Russia criticized at U.N. over Ukraine conflict, Crimea, downing of Malaysia Airlines plane

Russia's Nebenzia called the conclusions "unfounded" and accused the Dutch-led investigation team of "manipulating the data from social networks whose reliability cannot be verified."

Considering Russia's well-documented use of social media manipulation in various countries across the globe, that statement is the height of irony.

I'm also surprised the UN didn't raise the issue of Russia's poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal.

A forensics tent covers the bench where Sergei and Yulia Skripal fell unconscious

LocationSalisbury, Wiltshire, EnglandDate4 March 2018TargetSergei Viktorovich Skripal

Yulia Sergeyevna SkripalWeaponsNovichok or family nerve agent[a][b]Victims3 hospitalised[c]Suspected perpetrators

Russian secret services

Sergei Skripal is a former Russian military officer and British spy who acted as a double agent for the UK's intelligence services during the 1990s and early 2000s, until his arrest in December 2004. On 4 March 2018, he and his daughter Yulia Skripal

We can all now look forward to a bracing morning wind blowing over us shortly!

Until Russia returns the Crimean Peninsula to Ukrainian control, U.S. sanctions related to the invasion of Crimea will continue," Haley said. "And until Russia pulls its forces out of eastern Ukraine and honors its Minsk commitments, our sanctions in response to its flagrant misconduct in the eastern part of the country will stay in place."

Good.

While I despise Nikki Haley I have to applaud her statement.

"What we're discussing today is Ukraine, and Crimea is part of Russia and it's about time this was accepted," Nebenzia said.

Only it won't be. The west will continue to add more sactions further destroying Russia's economy.

You have to love the silence of the trumpettes on this matter. Reagan spins once more in his grave... Along with the corpses of everyone who rose to the challenge of damning tyranny/communism in all its forms. Every one of you Trump sycophants, and you know who you are, enjoy your corporate tax rape of the USA as you lie to your children as to why you worship Putin and excuse his CCCP-style domination of local and global affairs. A pox on your cultivation of hate for honesty and forthright action. And, as a bonus, revel in your perversion as you explain why universal healthcare works for every civilized nation but the USA.

Of course none of this would have happened if it were not for the American orchestrated overthrow of the democratically elected government. And where is the condemnation of Ukraine for using its armed forces to attack its own citizens in the Donbass region where an estimated 2,839 civilians have died?

@Laguna

Considering Russia's well-documented use of social media manipulation in various countries across the globe, that statement is the height of irony

Considering complete failure of producing any hard proof of Russian use of social media manipulation in any countriy across the globe, that statement is the height of duplicity.

I'm also surprised the UN didn't raise the issue of Russia's poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal

I'm not surprised at all the UN didn't raise this issue, because any mentally sound adult can see how clumsily this British farce was executed. Two people, poisoned by the "most lethal nerve agent" are alive and well?? And this "Novichok" (sur-pri-i-ise!!) was well-researched and even reproduced by NATO countries, completely debunking the whole "only Russians have it" nonsense from Theresa Mayday-Mayday. By the way, even this not particularly bright character is conspicuously mum lately on the issue.

@Aly Rustom

The west will continue to add more sactions further destroying Russia's economy

Somebody is very out of touch with reality. Here is some information how the West "adds more sanctions":

https://japantoday.com/category/politics/putin-says-sanctions-cause-the-global-economy-to-suffer

Two G-7 leaders and the IMF chief at the St Petersburg International Economic Forum listen very attentievely to Putin after his meeting with the third G-7 leader, Merkel. Sanctions? Sure, sure. Keep pipe-dreaming.

@Hello Kitty 321

Of course none of this would have happened if it were not for the American orchestrated overthrow of the democratically elected government.

Exactly! Plus downing of the Malaysian plane by the Western-backed Kiev regime forces.

@theeastisred

We can all now look forward to a bracing morning wind blowing over us shortly!

