I miss this? seems Russia still owns a large portion of Ukraine.

Everyone saw the attempt to take Kiev and the withdrawal in failure. Everyone saw Kharkiv and Kherson be liberated by Ukraine. In terms of military goals Russia is down to "land bridge" and who knows how long that will last.

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We are talking about Russia here, the worlds second-largest military power. Corrupt and poorly-led as Russia may be, when push comes to shove, they have a scary arsenal in reserve. Much as I may support Ukraine, I have no wish to see WW3 erupt in Europe.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols-ukraine.html

This isn't new. Nor does it justify the invasion. This is, however, essentially the same rhetoric the Kremlin uses to do so.

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after 16 months of humiliation.

Did I miss this? seems Russia still owns a large portion of Ukraine.

 a very strong guy based solely on the fact that he hasn't been punched by that guy yet.

So it takes 16 months of losing your own land to punch someone once?

So your claim is Ukraine has not punched Russia (yet)?

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I thought it was ok for soldiers to wear Nazi symbols

Not for the side that my country is funding and arming as claiming as the righteous one.

No, not ok at all. You know better.

Russia can do whatever they want, we aren’t funding or supporting them.

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Ah the allusive counteroffensive.

Well I guess the MSM has to spread something to keep failures unspoken.

invalid CSRF

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Wow, what a counteroffensive!!!..

Sending firecrackers to residential complexes..

What a bunch of losers, LOL !!..

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Yahoo news= reliable source (especially over NY Times) Said no one since the 1990’s, if even then.

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when will the spring offensive start?" 

has it started?

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anything actually in the year 2023 though?

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Because it already started.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4034623-ukraines-counteroffensive-appears-to-have-started-heres-what-to-know/

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So, is this the 7th, or 8th 'possible start' to Zelensky's Spring Offense.

And does anyone think it will be any more effective than the previous ones?

PS, is it out of fashion now to continue to call it the 'Spring' one, because it used to be almost mandatory.

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Seems like a pretty well supported factual claim in the article. with photos and other evidence and analysis.

does something have to be new to be accurate?

my point is, when The NY Times is actually publishing this, you are losing control of your media.

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Counterfeit Offensive

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This isn't new. 

5 June 2023 isn’t new?

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Official message of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation just some time ago.

In the South-Donetsk direction, where the Ukrainians launched an offensive, the enemy was stopped by the efforts of the actions of the Vostok group, and did not achieve the assigned tasks. The attacking formations and military units of the AFU got significant damage. The total losses amounted to more than 1,500 Ukrainian soldiers, 28 tanks, including 8 german leopards, three french wheeled tanks and 109 armored fighting vehicles.

Voila! You can report to your taxpayers. You may believe or not believe. At least have a laugh:)

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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols-ukraine.html

US media seems to be turning on Ukraine.

oh wait, they just don’t know what those symbols mean. Yeah, that’s it!

What worries me, in the Ukrainian context, is that people in Ukraine who are in leadership positions, either they don’t or they’re not willing to acknowledge and understand how these symbols are viewed outside of Ukraine,” 

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