Hope you're not disappointed. I'll try to keep you happy with my comments when patterns of Western propaganda duplicity against Russia, Japan, Syria etc manifest themselves again.

Maybe I'm an easy touch for a bare-chested guy on a horse, but I still have questions.

Where are the air traffic control recordings concerning the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17? I have vague memories of Italian air traffic controllers being fired after the incident after mentioning there was another plane involved. (Something to do with a military plane 'tracking' the Malaysia flight or perhaps using it for cover.) Anyway, I don't remember any other air accident investigation that didn't include air traffic control recordings.

How exactly did Russia invade or annex Crimea? My vague memory tells me there was a hastily arranged referendum and Crimea seceded from Ukraine. Self determination, etc.

We're fortunate that JT didn't follow the BBC's and other media's reporting of the assassination of an anti-Kremlin Russian journalist in Kiev yesterday. Especially as the guy turned up alive and well today.

They say that Russia has a mafia-styled political structure. Is it different anywhere else, except perhaps for the levels of money involved?

The Russians and the Trumpians have one thing in common: they both expect the rest of the world will somehow believe the lies that they are telling, and share their delusions.

Asakaze

The west will continue to add more sactions further destroying Russia's economy

Somebody is very out of touch with reality.

That would be you.

Here is some information how the West "adds more sanctions":

https://japantoday.com/category/politics/putin-says-sanctions-cause-the-global-economy-to-suffer

Two G-7 leaders and the IMF chief at the St Petersburg International Economic Forum listen very attentievely to Putin after his meeting with the third G-7 leader, Merkel. Sanctions? Sure, sure. Keep pipe-dreaming.

Even Russia and Putin's strongest supporter Peter Lavelle of Crosstalk has admitted MANY times that the sactions are taking effect. Good. Russia destroyed Syria. They deserve as many sactions as the west can throw at them.

@Aly Rustom

Even Russia and Putin's strongest supporter Peter Lavelle of Crosstalk has admitted MANY times that the sactions are taking effect

Yawn. Then keep waiting Russia to crumble under the mighty punch of Western sanctions. Meanwhile Russians built the Crimean bridge, they are building space rockets, nuclear icebreakers, Russia prevented Syria from following the tragic path of Libya, peace in Syria is not a distant future now But you keep waiting. Obama once declared Russian economy "in tatters", they can declare it again as many times as they want. Russia-haters expect the rest of the world will somehow believe the lies that they are telling, and share their delusions.

Yawn. Then keep waiting Russia to crumble under the mighty punch of Western sanctions. Meanwhile Russians built the Crimean bridge, they are building space rockets, nuclear icebreakers,

And they were doing that in the 1980s too. Didn't stop the fall of the soviet union.

Russia prevented Syria from following the tragic path of Libya,

Syria is far worse off than Libya. wake up.

peace in Syria is not a distant future now But you keep waiting.

Yeah. I'll keep waiting for the "peace in syria". LOL. I remember you saying after the fall of Aleppo that the war was nearly over. Still waiting. HAHA.

Obama once declared Russian economy "in tatters",

Putin doesn't even dare to declare that the Russian economy ISN'T "in tatters"; his own RT has admitted it.

they can declare it again as many times as they want.

You can declare it isn't as many times as you want.

Russia-haters expect the rest of the world will somehow believe the lies that they are telling, and share their delusions.

Same as RT

This time, sanctions on Russia are having the desired effect

The country’s integration in global finance has made it vulnerable

When the US imposed sanctions last week on 24 Russian oligarchs and officials, and 12 related companies, in response to “worldwide malign activity” by the Russian state, the impact was not immediately clear. But by Monday morning it was unmissable. The share prices of Rusal, one of the world’s largest producers of aluminium, and its parent company EN+ Group, both sanctioned for their material connection to Oleg Deripaska (also on the sanctions list), fell roughly 50 per cent. The wider Russian market was down 10 per cent. Those, such as commodity traders, transacting with designated companies found related payments blocked as banks reacted to the news. Clearstream, a key component of investment market infrastructure, announced it would stop processing related securities transactions.

Since Russia emerged from its debt crisis in 1998, its banks and corporates have benefited from globalisation. The former have tapped the deep capital markets in Europe and the US for funding, and corporates, particularly those from the extractive sector, have benefited from the global demand for commodities and have listed their shares in London, Hong Kong and New York. Russia has thus become integrated into global supply chains and global finance. But just as globalisation has benefited Russia, this integration presents a vulnerability if the markets in which these companies operate are turned against them.The recent history of banking is scarred by enforcement actions against an extensive roll-call of names. HSBC, Standard Chartered and many others have paid fines to settle claims that they breached US sanctions. In the case of BNP Paribas of as much as $8.9bn. Any bank that uses the dollar can find itself subject to the long-arm of US law enforcement. This extraterritorial reach is often criticised but, as long as it lasts, the US will exert pressure to conform with its priorities on any bank that wishes to have access to the American market or the dollar.The extent to which Russian banks, companies, oligarchs and officials are exposed to the dollar means that no bank, whether US-based or not, will want to risk handling funds that could bring unwelcome attention from American authorities. Guidance accompanying last week’s sanctions announcement played on this fear. It underlined that foreign persons are also covered by these new designations if they “knowingly facilitate significant transactions, including deceptive or structured transactions, for or on behalf of any person subject to US sanctions with respect to the Russian Federation, or their child, spouse, parent, or sibling”.

https://www.ft.com/content/cad69cf4-3e40-11e8-bcc8-cebcb81f1f90

Syria is far worse off than Libya. wake up.

Libya has desintegrated, they have no central government there, just roaming armed gangs and open slave markets. You want the same for Syria?

This time, sanctions on Russia are having the desired effect

No, they are not. The desired effect of the sanctions is to force Russia to capitulate, to change its policy. Have they achieved this result? No.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2017/07/06/sorry-senator-mccain-russia-no-longer-just-a-gas-station-masquerading-as-a-country/#69f915e22f09

But you are welcome to wait as much as you wish.

Libya has desintegrated, they have no central government there, just roaming armed gangs and open slave markets. You want the same for Syria?

Better than a government with a functioning army that's murdering its own people systematically backed by a regional power engaged in slaughter. Yes Libya is not the human crisis that Syria is.

No, they are not. The desired effect of the sanctions is to force Russia to capitulate, to change its policy.Have they achieved this result? No.

They will.

But you are welcome to wait as much as you wish.

And we will wait like we did during the cold war. The result: the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

History has shown us that the Russians can claim everything is going great til just before the collapse. We saw that with the USSR. We will see it again with Russia. Yes. We can wait. And we will win

@zichi

After the ending of the Cold War there was great hope in Europe that there would be peace between it and Russia

Yes, there was such hope. But then Western leaders betrayed it by enlarging NATO and encroaching to the Russian borders (in complete disregard to what they promised to Gorbachev). They lied, and now they are grappling with consequences.

@Aly Rustom

Better than a government with a functioning army

A LOT of Libyans and Syrians will not agree with you. A LOT.

We saw that with the USSR. We will see it again with Russia. Yes. We can wait. And we will win

I hope your self-motivating mantra did not blind you to the fact that the Western dominance is crumbling and the US is repeating the same mistakes that contributed so much to the demise of USSR ("imperial overstretch"). Anyway, keep waiting for the results of the sanctions. Keep in touch, we'll continue our discussion in several years.

A LOT of Libyans and Syrians will not agree with you. A LOT.

More will agree with me than disagree. That's why more than half the population of Syria has left or taken up arms against Assad.

I hope your self-motivating mantra did not blind you to the fact that the Western dominance is crumbling and the US is repeating the same mistakes that contributed so much to the demise of USSR ("imperial overstretch").

Russia is repeating the same mistake- its forces are active in Syria and Ukraine.

Anyway, keep waiting for the results of the sanctions. Keep in touch, we'll continue our discussion in several years.

I'll be here. Ready to tell you I told you so.

The only NATO countries sharing a border with Russia are Estonia and Latvia

Not correct, you forgot Poland and Lithuania (they border the Kaliningard region). And how would UK react if Russian military bases would appear in, for example, Ireland? Don't forget - the West lied big time when it promised not to enlarge.

Russia could also join NATO

Yes, it could, there was such idea back in 90s. NATO refused it. NATO needs an enemy as a reason for its existence.

Russia has one of its largest nuclear subs stationed there. The massive Typhoon-class sub called Dmitry Donskoy

False statement. This sub is not stationed there, she stationed in the Artcic. This sub visited the Baltic Sea once to take part in a military parade, where she came without any missiles.

Russia has 5,000 operational atomic warheads directed at Europe and America. Britain has 250. France has 300

You forgot about thousands of US nukes directed at Russia,

The Kremlin deployed advanced Iskander missiles to its Kaliningrad exclave on the Baltic Sea, within striking distance of large swathes of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia — all members of Nato

Yes, because they are NATO members now. Had not they joined NATO they would never have Iskanders on their borders. Russians learned the lesson from the Western big lie of 90s - never believe NATO sweet talk, always have a stick to bring NATO back to its senses.

And they were doing that in the 1980s too. Didn't stop the fall of the soviet union.

Wow! I'm not sure you should even be TRYING to have a debate on this situation with such an ridiculous comment.

You seem to be relying on your emotions to make a lot of your points.

And we will wait like we did during the cold war. The result: the dissolution of the Soviet Union. 

History has shown us that the Russians can claim everything is going great til just before the collapse. We saw that with the USSR. We will see it again with Russia. Yes. We can wait. And we will win

Who is "we"? You must have a lot of investments tied up into the Petrodollar and Sunni gas pipeline projects.

Wow! I'm not sure you should even be TRYING to have a debate on this situation with such an ridiculous comment.

Look who's talking. Do you actually have ANYTHING to contribute to this discussion or just troll?

You seem to be relying on your emotions to make a lot of your points.

You know what they say about ASSuming..

Who is "we"?

Anyone and everyone who didn't like communism.

You must have a lot of investments tied up into the Petrodollar and Sunni gas pipeline projects.

You must have a lot of investments tied up with Putin and Russian gas pipeline projects.

@Aly Rustom

More will agree with me than disagree. That's why more than half the population of Syria has left or taken up arms against Assad

I see. That's the reason government-controlled territory is widening and your friends lost Aleppo and Ghouta and are hidening only at Idlib and a couple of enclaves on the Jordanian border. Do you really believe that a civil war can be won by brutal force only? Read a book about Vietnam.

Russia is repeating the same mistake- its forces are active in Syria and Ukraine

Hazure. Compare the number of Russian troops in Syria with the nimber of US/NATO troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, on the ready around North Korea and Iran.

I'll be here. Ready to tell you I told you so

LOL! Western sanction are in place since 2014. Four years of Western impotence. You are so-o-o optimistic. Mantras help? Anyway, keep in touch.

@zichi

They are on American soil and not on the NATO border

But directed at Russia.

There are no American atomic warheads in Europe

Incirlic air force base (Turkey). And the US can bring any number of nukes to Europe in hours.

Russia has about 70 sub with most of them on or near to NATO borders

US / NATO have even more subs and bombers, very active near Russian borders.

I see. That's the reason government-controlled territory is widening and your friends lost Aleppo and Ghouta and are hidening only at Idlib and a couple of enclaves on the Jordanian border.

No. The reason is Assad has the Russian and Iranian Army AS WELL AS Hesbollah supporting him. THAT'S WHY.

Do you really believe that a civil war can be won by brutal force only? Read a book about Vietnam.

Tell that to Assad and Putin. And isn't THAT EXACTLY what YOU were saying when Aleppo fell. That the war was nearly over? And you were praising Russian force- now you want to flip and say that brutal force doesn't work?? LOL

Hazure. Compare the number of Russian troops in Syria with the nimber of US/NATO troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, on the ready around North Korea and Iran.

But Russia is still fighting on 2 fronts- and with the sactions, it won't hold on much longer.

LOL! Western sanction are in place since 2014. Four years of Western impotence.

Western sactions were in place in Iran MUCH earlier. It took awhile but they finally came to the table. Sactions do work and they will work on Russia

You are so-o-o optimistic. Mantras help?

No. You what does? Knowing history. Soviet propaganda was at its highest and most shrill duing the 80s. And seeing how people like you and RT News and the rest of the Russian propaganda machine is desperately trying to convince the west that its sactions don't work is not only proof that they do, but also that Russia is getting desperate- much like the USSR was just before its collapse.

Anyway, keep in touch.

I'll be here waiting for your reply.

No. The reason is Assad has the Russian and Iranian Army AS WELL AS Hesbollah supporting him. THAT'S WHY

And your friends have support of US, NATO, Saudi Arabia, Emirates, Israel and others. Didn't work, heh?

And isn't THAT EXACTLY what YOU were saying when Aleppo fell. That the war was nearly over

I did not say that "war nearly over". I said that the tide has turned and Assad would win. And you want to say after liberation of Aleppo and Eastern Ghouta that your friends are winning? Brilliant logic!

want to flip and say that brutal force doesn't work??

Bending my words again? I want to say that brutal force ONLY does not work, you have to give people something else. Assad gives people more then your friends, that's why he is winning, not because of twenty-something Russian bombers (hint - Vietnam).

But Russia is still fighting on 2 fronts- and with the sactions, it won't hold on much longer

One front, with very limited force. Ukraine? If you have any proof of Russian army fighting at Ukraine please share it with NATO intelligence, they are desperately looking for it.

Sactions do work and they will work on Russia

Keep waiting. You'll be very painfully disappoined though, just like with Syria.

I'll be here waiting for your reply

And you'll have it!

And your friends have support of US, NATO, Saudi Arabia, Emirates, Israel and others. Didn't work, heh?

Where are the NATO, Saudi Arabia, Emirates, Israel troops in Syria? Are you just making up facts as you go along? We know that there are lebanese, Iranian, and Russian Troops fighting on the ground in Syria.

I did not say that "war nearly over".

Yes you did. And I remember telling you that it wasn't. You seem to have selective memory.

I said that the tide has turned and Assad would win.

And he still hasn't.

And you want to say after liberation of Aleppo and Eastern Ghouta that your friends are winning? Brilliant logic!

What friends? I don't have friends who are fighting. My family are all refugees thanks to your country.

I want to say that brutal force ONLY does not work,

Which is why Assad will never win.

Assad gives people more then your friends

What exactly is he giving? Besides DEATH to civilians.

that's why he is winning, not because of twenty-something Russian bombers

He was losing the war until Russia stepped in. Those are FACTS. You are entitled to your own opinion but not entitled to your own facts.

Keep waiting. You'll be very painfully disappoined though, just like with Syria.

When Assad falls and he will, and when the menace that is Russia is finally brought to her knees a.nd forced to negociate to end sanctions, I hope you remember that.

Then you need to explain why. That is the point of the discussion board.

Where are the NATO, Saudi Arabia, Emirates, Israel troops in Syria?

Then who supplies "rebels" with NATO-issue weapons (such as TOW antitank missile launchers), advisers, who trains them? Who funds them? Who fires at Syrian air bases "Tomohawk" missiles?

And I remember telling you that it wasn't. You seem to have selective memory

All right, tell me when I said that. The archive of posts is open. You seem to have too lively imgination.

And he still hasn't

Then why Assad gains territory and his enemies lose? Who lost Aleppo, Eastern Ghouta? "You are entitled to your own opinion but not entitled to your own facts".

Which is why Assad will never win.

You are for a major disappointment.

What exactly is he giving?

Normal peaceful life?

When Assad falls and he will, and when the menace that is Russia is finally brought to her knees a.nd forced to negociate to end sanctions

The bigger your hopes, the more painful will be your disappointment. Be ready.

Then who supplies "rebels" with NATO-issue weapons (such as TOW antitank missile launchers), advisers, who trains them? Who funds them? Who fires at Syrian air bases "Tomohawk" missiles?

My question to you was Where are the NATO, Saudi Arabia, Emirates, Israel TROOPS in Syria?

Your forces are doing ALL of that and more. You fund the murderous regime- you supply them, and train them. AND you have troops there. The opposition is getting funded and supplied, BUT they are doing their own fighting. Something Assad cant.

Then why Assad gains territory and his enemies lose?

Because of YOUR country. No other reason.

Who lost Aleppo, Eastern Ghouta?

The war is still going on.

You are for a major disappointment.

When Assad falls I will not be disappointed.

Normal peaceful life?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

The bigger your hopes, the more painful will be your disappointment. Be ready

I will not be disappointed. Russia is already a shadow of what it was 10 years ago. In another 10 it will be bankrupt. And Assad will be gone. And Russia will have gained NOTHING except the hatred of the region.

Be ready.

Time to cry!

Your Sunni gas pipeline project was just angrily crumpled up and thrown in the trash.

Russia and Israel 'agree deal' to hold back Iranian militias so Assad can take border region

Russia and Israel have reportedly reached an unprecedented deal which would allow Bashar al-Assad’s forces to take remaining rebel territory in southern Syria - so long as Iranian fighters do not participate.

The agreement will be a massive blow for the rebels in southern Syria, who have received considerable money and arms from the US, as well as Israel.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/29/russia-israel-agree-deal-hold-back-iranian-militias-assad-prepares/

Time to cry!

> Your Sunni gas pipeline project was just angrily crumpled up and thrown in the trash.

> Russia and Israel 'agree deal' to hold back Iranian militias so Assad can take border region

Your post makes ABSOLUTELY no sense.

First Why would Iranian militias need to be held back so that Assad can take ANYTHING??? The Iranians are on Assad's side!

Your post is absolutely bizzare.

the West lied big time when it promised not to enlarge.

A beaut of a Putin myth that you swallowed 'big time; No promises were ever made. Czech, Poland and Hungary naturally wanted to be more closely integrated with western Europe than with the nation under whose impoverished boot they spent the previous half century. To deny them membership would have meant that the cold war lines still existed. Sovereign nations have the right to choose their own destiny, even if it upsets your feelings. You might have stolen Crimea and shot down passenger planes for fun, but good luck with trying to steal any more of your empire back.

ClippetyClop

Well said brother!

Let's see...who to believe...Aly & Clippyclop, or Transport Minister of Malaysia - Entoni Lok, who has actually looked at the evidence?

Transport Minister of Malaysia - Entoni Lok - said his country does not see that there is any convincing evidence that Russia is responsible for the collapse of its passenger plane in August 2014 over Donbass.

He added: "No, there is no convincing evidence that would make Russia responsible for the tragedy of Boeing Malaysia Airlines . We do not see such evidence so far in what the international investigation team came to be. "

He added: "On the basis of everything that has come to date it can not be argued that Russia is guilty of this catastrophe."

Let's see...who to believe...Aly & Clippyclop, or Transport Minister of Malaysia - Entoni Lok, who has actually looked at the evidence?

Let's see...who to believe...Fizzbit & The transport minister of Malaysia or The United Nations - Since they, not us, are the ones who accuse Russia of downing the plane. The two of us have not even mentioned the plane in our posts. Goes to show how little your posts ever contribute to the discussion.

Although in your defense he did mention once the downing of passenger planes without specifying which one he actually meant.

But still, read the article. It is the United Nations, not the two of us, who accuse Russia of downing the plane.